OLAADEGBU:

Come and move the mountain that is keeping you in the captivity of sin, self, sickness, systems of this world and satan.

(2 Cor.4:4)

What sin again, Are you referring to the same sin I know?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.



Are you by any chance moving the same sin the bible says I am dead to?

shdemidemi:

What sin again, Are you referring to the same sin I know?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.



Are you by any chance moving the same sin the bible says I am dead to?

How can you be dead to the sin you have not repented of? You cannot receive his grace if you refuse to let go of your sins.

shdemidemi:

What sin again, Are you referring to the same sin I know?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?


11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.



Are you by any chance moving the same sin the bible says I am dead to?

*smiling* tricky fellow. I get your point maybe he doesn't(u shud break it down a lil bit) what do you think? We all have difficulties, trials, challenges and the likes. So, sometimes they pose as mountains(' mountain' there is a significant) unmoveable, high and obstructing. If you get what i mean.

OLAADEGBU:

How can you be dead to the sin you have not repented of? You cannot receive his grace if you refuse to let go of your sins.

That is where you have been wrongly schooled. The bible says Romans 4

5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:


7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them


I did not become righteous because I 'repented', I became righteous because

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead


Did the bible say, if you repent, NO. It clearly says if you believe. The same way I was born a sinner through the sin of Adam, I become righteous through Christ.

Go and study

Thoniameek: *smiling* tricky fellow. I get your point maybe he doesn't(u shud break it down a lil bit) what do you think? We all have difficulties, trials, challenges and the likes. So, sometimes they pose as mountains(' mountain' there is a significant) unmoveable, high and obstructing. If you get what i mean.

He knows what I am talking about, he is avoiding the answer cos he is thinking what my response would be.

OLAADEGBU:

When Mountains Move June 2013. Be there.

Time: Saturday:18:00 hours; Sunday: 08:00 hours

29-30 June, 2013

Watch it online Here

My dear don't bother your self answering them, all of you are like pharoah whose heart was hardened untill God finished him, sis magrets testimony is real, if you don't believe it,its up to you afterall Jesus was neglected in his home town, so don't answer them or whatever opinion they have, I pray them to repent before dying because their punishment will be worse. Than an infidel

jefips: My dear don't bother your self answering them, all of you are like pharoah whose heart was hardened untill God finished him, sis magrets testimony is real, if you don't believe it,its up to you afterall Jesus was neglected in his home town, so don't answer them or whatever opinion they have, I pray them to repent before dying because their punishment will be worse. Than an infidel

Wrong, you better check up on which person you are worshipping.

This woman is a false teacher.

frosbel:

Wrong, you better check up on which person you are worshipping.

This woman is a false teacher.

She is a false teacher only in your own views. It is when God calls her false that she is false. Even if all of us agree with you to call her false and God says she is not false, then ours doesn't matter anything. Thanks.

alexleo:

She is a false teacher only in your own views. It is when God calls her false that she is false. Even if all of us agree with you to call her false and God says she is not false, then ours doesn't matter anything. Thanks.

Indeed , but GOD has a strict measure for false or true disciples.

If a prophet get's it wrong ONE time, he/she is either presumptuous or does not know GOD.

I can show you verses later on.

Lol @ all these fake messages sef.

alexleo:

She is a false teacher only in your own views. It is when God calls her false that she is false. Even if all of us agree with you to call her false and God says she is not false, then ours doesn't matter anything. Thanks.

On the contrary, the scriptures show us clearly who a false teacher/ prophet is.

frosbel: Ola , Paul was taken to paradise and he was so humbled by the experience that he did not even mention his name.

He saw and heard a lot which IT WAS NOT PERMITTED FOR ANY MAN TO SPEAK.

Can you kindly brief the house on how Paul will be prevented from speaking about these mysterious things, why there is not one instance in the early church, gospels , acts of the apostles and all the letters , of a vision such as this ? For example how come Lazarus and the small girl Jesus raised up from the dead did not come back with visions of the after life ?

"…3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) 4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in my infirmities." - 2 Corinthians 12:4

God bless you!

DrummaBoy: @Ola

U take my post and add with others and then went on to make no point

When you take a vision and make it sole authority, refusing to measure it with scripture, U are on dangerous grounds

Now that aspect of the parable of Lazarus which said we should listen to Moses and the prophets, meant what it said: WE DO NOT NEED PEOPLE RESCUSCITATED FROM THE DEAD TO TELL US OF THE AFTER LIFE, WE HAVE MOSES AND THE PROPHETS - THE BIBLE.

