I use to think good non xtiaans could make heaven but people keep telling me #esus is rhe only way.

Isnt it unfair?

To the Christians, Jesus is the only way.

The Muslims believe that's heresy.

Surah 5:72-73, 5:75 “They do blaspheme who say: “God is Christ the son of Mary.” They do blaspheme who say: God is one of three in a trinity: for there is no God except one God Allah. If they do not desist from their word of blasphemy, verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Christ the son of Mary was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him.”

Sura 43:59 states “Jesus was no more than a mortal whom Allah favored and made an example to the Israelites. They are unbelievers who say God is Messiah, Mary’s son.”

It's 50/50. Pick your choice and live with it.

Morning Tobe,

I don't know those who tell you that good non-Christians are candidates for hell but what I do know is that the last time I checked you were a Catholic and the Church has not taught this doctrine.

It is true that anyone who makes heaven, MUST do so through Christ but the question is HOW?? If one goes through Sacred scriptures and come out with the conclusion that only Christians (as defined by many) will make heaven then I laugh at the face of that individual.

The bottom line is that every one has an equal opportunity of making heaven and it is impossible for one who through no fault of his, finds himself in some other religion or irreligion, to make hell, as long as the individual is sincere and does what is right in line with the principles of right conscience.

Now let me ask you this question: Do you think that a man who was taught from childhood that bad is good while good is bad all through his life and sincerely holds this to be true without any plausible reason to doubt this, will be thrown in hell?

striktlymi: Morning Tobe,

I don't know those who tell you that good non-Christians are candidates for hell but what I do know is that the last time I checked you were a Catholic and the Church has not taught this doctrine.

It is true that anyone who makes heaven, MUST do so through Christ but the question is HOW?? If one goes through Sacred scriptures and come out with the conclusion that only Christians (as defined by many) will make heaven then I laugh at the face of that individual.

The bottom line is that every one has an equal opportunity of making heaven and it is impossible for one who through no fault of his, finds himself in some other religion or irreligion, to make hell, as long as the individual is sincere and does what is right in line with the principles of right conscience.

Now let me ask you this question: Do you think that a man who was taught from childhood that bad is good while good is bad all through his life and sincerely holds this to be true without any plausible reason to doubt this, will be thrown in hell?

@bold
See lies! Didnt the catholic church even go as far as to teach that even non-catholic christians will go to hell?


What you are preaching is a reformed catholic belief and not the original.

Logicboy03:

@bold
See lies! Didnt the catholic church even go as far as to teach that even non-catholic christians will go to hell?


What you are preaching is a reformed catholic belief and not the original.

Olodo! That teaching has not changed.

striktlymi:

Olodo! That teaching has not changed.

Yeah, right....smh

Logicboy03:


Yeah, right....smh

For one who claim to be an ex Catholic, you really know so little about things Catholic.

striktlymi:

For one who claim to be an ex Catholic, you really know so little about things Catholic.

Dont even go there.....

You merely adopted catholicism. I was born in it, molded by it, I didnt see any other church until I was already man.

Logicboy03:


Dont even go there.....

You merely adopted catholicism. I was born in it, molded by it, I didnt see any other church until I was already man.

Just like Africans would say, the origin of man started here in Africa and yet they are at the bottom of the food chain...

This Olodo does not know that one can be born into a family where everyone is a genius and turn out a dunce!

musKeeto:

It's 50/50. Pick your choice and live with it.

I think the odds are much more slimmer than that...

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striktlymi:

Just like Africans would say, the origin of man started here in Africa and yet they are at the bottom of the food chain...

This Olodo does not know that one can be born into a family where everyone is a genius and turn out a dunce!

Wait does the origin of man have to be at the top of the food chain?

Guess, you havent heard of Bane

Logicboy03:


Wait does the origin of man have to be at the top of the food chain?

Oh men...losing your ability to comprehend?

Your trolling is becoming annoying...if you must troll, try and make it intelligent at least.

striktlymi:

Oh men...losing your ability to comprehend?

Your trolling is becoming annoying...if you must troll, try and make it intelligent at least.

Sir, SIR!!!!

I dont troll, I just dish out butthurt

Logicboy03:


Sir, SIR!!!!

I dont troll, I just dish out butthurt

Explains a lot...now if you do not mind, folks would want this thread to be educative...

