davidylan:

If you believe the above hubris then i have a bridge to sell to you.

Where's your bridge? I'm interested.

Kay 17:

I see God as a contradiction, and as such can not exist.

Oh you see?...

So whatever your subjective mind tells you is a contradiction, automatically does not exist?

Okay, I have heard.

Kay 17:
Technically, atheism doesn't hold any position on cosmology or on the Origin of Life or on evolution! God doesn't simply exist simpliciter.

So mr davidlyan, with due respect you are airing dust more or less.

This is a load of nonsense, coming from people who are supposedly using their brains to think. How can you oppose a particular(religious) point of view on cosmology & origin of life without having any ideas yourself?? If you have no ideas Then on what basis do you evaluate and disagree with others??

Bros, please Use your brain and think for yourself for once, instead of regurgitating quotes, opinions and catch phrases from your cult idols(eg Richard dawkins) without critically processing them to test their validity.

striktlymi:


Oh you see?...

So whatever your subjective mind tells you is a contradiction, automatically does not exist?

Okay, I have heard.

Yes.

If you conclude today that god doesn't exist? It will stop existing. If you conclude that the Big Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, it will start existing. And vice-versa.

okeyxyz:

This is a load of nonsense, coming from people who are supposedly using their brains to think. How can you oppose a particular(religious) point of view on cosmology & origin of life without having any ideas yourself?? If you have no ideas Then on what basis do you evaluate and disagree with others??

Bros, please Use your brain and think for yourself for once, instead of regurgitating quotes, opinions and catch phrases from your cult idols(eg Richard dawkins) without critically processing them to test their validity.

Disagreement is not necessarily an opposition.
The fact that I may not have an opinion on a subject does not automatically make your opinion correct.

HerexG :

And here is my reply to him

I will tell you what He did and does.

When you look at a building, you know you don't need anybody to tell you that some intelligent mind planned and constructed the building. Now look at what i'm also writing here, your common sense would also tell you that someone who has a bright mind is writing it . I want you also to access at the human body , the head comprises of the the brain ( the monitor), eyes (for seeing), nose( for breath), mouth( for speech nd digestion), and this same body now has blood to transport oxygen nd chemical materials. Now this chemical materials and oxygen needs to be transported evenly to the body then here comes the heart .
What i'm trying to figure out here is that , if you think of say there is no very intelligent super being, who has intelligently placed and crafted all these. You cannot tell me something can come out of nothing. You cannot tell me you can have a building without a builder, if God is no ordinary and not in existence why has the human not created man with out sperm cell and the oval eggs.
Have you ever wondered about the galaxy (because this super being knows quite alright the necessity of light to the existence of life), the sun is there for the light during the day and the moon at night, would you tell me that came out randomly or without proper planning, looking at the great distance these satellite are from the earth. I would go on and on to tell you about this great majestic super being you can also see that we have got His kind of creative trait as man looking at the amazing creation man made.
Now talking about what exactly do God do, He is has done everything perfectly and given us all that we need to survive as man but if we still want to connect with Him, we can do that only by Faith. So He does so many things today by faith, "now without faith it is impossible to please God for the one who draws near to Him must believe that He exist and rewards those who's week Him " (Hebrews 11:6).
I will conclude with what the great scientist Albert Einstein said on His own opinion about God " In the view of such harmony inin the cosmos which i, with my limiteded human mind , am able to recognize , there are yet people who say there is no God . But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support of such views. God bless you all.
In God we trust

^^^ This is simply not a sound argument and I'm a christian. Let alone an atheist.

Alfa Seltzer:

Yes.

If you conclude today that god doesn't exist? It will stop existing. If you conclude that the Big Flying Spaghetti Monster exists, it will start existing. And vice-versa.

I conclude that Alfa does not exist...


***checks to see if my conclusion has come to pass***

Edit: Sorry Kay

striktlymi:


I conclude that Alfa does not exist...


***checks to see if my conclusion has come to pass***

Edit: Sorry Kay

Except that there is proof of the existence of Alfa. This makes you look more foolish than claiming the existence of something for which there is no proof, like god. This is why religion thrives; because of lack of proof, not because you have proved anything.

Alfa Seltzer:
Disagreement is not necessarily an opposition.

In other words, if I say: "You are wrong", I'm not necessarily saying "you are wrong" You are not gonna wriggle out of this by playing semantics.

The fact that I may not have an opinion on a subject does not automatically make your opinion correct.

How can you not have an opinion On what basis did you disagree with the other person then?? I honestly don't know how you think the above makes logical sense. Having an opinion doesn't mean you have to convince me but for f@ck sake be a man and stand by your opinions. Even mad men have opinions even if they are wrong. It's laughable that you'd attempt to defend a silly argument by an adult who says he has no opinion, yet he judges another's POV to be wrong. On what basis does he make this judgement if he has no opinion And you say religious people don't think?

