By chance, if God decides to judge the church by works, not one man would make it.
Man is wired to prefer being under a law. To man, been justified by the death of Christ seem cheap.
We prefer when we are told to pay tithe or if you don't sweep the church surrounding, you will be cursed by God.
We despise freedom but cherish slavery

But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Goshen360: @ MostHigh,

We have discussed this issue in the past. I really do not want people to often MIS-understand me. When I say law, I mean the TORAH, law of Moses. Off course, we are not under the guidance of the law of Moses but under the law of Christ & of the Spirit of Life that now works by the power of the Holy Spirit. If it is the law of Moses, absolutely, none of us can keep all the law of Moses as it wasn't written to us in the first place. The law of Christ is LOVE and that LOVE fulfills the whole law of Moses. Simple put, maintain LOVE and you don't have to bother about the 613 laws of Moses because we are dead to the law (of Moses) but alive to the law of Christ.

your view is exactly the same as that of the lawaless man of 2 thess 2

Goshen Have you ever asked yourself what the lawless man is lawless about?

Or why paul labelles him as LAWLESS?

Goshen if I was to ask you if you are lawless what would be your response?

in the beginning was the word, stop fighting the word.

you doctrine is more like a new age concept (bejamin crème and the Georgia guidstones)

you say maintain love and not bother about obedience because there is no judgement?

I hear you.

man will not live by bread alone!

but by every word

hear oo isreal!

obadiah777: LOL. A FEW VERSES FOR YOU
1 JOHN 2 VS 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

John wrote to the scattered tribes of Isreal and not to christians. Only apostle Paul has the epistle to the church

11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

Follow me, just as I follow Christ

Rightly divide the word of truth

MostHigh:

your view is exactly the same as that of the lawaless man of 2 thess 2

Goshen Have you ever asked yourself what the lawless man is lawless about?

Or why paul labelles him as LAWLESS?

Goshen if I was to ask you if you are lawless what would be your response?

in the beginning was the word, stop fighting the word.

you doctrine is more like a new age concept (bejamin crème and the Georgia guidstones)

you say maintain love and not bother about obedience because there is no judgement?

I hear you.

man will not live by bread alone!

but by every word

hear oo isreal!

The lawless man is the son of perdition,the one who will sit in the church like He is God. He will be revealed and be destroyed by Christ , He is not a Christian that is not observing the law of Moses like you thought. going 1 step further, He is the POPE.

shdemidemi:

John wrote to the scattered tribes of Isreal and not to christians. Only apostle Paul has the epistle to the church

11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

Follow me, just as I follow Christ

Rightly divide the word of truth

HE WROTE MOSTLY TO THE SCATTERED ELECT MEN OF ISRAEL. YOU ARE VERY RIGHT. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS POINT ACROSS TO PEOPLE FOR THE LONGEST TIME THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS NOT MEANT TO BE READ AS IF IT APPLIES TO YOU. HAVING SAID THAT PAUL IS STILL THE APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES AND THERE ARE A FEW REFERENCES TO THE GENTILES OF WHICH THAT VERSE I QUOTED IS ONE OF THEM. TO THE ELECT JEWS HE TELLS THEM WE HAVE BEEN SAVED BY GRACE. SO THERE ARE TWO MESSAGES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. MESSAGE OF GRACE TO THE ELECT AND MESSAGE OF LAWS TO EVERYONE ELSE

shdemidemi:

John wrote to the scattered tribes of Isreal and not to christians. Only apostle Paul has the epistle to the church

11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God which was committed to my trust.

Follow me, just as I follow Christ

Rightly divide the word of truth

For those that say follow Christ.

There are several places in the bible where yashua ibn josef makes a vow

I shall no more.....

What vows have you made to this god you say you serve

What have you denied yourself

What selfish ways have you turned away from

We should try and live the life of yashua ibn joseph as closely as possible


talk is cheap.

obadiah777: *SMDH* GOSHEN DONE LED MORE PEOPLE INTO HELL FIRE THAN BEELZEBUB WITH THIS HIS DOCTRINE

Do you mean leading people to Africa(your HELL FIRE)?

shdemidemi:

The lawless man is the son of perdition,the one who will sit in the church like He is God. He will be revealed and be destroyed by Christ , He is not a Christian that is not observing the law of Moses like you thought. going 1 step further, He is the POPE.

