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House Of God Or "Den Of Robbers"? - Part 2 added . by Nobody: 11:51am On Mar 12, 2013
"And he taught, and said unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations? but ye have made it a den of robbers." - Matthew 21:13

The "church" building was arguably one of the greatest mistakes Christianity fell into. The typical "church" spends 96.5% of what comes in on overhead which includes a hired pastor, mortgage or rent, upkeep, advertising, carpet, electronics, and other furnishings. It also makes sure the average Joe Christian gets a weekly "shakedown" to support the thing as the plate goes by.

Since "churches' and their organizations are always in "need", fundraising and other means of what Paul called "extortion" are used to generate additional cash flow. If you doubt this, send a dollar to several TV or radio ministries and see if you start getting regular requests for more money. We heard pastors complain "only 25% of the members tithe' as they imagined the financial bliss the church would enjoy if all did so.

We ourselves participated in countless fundraisers over the years such as chicken dinners, selling peanut brittle door to door, portrait sales, enchilada sales, valentine sales, bake auctions, raffles, multi-level marketing schemes, barbecues, church yard sales, tapes, cd's, car washes, halloween youth carnivals, and more that I cannot recall. Ask the typical church tamale fundraiser sellor what the money is for and they will answer "it's for the church".

These are the ministries that build their kingdoms on sand (Gods' people).

Most of the proceeds went to fund youth trips, church building repairs, the expense of visiting ministers, or on a rare occasion help someone with a medical need, but most was absorbed by the routine of running the church. (In our church, the pastor collected 100% of the tithes which was never accounted for, and they also administered the general fund). Records were kept of member giving but the pastors giving was never disclosed, neither was the amount of tithe he collected.

You would be "Hurricane-Iked" to realize and know how many "churches" are run by a pastor who administers both a tithe account and a separate General Fund account. This is ESPECIALLY true in the Charismatic/Pentecostal/ Spirit-Filled/ and many Independent churches. Many with boards are no better because they are dominated by a strong-man pastor who appoints favored people to the board. Ours had the pastors own brother appointed to the church board.

What happens is the financial lines of distinction are blurred between the various church accounts.

Pastor needs a home computer for "church business", so the General Fund pays. Pastor eating dinner at a fine restaurant and meeting with a prominent family or a visiting minister out of town becomes a General Fund expense, never mind the Tithe Account is for his living expense. So we have travel, meals, hotels, and many like expenses paid for from the General Fund. Meanwhile, the supportive and loyal folks sell peanut brittle, raffle tickets, and/or sacrifice in their giving to the General Fund AFTER they already gave their "mandatory" "in covenant" tithe of 10%

Don't think we are disgruntled "murmerers, we saw this kind of stuff over the years but were blinded by love and loyalty to those who were also blinded to their plundering of the flock. Read what Paul told the "overseers" (bishops) of Ephesus: Pauls Leadership Conference.

This man was disfellowshipped for questioning the tithe and how it was used in Northern Calif. Very interesting story and typical of the modern church. Hydesville

One year my wife and I took over the General Fund management, only to find we were thousands in debt and behind on a large stack of bills. We found we were hundreds and hundreds of dollars in debt to some of the local restaurants (pastoral meals, and for visiting ministers), the floral shop (flowers for funerals and gifts), grocery stores (where the "church" charged groceries (we never knew to whom), and other places. We brought our corporate financial mess to the church body, and in a few months the Lord helped us to retire all the debt we had been saddled with.

Later, as the church prospered, visiting preachers were entertained lavishly; air fares and travel expenses, golf, restaurant meals; $1,000 "honorarium"s were paid for a Sunday Sermon. As we were staff, we also partook of some of those meals, golf games, and cushy perks.

Another time we attended a James Robison fundraiser at the Hyatt Regency in San Francisco. Because we knew someone on Mr. Robison's staff, a suite at the Hyatt was offerred to us if we wanted to enjoy ourselves there. (We declined). If I recall, that one evening at the Hyatt brought in over $50,000 to Life Outreach.
(James Robison receives an annual salary from Life Outreach International of $159,000 and Betty Robison receives $128,000, they also receive standard benefits. -Wikipedia)

Once a church reaches 100-200 members, it is typical for the ministerial lifestyle to also go to the "next level". From what we observed in our own assembly and that of numerous visiting ministers, some of whom we became friends with, there is a very different lifestyle being lived than most people imagine. Being church insiders, we saw nothing wrong with the odd hours, frequent vacations, and regular meals at restaurants (3x a day in some cases) lived as a ministerial lifestyle. It was all part of church life and we just attributed these things to be Gods' blessings and normal Christianity.

How wrong we were.

There is not a single verse in the New Testament instructing any minister to take tithes, nor a single verse instructing any church or Christian to tithe in the New Testament.

Furthermore, there is not a single verse authorizing any pastor to take a tithe from anyone, (nor a salary for that matter).