Alfa Seltzer:

Except that there is proof of the existence of Alfa. This makes you look more foolish than claiming the existence of something for which there is no proof, like god. This is why religion thrives; because of lack of proof, not because you have proved anything.

So what one can't provide scientific proof for automatically does not exist?...and to think that you did not even catch the sarcasm in my post...bottom line: willing that something does not exist, is a silly way of showing its non-existence...

What's wrong pappy? Satan forgot to fit you with a sarcasm detector?


Your Olodo is worse than I thought

okeyxyz:

In other words, if I say: "You are wrong", I'm not necessarily saying "you are wrong" You are not gonna wriggle out of this by playing semantics.



How can you not have an opinion On what basis did you disagree with the other person then?? I honestly don't know how you think the above makes logical sense. Having an opinion doesn't mean you have to convince me but for f@ck sake be a man and stand by your opinions. Even mad men have opinions even if they are wrong. It's laughable that you'd attempt to defend a silly argument by an adult who says he has no opinion, yet he judges another's POV to be wrong. On what basis does he make this judgement if he has no opinion And you say religious people don't think?

If I tell you that I have a dog that only drinks water, speaks 17 different languages fluently and can have discussions with you about world economics, would you agree or would you say that I was wrong?

striktlymi:


So what one can't provide scientific proof for automatically does not exist?...and to think that you did not even catch the sarcasm in my post...bottom line: willing that something does not exist, is a silly way of showing its non-existence...

What's wrong pappy? Satan forgot to fit you with a sarcasm detector?


Your Olodo is worse than I thought

You got the bolded the other way round. My point is that you can will anything into existence, inside your head. It doesn't apply to things that actually exist, like Alfa. You get it, christian?

Talking about sarcasm, it is very laughable for christians to claim sarcasm when everything you have been preaching can be classed as sarcasm. Was your god being sarcastic when he told you he was coming back? No? Where is he then? Was "ask and it shall be given" a sarcasm? No? Where are them riches then? Maybe the world needs a christian sarcasm detector.

Hehe. Christians. I wish I can study your brain process.

Alfa Seltzer:

If I tell you that I have a dog that only drinks water, speaks 17 different languages fluently and can have discussions with you about world economics, would you agree or would you say that I was wrong?

As a response to okeyxyz's point, this makes no sense. I would say you are wrong BECAUSE i know that dogs cannot speak. If i had never seen a dog before then i would be unable to take a definitive position on your claims.

davidylan:

As a response to okeyxyz's point, this makes no sense. I would say you are wrong BECAUSE i know that dogs cannot speak. If i had never seen a dog before then i would be unable to take a definitive position on your claims.

Firstly, you have no proof that I don't have any such dog. Secondly in okeyxyz's world, even donkeys speak, so why not a dog?

Alfa Seltzer:

You got the bolded the other way round. My point is that you can will anything into existence, inside your head. It doesn't apply to things that actually exist, like Alfa. You get it, christian?

Olodo, you can't just will anything into existence...if something is a figment of the imagination...it remains that: a figment of the imagination...it does not come to existence because you willed it.

Unlike a figment of the imagination which does not leave any trail of its existence behind, God left a whole lot of traces behind in the event that some persons lost their way...

Incase you have not noticed, there is something called a world which we all live in, and I bet you it did not just jump out from the blues...

You get it, Satanist?

Alfa Seltzer:
Talking about sarcasm, it is very laughable for christians to claim sarcasm when everything you have been preaching can be classed as sarcasm. Was your god being sarcastic when he told you he was coming back? No? Where is he then? Was "ask and it shall be given" a sarcasm? No? Where are them riches then?

Hehe. Christians. I wish I can study your brain process.

This Olodo virus is really spreading fast and hitting some persons very hard...don't talk about things you know little or nothing about, it does not suit you.

Alfa Seltzer:

Firstly, you have no proof that I don't have any such dog. Secondly in okeyxyz's world, even donkeys speak, so why not a dog?

This is sheer idiocy. I'm not interested in whether you have a dog or not. i simply base my decision to believe you or not on whether i know if other dogs behave similarly.

Secondly... donkey's speak in the bible under express direction of God. Nowhere are we told to expect animals to speak regularly.

striktlymi:

Olodo, you can't just will anything into existence...if something is a figment of the imagination...it remains that: a figment of the imagination...it does not come to existence because you willed it.

Unlike a figment of the imagination which does not leave any trail of its existence behind, God left a whole lot of traces behind in the event that some persons lost their way...

Incase you have not noticed, there is something called a world which we all live in, and I bet you it did not just jump out from the blues...

You get it, Satanist?

Typical christian, ignoring my words even though I bolded them for him. Your god exists in your head only. Nowhere else. He left trails, in your head. Nowhere else.

