@syrup
What did Jesus say to sinners. Did Jesus say
1) go and offer an animal blood
2) wait for my crucification and belelieve in my blood
3) Go and sin no more.

I think the third answer is the correct one. if so, to sin no more is to be righteous. I think we should be righteous and obey Gods words to be saved not just spilling blood or believing in blood.
Obidence is better than sercrifice.

@9jaman,

Good morning, and thank you for your observations. Let me offer you something you might have failed to observe in the question of Biblical righteousness:

(a) even when we "go and sin no more", our righteousnesses are filthy rags in God's sight. The prophets knew this and declared the same thing centuries before Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin:

[list][li]Isaiah 64:6 - "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."[/li][/list]

(b) God Himself is the One who declared that the Blood is the basis for the atonement of our souls:

[list][li]Leviticus 17:11 - "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."[/li][/list]

(c) We know as well that there is no remission of sins where the Blood has not been shed for the atonement of our souls:

[list][li]Hebrews 9:22 - "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."[/li][/list]

(d) Jesus Himself told us that His Blood accomplished that same remission of sins for us:

[list][li]Matt. 26:28 - "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." [/li][/list]


This is why I often appeal that before people try to instruct God about what to do, they should calmly and carefully read His prophecies and declarations in the OT. What is the basis of redemption in the old covenant if it was not blood?


Two Types of Righteousnesses

There is (a) a righteousness by the Law, and (b) a righteousness by Faith - and these are not to be confused as the same thing (Rom. 9:31; 10:3 and Phil. 3:9). For the righteousness by Faith, it will help tremendously if you did a little study of what this means - for there you will see the place that the Blood comes before our attention.

Now, having briefly answered your questions, you will find that just assuming you go and sin no more, where then is your redemption without the Blood of Christ?

Blessings.

@syrup
Good morning and God bless you

syrup:

(a) even when we "go and sin no more", our righteousnesses are filthy rags in God's sight. The prophets knew this and declared the same thing centuries before Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin:

[list][li]Isaiah 64:6 - "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."[/li][/list]

Isaiah 64:6 is saying that our righteousness will never be like God's.  Even the gospel say that a student cannever be as good as the master. But is dose not mean that our righteounes is not important. Isaiah 64:6 is showing us that we cannever be as good as God. I does not say that we should not be righteous.

syrup:

(b) God Himself is the One who declared that the Blood is the basis for the atonement of our souls:

[list][li]Leviticus 17:11 - "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."[/li][/list]

If this spiling of animal blood in leviticus could bring salvation then why did Jesus came to save us. If we have rituals that can give us salvation why did Jesus have to come? If rithouesness is not the basses for salvation why did Jesus spend 3 years preaching and telling men to be ritheous. Why didnt Jesus go and die at the bigining of His mission, if that is the only important thing.
The old testament, leviticus says sacrificing animals and forbid human sacrifice. Only babylonians do human sacrifice.

syrup:

(d) Jesus Himself told us that His Blood accomplished that same remission of sins for us:

[list][li]Matt. 26:28 - "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." [/li][/list]

I don't agree with this translation. I reserched on Justcool's references and a good number of scholers agree the the better translation is,
"This is my blood of the new testamment, which is given to many for the remission of sins"
Or
This is my blood which is poured out for many for the remission of sins"

The translation -- which is shed-- misleads people to think that Jesus was talking about His killind because poeple associate killing with the word shed but it dos not necersirily mean killing

Besides the translations shows that Jesus was speaking of the present or past tense---given for many, is poured out, and is shed---it did not use the future tense. If He was talking about His death He would have used future tense because His death had not yet happend. When He told them that one of them shall betray Him, He used future tense--shall, will.
By the time He was talking
1) Has his physical blood been shed already, or has it been given, or is it being given? No
2) The only thing that has been given by Him at that time was His teachings
3) If He was talking about His physical blood and body, how come the deciples did not eat His flesh and drink His blood after His death? Rather they buried Him.
4) In the old testament it was the priests that sprinkle animals blood on the alter of God. How come in the case of Jesus,it was romans who are not God's people making the sacrifice in a place where criminals are executed, and not the alter of God.
5)Every animal killed during sacrifce is part pf the sacrifice. All the animals killed in the ritual are sacrificed to God. So in the case of Jesus the two thiefs by His side were also sacrificed to God for the remission of sins? If so then Jesus alone did not save us. If so then it was Jesus and two sinners that saved us.

@Syrup:

(a) even when we "go and sin no more", our righteousnesses are filthy rags in God's sight. The prophets knew this and declared the same thing centuries before Jesus Christ was born of the Virgin:


Isaiah 64:6 - "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

(b) God Himself is the One who declared that the Blood is the basis for the atonement of our souls:


Leviticus 17:11 - "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

(c) We know as well that there is no remission of sins where the Blood has not been shed for the atonement of our souls:


Hebrews 9:22 - "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission."