At least the true position needs to come out some time and not the position held by individuals who either misinterpret Sacred scriptures (or Catholic teachings) or misrepresent same.

striktlymi:

Explains a lot...now if you do not mind, folks would want this thread to be educative...

At least the true position needs to come out some time and not the position held by individuals who either misinterpret Sacred scriptures (or Catholic teachings) or misrepresent same.

Whatever, you lied about the catholic teachings. They once taught that only catholics could make it to heaven.


Also, yes it is unfair that only christians will go to heaven. Are you telling me that a child molester that will repent on the last day is a better candidate for heaven than a pagan who has done charity work all his life?

Logicboy03:

@bold
See lies! Didnt the catholic church even go as far as to teach that even non-catholic christians will go to hell?


What you are preaching is a reformed catholic belief and not the original.

mr logic can u substantiate ur claim above by showing us where u saw d teachings because i av perosed my entire brain and leafed thru the pages of catholic doctrines on cathechism yet i cant find this fallacious post of yours.

Logicboy03:
Whatever, you lied about the catholic teachings. They once taught that only catholics could make it to heaven.

Now, lie down before you hurt yourself...let me try and explain things to you...**if only you spent some time knowing your faith when you were a Catholic, this wouldn't have been necessary**

It is no news that Sacred scriptures is often misinterpreted, misrepresented and misapplied...Sacred scriptures was written largely by 'Bishops', subject to the ratification of Peter (the Chief Bishop)...don't ask me how I know, just focus on the point I am trying to make here.

The teachings in Sacred scriptures can be divided into two: Divine and Church teachings. Divine teachings are revelations from God directly which no man can change...the best we can do as Christians is get deeper understandings of these teachings and how they apply to humans.

Church teachings on the other hand, are teachings which do not contradict any divine law and are considered good for Christian living...these teachings are subject to change at any time...

The Catholic Church operates these to this very day...the teaching that only Catholics will make heaven is a dogma of the Church, or better still, it is a teaching that is of divine origin, and as such, it CANNOT be changed. We can only get a better understanding of it.

When the Catholic Church says only Catholics will make heaven, she is not saying that everyone who is outside the 'Catholic church' here on Earth will not make heaven...she is only saying that anyone who makes heaven is in union with the Catholic church here on Earth, whether the individual recognises this or not is quite immaterial.

The question then is: How does one be in union with the church here on Earth? Does the individual need to recognise the supremacy of the pope? Not necessarily!...Does the individual need accept that the Catholic church is the true church? Not necessarily...so what then?

I have tried to explain this to you as one who has a Catholic background...like I said, this would not have been necessary if you took some of your time to study and understand the church's teachings while you were a Catholic.

Logicboy03:
Also, yes it is unfair that only christians will go to heaven.

Heaven is for everyone, not just 'Christians'...Everyone who makes heaven is a Christian but not everyone who makes heaven was a Christian...if you understand this then there won't be any need for further clarifications.

Logicboy03:
Are you telling me that a child molester that will repent on the last day is a better candidate for heaven than a pagan who has done charity work all his life?

If the child molester is truly repentant then he is a candidate for heaven just like the pagan, if and only if this pagan is sincere in whatever he is doing and does right in line with the principles of right conscience.

domcarez:
mr logic can u substantiate ur claim above by showing us where u saw d teachings because i av perosed my entire brain and leafed thru the pages of catholic doctrines on cathechism yet i cant find this fallacious post of yours.

Logicboy spoke the truth!...see my response above for further clarification!

What will guarantee anyone to make heaven is not the amount of good work he or she does in his/her life time but to confess Jesus as Lord and personal savior.
if you like be born into christian home all your life, go to church all your life, go for confession all your life, do good all your life and you don't have Jesus as your lord and personal savior; na sorry be your name. On the last day, every body go smell in mama yash.

Yomii: What will guarantee anyone to make heaven is not the amount of good work he or she does in his/her life time but to confess Jesus as Lord and personal savior.
if you like be born into christian home all your life, go to church all your life, go for confession all your life, do good all your life and you don't have Jesus as your lord and personal savior; na sorry be your name. On the last day, every body go smell in mama yash.

Hallo Yomi,

Do I make heaven if I confess Jesus as Lord and make him my personal savior but still engage in 'bad works'?