Tithing was never said to be "a starting place" for our giving, any Christian who puts a tithe in the Sunday plate has been deceived into doing so and is missing the blessing of allowing the Holy Spirit to tell them how much and to whom they should give.

All of the above stories, (and we saw them and many more for 24 years), are true and a witness to the corruption of the leadership in Christianity that have been deceived into believing that "gain is godliness", -(gain i.e., as a sign of blessing).

Teaching the poor and needy brethren they must tithe is robbery and extortion. We were supposed to be helping them in their need, not funding the organization, but most Christians are trained to feed the offering plate, not the poor..
2Cor 9:9 As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.

The average church sees the poor as an annoyance. They are passed off as quickly as possible to the "Food Pantry" deacon, the "Benevloent Fund" minister, or to one of the local institutions serving the poor such as The Salvation Army or HomelessShelter. But in New Testament scripture, giving went to meet the needs of the poor and needy brethren, not buildings, not affluent preachers, or their organizations. As church goers, we were taught, conditioned, and brainwashed into giving first to the weekly plate that was passed around.

A corrupted clergy seeks to build their ministry and organization on a membership of middle class substance. When a visiting well-to-do rancher or business owner was seen out in the sanctuary, the excitement level and hopeful anticipation of "winning" those people to our church was tangible to the leader.

The poor and needy are fortunate to have their call returned by the busy pastor-administrator in stark contrast by the smiles and glad-handing shown to people of means. The favor and attention given to the "quality* people" types does violence to what scripture says "have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ with respect of persons".

*quality people were defined as business people, corporate executive types, successful working people.

God have mercy on us.

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Re: House Of God Or "Den Of Robbers"? - Part 2 added . by Omexonomy: 12:02pm On Mar 12, 2013
Seriously, To some extent you might be right. You might also greatly be wrong.
Re: House Of God Or "Den Of Robbers"? - Part 2 added . by PastorKun(m): 12:45pm On Mar 12, 2013
Nice article, keep up the good work frosbel.
Re: House Of God Or "Den Of Robbers"? - Part 2 added . by Goshen360(m): 1:45pm On Mar 12, 2013
@ Frosbel, Great article. God bless you.

@ Omexonomy, How do you mean he could be 'greatly' wrong? The man and his wife mentioned in the article, I know them very well on their T.V ministry. Since, I've watching them, they ALWAYS ask for money to go to Africa and give them water in Africa. They've been airing same place in Africa since I knew them and portraying Africa as a very bad place. I'm not saying there aren't places like they air on T.V but airing SAME place to seek for money is simply suspicious. If in deed, they are making progress, there should be an update of event being aired on T.V

Two, The article is VERY accurate. I presently have ministries that writes me asking for money on a weekly basis. One of them, I bought a study material from them and the next things I begin to get in the mail is asking for financial support. Some even ask for money to go give to Israel and many more. These are the things going in the body of Christ today and it's not like anyone telling me, I experience this things myself. Scripture is being fulfilled in our eyes - false men have hijacked the the church and they must be contended with.
Re: House Of God Or "Den Of Robbers"? - Part 2 added . by Nobody: 2:39pm On Mar 12, 2013
Wolves in sheep clothing.
Re: House Of God Or "Den Of Robbers"? - Part 2 added . by Nobody: 9:12pm On Mar 12, 2013
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge

"For this cause many are sick and weakly among you.."


These speak to the modern church but most will not recognize the meaning even though the destruction is right in front of their very own eyes. HOW are Gods' people being destroyed and what knowledge do they lack? If you will stay with me and read the amazing words of scripture that apply, your view of Gods' kingdom will change as you repent.

While we were "in church", at the end of service, most of us were far more interested in getting over to a restaurant and fellowship with other church families than fooling around with some needy man or woman hanging around after service trying to get help. We would quickly brush them off by giving them a phone number to call, passing them off to the Financial Minister, or the couple in charge of the Food Pantry.

Since we had just paid our tithes and and offering, duty was fulfilled, and we wanted to go on our way. We were way more interested in growing church membership, improving the building, fundraising, and expanding our influence in the community than we were in getting our hands dirty with the poor.

Yes, once a year or more, we delivered some Thanksgiving turkeys and Christmas packages out of our benevolence, but as any honest preacher or staff member will admit, the bulk of church income went to the overhead and support of a minister as we were trained to fill the offering plate rather than hungry mouths.

Church people are well trained to follow this manner of supporting their assembly. The leadership measures their spirituality by the degree they are involved and their financial support. The poor and needy among us were marginalized for their inability to fund our "vision" and for their lack of attractiveness in appearance.

Gods' people (the poor) were destroyed by our "vision" and the two-edged sword of Scripture saw to it that many among us were "weak and sickly" because we did not discern the Lord's Body. Funding the organization is robbing God, not, as many teach, witholding tithes.

1Cor 11: 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not?

Can you see the "destroyed" here are the ones giving to "the church" rather than ministering to the needy?

