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Quran & Bible in the light of Science -
Zakir Naik vs William Campbell
(Dr. William Campbell) Greetings to
Dr. Naik, who came… almost surely
came the farthest. Greetings to Sabeel
Ahmed, and Mohammed Naik, and
greetings to the organising committee.
Calling this... ‘The ultimate dialogue’ – It
is a bit of an exaggeration - But it is good
advertising. And greetings to you the
audience. I would like to also bring
greetings in the name of Yehowah or
better known as Jehowah the great
Creator God, who loves us. I wish to start
by speaking about words. Tonight we are
going to speak about the words of the
Bible, and the words of the Qur’an. The
scholars of modern linguistics tell us...‘A
word, a phrase or sentence means, what
it meant to the speaker, and the person
or crowd of people listening. In the case
of the Qur’an, what it meant to
Mohammed, and those listening to him.
In the case of the Bible, what it meant to
Moses or Jesus, or those listening to
them. To check this we have the context
of all the usage in the Bible or the
Qur’an. In addition, there is the poetry
and letters of that century - For the
Gospel, the first century A.D... for the
Qur’an the 1st century of the Hijra. If we
are going to follow the truth, we may not
make up new meanings. If we are
seriously after truth, there are no
permissible lies. Here is an example of
what I am taking about - We can have
the first slide here. This is talking about
two dictionaries, that I have in my home
- One from 1951 and 1991. In these two
dictionaries, the first meaning ‘pig’... ‘a
young swine of either sex’ - is the same.
The second meaning... ‘any swine or
hog’, ‘any wild or domestic swine’ - It is
the same. Third... ‘the flesh of swine…
pork’ - it is the same. Then the meaning
of... ‘person or animals of piggish habits’
- It is the same... ‘A person who is
gluttonous.’ And down here, pouring
metal into a pit, for pig iron, is the same.
But over here, is a new meaning. A
police officer… we call police officers
‘pigs.’ All right the question is – ‘In the
Torah, it says you cannot eat pigs. Or can
I turn around and say… ‘O yes! That
means police officers - You cannot eat
police officers.’ Off course not. In the
Qur’an, Allah says… ‘You cannot eat
pigs.’ Can I translate it… ‘Cannot eat
police officers ?’ No! it is wrong - It would
be stupid - It would be lying actually.
Mohammed did not mean… ‘police
officers’ - Moses did not mean… ‘police
officers.’ We may not have any new
meanings. We must use the meanings
known in the first century A.D. for the
Bible or that is for the Gospel, and the
first century of the Hijra, for the Qur’an.
Now let us look at what the Qur’an is
going… says about ‘Embryology.’ Oh
sorry! Got the wrong thing. It is been
said that the idea of the embryo
developing through stages, is a modern
one - And the Qur’an is anticipating
modern embryology, by depicting
different stages. In his pamphlet
entitled… ‘Highlights of human
Embryology’ by Keith Moore - Dr. Moore
claims… ‘The realization of the embryo
develops in stages in the uterus was not
discussed to illustrate it, until the 15th
century.’ We will weigh this claim by
considering the meaning of the Arabic
words used by the Qur’an. And secondly,
by examining the historical situation
leading upto, and surrounding the
Qur’an. We will start by looking at the
main words using the word ‘Alaqa’ - main
verses. The Arabic word ‘Alaqa’ in the
singular, or ‘Alaq’ as the collective plural,
is used six times. In the Surah of ‘The
Resurrection’, ‘AL-Qayamat’, 75 : 35 to
39, we read… ‘Was he man, not a drop
of sperm ejaculated, then he became
‘Alaqa’, and God shaped and formed,
and made of him a pair – the male and
the female.’ In the Surah of ‘The
Believer’ – Al Momin, 40:67, it says… ‘He
it is who created you from dust, then
from a sperm drop, then from a leech
like clot

- ‘Alaqa.’ Then brings you forth
as a child, that perhaps you may
understand. In the Surah of ‘The
Pilgrimage’ – Al-Hajj, 22:5, it says… ‘O
mankind! If you have doubt about the
resurrection, consider that we have
created you from dust. Then from a drop
of seed, then from a clot ‘Alaqa’, then
from a little lump of flesh, shapely and
shapeless. And finally the following
statement is there in the Surah of ‘The
Believers’, Al-Mominun, 23:12 to 14,
which reads… ‘Verily, We created man
from a product of wet earth, then placed
him as a drop of seed, in a safe lodging.
Then We fashioned the drop of clot -
‘Alaqa’, and of the clot, We fashioned a
lump, and of the lump We fashioned
bones, and We clothed the bones with
meat. Then We produced it as another
creation. And here you have the stages
according to the Qur’an… ‘Nutfa’ …
‘sperm’, ‘Alaqa’ … ‘clot’, ‘Mudgha’ …
‘piece of meat’, ‘Azaam’ … ‘bones’, and
the fifth stage – ‘dressing the bones with
muscles. Over the last hundred plus
years, this word ‘Alaqa’, has been
translated as follows. There is ten
translations here - I am not going to read
them all. 3 are in French, - (French),
(French), (French), or a ‘clot of blood’, 3
versions… 5 versions are English, where
it is either ‘clot’ or ‘a leech like clot’, 1
version is in Indonesian, at the bottom
there… ‘Siganpaudara’, ‘lump clot’, or ‘a
clot of blood’ and the last one is Parsi –
‘Khunbasfa’ … ‘a clot of blood’. As every
reader who has studied human
reproduction would realize, there is no
stage, as a ‘clot’, during the formation of
a fetus. So this is a very major scientific
problem. In the dictionary it is a word,
and the only meanings given for ‘Alaqa’
in this feminine singular, are ‘clot’ and
‘leech’ -