Good at least we agree on the fact that the pope is the lawless man.

one of the documents the papacy uses to validate their monarchy is the gift of Constantine (later proved to be a fraud)

below is an edict of Constantine

Canon Laws of the Council of Laodicea (343-381?) enforced by a ogogoro drinking warlord (constantine) and his plebs in council.
Can. 29. “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honor, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out [Greek anathema] from Christ.” …
If the original Apostles had kept Sunday sacred, there would have been no need for emperial laws to change an ancient custom. The very existence of this Canon declarations concerning Sunday reinforce the fact that it was a new and not original practice, hence we see the lawless man clearly
revealed changing Gods laws as prophesised.

the shall not juedize, meaning they shall not live as yashua lives, simple.

Dan 7:25-
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change (Times and Laws): [of the most High God]... is this not the lawless man of 2thess 2 what is he lawless about? what laws and times has he changed? could it be sunday instead of saturday rest, or easter in place of passover?


the choice has never been yours as you feel about how you worship now. but I know your soul longs for the truth.

you are living a lie programmed over 2 thousand yrs ago

stop living as the cow bird lives.

Boomark:

Do you mean leading people to Africa(your HELL FIRE)?

LMAO. AFRICA IS A FORM OF HELL. PSALMS 9 VS 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God <<< IN AFRICA ARE THE REAL JEWS. YOU BEEN IN HELL. YOU GOT PUNISHED FIRST ( AMOS 3 VS 2 ) ( 1 PETER 4 VS 17 )

obadiah777: LOL. A FEW VERSES FOR YOU
1 JOHN 2 VS 7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

Why don't you complete the context of the verse or ask yourself, what is the 'old commandment' in that context? You think it's the one in 'old testament' right? Well, actually, it is the one given by Christ in Matthew - John (is still the old testament), and that is still LOVE.....it is the fulfillment of the law of Moses.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment for you; rather it is an old one you have had from the very beginning. This old commandment--to love one another--is the same message you heard before. 1 John 2:7

Yes, Yes, Yes, when you love God & your neighnour, you will not sleep with his wife nor steal nor kill nor fornicate not bear false witness against him\her. That's the New Testament fulfillment of the law of Moses. Dead to the law of Moses but alive to the law of Christ - LOVE!

Dear Sir;
Is the accusation true, that Protestants accuse you of? They say you
changed the Seventh Day Sabbath to the, so-called, Christian Sunday:
Identical with the First Day of the week. If so, when did you make the
change, and by what authority?

Yours very truely,
J. L. Day
The Reply:
THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
180 Wabash Ave., Chicago, Illinois
(Under the Blessing of Pop Pius XII)
Dear sir:
Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the
Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

> (1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith
> and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath.
The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe Sunday, stultifies
them in the eyes of every thinking man.

(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith.
Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church,
as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church instituted by Christ, to teach
and guide men through life, has the right to change the Ceremonial laws of
the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday.
We frankly say, "yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she
made many other laws, for instance, the Friday Abstinence, the unmarried
priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic
marriages, and a thousand other laws.

(3) [b]We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are
the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their
teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches,
in pulpit and legislature, demand the observance of Sundays of which there
is nothing in the Bible

obadiah777: LMAO. AFRICA IS A FORM OF HELL. PSALMS 9 VS 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God <<< IN AFRICA ARE THE REAL JEWS. YOU BEEN IN HELL. YOU GOT PUNISHED FIRST ( AMOS 3 VS 2 ) ( 1 PETER 4 VS 17 )

Sharrap there! Which Africa be form of hell? You don start abi? Yeyenatu!

obadiah777: HE WROTE MOSTLY TO THE SCATTERED ELECT MEN OF ISRAEL. YOU ARE VERY RIGHT. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS POINT ACROSS TO PEOPLE FOR THE LONGEST TIME THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS NOT MEANT TO BE READ AS IF IT APPLIES TO YOU. HAVING SAID THAT PAUL IS STILL THE APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES AND THERE ARE A FEW REFERENCES TO THE GENTILES OF WHICH THAT VERSE I QUOTED IS ONE OF THEM. TO THE ELECT JEWS HE TELLS THEM WE HAVE BEEN SAVED BY GRACE. SO THERE ARE TWO MESSAGES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. MESSAGE OF GRACE TO THE ELECT AND MESSAGE OF LAWS TO EVERYONE ELSE

I agree but just to be clearer incase we are not saying thesame thing, the message of the law is for the Jews and the Jews alone cos they will serve extra years after rapture and the message of grace is to every believer elected by God