(d) Jesus Himself told us that His Blood accomplished that same remission of sins for us:


Matt. 26:28 - "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

And from all the above, you rendered the effort of Jesus on the woman accused of adultery null and void. You need to be reminded that Jesus did not ask the woman to spill anyblood for any atonement. Further, the action of that statement of "Casting the first stone," was long before the alleged death of Jesus. Can you in view of the above sincerely say that the woman was forgiven, or that Jesus actually provide a way of atonement to the woman, since there was no spilling of blood? Would you not therefore have rendered the effort of Jesus in this case, incomplete on the woman? What if the woman died after Jesus said that she was forgiven, but before the alleged crucifixion of Jesus? Was the woman really forgiven, without the blood?

This is why I often appeal that before people try to instruct God about what to do, they should calmly and carefully read His prophecies and declarations in the OT. What is the basis of redemption in the old covenant if it was not blood?

I hear you. But I wonder if you pay the same attention to the Bible statement? Well, it is obvious that Jesus did not truly forgive the woman, because there was no blood spilled, if I go by your presentation, above. Is there any truth to all of these, above? Really?

Two Types of Righteousnesses

There is (a) a righteousness by the Law, and (b) a righteousness by Faith - and these are not to be confused as the same thing (Rom. 9:31; 10:3 and Phil. 3:9). For the righteousness by Faith, it will help tremendously if you did a little study of what this means - for there you will see the place that the Blood comes before our attention.

Imagine that: Was Jesus the speaker in the quoted verses above of the book of Roman? Was it not that Jesus was already lifted up to heavens before any of the acts of apostles and beyond in the Bible? Are you going to tell us that Jesus was talking back from heaven here?

Now, having briefly answered your questions, you will find that just assuming you go and sin no more, where then is your redemption without the Blood of Christ?

Whre then is the redemption of the woman who was accused of adultery? Each time, I see some people dig bigtime of bigfoot quality hole for themselves.

@Olaadegbu:

@olabowale,

Good morning this morning, I hope the weather is fine where you are.


Quote from: olabowale on May 27, 2008, 08:36 PM
@Olaadegbu: Thanks. Am fine. I hope you are of good cheers, too?
Exactly what the penalty called for; a $1M USD or life impresonment. The guilty will have to make his own choice between the two.


That was a good judgment, making you a just judge. Now another scenario is if or when you die and face God at the judgment throne and you are found guilty of breaking God's commandment on earth, and God who is a righteous judge, has to decide, will He be right and just to sentence you to hell even if you plead guilty and that you are sorry?

It will be right for God to sentence me to Hell in His enactment of His Justice because He is a Just Judge, the Altimate Ruler. And I will say Alhamdulillah if I were heading into Hell for two reasons: My Lord spoke to me and He was just with me.

olabowale:

@Olaadegbu:
It will be right for God to sentence me to Hell in His enactment of His Justice because He is a Just Judge, the Altimate Ruler. And I will say Alhamdulillah if I were heading into Hell for two reasons: My Lord spoke to me and He was just with me.

You are right again in that assessment of God's justice. Since you are still alive here on earth let us consider whether we have actually broken God's commandments that He wrote with His Own finger:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?
Have I made a god in my own image, a god to suit myself?
Have I ever used God's name in vain?
Have I kept the Sabbath holy?
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?
Have I lied (including al taquiyah and these questions)?
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?


If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for "the soul that sinneth, it shall die" Ezekiel 18:4,20 which is the original death penalty and the condition of life and death.

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. (Ezekiel 18:23) Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily starting from the gospel according to John and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.

May the Lord bless you and brighten your path in Jesus' name. AMEN.

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@Olaadegbu: You have presented absolutely rubbish! Sorry to say. But it is the truth from my soul and my heart. You have forgotten that the Bible even stated by your definitions above that Jesus of the Bible had sinned and imperfect: He curse an innocent tree which obeyed the laws of its Creator, in terms of its season to produce edible fruits. The Bible Jesus was practically going against the will of Biblical God, when the Biblical Jesus began to find ways of not going on the cross, so that his soul can be cursed for your benefit (remember that his soul does not even benefit from this tragedy). This all took place with the climatic cry "my God, my God, why has thou forsakened me?" If tour Biblical jesus was perfect, there would never have any possibility for Satan to have the means of tempting him. But in this case he was tempted 3 times, for food, for worldly possession and to show relationship with God. In all, if this is your role model I do not want any part of you and your Biblical role model.

But wait, the Qur'a.n declares that saving a soul is like saving all mankind: We see that all humanity began with the production (as if saved) of a single soul, Adam.

We see that a person who brough peace and reconciliation between parties has averted rancor and rifts between the parties.

We see that a spouse that speaks goodly with the patner will have a very inviting and welcoming bed to sleep in.

We see that a person who speak eloquently about a way to avert a war has displayed heroizm. If a person has all these qualities above, then believes in God, absolutely and do good work in righteousness, hoping for reward with the God Almighty Creator, alone, please know that God will shower His Mercies and His Forgiveness on this soul. The soul will not enter Hellfire but Paradise, InshaAllah.