- And in North Africa, both of
these meanings are still used. Many
patients have come to me to ask for a
clot to be removed from their throat, …
and many women have come to me and
told me their period did not come. When
I say… ‘I am sorry, I cannot give you
medicine to bring your period, because I
believe that is a baby.’ The will say
‘Mazaaltem’- It is still blood.’ So they
were understanding these ideas of the
Qur’an. Lastly we must consider the first
verses which came to Mohammed, in
Mecca. These are found in the 96th
Surah called ‘Alaqa’ … ‘Clots’ - from the
very word, that we are studying. In 96:
1, 2, we … read… ‘Proclaim in the name
of your Lord, who created.’ Created man
from ‘Alaq’. Here the word is in the
collective form. This form of the word
can have other meanings, because ‘Alaq’
is also the derived verbal noun of the
word ‘Alaqa’. The verbal noun usually
corresponds to ‘dejerant’, in English as in
a sense … ‘Swimming is fun’. Therefore
we could expect it to mean hanging or
clinging or adhering. But the ten
translators listed above have all used
‘clot’ or ‘congealed blood’ in this verse
too. In spite of the number and
qualifications of these translators who
used the word ‘clot’, the French Doctor,
Maurice Bucaille has sharp words for
them. He writes … ‘What is more likely
to mislead the enquiring reader, is once
again the problem of vocabulary?’ The
majority of translations describe - for
example, man’s formation … from a
blood clot. A statement of this kind is
totally unacceptable to Scientists
specialising in the field. This shows how
great the importance of an association,
between linguistic and scientific
knowledge is, when it comes to grasping
the meaning of Qur’anic statements, on
reproduction. Put in other words, Bucaille
is saying …‘No body has translated the
Qur’an correctly, until I Dr. Bucaille came
along.’ How does Dr. Bucaille think that
it should be translated? He proposes that
instead of ‘clot’, the word ‘Alaqa’ should
be translated as, ‘something which
clings’, which would refer to the fetus
being attached to the uterus through the
placenta. But as all you ladies who have
been pregnant now, the thing which
clings, does not stop its clinging to
become chewed meat. It keeps on being
a thing which clings, which is attached
by the placenta for 8 and a half months.
Thirdly, these verses say that…‘The
chewed meat becomes bones, and then
the bones are covered with muscles.
They give the impression that first the
skeleton is formed and then it is clothed
with flesh - And Dr. Bucaille knows
perfectly well, that this is not true. The
muscles and the cartilage precusses of
the bones, start forming from the solmite
at the same time. At the end of the 8th
week, there are only a few centers of
calcification started - But the fetus is
already able to make muscular
movement. In a personal letter from Dr.
T.W. Sadler, who is associate Professor in
Embryo Anatomy, and the author of
‘Langman’s Medical Embryology’, Dr.
Sadler states … ‘At the eight week post
perozation, the ribs would be
cartilaginous … not bones - And muscles
will be present’. Also at this time,
calcification will just begin. Muscles
would be capable of some movement at
8 weeks. It is always better to have two
witnesses, so we shall see what Dr. Keith
Moore has to say about the development
of bones and muscles, in his book ‘The
Developing Human’. Extracted from the
Chapters 15 and 17, we find the
following information: The skeletal
system develops from mesoderm. The
limb muscles develop in the limb buds
that are derived from this somatic
mesoderm. We see that here on this
slide. It is difficult perhaps to see, but
there is the limb bud, and then here
there is just the little bit of cartilage with
the muscles around. Here there is more
cartilage, and this is the whole bud. The
bones are formed and in the form of
bones, but it is all cartilage - No bones
yet. The second slide shows how it
forms.

Here is the… here is the cartilage.
Though it is just the bone it looks like
cartilage, and then it starts to have some
calcium deposited, and then it starts to
have calcification, and bone formed. As
the bone marrow is formed … sorry, I
want to go back to this. As the bone
marrow is formed, mild blast develop a
large muscle mass in each limb bud,
separating into extensive reflexive
muscles. In other words, the limb
muscles develops simultaneously, for the
mezincaine surrounding the developing
bones. So there is the cartilage, and
here are the muscles developing around
the cartilage. During a personal
conversation with Dr. Moore, I showed
him Dr. Salder’s statement, and he
agreed that it was absolutely valid.
Conclusion: Dr. Salder and Dr. Moore
agree - There is no time when calcified
bones have been formed, and then the
muscles are placed around them. The
muscles are there, several weeks before
there are calcified bones, rather than
being added around previously formed
bones, as the Qur’an states. The Qur’an
is in complete error here. The problems
are far from being solved. Let us return
to the ‘Alaqa’ - Dr. Moore also has a
suggestion. He says… ‘Another Verse, in
the Qur’an refers to the leech like
appearance, and the chewed like stages
of human development’. From this
definition, Dr. Moore has gone ahead to
propose…‘There are 23-30 day ------ a 23
day embryo – 3 millimeters long - that is
an 8th of an inch. I can hardly put my
fingers there lose together without
touching. This is stage 10, shown on the
inside cover of Moore’s book. This is the
beginning, and here is the sperm
entering the egg - So that is stage 1.
Comes down here to stage 6th in the
second week. And here is the 3rd week.
And there is the first stage 10, and here
is day 23, and this is what Dr. Moore
wants to say… ‘looks like a leech’. If we
could look further though, and look at
the X-Ray… Here is day 22 and the back
bone is still open. And when we look at
day 23 the back bone is open there, and
it is open there, and the head is wide
open - It does not look like a leech at all.
And if you keep on this is the diagram of
it -The head is open, the nogstral
neurropore, and finally this diagram
shows there is the 20 day embryo. It is
got a yolk sac, it is got an umbilicus - It
does not look like a leech at all. The
problem… the great problem with these
two definitions for the word ‘Alaqa’, is
that no confirming examples have been
provided, from the Arabic used.

In the
centuries surrounding the Hijr, the only
way to establish the meaning of the
word, is by usage. The only way to
establish whether the singular form
‘Alaqa’ can mean a 3 millimeters
‘embryo’, or ‘the thing that clings’, is to
bring census, demonstrating this usage
from the letter, throughout the Arabs of
Mecca and Medina, close to the time of
Mohammed, especially from the
language of the Quresh. This will not be
an easy task because much work has
already been done on the clear Arabic,
of the Quresh. The early Muslims
understood intuitively, the need to know
exactly what the Qur’anic words mean -
And for this reason they make
comprehensive studies of their language
and poetry. Hence Abu Bakr, former
Rector of ‘The Main Mask in ‘pairs’,
brought up this subject at a conference,
under one God in Munkalia, 1985. He
posed the question to the
audience…‘Has the comprehend of the
text of the Qur’an, known at the time of
Mohammed remained stable?’ And his
answer was…‘Ancient poetry shows that
it has’. We can only conclude…‘If the
verses which bring spiritual comfort and
hope to Muslims have remained stable,
then the scientific statements
embedded in those Verses, must also be
accepted as stable, unless new evidence
can be brought forward’. This is
especially important, since some of the
Verses say that this information is a sign.
The Surah of ‘The Believers’ we saw
above, says … ‘He it is, who created you
from dust, then from a sperm drop, then
from a clot… ‘Alaqa’ that perhaps you
may understand’. And in the Surah of
‘The Pilgrimage’, He said… ‘O mankind!
If you have doubt about the resurrection,
consider. Therefore the question must
be asked…‘If it was a clear sign to the
men and women of Mecca and Medina,
what did they understand from the word
‘Alaqa’ which would lead them to faith,
in the resurrection?’ The answer : We
are going to examine the historical
situation leading up to the time of
Mohammed, to see what Mohammed and
his people believed about embryology.
We will start with Apocrities. According
to the best evidence, he was born on the
Greek island of Kuss, in 460 B.C. And he
has stages. His stages are as follows -
The sperm is a product which comes
from the whole body of each parent -
Weak sperm coming from the weak parts
and strong sperm from the strong parts.
Then he goes ahead and talks about the
coagulation of the mother’s blood. The
seed embryo, then is contained in the
membrane. Moreover it grows because
of it’s mother’s blood, which descends to
the womb - For once a woman conceives,
she ceases to menstruate. Then about
flesh - He says… ‘At this stage, with the
descend in coagulation of the mother’s
blood , flesh begins to be formed with
the umbilicus. And lastly bones - He
says…‘As the flesh grows it is formed in
this distinct members, by breath. The
bones grow hard, and send out
….branches like a tree. Next we will look
at Aristotle. In his book on the
generation of animals, sometime about
350 B.C., he gives his stages of
embryology and he talks about ‘first
semen’ and ‘menstrual blood’ or
‘catemania’.