Goshen360:

Why don't you complete the context of the verse or ask yourself, what is the 'old commandment' in that context? You think it's the one in 'old testament' right? Well, actually, it is the one given by Christ in Matthew - John (is still the old testament), and that is still LOVE.....it is the fulfillment of the law of Moses.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Dear friends, I am not writing a new commandment for you; rather it is an old one you have had from the very beginning. This old commandment--to love one another--is the same message you heard before. 1 John 2:7

Yes, Yes, Yes, when you love God & your neighnour, you will not sleep with his wife nor steal nor kill nor fornicate not bear false witness against him\her. That's the New Testament fulfillment of the law of Moses. Dead to the law of Moses but alive to the law of Christ - LOVE!

2 JOHN 1 VS 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. <<< SELF EXPLANATORY. COMMANDMENTS FROM THE BEGINNING.

ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

shdemidemi:

I agree but just to be clearer incase we are not saying thesame thing, the message of the law is for the Jews and the Jews alone cos they will serve extra years after rapture and the message of grace is to every believer elected by God

Our Christian brothers & sisters FIRST need to part with the law of Moses first before they can experience the MANIFOLD Grace of Gospel - That's the Gospel! You can't plant Grace where the works of the law is still deeply rooted. Hebrews says, God TOOK AWAY one (law) that He may ESTABLISH the other (Grace). In other words, he took away Moses that he migh establish Christ. We are saved by Christ (Grace) and cannot continue to live by the law (Moses) teachings or mix\balance both together. That's spiritual adultery according to Romans 7.

Goshen360:

Sharrap there! Which Africa be form of hell? You don start abi? Yeyenatu!

READ DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 15-68. WE ARE IN HELL. HELL IS A CONDITION. THE PALE HORSE ALSO KNOWN AS THE GRISLED HORSE IS IN AFRICA. THIS IS THE HORSE WHICH REPRESENTS HELL ( ZECHARIAH 6 AND REVELATION 6 ). BROTHER WE BEEN IN HELL. TRY TO STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT MORE

Goshen360: Chei, see Ihedinobi o. Unknown to you, perhaps, the body of Christ represent MANY things from scriptures. I will show you later on.

New International Version (©2011)
Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;

New Living Translation (©2007)
That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God, "You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings. But you have given me a body to offer.

Hebrews 10:5

Okay, I will help you out the more. When Christ 'represented' (in) his BODY by the 'bread' for communion, what do you think was going on then? Are you 'literally' eating the BODY of Christ or it is spiritually symbolic? When you answer this question, I will then follow up.

It is symbolic.

obadiah777: 2 JOHN 1 VS 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. <<< SELF EXPLANATORY. COMMANDMENTS FROM THE BEGINNING.

ECCLESIASTES 12 VS 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mark 1:1

Stop reading scriptures in superlatives - Beginning doesn't mean from Genesis. Beginning there refers to what Christ taught at the beginning of his earthly ministry ^ as quoted above.

See, you're a good bible student but until you stop reading the law of Moses with the lens of the law, then you will never understand anything. But when you start reading the law of Moses with the lens of the New Testament, then it will be very clear to you. The law is just a shadow of Christ and hidden revelation of the finished works, the Epistle of Paul is what revealed that Revelation.

shdemidemi:

I agree but just to be clearer incase we are not saying thesame thing, the message of the law is for the Jews and the Jews alone cos they will serve extra years after rapture and the message of grace is to every believer elected by God

WRONG. THE PURPOSE OF CHRIST WAS TO UNITE BOTH JEW AND GENTILES TO THE LORD AND UNDER THE LAW. EPHESIANS 2 VS 14. THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE SO LONG AS YOU ACCEPT THE LAW. THE BATTLE LINES ARE NOW BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS. AS FOR THE BELIEVERS, THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE. THEY ARE BOTH UNITED UNDER THE LAW NOW. THIS IS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF CHRIST. TO UNITE BOTH FACTIONS TO GOD UNDER THE LAW.

obadiah777: READ DEUTERONOMY 28 VS 15-68. WE ARE IN HELL. HELL IS A CONDITION. THE PALE HORSE ALSO KNOWN AS THE GRISLED HORSE IS IN AFRICA. THIS IS THE HORSE WHICH REPRESENTS HELL ( ZECHARIAH 6 AND REVELATION 6 ). BROTHER WE BEEN IN HELL. TRY TO STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT MORE

Yes, I had studied the Old and will return again at least for people like you who say I don't do Old Testament, I will start some teachings soon on the forum from the Old. The Old is fulfilled in Christ & the Church. If you can't see Christ revelation from Genesis to Gospel of John, you're reading the Bible, NOT studying. But STOP following Moses' teachings, it's a shadow, get the substance of out it, that's my message to you.

