Ubenedictus: and i miss an opportunity to burn ur a$s a little.

Ubenedictus:
Good explanation, never knew u praticed traditional religion, maybe you can help me with my study of ifa. Wha'd ya say?

Lol!!!

Pagan 9ja is your sure bet! He is vast in the 'art' I must say.

striktlymi:


Lol!!!
Pagan 9ja is your sure bet! He is vast in the 'art' I must say.

i opened a thread last year on ifa and ifa philosophy and even went as far as telling atheist and d fire and brimestone xtians to back off, imagine my suprise when the trado worshippers who go about xtian threads just didn't show up! I had to milk out Pastor aio but i think d time factor was a problem. He didnt have d time to respond. And somehow all the pagans were absent!

Ubenedictus: i opened a thread last year on ifa and ifa philosophy and even went as far as telling atheist and d fire and brimestone xtians to back off, imagine my suprise when the trado worshippers who go about xtian threads just didn't show up! I had to milk out Pastor aio but i think d time factor was a problem. He didnt have d time to respond. And somehow all the pagans were absent!

LWKMD!!!

I can just imagine! Where are the 'wise guys' when you need them?

striktlymi:

LWKMD!!!

I can just imagine! Where are the 'wise guys' when you need them?

just as the magician disappear when you need them. I was like wow! It is hard to check a whole topic without finding a pagan telling us about our beautiful religion and slavery to western God, now time to talk about d african concept and wise ones and magicians disappears together.

Ubenedictus: just as the magician disappear when you need them. I was like wow! It is hard to check a whole topic without finding a pagan telling us about our beautiful religion and slavery to western God, now time to talk about d african concept and wise ones and magicians disappears together.

Lol!!!

I believe pagan nja would oblige you this time around

striktlymi: Good evening Pagan,








I don't know the particular 'brand' of pagan religion (May be you can help out here). All I know is that we had this river 'goddess' called 'Ise' who we go to worship at specific periods.

Good day,

ok wait, i Remember. you follow Afemai Religion.
Ok so you used to worship River spirits. does that mean you never went to church? that you were purely Pagan?

Yes, I was born into it and practiced it too. Actually, my grand dad (Fathers side) was a high chief in our village and a respected 'traditionalist' and 'seer' while my grand dad (mothers side) was the Okumagbe (King) of Weppa and Uwanno who also was a 'strong man'. You can say, paganism ran in the family.

ok great. so what prompted you to accept man-worship and leave traditional Spirituality?

Ubenedictus: i opened a thread last year on ifa and ifa philosophy and even went as far as telling atheist and d fire and brimestone xtians to back off, imagine my suprise when the trado worshippers who go about xtian threads just didn't show up! I had to milk out Pastor aio but i think d time factor was a problem. He didnt have d time to respond. And somehow all the pagans were absent!

I am sorry brother. I probably didnt notice your thread. Also I am a follower of Hausa religion. My knowledge of Ifa Orisha, though vast, is not in-depth. Howeever if you need me to draw parallels with Universal Pagan Religions, certian explanations,etc., I can do.

THis was why our brother stryktlymi here immediately refused to help you in this matter. He too follows( followed/eternally confused (?) ) a different Pagan religion and probably doesnt have much indepth knowledge of Ifa Orisha as me. We dont even speak that language. You must catch a Yoruba speaking Pagan worshipper for that.

PAGAN 9JA:


Good day,

ok wait, i Remember. you follow Afemai Religion.
Ok so you used to worship River spirits. does that mean you never went to church? that you were purely Pagan?

Purely pagan when my grand dad was still around!

PAGAN 9JA:

ok great. so what prompted you to accept man-wordhip and leave traditional Spirituality?

Well I will leave out the details but it started with jealousy and envy which lead to the wrong use of some 'spiritual powers'; and also some personal encounters with some 'good forces' were involved.

striktlymi:

Purely pagan when my grand dad was still around!





Well I will leave out the details but it started with jealousy and envy which lead to the wrong use of some 'spiritual powers'; and also some personal encounters with some 'good forces' were involved.

what about your parents, brothers,sisters,etc.

thats strange. ok so you think you can survive alone at the whim of good forces? you think that will make you a soft teddybear? wake up! Learn to recognise both the Forces. neither can exist without the other. do you know that bad forces can be used for the right cause as well?