What you are doing by publishing these visions is adding to God's word: and there is a curse that comes with this - read Revelation.

All we need on our journey to the kingdom is in the bible, any other vision is designed to deceive, Colosians 2:18.

When you lack sound understanding of the word and are at a loss to respond to those who refute your false doctrine, you resort visions and revelations. It is the hallmark of false prophets.

Beware!!!

^^^^^^^

frosbel:

100% NONSENSE.

Deeperlife is not our MODEL , Jesus is and may I tell you what the bible says :

"Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom." - 2 Corinthians 3:17

and the advice is :

"You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love." - Galatians 5:13


The key in everything is modesty and decency.

Once again, DEEPERLIFE dressing, speaking or modus operandi is not the model for the church.

thanks.

Very well said.

OLAADEGBU:

How can you be dead to the sin you have not repented of? You cannot receive his grace if you refuse to let go of your sins.

shdemidemi:

That is where you have been wrongly schooled. The bible says Romans 4

5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:


7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them


I did not become righteous because I 'repented', I became righteous because

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead


Did the bible say, if you repent, NO. It clearly says if you believe. The same way I was born a sinner through the sin of Adam, I become righteous through Christ.

Go and study

@ shdemidemi,

Lemme help you talk to our brother even though I believe he will not listen neither will he receive the truth unless 'if' said by his PhD pastor.

@ Olaadegbu,

I know you love scriptures like this below,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

If you love scriptures like the ^ above. Do you also love the other side of the ^ above scriptures quoted below:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)

Romans 4:15

If you also take Romans 4:15 as scriptures, what do you understand by it and how do you balance it with 1 John 3:4? I await your response.

shdemidemi:

That is where you have been wrongly schooled. The bible says Romans 4

5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:


7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them

James balanced this up for you when he said:

"Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone" (James 2:17) The Evidence Bible.

There are 2 kinds of faith. It was reported in the news that a Christian farmer in western Kansas felt sure that God spoke to him to give his $40,000 hail insurance to missions. So, in faith he gave the money, trusting that God would protect his crop. Sure enough, the hail came and severely damaged all his neighbours crops, but not his.

The other case was a well known story about a brilliant tightrope artist named Blondin, who pushed a wheelbarrow across Niagara Falls. After he had walked to the other side, the crowd roared with applause at his amazing feat.

He asked a small boy in the crowd if he believed that Blondin could walk back. The boy said, Yes, sir! He then asked if the boy thought he could do it with him in the wheelbarrow. The boy said he believed he could do it, to which the famous tightrope walker said,

"Good! Jump in then and I will take you!" The boy would not get in.

Can you now compare the faith of the farmer who was so sure he heard a word from God that he was prepared to step out and the compare this with the faith of the boy who wasn't prepared to step out, and get in?

This shows that there are many sincere "christians" who have a measure of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, but they have not really trusted in Him. In the same sense, their faith, because it doesn't have works with it, is dead.

shdemidemi:

I did not become righteous because I 'repented', I became righteous because

22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead


Did the bible say, if you repent, NO. It clearly says if you believe. The same way I was born a sinner through the sin of Adam, I become righteous through Christ.

Go and study

This is what the bible says:

"And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem" - Luke 24:47

If you don't repent on what basis then do you expect God to forgive you of your sins? If there is no forgiveness of sins without repentance then forgiveness of sins cannot be understood without repentance.

Therefore, if forgiveness of sins is preached without repentance, it means that you would assume that you have already received the forgiveness of sins when you have not. This is why many of you antinomians become cocksure and fearless which is a greater error and sin than all error since time immemorial.

Ok, I will post something I wrote on another thread, may be your eyes of understanding can open

shdemidemi:

The "Kingdom Gospel" starts out probably the plainest when Jesus asked the twelve disciples back in Matthew 16, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?" And, of course, some said, "You’re John the Baptist, some think you’re one of the prophets." Then He came back and said, "But whom do you say that I am?" And Peter answered, "Thou art the Christ the Son of the Living God." Period. And that’s all these Jews back here in the Four Gospels had to believe for salvation.