Goshen360:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mark 1:1

Stop reading scriptures in superlatives - Beginning doesn't mean from Genesis. Beginning there refers to what Christ taught at the beginning of his earthly ministry ^ as quoted above.

See, you're a good bible student but until you stop reading the law of Moses with the lens of the law, then you will never understand anything. But when you start reading the law of Moses with the lens of the New Testament, then it will be very clear to you. The law is just a shadow of Christ and hidden revelation of the finished works, the Epistle of Paul is what revealed that Revelation.

BRUV, CHRIST DID NOT BRING COMMANDMENTS FROM THE BEGINNING. IF YOU READ THE OLD TESTAMENT DILIGENTLY, YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A REGURGITATION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. THERE IS NO DIVISION BETWEEN THE BOOKS. THATS A MISTAKE MOST NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS MAKE. IT IS ONE LONG CONTINUOUS BOOK. YOU ERR THINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A DIFFERENT BOOK FROM THE OLD. THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS TO TELL YOU HOW THE GENTILES GOT KICKED INTO THE LAWS BY CHRIST SACRIFICE. THE LAW STILL STANDS. GRACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANS. GRACE WAS FOR THE ELECT WHO WENT OUT AND DID THE JOB OF BRINGING THE GENTILES INTO THE LAW. YOU ERR WITH THIS YOUR DOCTRINE GOSHEN. YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE SIN THINKING THEY ARE UNDER GRACE

obadiah777: WRONG. THE PURPOSE OF CHRIST WAS TO UNITE BOTH JEW AND GENTILES TO THE LORD AND UNDER THE LAW. EPHESIANS 2 VS 14. THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE SO LONG AS YOU ACCEPT THE LAW. THE BATTLE LINES ARE NOW BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS. AS FOR THE BELIEVERS, THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE. THEY ARE BOTH UNITED UNDER THE LAW NOW. THIS IS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF CHRIST. TO UNITE BOTH FACTIONS TO GOD UNDER THE LAW.

NO! That's not true. It was the law that was the barrier. Hence, Christ cancelled that law of Moses so as to remove the barrier so the Gentiles can be engrafted into the new covenant. Read the next verse of the scriptures you quoted, it tells you how Christ did that,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

New International Version (©2011)
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

New Living Translation (©2007)
He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

Ephesians 2:15

One of your issue is you're too tied to KJV. It's okay if you understand it but you need to unloose yourself bro, by checking many comparative translations from time to time so actually see what is meant in context.

obadiah777: WRONG. THE PURPOSE OF CHRIST WAS TO UNITE BOTH JEW AND GENTILES TO THE LORD AND UNDER THE LAW. EPHESIANS 2 VS 14. THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE SO LONG AS YOU ACCEPT THE LAW. THE BATTLE LINES ARE NOW BETWEEN BELIEVERS AND NON-BELIEVERS. AS FOR THE BELIEVERS, THERE IS NO MORE JEW OR GENTILE. THEY ARE BOTH UNITED UNDER THE LAW NOW. THIS IS THE MAIN PURPOSE OF CHRIST. TO UNITE BOTH FACTIONS TO GOD UNDER THE LAW.

1) under what law
2)battle line between believers and unbelievers

Explicate pls

obadiah777: BRUV, CHRIST DID NOT BRING COMMANDMENTS FROM THE BEGINNING. IF YOU READ THE OLD TESTAMENT DILIGENTLY, YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A REGURGITATION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. THERE IS NO DIVISION BETWEEN THE BOOKS. THATS A MISTAKE MOST NIGERIAN CHRISTIANS MAKE. IT IS ONE LONG CONTINUOUS BOOK. YOU ERR THINKING THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A DIFFERENT BOOK FROM THE OLD. THE PURPOSE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS TO TELL YOU HOW THE GENTILES GOT KICKED INTO THE LAWS BY CHRIST SACRIFICE. THE LAW STILL STANDS. GRACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANS. GRACE WAS FOR THE ELECT WHO WENT OUT AND DID THE JOB OF BRINGING THE GENTILES INTO THE LAW. YOU ERR WITH THIS YOUR DOCTRINE GOSHEN. YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE SIN THINKING THEY ARE UNDER GRACE

Keep on doing the law of Moses bro. Christians are DEAD to the law of Moses as far as I'm concern. Go study Galatians and Romans again. The era of the law of Moses is gone. To be clear, I do not see or teach the the New are separated from the Old. It's a continuous revelation, don't just jump to conclusions and the New was NEVER to bring the Gentiles under the LAW OF MOSES, that a big error you're making but rather, to tell the Jews, the era of their law of Moses had come to an end.