In this section, Aristotle
speaks of the male semen, as being in a
pure state. It follows, that what the
female would contribute to the semen of
the male, would be material for the
semen to work on. In other words, the
semen clots the menstrual blood. Then
he goes to flesh. He says natural forms
this from the purest material… ‘the
flesh’, and from the residue there are, it
forms bones. And lastly around the flesh
around the bones, and attached to them
by thin fibrous bands, grow the fleshly
parts. Clearly, the Qur’an follows this
exactly. Sperm clotting in the menstrual
blood which forms meat - then the bones
are formed and lastly around about the
bones grow the fleshly parts. Next we
will consider, Indian medicine. The
opinion of Sharaka in 123 A.D., and
Shushruta is that…“Both, the male and
female contributed seed. The secretion
of the male is called the sukra… semen.
The secretion of the woman is called the
Artava… sanita… blood. And it is derived
from the blood by way of …..food, by
way of blood” Here we see that in the
mandeson of India, they too had the idea
that the child was formed from semen
and blood. Now we shall look at Galen.
Galen was born in 131 A.D, in Bergamum
- Modern Bergamum in Turkey. Galen
says… Semen, the substance from which
the fetus is formed, is not merely
menstrual blood, as Aristotle maintained
- But menstrual blood plus the two
semen. The Qur’an agrees with Galen
here, when it says in Surah 76:2, ‘We
created man from a drop of mingled
sperm’. Now we look at the Galen
stages. Galen also taught that the
embryo developed in stages. The first is
that, in which the form of the semen
prevails. The next stage is, when it has
been filled with blood - And heart and
brain and liver are still unarticulated and
unshaped. This is the period that
Hypocrites called ‘fetus’. The Qur’anic
Surah 22:5 reflects this saying…‘Then
out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed
and partly unformed. And now the third
period of gestation has come. This….
thus, nature caused flesh to grow on and
around all the bones. We saw above that
the Qur’an agrees with this. In Surah
23:14, where it says… ‘And We clothe
the bones with meat’. The fourth and
final period…Sorry, the fourth and final
period, is at the stage when all the parts
in the limbs have been differentiated.
Galen was so important in medicine, that
just about the time of the Hijra, 4
leading medical men in Alexandria,
Egypt, decided to form a Medical School,
using 16 books of Galen, as the basis of
the studies. This continued up to, and
including the 13th century. We must
now ask ourselves - What was the
political, economic and medical situation
in Arabia, at the time of Mohammed?
From the Hajramount in Yemen, the
caravans of the spice trade past North,
through Mecca and Medina, and then
reached into all of Europe. In North
Arabia, in about 500 A.D., the Gazaneeds
took over, and by 528, they controlled
the Cyrian deserts over to the outskirts
of Medina. ‘Syraic’… a form of Aramaic,
related to Arabic, was their official
language. As early as 463, the Jews
translated the Torah and Old Testament
from Hebrew, into ‘Syriac’ - The British
Museum has a copy.
This made it available to the Guscians,
who were Christians and to the Jewish
tribes in Arabia. During this time Syrgius
Cyrra Cynie who died in Constantinople
in 536, one of the earliest and greatest
translators from Greek into Syraic,
translated various works on medicine,
including 26 works of Galen. This made
them available in the kingdom of Kasrov
I, in Persia and to the Ghasan tribe,
whose influence extended to the
outskirts of Medina. Kasrov I, Arabic
Khisra, King of Persia, was known as
Kasrov the great. His troops conquered
areas as far away as Yemen - And he also
loved learning, and started several -
schools. The school of Jundi Shapueer
became during Kasrov first’s long reign
of 48 years - The greatest intellectual
center of the time. Within it’s walls
Greek, Jewish, Nostorian, Persian and
Hindu thoughts and experience were
freely exchanged. Teaching was done
largely in Syriac - from Syraic
translations of Greek texts. This method
Aristotle, Hypocates and Galen were
readily available when the Medical
School of Jundi Shapaer was operating
during his reign. The next step was that
the conquering Arabs compelled the
Nostorians to translate their Cyriac text
of Greek medicine, into Arabic. The
translation from Syriac to Arabic was
easy, as the two languages had the
same grammar. Considering the local
medical situation during Mohammed’s
life, we know there were physicians
living in Arabia during this period. Harith
bin Caladia was the best educated
physician trained in the healing art. He
was born about the middle of the 6th
century at Taif, in the tribe of Bani Sakif.
He travelled through Yemen, and then
Persia, where he received his education
in the Medical Sciences, at the great
Medical School of Jundi Shapuer - And
thus was intimately acquanted with the
medical teachings af Aristotle,
Hypocrates and Galen. Having
completed his studies, he practiced as a
Physician in Persia, and during this time
he was called to the court of King
Kusrov, with whom he had a long
conversation. He came back to Arabia
about the beginning of Islam, and settled
down at Taif. While there, Abu Khair, a
King of Yemen came to see him in
connection with a certain disease, and
on being cured, rewarded him with much
money, and a slave girl. Though Harith
bin Caladia did not write any book on
Medicine, his views on many medical
problems are still preserved in his
conversation with Kasrov. About the eye,
he says that it constituted of ‘fat’, which
is the white spot. About the second is
constituted with ‘water’, which is the
black part. And of ‘wind’ which
constitutes the eyesight. All these things
we know to be wrong now - But this was
Greek thought. All is goes to show the
acquaintance of Harith with the Greek
doctors. Summarising the situation in a
few words in his book, ‘Eastward
delamitry Arabs’, Dr. Lucaine La’ Clerk
writes…Harith bin Caladia studied
medicine in Jundi Shaperer, and
Mohammed owed to Harith the part of
his medical knowledge. Thus with the
one as well as the other, we easily
recognize the traces of Greek medicine.
Sometimes Mohammed treated the sick,
but in the difficult cases he would send
the patients to Harith. Another educated
person around Mohammed, was Laden
bin Harith. Not related to the doctor - He
was a Pershiate and cousin of
Mohammed, and had also visited the
court of Kosrov. He had learned Persian
and music, which he introduced among
the Quraish at Mecca.