The existence of earth proves the existence of earth. Not the existence of your god.

striktlymi: This Olodo virus is really spreading fast and hitting some persons very hard...don't talk about things you know little or nothing about, it does not suit you.

Classic christianity: resort to insult when beaten logically.

davidylan:

This is sheer idiocy. I'm not interested in whether you have a dog or not. i simply base my decision to believe you or not on whether i know if other dogs behave similarly.

Secondly... donkey's speak in the bible under express direction of God. Nowhere are we told to expect animals to speak regularly.

So you are saying that it is absolutely impossible that I have a divine dog that can do all that I said? And you insist it thus despite having absolutely no proof that it is not true but based solely on your knowledge of other dogs that are not divine?

Alfa Seltzer:
Classic christianity: resort to insult when beaten logically.

Classic atheism... insult the intelligence of christians then whine about "insults" when you are treated with the same condescension that you mete out to others.

Alfa Seltzer:
If I tell you that I have a dog that only drinks water, speaks 17 different languages fluently and can have discussions with you about world economics, would you agree or would you say that I was wrong?

I would either say: "I believe you because..."
or
"I don't believe you because...".

But to say:
"I don't believe you for no reason"

is just simply stup.id.

okeyxyz:

I would either say: "I believe you because..."
or
"I don't believe you because...".

But to say "I don't believe you for no reason" is just simply stup.id.

Or you can say, "I will believe when I see proof"

Alfa Seltzer:

So you are saying that it is absolutely impossible that I have a divine dog that can do all that I said? And you insist it thus despite having absolutely no proof that it is not true but based solely on your knowledge of other dogs that are not divine?

the point is simple... i disagree that you have a dog that speaks based on an opinion that dogs i have seen for millions of years have never spoken..

The KEY point is this - disagreeing with an opinion means you do have a counter argument on which your disagreement is based. That is quite different from the disingenous atheist position that you can reject the belief in a god while claiming to have no counter opinion.

davidylan:

Classic atheism... insult the intelligence of christians then whine about "insults" when you are treated with the same condescension that you mete out to others.

One needs to have intelligence in the first place before claiming that it was insulted.

okeyxyz:

I would either say: "I believe you because..."
or
"I don't believe you because...".

But to say:
"I don't believe you for no reason"

is just simply stup.id.

Its actually not stupi.d, it is a very disingenous, sneaky, dishonest tactic by the ignorant atheist. He wants the privilege of yelling for "evidence" from christians while NEVER having to answer for the logical inadequacies of his own position.

Alfa Seltzer:

One needs to have intelligence in the first place before claiming that it was insulted.

Well, i'm assuming you wont be whining about being insulted tomorrow.

Alfa Seltzer:

Typical christian, ignoring my words even though I bolded them for him. Your god exists in your head only. Nowhere else. He left trails, in your head. Nowhere else.

The existence of earth proves the existence of earth. Not the existence of your god.




Classic christianity: resort to insult when beaten logically.

The existence of the Earth proves the existence of the Earth? LWKMD!!!...and when I call you a heavy duty Olodo you would say I am insulting you...

davidylan:

the point is simple... i disagree that you have a dog that speaks based on an opinion that dogs i have seen for millions of years have never spoken..

The KEY point is this - disagreeing with an opinion means you do have a counter argument on which your disagreement is based. That is quite different from the disingenous atheist position that you can reject the belief in a god while claiming to have no counter opinion.

You miss the point and you deliberately avoid the question.

Are you saying that the existence of this my divine dog is impossible?

Alfa Seltzer:

You miss the point and you deliberately avoid the question.

Are you saying that the existence of this my divine dog is impossible?

Actually the point was exactly what i stated. Your dog analogy was in response to okeyxyz's issue with atheists who claim that it is logical to disagree with christians while holding no alternative viewpoint. The rest of your diatribe is ACTUALLY the irrelevant side issue.

striktlymi:


The existence of the Earth proves the existence of the Earth? LWKMD!!!...and when I call you a heavy duty Olodo you would say I am insulting you...

Yes. It doesn't prove Oduduwa or Ra. It just proves earth. If you find that funny, you need to go back to school.

Please somebody help me know what is wrong with christians' brains.

striktlymi:


The existence of the Earth proves the existence of the Earth? LWKMD!!!...and when I call you a heavy duty Olodo you would say I am insulting you...

lol somethings are just better ignored.

Alfa Seltzer:

Yes. It doesn't prove Oduduwa or Ra. It just proves earth. If you find that funny, you need to go back to school.

Please somebody help me know what is wrong with christians' brains.

classic atheist... when in a pickle, just insult the intelligence of your opponent.

davidylan:

lol somethings are just better ignored.

follow follow sheeple. "earth proves Yahweh not earth". See how that sounds.