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Re: Bucket Of Urine Poured On Her By Christians Because She Started An Atheist Group by Nobody: 1:06pm On May 11, 2013 |
thehomer:STAY ON TOPIC BRUV. THE POST IS ABOUT WHITEY. STOP DERAILING 1 Like |
Re: Bucket Of Urine Poured On Her By Christians Because She Started An Atheist Group by Nobody: 9:51pm On May 11, 2013 |
obadiah777: STAY ON TOPIC BRUV. THE POST IS ABOUT WHITEY. STOP DERAILINGI concur |
Re: Bucket Of Urine Poured On Her By Christians Because She Started An Atheist Group by Nobody: 8:55pm On May 13, 2013 |
jacobscros: I concur I dont |
Re: Bucket Of Urine Poured On Her By Christians Because She Started An Atheist Group by libero00: 1:03am On Dec 30, 2013 |
from an atheist to you: "Those weren't real believers. They just claimed to be believers as some sort of excuse." This is rather like the No True Scotsman fallacy. What makes a real believer? There are so many One True Religions it's hard to tell. Look at Christianity: there are many competing groups, all convinced that they are the only true Christians. Sometimes they even fight and kill each other. How is an atheist supposed to decide who's a real Christian and who isn't, when even the major Christian churches like the Catholic Church and the Church of England can't decide amongst themselves? In the end, most atheists take a pragmatic view, and decide that anyone who calls himself a Christian, and uses Christian belief or dogma to justify his actions, should be considered a Christian. Maybe some of those Christians are just perverting Christian teaching for their own ends--but surely if the Bible can be so readily used to support un-Christian acts it can't be much of a moral code? If the Bible is the word of God, why couldn't he have made it less easy to misinterpret? And how do you know that your beliefs aren't a perversion of what your God intended? If there is no single unambiguous interpretation of the Bible, then why should an atheist take one interpretation over another just on your say-so? Sorry, but if someone claims that he believes in Jesus and that he murdered others because Jesus and the Bible told him to do so, we must call him a Christian. "Obviously those extreme sorts of beliefs should be questioned. But since nobody has ever proved that God does not exist, it must be very unlikely that more basic religious beliefs, shared by all faiths, are nonsense." The commonality of many basic religious beliefs is hardly surprising, if you take the view that religion is a product of society. From that viewpoint, religions have borrowed ideas which contribute to a stable society--such as respect for authority figures, a prohibition against murder, and so on. In addition, many common religious themes have been passed on to later religions. For example, it has been suggested that the Ten Commandments of the Old Testament actually have their roots in Hammurabi's code. The claim that because something hasn't been proved false, it's less likely to be nonsense, does not hold. As was pointed out earlier in this dialogue, positive assertions concerning the existence of entities are inherently much harder to disprove than negative ones. Nobody has ever proved that unicorns don't exist, and there are many stories about them, but that doesn't make it unlikely that they are myths. It is therefore much more valid to hold a negative assertion by default than it is to hold a positive assertion by default. Of course, "weak" atheists may argue that asserting nothing is better still. infidel dot org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html |
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