However he was
not sympathetic to Mohammed - Marking
some of the stories in the Qur’an.
Mohammed never forgave him for this,
and when he was taken prisoner in the
battle of Badr, he caused him to be put
to death. In summary we see that… 1)
Arabs living in Mecca and Medina in 600,
had political and economical relations
with people from Ethiopia, Yemen, Persia
and Byzantine. 2) A cousin of
Mohammed, knew Persian well enough,
to do his musical studies in it. 3) The
Ghasine tribe which ruled the Syrian
desert over to the gates of Medina, used
Syriar…. one of the main languages used
to teach medicine - And Jundi Shapuer is
their official language. An ill king of
Yemen came to Taif, to consult the
physician Harith Bin Caladia, who had
been trained well at Jindi Shapaer – the
best medical school in that world, and to
whom Mohammed sometimes send
patients. 5) During Mohammed’s lifetime
a new medical school was established in
Alexandria, using the 16 books of Galen
as their text. This source shows that
there was ample opportunity for
Mohammed and the people around him,
to have heard the embryological theories
of Aristotle, Apocratis and Galen, when
they went to seek treatment from Harith
bin Colada and other local doctors. Thus
when the Qur’an says in the late Meccan
Surah of ‘The Believer’, 40: 67…‘He it is
who created you from dust, then from a
sperm drop, then from a leach like clot,
that perhaps you may understand’. And
then in the Surah of ‘The Pilgrimage’…
‘O! Mankind! If you have doubt about the
resurrection, consider that we have
created you from dust’. It is correct for
us to ask again, what were they to
understand? What were they to
consider? And here are the Qur’anic
stages again - Nutfa… ‘sperm’, Alaqa…
‘clot’, Mudga… ‘piece of meat’, Azaam…
bones. And… 5) dressing of bones with
muscles.’ The answer is very clear - They
were understanding and considering that
which was common knowledge, the
embryological stages as taught by the
Greek physicians. I don’t mean that
Mohammed’s listeners all knew the
names of the Greek physicians - But
they knew the embryological stages of
the Greek physicians. But they knew the
embryological stages of the Greek
physicians. They believed that the male
sperm mixed with the female menstrual
blood to cause it to clot, and this became
the baby. 2) They believed there was a
time when the fetus was formed, and
unformed. 3) They believed the bones
formed first, and then was covered with
muscles. Allah was using that common
knowledge as a sign, encouraging the
listeners and readers to turn to Him. The
trouble is, that this common knowledge
was, and is not true. Era of physicians
after Mohammed. We must now look at
two well-known Physicians, from the
period after Mohammed. Obviously they
had no effect on the Qur’an, but they
demonstrated that faith, and the
embryological ideas of Aristotle,
Apocrates and Galen, continued among
the Arabs right up to the sixteen
hundreds. If the correct translation of
Alaqa is ‘leach like substance’, as
modern Muslims like Shabbir Ali claim,
there is no place for these post Qur’anic
doctors said so. In fact it is just the
opposite. The ideas of these Greek
Physicians were being used to explain
the Qur’an, and the Qur’an was coded to
enlighten the meaning of the Greek
Physicians. The human being takes its
origin from two - This is speaking about
Evenesena or Avisena. The human being
takes its origin from two things – the
male sperm which plays the part of
factor – the female sperm… first part of
the menstrual blood, which provides the
matter. Thus we see that Ibn Seena gave
the female semen, exactly the same role
that Aristotle has assigned to the
menstrual blood. It is difficult to
overstate the importance of Ibn Seena,
as a scientific and philosophical
authority, for the pre modern Europeans.
Then we are going to look at Ibn Khaima
Zaujia. Ibn Khaim took full advantage of
the agreement between Qur’anic
Revelation and Greek medicine. It is not
very clear probably, but the Hippocrates
is in purplish, and the Qur’an is an bold
type green, and the Hadith is in purple,
and commentaries are in red, and his
own thoughts, in sort of a blue-green. So
it starts out – He is giving - He says
Hypocrites said, in the third Ch. of Kitab
al-Ajinna….‘The semen is contained in a
membrane, and it grows because of the
blood of its mother, which descends to
the womb. Some membranes are formed
at the beginning, others after the second
month and others in the third month’.
And this phrase about the blood
descending to the womb, we saw it
when we looked at Hypocrites slide. That
is why God said - Here in the Qur’an is
mentioned…‘He creates you in the
womb of your mothers, by one formation
after another, in three darkness - That is
Qur’an 39 : 6. Then he gives his own
ideas…. ‘Since each of these membranes
has its own darkness when God
mentioned the stages of creation and
transformation from one state to
another, He also mentioned the
darkness of the membranes’. Most
commentators explain, and here are the
words of the commentators…‘It is the
darkness of the belly and the darkness
of the womb and the darkness of the
placenta. In a second example, we read,
Hippocrates said…‘The mouth opens up
spontaneously and the nose and ears are
formed from the flesh. The ears are
opened and the eyes which are filled
with a clear liquid.’ The Prophet used to
say… ‘I worship Him who made my face
and formed it, and opened my hearing,
and eye sight and …… and so forth. Here
we look at Hippocrates again, and they
are in the second stage - It is the same
thing, which I read. Ibn Khaim is quoting
Hippocrates, and speaks about the
mother’s blood descends around the
membrane.
He could do this as we have seen,
because the educated people of
Mohammed’s time were familiar with
Greek medicine. However what is
important for us here today to realize is,
that there is no place where the Qur’an
corrected Greek medicine. There is no
place for Ibn Khaim shouting…“Hey you
guys you got it this all wrong - the
correct meaning of ‘Alaga’ is, ‘that which
clings’, or ‘leach’ like substance.” On the
other contrary, even Khaima is
demonstrating the agreement between
the Qur’an and the Greek medicine -
Their agreement in error. A final witness
is the commentary of Badawi in 1200
A.D. - Here we have the commentary.
We have the… we have the Qur’an here,
we have his commentary, and here it is
being translated. And he says then from
‘Alaqa’…‘a piece of solid blood’, is his
explanation of ‘Alaqa’, ‘Alaqa’ is
underlined - that is from the Qur’an. And
here is his explanation… ‘A piece of solid
blood.’ Then he goes on… ‘Then from a
piece of meat’ - from the Qur’an. ‘A
piece of meat originally as much as can
be chewed, and so forth.’ As I mentioned
in the beginning of the study, it is been
said that the idea of the embryo
developing through stages, is a modern
one and that the Qur’an is anticipating
modern embryology, by depicting
different stages. Yet we have seen that
Aristotle, Hippocrates, the Indians and
Galen have all discussed the stages of
embryological development, during the
thousand years before the Qur’an. And
after the coming of the Qur’an, the court
of the different stages, as described by
the Qur’an and the Greek doctors, was
carried on in the teachings of Abisenia
and Ibn Khaim - and is essentially the
same as that taught by Galen, and those
preceding him. Concerning the bone
stage, it is clear as Dr. Moore
demonstrated so capably is his text book
that muscles start forming from the
Semites, at the same time as the
cartilage models of the bone. There is no
bone stage where there is a skeleton
sitting here, and then and then the
muscles are plastered around it. It is
equally clear that ‘Alaqa’ in the Qur’an,
means ‘clot’ - and that the Quraish who
heard Mohammed speaking, understood
him to be referring to the menstrual
blood, as the female contribution to the
developing baby. Therefore we can
conclude that during all these years, the
Qur’anic Verses on embryology, saying
that man is created from a drop of
sperm, which becomes the clot, were in
perfect record with the science of the
1st century of the Hijra, of the time of
the Qur’an. But when compared with the
modern science of the 20th century,
Hippocrates is in error, Aristotle is in
error, Galen is in error, and the Qur’an is
in error - They are all in serious error.
Now we are going to look a little bit
about, ‘moon light.’ Does the Qur’an
state that…‘The moon gives off reflected
light from the sun’, before his was
common knowledge ? In the Surah Noor,
71 : 15 - 16, it says… ‘See ye not how
Allah has created the seven heavens,
one above another and made the moon
a light…‘Nur’ in their midst, and made
the sun as a lamp…‘Siraj.’ The moon is
called a ‘light’…Arabic ‘Nur’ - and the
sun a lamp -‘Siraj’. Some Muslims claim
that since the Qur’an uses different
words, speaking from about the light of
the sun, and the light of the moon, it
reveals that the sun is a source of light,
while the moon only reflects light. This
claim is implied very strongly by Shabbir
Ali in his booklet…‘Science in the Qur’an’
- and stated clearly by Dr. Zakir Naik in
his Video - ‘Is the Qur’an God’s Word’ as
you will now see clearly.

