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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 7:35pm On Mar 28, 2013
feelamong: At times it seems like you are preaching when you tell people to take time and study the market and coys they are investing in...Manie has said it all!

For anyone to make money in any endeavour, it takes time and energy! you also have to be patience!

I have made money and also losses in the market but in all I have made more money than losses! Just a few of months ago.. I bought Diamond bank at N1.99, sterling at 0.99k and UBA at N2.

I intend to hold these stocks for the next five years at least before i start selling for a start up...

The less people that understand the market.. the better for us!! no wonder its so diff to make the kind of money we make in the NSE in the LSE!



Investors with multiple streams of income benefited immensely from the stock market meltdown. They kept on accumulating shares on the exchange at ridiculously low prices. Some people have made 300% returns on UBA within 24 months.

Investors who bought when the market was doing badly, will definitely get a higher dividend yield.

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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 7:41pm On Mar 28, 2013
9ja4eva:


Any idea on good stock broking firms for those of us in Diaspora? I bought shares in 2003 ,and even though i don't understand the statement, i like what i am seeing. I won't mind investing more if i get a good company sha.

Thanks for the insight. Very informative thread.



FSDH Securities, IBTC Securities, UBA Stock brokers, Marina securities, Vetiva , Afrinvest

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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 7:51pm On Mar 28, 2013
manie:



Investors with multiple streams of income benefited immensely from the stock market meltdown. They kept on accumulating shares on the exchange at ridiculously low prices. Some people have made 300% returns on UBA within 24 months.

Investors who bought when the market was doing badly, will definitely get a higher dividend yield.


I asked an investor who committed a substantial sum into stocks when the All Share Index went down to around 20,000, why he was still investing heavily on blue chip stocks.

He said if his house was valued at 100 million 2 years ago and was generating a rent of 8 million Naira, now the house is values at 70 million and generating a rent of the same 8 million Naira. What will I do as an investor if I still have money to invest. I said I will buy more houses, he said that was what he was doing.

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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Omexonomy: 10:28am On Mar 29, 2013
manie:


The performance of UPDC since it was quoted is not too encouraging. May be when they start building housing units of 15 million naira and below, which will be affordable to the working class then I may increase my shareholding.
you are not saying no but you are saying not now.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 10:47am On Apr 02, 2013
Omexonomy: you are not saying no but you are saying not now.


UPDC was listed about 13 years ago at N5.00k, yet the stock is still selling less than N20.00k. Compared to UACN and CAP and some other companies in the UACN, i don't think the performance of UPDC is fantastic.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Peterwins(m): 5:36pm On Apr 03, 2013
dominion247:
1 - to make my money grow and retain its value
2 - employed
3 - single. no kids yet. 27
4 - not an extremist.
5 - very liquid
6 - monthly
7 - monthly
8 - 20 - 30%
10 - very safe
11 - only at weekends
12 - very healthy

Thanks. kindly revert back promptly.

Warm regards

1 - to make my money grow and retain its value

A generic answer. You need to be specific to measure your level of success or failure. How do you know when you attain (achieve) your investment goals and objectives. Your investment goals and objectives must be measurable.

2 - employed

Good. You do not need your investments to take care of your basic (daily) needs. Consider medium to long term investments.

3 - single. no kids yet. 27

Freedom and less responsibility. Consider investment in equities (stocks), though less safer than fixed income investments (bonds, treasury bills, etc). A young person should not be afraid of taking "calculated" risks but please do not invest in Ponzi/Pyramid schemes. Get a reliable and reputable stock broking firm to start your investments in the Nigeria Stock Exchange (market). Furthermore do not invest in only one sub sector (industry) of the NSE. Split (diversify) your investments in the NSE into at least four (4) sub-sectors of your choice like:

a)Financial services (banking stocks). GTB, FBN Holdings, Stanbic IBTC Holdings are my recommended stocks to start with for now as a starter. Others are okay but start with these for now.

b) Household products. Unilever and PZ stocks.

c) Healthcare. Glaxo Smithkline stocks.

d) Food products. Cadbury stocks. Nestle is also a good stock but too high for now.

Capital gain, dividends, bonuses and liquidity are some of the advantages of investing in equities (stocks). By the time you are 40 (in 13 years time) your consistent and wise investments in the NSE could make you a multi-millionaire. Remember you can use your investments in the NSE to create, store and transfer wealth.

4 - not an extremist.

Alright. In addition to (3) above, you can purchase Guinness Nig and Nig. Breweries stocks.

5 - very liquid

Then consider monthly fixed deposit with low yield (interest) of less than 10% per annun. Your over 400k "investment" at the bank was very liquid. However you can consider Treasury Bills : https://www.nairaland.com/878880/treasury-bills-nigeria

6 - monthly

Consider monthly fixed deposit or treasury bills.

7 - monthly

Consider monthly fixed deposit or treasury bills.

8 - 20 - 30%

FGN bonds can get you about 16% per annun but it is a long term investment.

10 - very safe

Try fixed deposit, treasury bills or FGN bonds.

11 - only at weekends

Use your weekends to learn additional financial and business (entrepreneurial) skills.

