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Re: Euthanasia by Nobody: 1:12pm On Jun 08, 2013
i dont know what to say as i am not in the position.
but i am sure that's a tough decision for anyone to make.

talk about ultimate sacrifice. undecided
Re: Euthanasia by Nobody: 1:18pm On Jun 08, 2013
Evil Brain: The problem with euthanasia is that some elderly or sick people may be pressured by relatives to take their own lives when they don't want to. Its not uncommon for very old people to have children who want them gone for their inheritance, or just to avoid the stress of taking care of them. I've actually been approached once by a useless guy who asked me if I could make his aged mother (my patient) pass on faster. Allowing euthanasia would give scumbags like him a legal way to get what he wanted. Old and sick people are the most vulnerable to suggestion, manipulation and pressure. It would be terrible if such people start being made to feel that they are being selfish or inconsiderate to their loved ones just by being alive.

Of course, I understand the need to help those who are suffering with terminal illnesses go out with dignity and without pain; but we should always be mindful of unintended consequences.


I agree with you.

another issue is the exact opposite of what you described. for instance the patients would prefer to end their lives but [selfish] loved ones would try to fight the decision and want them to stay "out of love". If a family member of mine was in excruciating pain and wanted to go out quicker no doubt i would be sad and miss them but i'd have to respect their choice.

if i were in the position, i'd hope they'd do the same. undecided
Re: Euthanasia by wiegraf: 2:44pm On Jun 08, 2013
Alfa Seltzer:

There is a direct victim in euthanasia, albeit a willing one. But still a victim. If a terrorist knows that he would be tortured if captured, but still puts himself in a situation where he is captured and tortured, would you say he is not a victim as he brought it upon himself? I don't think so. There are also many collateral victims of euthanasia.

Both these are not victims.

You've sort of been implicitly implying there's something objectively good about being alive, I'm obviously not in that camp. This is a key point of contention. Like all things morality, it's subjective, just as you yourself pointed out and @alfa highlighted. In both these cases, no victims, death is their goal or aim, their desired outcome.

Even if you argue that life is (usually) programmed by default to selfishly protect itself, this view point doesn't hold for a variety of reasons (eg, supposed free will or the nature of our consciousness).

As for the greater good, that's a collective effort that shouldn't override individual wills for trivial reasons. We both understand that I suppose, so the nature of assisted suicide is being debated.

Also, just for reference, note obvious difference between terrorist and assisted suicide. Terrorist is infringing on the rights of others with his actions thereby creating victims, hence the need to stop him. Not so with assisted suicide.

Alfa Seltzer:
Not withstanding, my argument was more about human interests in euthanasia staying illegal despite its necessity in extremely rare occasions.

Here is the sort of middle ground we have. I understand your concerns for slippery slopes, they are very valid (and hence we 3rd worlders very obviously disqualify). But in some other regions cases with merit need to be considered.
Re: Euthanasia by Avicenna: 9:29am On Jun 10, 2013
wiegraf:

I love am. But I still haven't finished his book...how many years.. probably to do with that lazyness thing...

Have you tried epubs? I love those too. But you still need a device with a fairly big screen, most androids would suffice though. They're obviously much more superior to say pdfs when reading on mobile devices

Ok, thanks.
I will try that. But if it hurt my eyes..................
I will be back.
Re: Euthanasia by Avicenna: 9:30am On Jun 10, 2013
wiegraf:

I love am. But I still haven't finished his book...how many years.. probably to do with that lazyness thing...

Have you tried epubs? I love those too. But you still need a device with a fairly big screen, most androids would suffice though. They're obviously much more superior to say pdfs when reading on mobile devices
Re: Euthanasia by Avicenna: 9:34am On Jun 10, 2013
musKeeto:
A friend I had the discussion with claims it isn't. Rather, it was based on occupation. Merchants, tailors, farmers.. all divided along these lines..

Personally, after having lived here for over 3 years now, I've noticed that those of darker skin are usually from lower castes. Most Indians would quickly deny it, but skin color's a real issue here. Most of the clerks, security men and cleaners are dark skinned. The 'ogas at the top' are usually light skinned..

No dey laff my username joor... tongue

Sorry about the Username......I just can't help it gringrin muskeeeeeto- man, I CAN'T help it

This religions sef, is there nothing redeemable about them? Violence, segregation, racism, delusion, WTF?
Re: Euthanasia by Avicenna: 9:38am On Jun 10, 2013
Logicboy03:


Did you also notice the bleaching creams? Gaddem....indians dey bleach....it is now even normal for brides to go through bleaching process before the wedding.

Also an indian/asian mag came under fire for using only light skinned indian models

Who wouldn't ?
I'd bleach like my life depended on it.

All those beautiful indian chicks on TV, very light skinned......................oh, it makes sense now.
I don't think I have ever seen a dark skinned lead actor/actress in an Indian film.
Unfortunate.

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