(Dr. Zakir Video Clipping) “The light
that we have… the light that we obtain
from the moon - where does it come
from? So he will tell me that previously
we thought that the light of the moon
was its own light. But today after science
has advanced, we have come to know
that the light of the moon is not its own
light, but a reflected light of the sun. I
will asked him a question, that its is
mentioned in this Qur’an, in Surah Al-
Furqaan, Ch. No..25, Verse
No.61…‘Blessed is He, who has created
the constellation and placed therein a
lamp and a moon which has reflected
light. The Arabic word for moon is
‘Qamar’, and the light described there is
‘Munir’- which is borrowed light, or ‘Nur’,
which is a ‘reflection of light.’ The Qur’an
mentions that the light of the moon is
reflected light. You say you discovered it
today? …How come it is mentioned in
the Qur’an 1400 years ago? He will
pause for a time - He won’t reply
immediately and then he may say…‘May
be, may be it is a fluke.’ I don’t argue
with him for sake…..”
(Dr. Campbell) Near the end of the
video we heard Dr. Naik explain the
Arabic word for ‘moon’ is ‘Qamar’, and
the light described there is ‘Munir’,
which is ‘borrowed light’ or ‘Nur’, which
is a reflection of light.’ Please do not
forget what he said… ‘Munir is borrowed
light, and Nur is reflected light.’ Not only
is this claim to be a statement in
keeping with scientific truth, but it also
claimed to be scientifically miraculous,
since this was supposedly only
discovered relatively, recently. It is
correct that the moon does not emit its
own light, but only reflects the light of
the sun - But this was known already
almost a thousand years before
Mohammed. Aristotle in about 360 BC
discussed, knowing that the earth was
round, by its shadow on the moon. He
could only speak of the Earth’s shadow
crossing the Moon, if he knew that
Moon’s light is reflected light. If you still
insist that this is a miracle of scientific
knowledge, then we must ask
ourselves…‘Do the Qur’anic words
themselves support this claim?’ ‘Siraj’ -
first we shall look at ‘Siraj.’ In Surah Nur
which was read above, in Surah Al
Furqaan, 25 : 61, it is simply ‘lamp’…
referring to the Sun. In Surah Naba,
78:13, ‘Siraj Wahjan’ means ‘a dazling
lamp’, again indicating the Sun. The
words ‘Nur’ and ‘Munir’ comes from the
same Arabic word - root. The word Munir
is used 6 times in the Qur’an 4 times
Suratul Imran, 3 : 184, Al Haj 22 : 8,
Lukman 31: 20 and Fatir 35 : 35. It is the
phrase ‘Kitabul Munir’, which Yusuf Ali
translates as… ‘A book of enlightenment’
and Picktall uses… ‘The Scripture giving
light.’ Clearly this indicates a book which
is radiating the light of knowledge.
Nothing about ‘reflection’… ‘Nur’. It says
in Surah Nur, 71:16 and Yunus, 10:5
that… ‘Allah made the light… the Moon a
light.’ Thus we find that the Qur’an says
that the Moon is a light, and it never
says that the Moon reflects light.
Moreover in other Verses, the Qur’an
says that… ‘Allah is a Nur… a light.’
Surah Nur, 24:35, one of the most
beautiful passages in the Qur’an reads…
‘Allah is the light… Nur of the Heavens
and the Earth. The parable of His light, is
as if there was a niche and within it a
lamp, the lamp enclosed in glass. The
glass as it was a brilliant star and so
forth.’ Thus we see that the word ‘Nur’ is
used for both, ‘the moon’ and ‘Allah.’ Are
we going to say that Allah gives off
reflected light? I think not. But if you
continue to insist that ‘Nur’ used for the
Moon, means ‘borrowed’ or ‘reflected
light’, and we saw above, that Allah is
‘the light’… Nur of the Heavens and the
Earth - What is the source of this light?
‘Siraj’, of which Allah is only a reflection.
Think about it - If Allah is named ‘Nur’ or
a ‘reflected light’… who or what, is the
‘Siraj’? Well the Qur’an tells us who the
‘Siraj’ is - But the answer will shock you.
In Surah Al Ahzab, 33:45, 46 we find… ‘O
Prophet! Surely We have send thee as a
witness - A bearer of glad tidings and a
warner, and as a lamp spreading light.
Here it says that Mohammed is the lamp
spreading light. In Arabic it is ‘Sirajaan
Munira’ Linguistically and spiritually, this
is the end of the discussion.
Linguistically ‘Siraj’ and the adjective
‘Moon’ here are used together for the
same shining thing - the person
Mohammed. It is clear ‘Munir’ does not
mean reflected light in this verse – or in
any other verse. It means shining. The
people of Mohammed’s time understood
that the Moon was shining, and they
were right. Just as the people of Moses’
time understood that the Sun was the
greater light, and the Moon the lesser
light, and they were right. But if you
insist, the Arabic words ‘Nur’ and ‘Moon’
here mean reflected light, then based on
the use of these words in the Qur’an,
Mohammed is like the ‘Sun’ and ‘Allah’ is
like the ‘Moon.’ Does Dr. Naik really want
to say that Mohammed is the source of
Light, and Allah is only his reflection?
Why are these so called scientific claims
made, which no Muslim can support, if
he make a serious study of his own
Qur’an. In a dialogue like tonight it
makes an honest discussion very difficult
- almost impossible. Let us go on and
look at the water cycle. Some Muslim
authors claim that the Qur’an shows pre
scientific knowledge of water cycle.
What is the water cycle? Here in this
slide, you see four steps. The first step is
evaporation - The water evaporates from
the seas and the earth. Second step – it
becomes clouds. Third step – it gives
rain. And fourth – this rain causes the
plants to grow. Seems all very straight
forward, and everybody knows 2, 3 and
4. Even if they live in a town, they know
that clouds come and rain comes, and
their flowers grow. But what about step
one – ‘the evaporation.’ We cannot see it
- It is difficult. And the Qur’an does not
have step one. Now we are going to look
at a Prophet from the Bible - Prophet
from 700 B.C… Prophet Amos And he
writes… ‘He who made the Pleiades and
Orion, Who turns blackness into dawn,
and darkens day into night, and then
Who calls out for the waters, of the
sea.’… Stage one. And pours them out
over the face of the land… stage three -
The Lord (Yahweh) is His name. And one
other Prophet is Job, in 36:26-28, at least
a thousand years before the Hijra. He
says… ‘How great is God – beyond our
understanding! The number of his years
is past finding out. Stage one – He draws
up the drops of water which distill from
the mist as rain -that is stage three And
then the clouds are mentioned – Stage
two - Which pour down their moisture
and abundant showers fall on mankind.
So here in the Bible, this difficult stage
one, is there for more than a thousand
years, before the Qur’an. Now let us go
on and look at Mountains. The Qur’an
has more than a dozen Verses stating
that God placed firm and unmovable
mountains on the Earth. And in some of
these Verses, the mountains are listed
as either a blessing for believers, or a
warning for the unbelievers. One
example of this is found in the Surah
Luqman, 31:10,11, where the mountains
are one of five warnings. It says… ‘He
has created the heavens. Says… ‘He has
created the heavens without support,
that you can see, and has cast aalqa
onto the earth…‘firm
mountain’–‘Rawaasiya’, lest it should
shake with you. In ‘The Prophets’… Al-
Ambiya, 21:31, as one of seven warnings
we read… ‘And We have set on the
earth, firm mountains lest it should
shake with you….. with them.’Finally in
‘The Bee’… Nahl, 16:15, says that… ‘He
has cast ‘aalga’ onto the earth… ‘firm
mountains’ ‘Rawaasiya’, lest it should
shake with you. We see then that the
believers and the Non-believers are told,
that Allah has done this great thing - He
strolled down and placed the mountains,
so that the earth will not shake violently
with them. Therefore we must ask
ourselves… ‘What did they understand ?’
In the next two Verses, another picture
is given, ‘The News’, Al-Naba 78 : 6-7…
“Have We not made the Earth an
expanse, and the mountains as stakes
‘Al – jebaala awtaad’, as those used to
anchor a tent in the ground. And then
‘The Overwhelming’ Al-Ghashiya,
88:17-19… ‘Do they…the unbelievers
not look at the mountains… ‘Al-jibaal’…
how they have been pitched like a tent.’
Here men are told that the mountains
are placed as tent pegs -Tent pegs keep
the tents, stable. So again the idea is put
forward that the pegs… the mountains
will keep the earth from shaking. A third
picture is presented in the word
‘Rawaasiya’, used for mountains. This
word comes from the Arabic root ‘Arsa.’
And the same root is used for the Arabic
word for ‘anchor.’ To ‘throw out’ or ‘cast
the anchor’ is aalgaa almirsaa. So
instead of ‘Cast the anchor to keep the
ship from moving’ - ‘We have cast the
mountains, to keep the earth from
shaking’. From these pictures, it is clear
that Mohammed’s followers understood
that the mountains were thrown down
like tent pegs, to keep a tent in place
like an anchor to hold the ship in place -
To stop the earth from moving or limit
earthquakes.
But in fact this is false - the forming of
mountains causes earthquake. Therefore
these Verses present a definite problem.
Dr. Maurice Bucaile recognised this, and
discussed them in his book… ‘The Bible,
the Qur’an and Science.’ After quoting
the above Verses about ‘Mountains’, he
says… ‘Modern Geologists described the
faults in the Earth, as giving foundations
to the mountains, and the stability of the
Earth’s crust results from this
phenomenon of these faults. When
asked about this, Professor of Geology,
Dr. David A. Young says… ‘While it is
true that many mountain ranges are
composed of folded rocks and the folds
maybe of large scale, it is not true that
the folds render the crust stable. The
very existence of the fold, is evidence of
instability in the crust.’ In other words,
mountains don’t keep the earth from
shaking - their formation caused and still
causes the surface of the earth to shake.