PAGAN 9JA:


what about your parents, brothers,sisters,etc.

Parents started out as pagans...for brothers and sisters: some started as pagans while some came along when my parents embraced Christianity. Though some of my relatives are still pagans.

PAGAN 9JA:

thats strange.

Yea strange! I have seen a lot of strange things that puts 'logic' to shame.

PAGAN 9JA:

ok so you think you can survive alone at the whim of good forces?

I am never alone!

PAGAN 9JA:

you think that will make you a soft teddybear?

LWKMD!!! Nah...even now I am still a stubborn and tough nut!

PAGAN 9JA:

wake up! Learn to recognise both the Forces. neither can exist without the other. do you know that bad forces can be used for the right cause as well?

I am up! I know for a fact that both forces exists. I have witnessed both first hand! I also know for a fact that it is very possible to be pagan and be good. I believe firmly that honest sincere and good pagans who are good in line with right conscience can make heaven too without being Christians. God has changed my path and I am following him on this path he has led me to. I consider it a privilege.

striktlymi: . . . . my grand dad (mothers side) was the Okumagbe (King) of Weppa and Uwanno who also was a 'strong man'. You can say, paganism ran in the family.

[Digression] The bolded takes me back some 20 odd years!!!! Litigation involving parties including the Okpegbulagbe (sp?) of Okpella and the Okumagbe of Wepa-Wano![/Digression]

PAGAN 9JA:


Good day,

ok wait, i Remember. you follow Afemai Religion.
Ok so you used to worship River spirits. does that mean you never went to church? that you were purely Pagan?



ok great. so what prompted you to accept man-worship and leave traditional Spirituality?

wow! i know d tradition too. ise is indigenous to d agenebode people. some people in my extended family knew d godess lady and served her according to history.

PAGAN 9JA:


I am sorry brother. I probably didnt notice your thread. Also I am a follower of Hausa religion. My knowledge of Ifa Orisha, though vast, is not in-depth. Howeever if you need me to draw parallels with Universal Pagan Religions, certian explanations,etc., I can do.

THis was why our brother stryktlymi here immediately refused to help you in this matter. He too follows( followed/eternally confused (?) ) a different Pagan religion and probably doesnt have much indepth knowledge of Ifa Orisha as me. We dont even speak that language. You must catch a Yoruba speaking Pagan worshipper for that.

i figured, ise is actualy around my place of origin

Enigma:

[Digression] The bolded takes me back some 20 odd years!!!! Litigation involving parties including the Okpegbulagbe (sp?) of Okpella and the Okumagbe of Wepa-Wano![/Digression]

u knlw all d storiez

Ubenedictus: wow! i know d tradition too. ise is indigenous to d agenebode people. some people in my extended family knew d godess lady and served her according to history.

Really?? Wow!!! Small world! She is still worshipped to this very day.

striktlymi:

Really?? Wow!!! Small world! She is still worshipped to this very day.

i'm aware. i still know people who did and "children born of ise".

Ubenedictus: u knlw all d storiez

Bros, na wa oh! It's a long time ago now . . . . .

Ubenedictus: i'm aware. i still know people who did and "children born of ise".

K, cool!

striktlymi: Good evening Pagan,








I don't know the particular 'brand' of pagan religion (May be you can help out here). All I know is that we had this river 'goddess' called 'Ise' who we go to worship at specific periods.




Yes, I was born into it and practiced it too. Actually, my grand dad (Fathers side) was a high chief in our village and a respected 'traditionalist' and 'seer' while my grand dad (mothers side) was the Okumagbe (King) of Weppa and Uwanno who also was a 'strong man'. You can say, paganism ran in the family.

really

striktlymi:

Parents started out as pagans...for brothers and sisters: some started as pagans while some came along when my parents embraced Christianity. Though some of my relatives are still pagans.



Yea strange! I have seen a lot of strange things that puts 'logic' to shame.



I am never alone!



LWKMD!!! Nah...even now I am still a stubborn and tough nut!