New Living Translation (©2007)
So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don't get tied up again in slavery to the law. Galatians 5:1

5Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” 6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.” Acts 17

Ihedinobi:

It is symbolic.

Okay, I will write intensively when I wake up tomorrow. I'm tired for today. I can only do short comments. Thanks bro.

Thanks Goshen for your post, Obadia777 is miles away from the gospel.

that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.

His teachings are different from the gospel.

Goshen360:

NO! That's not true. It was the law that was the barrier. Hence, Christ cancelled that law of Moses so as to remove the barrier so the Gentiles can be engrafted into the new covenant. Read the next verse of the scriptures you quoted, it tells you how Christ did that,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

New International Version (©2011)
by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace,

New Living Translation (©2007)
He did this by ending the system of law with its commandments and regulations. He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups.

Ephesians 2:15

One of your issue is you're too tied to KJV. It's okay if you understand it but you need to unloose yourself bro, by checking many comparative translations from time to time so actually see what is meant in context.

THE LAW WASNT THE BARRIER. THE GENTILES HAD NO LAWS. THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE BEASTS OF THE FIELD OR DOGS. PSALMS 147 VS 19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.

20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and as for his judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the Lord.

ALL THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE TO UNITE BOTH WAS TO BRING THE GENTILES UNDER THE LAW. THIS WAS WHAT ISRAEL WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DONE INITIALLY BUT THEY FELL AND THE JOB WAS NOT DONE. SO CHRIST CAME TO FINISH THE JOB THAT ISRAEL FAILED TO DO WHICH IS TO SPIRITUALLY CIVILIZE THE GENTILES BY BRINGING THEM UNDER THE LAW WITH ISRAEL AND HENCE GIVING THEM A CHANCE AT SALVATION

shdemidemi:

1) under what law
2)battle line between believers and unbelievers

Explicate pls

THE MORAL LAWS, DIETARY LAWS, COMMANDMENTS. AS IN THERE IS NO MORE CLASSIFICATION OF JEW OR GENTILES. CHRIST BROKE THAT DOWN ( EPHESIANS 2 VS 14 ). NOW BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS. SO NOW ITS EITHER YOU ARE A BELIEVER OR YOU ARE NOT. IF YOU ARE A BELIEVER YOU WILL BE SAVED, IF YOU ARE AN UNBELIEVER YOU WILL CATCH THERMONUCLEAR FIRE AND BE DESTROYED.

Why would they follow a law that leads to death leaving grace that gives life

shdemidemi: Thanks Goshen for your post, Obadia777 is miles away from the gospel.

that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.

His teachings are different from the gospel.

YEAH FOLLOW GOSHEN TO DESTRUCTION. THIS IS YOU AND GOSHEN HERE 2 THESSALONIANS 2 VS 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: KEEP BELIEVING THAT LIE THAT THE LAWS ARE ABOLISHED.

shdemidemi: Why would they follow a law that leads to death leaving grace that gives life

THE PURPOSE OF THE LAW IS TO REFORM A FALLEN WORLD. NOW THE ELECT HAVE PASSED THE TEST SO THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN GRACE. THE REST OF THE WORLD STILL HAS TO BE REFORMED. GRACE IS NOT FOR THE WHOLE WORLD

HEBREWS 9 VS 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

SO THE LAW IS TO REFORM A FALLEN WORLD. THE ONLY TIME THE LAWS WOULD DISAPPEAR IS WHEN THE CORRUPTIBLE INHERITS INCORRUPTION. UNTIL THEN, THE REFORMATION CONTINUES.

obadiah777: YEAH FOLLOW GOSHEN TO DESTRUCTION. THIS IS YOU AND GOSHEN HERE 2 THESSALONIANS 2 VS 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: KEEP BELIEVING THAT LIE THAT THE LAWS ARE ABOLISHED.

Would you be righteous, if God were to judge you by law?