Geological theories of the present time
propose, that the hardened crust of the
earth is made of sections and plates,
which slowly move with relation to each
other. Sometimes the plates separate,
like North and South America, separating
from Europe and South Africa. And some
times they go together and they slide
next to each other, and they bump into
each other, and then they cause
earthquakes. An example of this type of
mountain formation is found in the
Middle East, where the migration of
Arabia towards Iran, has resulted in the
zygross range in Iran. In many parts of
the world, as one travels along the
roads, one sees a hillside, where the
sand storm layers which were horizontal
when they were deposited, are now
sticking up at angles. And so here you
can see, these sand storm layers, which
were horizontal in the beginning, now
they are striking up at 75 degrees. They
were pushed up there by an earthquake,
by the mountains being formed.
Sometimes the plates get caught on
each other and starts sliding - During
this period, great forces are built up.
When the forces of friction are
overcome, the piece of plate that was
stuck, lurches forward, causing a shock
wave of a thrust quake, and then all of a
sudden it goes ‘dumm’ like this. In a
recent earthquake, it was calculated that
the Coco Splade in Mexico, suddenly
jumped forward 3 meters. Well if your
house suddenly jump 3 meters, there
will be a Catastrophe. Another type of
mountain is that formed by volcanoes.
Lava and ash from inside the earth are
thrown out and piled up, until a high
mountain is formed - Even from the
bottom of the sea. And we can see this
kind of action in this picture. I hope you
can see it - Not clear is it? The ocean
crust is right here and the continental
crust is there, and the oceanic crust is
going down under the continental crust,
and mountains have been found here.
Here is the volcano, and here is the
magma of the molted rock, going up
through the volcano, and here is another
volcano with magma going up. And so
this is how the mountains are formed
and earthquakes are formed. In the case
of some igneous mountains, molten rock
intrudes into the probe of the volcano’s
opening and cools, to form a relatively
dense intrusion, which extends below
the surface of the earth. So this… if this
gets stuck and sealed, then it would be
like a plug - However it is not a root. It
does not bear the weight of the
mountain - It is really a plug. Therefore
at occasions, pressure builds up under
the plug, and the volcano explodes as
happened in the South Pacific at
Crackato, in 1883 when the whole island
was blown away. And it happened at
Mount Saint Halena in Ardase, when a
mountain was blown away. We can
conclude from this information, that
mountains were formed originally with
movement and shaking, and that now in
the present, earthquakes are caused by
their continued formation. When the
plates buckle over each other, there are
earthquakes - When the volcanoes erupt
there can bring earthquake. However it
is clear that the followers of Mohammed
were understanding these Verses, to say
that Allah threw the mountains down, as
a tent peg or anchors, to keep the Earth
from shaking. Throwing the mountains
down under the Earth may be poetry,
but to say that mountains keep the Earth
from shaking, is a severe difficulty,
which is out of step with modern
science. Now we are going to take a little
look at what the Sun says about… what
the Qur’an says about the ‘Sun.’ In the
Surah of the Kahf, 18:86, it says… ‘Until
when Zulqarnain… that is Alexandra the
great, reached the setting of the sun, he
found it set in a spring of murky water.’
I’m sorry - In 20th Century Science...20th
Century Science... the Sun does not set
in a spring of murky water. And then in
‘The Criterion’, Al Furqaan, 25:45 to 46,
it says… ‘Hast thou not turned thy
vision, to thy Lord - how He prolongs the
shadow! If He willed, He could make it
stationary! Then do We (God) make the
sun its guide.” What about this? Has the
sun… if we think of the sun overhead,
you have no shadow or a little tiny
shadow, and then as the sun goes down,
your shadow gets longer on the other
side. Well the sun is stationary in relation
to the Earth - It is not what causes the
shadow to shift. The rotating Earth
guides the shadows. So if you demand
20th century accuracy, the Surah should
say… ‘The rotating earth causes the
shadows to change. I would look at a
different subject… ‘Solomon’s death.’
Whether this is Science, I don’t know -
May be sociology. Solomon’s death – He
is popped up on his staff. Says… ‘The
jinn worked for him, as Solomon desired.
‘Then when We decreed death upon
Solomon, nothing showed them his
death, except a little creeping creature
of the earth, which gwaned away his
staff. And when he fell, the jinn saw
clearly how - If they had known the
unseen, they would not have continued
in the humiliating penalty of work. So
here Solomon… he’s dead, propped up
on his staff, like a walker from Morocco
overseeing only a road gay, and no cook
comes to ask him…what he wants for
dinner. And no General comes for orders,
and none of his Nobles comes to say…
‘Lets go hunting.’ No one notices. I’m
sorry - I do not believe this story and it
won’t fit 20th century Sociology, or 7th
century Sociology, where the king will
never be left alone like that. Now finally
let us look at ‘Milk.’ It says in the Surah
of ‘The Bee’, Nahl, 16:66… ‘We pour out
to you from what is within their (the
cattle’s) abdomen, between excretions
and blood – milk, pure and agreeable to
the drinkers.’ The abdomen where the
intestines are…. Sorry - In 20th century
medical science, the abdomens where
the intestines are… is where the
intestines are - the mammary glands are
under the skin. In humans they are
under the skin here - In cattle they are
under the skin between the legs. No
connection - There is no connection
between the breasts and the intestines,
and the their faces, in any way. Faces
though in the body, it really is outside of
the animal - Animals has finished with it.
It is not connected to milk or to anything
else. And finally going to look at
‘Communities.’ The Surah of ‘The Cattle’,
Al – Anam 6:38, ‘There is not an animal
on the earth, nor a being that flies on
two wings, but forms communities like
you…. Speaks about no animal on earth,
not a being that flies, and then it says,
that every one of them is communities
like you - And I assume that the Qur’an is
speaking about we humans. Well, in
some Spiders, when they finishes
mating, the mother eats the father. Well
I’m glad that my wife did not eat me.
Even in Bees, the extra male Drones are
thrown out to die. Well I’m glad also that
after we had four children, that my wife
did not push me out of the house too.
Finally, the Lions. When the Lion gets
old, the male Lion gets old, a young lion
comes along and drives him away from
his own wives, and the young lion takes
over the wives. But what he does with
the cubs? The cubs of the old lion – he
kills them all. So I do not think that this
stance is true all other communities and
all other animals do not live as
communities like us. In conclusion it is
clear that the Qur’an has many scientific
errors. As a generality the Qur’an meets
and reflects the science of its time - the
science of the 7th century AD. We came
here to seek truth - I’ve done my best to
present valid information. If you want to
see all the references, my book… ‘The
Qur’an and the Bible in the light of
History and Science’, is for sale outside
that door, at a bargain price, tonight.
May the God of all truth, guide you -
Thank you.