12 - very healthy

Health is wealth. Continue to adopt a healthy lifestyle to enjoy the dividends of your investment.

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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Nobody: 2:15pm On Apr 04, 2013
@ peterwins, Many Thanks cheesy luv u! kiss
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 12:54pm On Apr 15, 2013
Okomu Oil sold for less than N5, in 2004.

100k will buy 20,000 units.

A bonus of 1 for 2 was declared some few years ago. this will make the 20,000 units to grow to 30,000 units.

Okomu closed at 104 on 12th April 2013.

30,000 units of Okomu will be worth over 3 Million Naira.

Dividend of 135k was received in 2012, and a dividend of 189k will be received in 2013.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by shigidi(m): 2:55pm On Apr 15, 2013
manie: Okomu Oil sold for less than N5, in 2004.

100k will buy 20,000 units.

A bonus of 1 for 2 was declared some few years ago. this will make the 20,000 units to grow to 30,000 units.

Okomu closed at 104 on 12th April 2013.

30,000 units of Okomu will be worth over 3 Million Naira.

Dividend of 135k was received in 2012, and a dividend of 189k will be received in 2013.

At what P/E ratios were many of these stocks purchased? Might help to make for better historical analysis.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 3:10pm On Apr 15, 2013
shigidi:

At what P/E ratios were many of these stocks purchased? Might help to make for better historical analysis.


When i bought UACN and GSK back in the days, the stocks had a PE of less than 5.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by shigidi(m): 3:32pm On Apr 15, 2013
manie:


When i bought UACN and GSK back in the days, the stocks had a PE of less than 5.

So therin lies another question. With many of these stocks trasding at P/E's of 15, is it still worth jumping in for the long term? Or in other words,what indicators tell you that the P/E ratios at which you make purchase are good value at the time of purchase.

No vexx, i know i can be very interrogative grin
manie:


When i bought UACN and GSK back in the days, the stocks had a PE of less than 5.

So therin lies another question. With many of these stocks trasding at P/E's of 15, is it still worth jumping in for the long term? Or in other words,what indicators tell you that the P/E ratios at which you make purchase are good value at the time of purchase.

No vexx, i know i can be very interrogative
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 4:00pm On Apr 15, 2013
shigidi:

So therin lies another question. With many of these stocks trasding at P/E's of 15, is it still worth jumping in for the long term? Or in other words,what indicators tell you that the P/E ratios at which you make purchase are good value at the time of purchase.

No vexx, i know i can be very interrogative grin

So therin lies another question. With many of these stocks trasding at P/E's of 15, is it still worth jumping in for the long term? Or in other words,what indicators tell you that the P/E ratios at which you make purchase are good value at the time of purchase.

No vexx, i know i can be very interrogative


You may need to look at the PE, and the PE growth rate, Peter Lynch loves investing in companies whose PEG is higher than the PE.


To Peter Lynch, a stock with a PE of 12, and a PEG of 15, is cheaper than a company with PE of 6 and a PEG of 5.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by shigidi(m): 5:15pm On Apr 15, 2013
manie:


You may need to look at the PE, and the PE growth rate, Peter Lynch loves investing in companies whose PEG is higher than the PE.


To Peter Lynch, a stock with a PE of 12, and a PEG of 15, is cheaper than a company with PE of 6 and a PEG of 5.

Roger that. Thank you
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by KingPradas(m): 9:35pm On Apr 22, 2013
Whats was the share price of unity bank, i invested 500k into unity bank during 2005/2006

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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by sixteen08(m): 6:51pm On May 02, 2013
@manie I'd like to know your take on nestle stocks.
Thank you
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 6:57pm On May 02, 2013
sixteen08: @manie I'd like to know your take on nestle stocks.
Thank you


Unfortunately I have sold all my Nestle shares, to buy more of FBN shares at between N18.50 and N20.00k. Nestle should be a good stock for anybody that can get it for less than N800. I sold mine when it got to N800 and above.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by sixteen08(m): 7:16pm On May 02, 2013
manie:


Unfortunately I have sold all my Nestle shares, to buy more of FBN shares at between N18.50 and N20.00k. Nestle should be a good stock for anybody that can get it for less than N800. I sold mine when it got to N800 and above.

The price is on the high side (in tandem with your submission on the price) i personally don't think now is the right time to buy with the current price above 930
Also,i am not sure if the current price range is above or below the point of inflection because there is still enormous growth potential in the food and beverage sector,likewise the company itself.

So what do you suggest for someone with about 1000 units of the stock?(My take on this is sell the stock before price depreciation set in)

Do you think the price is overpriced or underpriced?
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 6:39am On May 03, 2013
sixteen08:

The price is on the high side (in tandem with your submission on the price) i personally don't think now is the right time to buy with the current price above 930
Also,i am not sure if the current price range is above or below the point of inflection because there is still enormous growth potential in the food and beverage sector,likewise the company itself.

So what do you suggest for someone with about 1000 units of the stock?(My take on this is sell the stock before price depreciation set in)

Do you think the price is overpriced or underpriced?