I am up! I know for a fact that both forces exists. I have witnessed both first hand! I also know for a fact that it is very possible to be pagan and be good. I believe firmly that honest sincere and good pagans who are good in line with right conscience can make heaven too without being Christians. God has changed my path and I am following him on this path he has led me to. I consider it a privilege.

ok now you are confusing me. you behave like a Pagan and are xtian. its ok. i wont convince you further. you have a Pagan mindset. when you feel like it, you will yourself revert to Trad. Religion.

just dont let your culture and your ppls beliefs die. you could still do all the rituals ,etc for namesake just to keep it alive and as Tribal Duty. Many people in Asia,for example, do that.

Tribal culture, ideolgy and religion all depend on each other for survival.

do you known even the Grand Shrine of Goddess Amaterasu, in Japan, is known as Ise ?

for some reason, there are so many Japanese words in South Nigerian Languages. it is strange.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise_Grand_Shrine

Ubenedictus: really

Yep!

PAGAN 9JA:


ok now you are confusing me. you behave like a Pagan and are xtian. its ok. i wont convince you further. you have a Pagan mindset. when you feel like it, you will yourself revert to Trad. Religion.

Hmmm...

PAGAN 9JA:

just dont let your culture and your ppls beliefs die. you could still do all the rituals ,etc for namesake just to keep it alive and as Tribal Duty. Many people in Asia,for example, do that.

Tribal culture, ideolgy and religion all depend on each other for survival.

The knowledge of tradition will always be one of my core values but I might not practice it the way my fathers did.

PAGAN 9JA:
do you known even the Grand Shrine of Goddess Amaterasu, in Japan, is known as Ise ?

for some reason, there are so many Japanese words in South Nigerian Languages. it is strange.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise_Grand_Shrine

Now this one is new to me!

Oga striktlymi,

Happy weekend.

I have a few questions. Permit to start with this first;

What, if any, are the similarities and differences between Christianity and paganism?

musKeeto: Oga striktlymi,

Happy weekend.

I have a few questions. Permit to start with this first;

What, if any, are the similarities and differences between Christianity and paganism?

The boss don show!!! I throway salute sir!

Well from my experience, some of the notable similarities would be:

1) Belief in and worship of 'deities'.
2) 'Structured' moral code for good and evil.
3) Belief in life after death.

Let's make do with those 3 to make it simple.

Some notable differences would be:

1) Christianity only accepts one deity as good and supreme while the others are evil. Pagans accept one supreme deity who approves of and work together with other lesser deities.

2) The Christian is more concerned about punishment in the life after while the pagan is more concerned about punishment in the present life for a life of 'sin'.

3) Reward is heaven for the Christian but the pagan believes in joining the ancestors in dignity.

Note that these might be different for some other pagan.

Alfamann: There must be something wrong somewhere because striktlymi is one of the most illogical characters I have seen on nairaland. He is no atheist and actually well represents christianity in its glory of hypocrisy and false modesty.
His only quality is that he can congugate a few understandable sentences despite being a christian, and that's saying a lot.
He always starts with the false greetings which no one asked for, and which nobody needs but which in his christian head, he finds necessary to impose on the rest of us.
He dodges questions with the oldest trick in the book: answering a question with a question. It is not logic. It is "christian intelligence".
Now that this thread was about to open his nyash, he wants it all hush hush. Private pm. Personal matter.
You mr striktlymi, are a hypocrite.
Your useless greetings don't impress me.

LOOOOOL wahala dey for Nairaland o!

striktlymi:
Disappointed!

Your opinion!! Your right!!!

striktlymi:

Don't flatter yourself!

Your opinion!! your right!!!

Alfamann: There must be something wrong somewhere because striktlymi is one of the most illogical characters I have seen on nairaland. He is no atheist and actually well represents christianity in its glory of hypocrisy and false modesty.
His only quality is that he can congugate a few understandable sentences despite being a christian, and that's saying a lot.
He always starts with the false greetings which no one asked for, and which nobody needs but which in his christian head, he finds necessary to impose on the rest of us.
He dodges questions with the oldest trick in the book: answering a question with a question. It is not logic. It is "christian intelligence".
Now that this thread was about to open his nyash, he wants it all hush hush. Private pm. Personal matter.
You mr striktlymi, are a hypocrite.
Your useless greetings don't impress me.

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aooourgh! #yawns while scrolling down the thread# why am i attracted to this thread?
...pagan- christianity...ugh!
OMG seems like i just hit a sensitive note.
I guess this thread may just be the deal breaker ugh.
Bring it on!
Buaahahahahahaha

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