Do you a connection between the "weak and sickly" in church and our treatment of "them that have not"? Our church told the poor to tithe and give (to our church preferably as the reminder was usually given at the "offering" time as the plates were passed) in order to be blessed.

Here's one you won't hear at offering time in the typical American church:
2Cor 8:14 ..but by equality: your abundance being a supply at this present time for their want, that their abundance also may become a supply for your want; that there may be equality:

"Equality" among the brethren? Do you mean we are called to share our "blessings" and "prosperity" with needy brethren? In the New Testament church, giving went to meet needs not to buildings, organizations, and personal kingdoms called "ministries". Perhaps someone could kindly "share" this with Ken Copeland, Paula and Randy, Brother Joel Osteen, Creflo Dollar, and a few others that missed that verse in their morning devotions as they made their way aboard their personal jet...

The problem is this materialistic, flesh-pleasing gospel has been broadcast around the world by satellite and has corrupted much of the evangelical leadership around the world.

Jesus said this: Mk. 14:7 For ye have the poor always with you, and whensoever ye will ye can do them good

God help us to do so:
2Cor 9:9 as it is written, He hath scattered abroad, he hath given to the poor; His righteousness abideth for ever. (giving to the poor equated with righteousness)

Daniel 4:27 Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by showing mercy to the poor; if there may be a lengthening of thy tranquillity. Do you see it? ministering to the poor had to do with overcoming sin and iniquity. Kind of like the verse that says "charity covers a multitude of sins".

Mat 19: 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. give to who?
Gal.2:10 only they would that we should remember the poor; which very thing I was also zealous to do. Paul was instructed by the apostles James, Peter, and John to remember who?

James 2: 5 Hearken, my beloved brethren; did not God choose them that are poor as to the world to be rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he promised to them that love him?
6 But ye have *dishonored (despised) the poor man. *From G820; ἀτιμαìζω atimazō (by implication) contemn or maltreat: - despise, dishonour, suffer shame, entreat shamefully.

James 2:2-6 should be very convicting to the average church goer and Armani suited "leader' as we focused on the nicer dressed and appearing folks who visited our churches.

More from scripture:
Psalm 41: 1 1 For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. Blessed is he that considereth the poor: Jehovah will deliver him in the day of evil. Did you ever hear a song in church about that?

Psalm 112: 9 He hath dispersed, he hath given to the needy; His righteousness endureth for ever:

Prov. 14: 31 He that oppresseth the poor (ex. pay your tithes) reproacheth his Maker; But he that hath mercy on the needy honoreth him.
19:17 He that hath pity upon the poor lendeth unto Jehovah, And his good deed will he pay him again.
28:27 He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack; But he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

Dan. 4:27 Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable unto thee, and break off thy sins by righteousness, and thine iniquities by showing mercy to the poor;
2Cor 9 9 as it is written, He hath scattered abroad, he hath given to the poor; His righteousness abideth for ever.
Rev. 19:8 8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.


Have you made the connection between giving to the poor and "righteous acts" of the saints? When is the last time you heard a sermon on this subject? We heard PLENTY of exhortations to tithe, give , and "sow seed" into someones ministry, LOTS of them, how about you? We heard messages on prosperity and having abundance, we heard the 30/60/100 fold blessing was for material wealth God wanted us to have. But we never heard the truth about ministering to the poor and needy among us was near and dear to the heart of God.

Meeting needs among the brethren was a God priority all along, not in buying the comfortable pews, sound system, cameras and big-screen monitors, or funding the pastors latest and newest "vision for the kingdom" which resulted in one failed church growth program after another and the wasting of huge amounts of time and finances.

Why not give that un-necessary "church" building away and meet in homes like they did in Acts? Can you imagine? -no overhead, no need for administration, no need for fundraisers, and the people benefit by closer relationships, fellowship, and growth Why not just flat admit to God we have been so terribly wrong in the way we have conducted church?

Scripture never says we were to tithe or give to pastors and if they mis-spent it God would punish them. WE are called to be stewards, may God Himself direct our stewardship for we have mismanged terribly both as individuals and as corporate bodies called churches.
"For this cause, many are weak and sickly among you... (Christians, that is.) ....".

Maybe you will forward this to others, I pray it gets into the hands and heart of many pastors. I pray it gets into our hearts as well. Radical thoughts I admit, but then again, look what happened in Acts.....
As Gods' judgement continues to fall on our financial system, many in the church will learn what was in the scripture all along, and we will share and meet others needs out of our personal storehouses.

In January 2008 the Lord gave me this Word: ( http://www.l.b5z.net/weekly_blog/?y=2008&m=1)
"Because my people have not used my blessings of abundance to meet the needs of their brethren, they will learn to meet the needs of others from the little they have left. When they had much, they gave little, and that into the hands of those who decieved them.
Now I will fill their world and their eyes with those in need and thus will they be purified of their greed."

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