(Dr. Zakir) …(Arabic)… Respected Dr.
William Campbell, Dr. Maracuss, Dr.
Jamal Badavi, Br. Samuel Nauman, Dr.
Mohammed Naik, my respected elders
and my dear brothers and sisters, I
welcome all of you with the Islamic
greetings… ‘As Salaamo Alaikum Wa
Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatahu. May peace
mercy and blessings of Allah
Subhanawataala be on all of you. The
topic of today’s dialogue is ‘The Qur’an
and the Bible in the light of Science.’
The Glorious Qur’an is the last and final
Revelation which was revealed to the
last and final Messenger Prophet
Mohammed, peace be upon him. For any
book to claim that it is a Revelation from
Almighty God, it should stand the test of
time. Previously in the olden days, it was
the age of miracles - Alhamdulillah, the
Qur’an is the miracle of miracles. Later
on came the age of literature and
poetry, and Muslims and Non Muslims
alike, they claim the Glorious Qur’an to
be the best Arabic literature available on
the face of the Earth. But today is the
age of science and technology. Let us
analyze whether the Qur’an is
compatible or incompatible with modern
science. Albert Einstein said… ‘Science
without Religion is lame, and Religion
without Science is blind’. Let me remind
you that the Glorious Qur’an is not a
book of Science…S-C-I-E-N-C-E, It is a
book of signs S-I-G-N-S… It is a book of
Ayats. And there more than 6000 signs…
Ayats in the Glorious Qur’an out of which
more than a thousand speak about
science. As far as my talk regarding
Qur’an and Science is concerned, I will
only be speaking about scientific facts
which has been established. I will not be
speaking about scientific hypothesis and
theories, which are based on assumption
without any proof, because we all know
many a times science takes U-turns. Dr.
William Campbell who wrote a reply to
the book of Dr. Maurice Bucaille… ‘The
Qur’an and the Bible in the light of
history and science’ - He says in his
book, that there are two types of
approaches. One is a concordance
approach - Which means a person tries
to bring compatibility between the
Scripture and science. And the other is
the conflict approach, in which a person
tries to bring a conflict between
Scripture and science, like how Dr.
William Campbell has done very well. But
as far as the Qur’an is concerned,
irrespective whether a person uses a
conflicting approach, or a concordance
approach – As long as you are logical,
and after a logical explanation is given to
you, not a single person will be able to
prove a single Verse of the Qur’an, in
conflict with established modern science.
Dr. William Campbell has pointed out
various alleged scientific errors in the
Qur’an, and I am supposed to actually
refute in the rebuttal. But since he chose
to speak first, I will be refuting a few
points in my talk - I will reply to the
major part of his talk, mainly dealing
with Embryology and with Geology. The
remaining InshaAllah, InshaAllah, I will
try my level best to reply in the rebuttal.
I have to do both - I cannot do injustice
to the topic. The topic is… ‘Qur’an and
Bible in the light of Science.’ I cannot
only speak about one Scripture - Dr.
William Campbell hardly spoke about one
or two points about the Bible, which I will
deal with InshaAllah. I will speak about
both InshaAllah, - I want to do justice to
the topic. As far as Qur’an and modern
Science is concerned, in the field of
‘Astronomy’, the Scientists, the
Astronomers, a few decades earlier, they
described, how the universe came into
existence - They call it the ‘Big Bang’.
And they said… ‘Initially there was one
primary nebula, which later on it
separated with a Big Bang, which gave
rise to Galaxies, Stars, Sun and the
Earth, we live in.’ This information is
given in a nutshell in the Glorious
Qur’an, in Surah Ambiya, Ch. 21, Verse
No. 30, which says…. (Arabic).... Do not
the unbelievers see…? …. (Arabic)….
‘That the heavens and the earth were
joined together, and we clove them
asunder.’ Imagine this information which
we came to know recently, the Qur’an
mentions 14 hundred years ago. When I
was in school, I had learned that the Sun
in respect to the Earth - it was stationary
- the Earth and the Moon, they rotated
about in axis, but the sun was stationary.
But when I read a Verse of the Qur’an
saying, in Surah Al–Ambiya, Ch.. 21
Verse No. 33, it says…. (Arabic). … ‘It is
Allah who has created the night and the
day.’…. (Arabic)…. The sun and the
moon…. (Arabic)…. Each one travelling
in an orbit with its own motion. Now
Alhamdulillah, modern science has
confirmed the Qur’anic statement.