Of course, he couldn’t mention the death, burial and resurrection because it hadn’t happened yet and they didn’t know it was going to happen. They had no idea that they would be going up to Jerusalem for a crucifixion. So the Kingdom Gospel is that Jesus was the Christ. He was the Son of God. And He was offering Israel the glories of the earthly Kingdom, promised all the way up through the Old Testament.


So as go into the Jewish epistles, everything is directed as yet to Jewish Kingdom believers. They had simply believed Jesus was indeed the Messiah. And they’re still under the Law and you’re going to see language that indicates that, even in I John. So, be aware there are things in here that we can apply but, by and large, all of these little Jewish epistles are written to Jewish Kingdom believers who had probably been scattered out of the Church at Jerusalem and are still under pressure from the Romans.


They’re also under the pressure of orthodox Jews who were aghast that these people were ignorant enough to accept this Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah. So, they’re under tremendous persecution and the whole theme of all these little epistles, James, I & II Peter, I, II & III John, and Jude is to prepare these Jewish Kingdom believers for the Tribulation that’s right out in front of them. And they would have to go through that Tribulation pressure before their Messiah could come and set up the Kingdom - where we in the this Age of Grace are promised we don’t have to go through the Tribulation, but will be Raptured out before that takes place.

Now there is some indication of His shed blood, for propitiation of sin. But there is nothing pertaining to the death, burial and resurrection that we are to place our faith in as the means of salvation in this Age of Grace. But their means of salvation was to believe Who Jesus really was.

Goshen360:

@ shdemidemi,

Lemme help you talk to our brother even though I believe he will not listen neither will he receive the truth unless 'if' said by his PhD pastor.

@ Olaadegbu,

I know you love scriptures like this below,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

If you love scriptures like the ^ above. Do you also love the other side of the ^ above scriptures quoted below:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For the law always brings punishment on those who try to obey it. (The only way to avoid breaking the law is to have no law to break!)

Romans 4:15

If you also take Romans 4:15 as scriptures, what do you understand by it and how do you balance it with 1 John 3:4? I await your response.

Here's another story to get you out of your misery.

Many years ago, a man jumped off a high bridge in an effort to end his life. Fortunately, he lived through the ordeal but broke his back as a result of the fall, and ended up in a wheelchair. His attempt to take his life caused a great deal of distress, to those in control of the bridge, to paramedics, to traffic and especially to his family. Authorities wanted to press charges against him but they couldn't, since this was the city's first suicide attempt, they had no law forbidding such an act. He escaped the consequences of the law of man, but suffered the painful consequences of breaking another law, the law of gravity.

In the same way, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral Law, "the soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4). Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses. They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God.

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come" - (Romans 5:14 The Evidence Bible).

OLAADEGBU:

Here's another story to get you out of your misery.

Many years ago, a man jumped off a high bridge in an effort to end his life. Fortunately, he lived through the ordeal but broke his back as a result of the fall, and ended up in a wheelchair. His attempt to take his life caused a great deal of distress, to those in control of the bridge, to paramedics, to traffic and especially to his family. Authorities wanted to press charges against him but they couldn't, since this was the city's first suicide attempt, they had no law forbidding such an act. He escaped the consequences of the law of man, but suffered the painful consequences of breaking another law, the law of gravity.

In the same way, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral Law, "the soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4). Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses. They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God.

Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come[/color]"[/i][/size] - (Romans 5:14 The Evidence Bible).

As much as death reigned, one man and his family found grace in the sight of God

Genesis 6:8

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

What would you say to that?

OLAADEGBU:

Here's another story to get you out of your misery.

Many years ago, a man jumped off a high bridge in an effort to end his life. Fortunately, he lived through the ordeal but broke his back as a result of the fall, and ended up in a wheelchair. His attempt to take his life caused a great deal of distress, to those in control of the bridge, to paramedics, to traffic and especially to his family. Authorities wanted to press charges against him but they couldn't, since this was the city's first suicide attempt, they had no law forbidding such an act. He escaped the consequences of the law of man, but suffered the painful consequences of breaking another law, the law of gravity.

In the same way, every person in Adam still sinned and therefore suffered the consequences of breaking the then unwritten moral Law, "the soul that sins, it shall die" (Ezekiel 18:4). Death reigned as king, with a dominion from Adam to Moses. They didn't partake from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as did Adam, but they still sinned against God.

"Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come" - (Romans 5:14 The Evidence Bible).

I knew it! I knew you CANNOT make anything out INTERPRETING those two scriptures given to you. I know it, unless you have to go to your PhD article. I knew it!



Okay, put it this way and try again. Sin is the trangression of an existing law but when you don't have any law you breaking, what is your sin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTsSCr9WrQg

^ (2) @ Olaadegbu,

Are you still a sinner as a Christian?

^^^^ I tire for the guy! Once he sees a question he turns a blind eye

shdemidemi:

On the contrary, the scriptures show us clearly who a false teacher/ prophet is.

Is it the scripture that all of us are giving various interpretation? Bros don't worry with that your stuff. It is only God who knows those that are his. Anybody can bend the scripture to brand somebody false or true but God is the only one that knows who is true and who is false.

shdemidemi:


As much as death reigned, one man and his family found grace in the sight of God

Genesis 6:8

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

What would you say to that?

Goshen360:



I knew it! I knew you CANNOT make anything out INTERPRETING those two scriptures given to you. I know it, unless you have to go to your PhD article. I knew it!



Okay, put it this way and try again. Sin is the trangression of an existing law but when you don't have any law you breaking, what is your sin?

Goshen360: ^ (2) @ Olaadegbu,

Are you still a sinner as a Christian?

shdemidemi:

^^^^ I tire for the guy! Once he sees a question he turns a blind eye

There is no need to teach a pig how to sing because you will only end up annoying the pig as is evident here. In addition to that I will also end up wasting its time.

When there is a genuine need for the teaching of the word I'll gladly oblige. Till then have a field day because I know you've got nothing to lose.

"Give not that which is holy to the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you"

(Matthew 7:6).

Hahahahahahahahaha^^^^

alexleo:

Is it the scripture that all of us are giving various interpretation? Bros don't worry with that your stuff. It is only God who knows those that are his. Anybody can bend the scripture to brand somebody false or true but God is the only one that knows who is true and who is false.

I disagree, the Spirit is not the author of confusion, God's word either corroborates itself or it does not.

The problem is we try to make complex theology out of plain scripture, when Paul warns us thus:

"Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other." - 1 Corinthians 4:6

OLAADEGBU:
There is no need to teach a pig how to sing because you will only end up annoying the pig as is evident here. In addition to that I will also end up wasting its time.

When there is a genuine need for the teaching of the word I'll gladly oblige. Till then have a field day because I know you've got nothing to lose.

(Matthew 7:6).

You see how you have proven yourself to be lazy in spiritual things? You have only swallowed EVERYTHING your PhD said without questioning it like the Bereans but here we helping you question your PhD pastor and you proved not to be able to answer what you copy and paste from your PhD. Wake up! The world is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Goshen360:

You see how you have proven yourself to be lazy in spiritual things? You have only swallowed EVERYTHING your PhD said without questioning it like the Bereans but here we helping you question your PhD pastor and you proved not to be able to answer what you copy and paste from your PhD. Wake up! The world is waiting for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Goshen, you and I know that Ola is scripturally bankrupt, if it's not Henry Morris Phd it's deeperlife , what he needs is some humility, diligence and study, at least for 6 months.

shdemidemi: Hahahahahahahahaha^^^^

I tell you he will run. He can't just explain things he believes because it's all copy and paste job without questioning them nor search the scriptures to see if those copy and paste job are right teachings. He will result to insult and then run away. Can you see the kind of people that wants to be ministers of the new covenant?

Lord, have mercy!

This was a statement made by Jesus to his critics and detractors, when they saw him speaking with the "sinners"...

The hundred was a combination of the Jews and Gentiles belonging to this divine shepherd! The whole of mankind!

A Sheep when lost is incapable of finding its way back to the flock, they bleat for the flock and still run in opposite direction to the place where the flock is, so the Shepherd must go looking for the lost sheep; they are defenceless and more exposed to be devoured. No creature strays more easily than a sheep...None is more heedless....

God comes to us in Salvation.....We don't know how to go to him to be saved...Ye have not chosen me, but I (God) have chosen you...

Obviously the ninety-nine do not need repentance but just that lost one.....The ninety-nine represents the Jewish community and the lost one represents US, the Gentiles...Jesus is sent to save the lost...not the "found"...the self-righteous ones...His critics kept quiet....

1 Timothy 2:1 - 4.