I may be wrong, but I think it is overpriced. 1000 units of Nestle at the current price would have bought over 41,000 units of Zenith in March 2013 and you would have received a dividend of 59k, whereas 1000 units of Nestle will give you a dividend of about 17k.

I have no regret selling all my 2500 units of Nestle, and reinvesting the proceeds in First bank Shares.


Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 6:41am On May 03, 2013
sixteen08:

The price is on the high side (in tandem with your submission on the price) i personally don't think now is the right time to buy with the current price above 930
Also,i am not sure if the current price range is above or below the point of inflection because there is still enormous growth potential in the food and beverage sector,likewise the company itself.

So what do you suggest for someone with about 1000 units of the stock?(My take on this is sell the stock before price depreciation set in)

Do you think the price is overpriced or underpriced?


















I may be wrong, but I think it is overpriced. 1000 units of Nestle at the current price would have bought over 41,000 units of Zenith in March 2013 and you would have received a dividend of 59k, whereas 1000 units of Nestle will give you a dividend of about 17k.

I have no regret selling all my 2500 units of Nestle, and reinvesting the proceeds in First bank Shares.

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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by sixteen08(m): 7:06pm On May 03, 2013
manie:



I may be wrong, but I think it is overpriced. 1000 units of Nestle at the current price would have bought over 41,000 units of Zenith in March 2013 and you would have received a dividend of 59k, whereas 1000 units of Nestle will give you a dividend of about 17k.

I have no regret selling all my 2500 units of Nestle, and reinvesting the proceeds in First bank Shares.

Thank you *thumbs up*
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Massddweapons: 12:51am On May 05, 2013
manie:



I may be wrong, but I think it is overpriced. 1000 units of Nestle at the current price would have bought over 41,000 units of Zenith in March 2013 and you would have received a dividend of 59k, whereas 1000 units of Nestle will give you a dividend of about 17k.

I have no regret selling all my 2500 units of Nestle, and reinvesting the proceeds in First bank Shares.
Thanks alot, I have learned a lot from you
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Josh121(m): 7:26pm On May 19, 2013
@Manie , I have been following your thread , please i want to know how many Unit of FBHN will i have now if i bought 5000 units in 2005 . Thanks cause I want to follow up with my broker . Thanks once again
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 12:24pm On May 20, 2013
@ Josh121

If you bought after the 1 for 4 bonus declared in 2005, you should have 19904 units of FBN shares
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Josh121(m): 12:36pm On May 20, 2013
manie: @ Josh121

If you bought after the 1 for 4 bonus declared in 2005, you should have 19904 units of FBN shares
Thanks Sir , am trying to help a friend on this , it like he as not been getting is bonus rightly but we are going to is broker to find out and also get him is online portfolio so he can monitor it by his self
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 1:07pm On May 20, 2013
Josh121: @Manie , I have been following your thread , please i want to know how many Unit of FBHN will i have now if i bought 5000 units in 2005 . Thanks cause I want to follow up with my broker . Thanks once again

Your broker may not be able to help you, i will advice you to go to First Registrars.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by pappilo(m): 9:56pm On May 20, 2013
Well done Manie. You are very clued up on this topic.
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by Shine1177: 5:14pm On May 23, 2013
manie:

I am not a stock broker, but an investor in the stock market, real estate and small businesses. You can choose your stock broker from the over 100 stockbrokers in the country. I prefer trading with stock broking firms that are not one man business.

The following stock brokers are okay, Lead Capital, Investment one etc. With 50k you can open a stock broking account.

You will need 100k and 250k to open an account at Fidelity securities and UBA stock brokers respectively.

If you have a million Naira you can open your account at CSL stockbrokers or BGL Securities.

Meristem securities will need 2.5 million Naira, while IBTC, Afrinvest, Vetiva, FBN Securities will require 5 million Naira if you want to open a stock broking account.

But I will advice to start small, invest in your youth, invest regularly, net work with fellow investors, avoid penny stocks, read investment publication, listen to business news, practice Naira cost averaging , have a long term investment plan, do not buy hot stocks.

Manie. Is https://www.meritrade.com/how-it-works.php a reliable broker? they take N50k also. I have opened cscs with a broker (2008) in Kwara State but av relocated now, can i continue to use the cscs account with another broker since i have my CHN?
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by freeman67: 4:18pm On May 25, 2013
@Manie...how's d performance of Fidson been..and what is its prospect in the comings years pls..?
Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(m): 6:39am On May 28, 2013
freeman67: @Manie...how's d performance of Fidson been..and what is its prospect in the comings years pls..?

I am sorry, I don't have FIDSON stock.
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Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by SMC(f): 3:15am On Dec 28, 2013
Ten years is too far. A friend of mine has Forte Oil shares (left to her by her father). As at the 2nd of January this year (2013), she had 26,400 shares which were trading at N7.73k, giving her a worth of N204,151.20k. As at the close of market yesterday i.e. 27th of December 2013, Forte Oil was trading at N108.30k per share and those shares which were worth a little over Two Hundred Thousand Naira less than a year ago are now worth over 2.8 Million Naira.

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