The
Arabic word used in the Qur’an is
‘Yasbahoon’, which describes the motion
of a moving body. When it refers to a
celestial body, it means it is rotating
about its own axis. So Qur’an says the
sun and the Moon, they revolve as well
as rotate about their own axis. Today we
have come to know that the Sun takes
approximately 25 days to complete one
rotation. It was Edvin Hubbel who
discovered that the universe is
expanding. The Qur’an says in Surah
Dhariyat, Ch. 51, Verse No. 47,
that…‘We have created the expanding
universe’ - The vastness of space. The
Arabic word ‘Mohsiana’ refers to
‘vastness’ – ‘the expanding universe.’
Regarding the topics on Astronomy,
which Dr. William Campbell touched, I
will deal in the rebuttal, InshaAllah. In
the field of ‘Water cycle, Dr. William
Campbell pointed out, certain things.
The Qur’an describes the water cycle in
great detail. And Dr. William Campbell
mentioned 4 stages. In his book he
mentions 4 (a) and (b) - the last one he
did not mention in the slide - I don’t
know why? It says... ‘The
Driplinition’…‘The Water table.’ He
missed out here - Maybe because it was
not mentioned in the Bible. He said
there is not a single Verse in the Qur’an,
which speaks about ‘evaporation.’
Qur’an says in Surah Al-Tariq, Ch. No. 86,
Verse No. 11, that….(Arabic)…. ‘By the
capacity of the heavens to return.’ And
almost all the commentaries of the
Qur’an - they said, that this Verse of
Surah Tariq, Ch. No. 86, Verse No. 11,
refers to the capacity of the heavens to
return back rain - meaning ‘Evaporation.’
Dr. William Campbell who knows Arabic,
may say…‘Why did not Allah Subhanawa
Taala specifically mention….(Arabic) ….
Meaning… ‘The capacity of the heavens
to return back rain.’ Why did not Allah
mention specifically? Now we have came
to know why did not Allah do that, in His
Divine wisdom. Because today we have
came to know that besides - the
Ozonosphere… the layer above the
earth - Besides returning back rain, it
even returns back other beneficial
matter and energy of the Earth, which is
required by the human beings. It does
not only return back rain - Today we
have come to know, it even returns back
waves of Telecommunication, of
Television, of Radio, by which we can see
TV, we can communicate, we can hear
the radio. And besides that, it even
returns back the harmful rays of the
outer space, back on the other side, and
absorbs. For example the sun light… the
ultraviolet rays of the Sun light is
absorbed by the Ionosphere. If this was
not done, life on the Earth would have
ceased to exist. So Allah
Subhanawataala is far superior and for
more accurate, when He says…. (Arabic)
…. By the capacity of the Heaven to
return.’ And the remaining things as he
mentioned is there in the Qur’an - You
can refer to my Videocassette. The
Qur’an describes the ‘Water cycle’ in
great detail. Regarding what he said
about the Bible, he showed stage 1 and
stage 3 in the first slide, and in the
second stage 1, 3, and then 2. ‘That the
rain water is taken up’… he says… ‘and
then the rain water comes down on the
Earth.’ This is the philosophy of
Phasofmillitas, in 7th century BC. He
thought that the spray of the ocean was
picked up by the wind, and send to the
interior as rain. There is no cloud
mentioned there. In the second
quotation Dr. William Campbell gave -
First is, according to him, ‘evaporation’
which we agree. We don’t mind having
the concordance approach with the
Bible. ‘…Then rain falls down, and then
are the clouds formed.’ - That is not the
complete water cycle. Alhamdulillah, the
Qur’an describes the water cycle in
great detail, in several places. How does
the water rise, evaporates, forms into
clouds - the clouds join together, they
stalk up, there is thunder and lightning,
water comes down, the clouds move into
the interior, they fall down as rain, and
the evaporation of the water table and
Alhamdulillah in great detail. The Qur’an
speaks about the water cycle in great
detail, in several places. In Surah Nur,
Ch. No. 24, Verse No. 43, in Surah Rum,
Ch. No. 30, Verse 48, in Surah Al-Zumar,
Ch. 39, Verse 21, in Surah Muminun, Ch.
23, Verse 18, in Surah Rum Ch. No. 30,
Verse No. 24, in Surah Al-Hijr, Ch. 15,
Verse No. 22, in Surah Araf Ch. No. 7,
Verse No. 57, in Surah Rad, Ch. No. 13,
Verse No. 17, in Surah Furqan, Ch. 25,
Verse No. 48 and 49, in Surah Fatir, Ch.
No. 35, Verse No. 9, in Surah Yasin, Ch.
36, Verse No. 34, in Surah Jathiya, Ch.
45, Verse No. 5, in Surah Qaf, Ch. No. 50,
Verse No. 9, in Surah Al-Waqiah, Ch. No.
56, Verse No. 68 and 70, in several
places, Surah Al-Mulk,Ch. 67, Verse No.
30, the Glorious Qur’an speaks about the
‘Water cycle’, in great detail. Dr. William
Campbell spent maximum time on
Embryology’… about half his talk - quite
a lot on Geology - and touched on other
six topics - I’ve noted down. In the field
of Geology, we have come to know today
- the Geologists, they tell us, that the
radius of the Earth is approximately
3750 miles, and the deeper layers, they
are hot and fluid, and cannot sustain life.
And the superficial part of the Earth’s
crust, which we live on, it is very thin -
Hardly 1 to 30 miles. Some portions are
thicker, but majority one to 30 miles.
And there are high possibility that this
superficial layer, the Earth’s crust - it will
shake. It is due to the ‘Folding
phenomenon’, which gives rise to
mountain ranges, which gives stability to
this Earth. And Qur’an says in Surah
Nabaa, Ch. No. 78, Verse No. 6 and
7…‘We have made the Earth as an
expanse…. (Arabic) ….and the
mountains as stakes.’ The Qur’an does
not say, mountains were thrown up as
stakes… mountain as stakes. Arabic
word ‘Autaad’ means ‘stakes’… meaning
‘tent peg’. And today we have come to
know in the study of modern Geology,
that mountain has got deep roots. This
was known in the second half of the 19th
century. And the superficial part that we
see of the mountain, is a very small
percentage. The deeper part is within -
Exactly like a stake how it is driven in
the ground. You can only see a small
part on top… the majority is down in the
ground - or like a tip of the ice berg…you
can see the tip on the top and about
90% is beneath water. The Qur’an says
in Surah Gashiya, Ch. 88, Verse No. 19,
and Surah Naziat, Ch. No. 79, Verse No.
32 ….. (Arabic) …. And We have made
the mountains standing firm on the
Earth’ - Made the mountains standing
firm on the Earth. Today after modern
Geology has advanced, and Dr. William
Campbell said that… ‘By the theory of
Platectonics - It was propounded in 1960,
which gives rise to mountain ranges.’
The Geologists today, do say that the
mountains give stability to the Earth -
Not all Geologists, but many do say. I
have not come across a single Geological
book, and I challenge Dr. William
Campbell to produce a single Geological
book - Not his personal correspondence
with the Geologist. That does not carry
weight. His personal correspondence
with Dr. Keith Moore …. Documented
proof. And if you read the book ‘The
Earth’ which is referred by almost all the
universities, in the field of Geology, one
of its authors by the name of Dr Frank
Press, who was the advisor to the former
president of USA, Jimmy Carter, and was
the president of the Academy of Science
of USA. He writes in his book that…‘The
mountains are wedge shaped - It has
deep roots within.

When you copied a whole text book on the net and posted it as one thread on nairaland, who do you think would have the time to read.

In your islamic sciences, I hope you included:

1. Unbelievers having 7 intestines (because they are different human beings),

2, Moses being 90 feet tall, (height of 10-storey building), probably to be near to allah,

3. Mosquitos having sickness in one wing and healing in the other wing.

4. etc! etc!!

I think @udatso should have posted a link or refered us to download the video. Kudos to you anyway, Jazaka LLAHU.

@truthman2012, I remember I have once refered you to download this video in question, but I don't think you have. Maybe when you do and watch it, you may be able to try not to sleep off when Dr Campbell delivers his arguments and also try to save him from the hands of Dr Naik's questions.

Maybe you should produce your Qur'anic references for your claims. It will help my explanation.

golpen: I think @udatso should have posted a link or refered us to download the video. Kudos to you anyway, Jazaka LLAHU.

@truthman2012, I remember I have once refered you to download this video in question, but I don't think you have. Maybe when you do and watch it, you may be able to try not to sleep off when Dr Campbell delivers his arguments and also try to save him from the hands of Dr Naik's questions.

Maybe you should produce your Qur'anic references for your claims. It will help my explanation.

i don't think i need to listen to the arguments. that you are referring to it makes me suspect dr campbell might have performed below expectation. he might not be so knowledgeable in things of the spirit. i have the Spirit of God that is capable of interpreting anything spiritual to me. anyway, thank you for your advice.

Who am I to force you to listen to an argument. But Dr Campbell tried his best (even after studying the Qur'an for 14 yrs) and came up with a book (Qur'an in the light of science) fumbling on some verses of the Qur'an and claims it doesn't correlate with the Qur'an. I'm sure he wouldn't have been short of knowledge in the things of the spirit if he had gone away with it. The dialogue actually shortened his spiritual knowledge and bigotic views.

@golpen
Tnx so much...I will post the links to the videos soon

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=XOD2KXXzsjM here is the full video