Allah says in the Qu.r'a.n that we His creations should not be hopeless about His mercies and Forgiveness. He further states that He forgives who He wills. He promises Paradise, where there is bliss and no weariness. Now thats my Lord God Allahu Ta'ala. He promises Hell to those who say God is One of the three. That will be you, Mr. Christian. In hell it is stated that people will not be dead, but not alive either in term of ever increasing punishment they receive.

Finally, your three for one godheads sound like Onishongo of Oyo, the Oloshun of oshogbo, the Aborisha of Ijebu ode (since I am an ijebu ode boy, i do not want people to say that Olabowale is partial). I do not want to be like you, mister. I wonder which of the godheads will stop the other which is bent on punishing you, since they ae all separate and apart, full god each? I hope you learn that you are on a path leading to pardition via this exchange.

You still have time to make a 180 degree turn. That is best for you.

olabowale:

@Olaadegbu: You have presented absolutely rubbish! Sorry to say. But it is the truth from my soul and my heart. You have forgotten that the Bible even stated by your definitions above that Jesus of the Bible had sinned and imperfect: He curse an innocent tree which obeyed the laws of its Creator, in terms of its season to produce edible fruits. The Bible Jesus was practically going against the will of Biblical God, when the Biblical Jesus began to find ways of not going on the cross, so that his soul can be cursed for your benefit (remember that his soul does not even benefit from this tragedy). This all took place with the climatic cry "my God, my God, why has thou forsakened me?" If tour Biblical jesus was perfect, there would never have any possibility for Satan to have the means of tempting him. But in this case he was tempted 3 times, for food, for worldly possession and to show relationship with God. In all, if this is your role model I do not want any part of you and your Biblical role model.

  All religions are superficially similar but when you scratch the surface you will find that they are fundamentally different.  The Truth is truth wherever it is found.  The Truth book is the revelation of God to man and this is not religion but about a Man.  Let us hear the testimony of God the Father about this Man from one of the eyewitnessess in Matthew 3:16-17; .
[center]"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased".[/center]
In Matt.17:5
  [center]"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him"".[/center]

The claim of this Man in John 14:6
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me".

and the confirmation of this Man by the Holy Ghost in[b] John 14:15-18,26[/b].

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him[/color][color=#990000].

24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

These all point to the revelation of the Truth of God about this Man.  Religions are either making up their own truths or searching for it.  Buddha said "I die seeking truth", M'hammed was not sure of his destination he said: "By All'ah, though I am the Apostle of All'ah, yet I do not know what All'ah will do to me" Hadith vol.5. no.266, but Jesus Christ said that "I am the Way, the Truth and the life" which can also mean that He is the Way of Truth to Life Eternal.  It is clearity and unambiguity that appeals to your own truth.  It is not religion but the Truth that will make us free from all the half truths and blatant lies of the devil.  He said that "I am come that they may have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."  The Truth states that Jesus lived a pure and perfect life and so pleased God and that we should hear Him.

olabowale:

But wait, the Qur'a.n declares that saving a soul is like saving all mankind: We see that all humanity began with the production (as if saved) of a single soul, Adam.

We see that a person who brough peace and reconciliation between parties has averted rancor and rifts between the parties.

We see that a spouse that speaks goodly with the patner will have a very inviting and welcoming bed to sleep in.

We see that a person who speak eloquently about a way to avert a war has displayed heroizm. If a person has all these qualities above, then believes in God, absolutely and do good work in righteousness, hoping for reward with the God Almighty Creator, alone, please know that God will shower His Mercies and His Forgiveness on this soul. The soul will not enter Hellfire but Paradise, InshaAllah.

Let us consider our case study once again.  In our scenario, we have the culprit who has been found guilty of the crime of armed robbery; we have the judge who is a good and just judge; we also have the set penalty for the crime which is either to pay the fine of $1million or go to life imprisonment.

You have rightly said that the judge should sentence the culprit despite the fact that the culprit has pleaded guilty and has apologized for his misdemeanor.  The culprit does not have the means of paying this fine and therefore has no choice other than to go to jail.  But if the lawyer representing the culprit brought to the attention of the culprit that the good judge has written out a cheque of $1million to pay for his fine, the culprit has a choice whether to receive it or to turn down the offer.  If he accepts the offer he walks free but if because of his pride and prestige he decides to doubt the goodwill of the judge and chooses to go to jail instead the judge will respect his wishes.

This scenario can be used to describe our reality.  God is the righteous judge who's eyes cannot behold iniquity(sin) His standard of righteousness is 100% or perfection; We, humanity are the culprits that have broken His commandments, we have all sinned and fallen short of His glory; There is no amount of good works that can reach the standard of God's righteousness; The penalty for our sin is death and hell and if God is to remain righteous He must sentence us according to His law that He set in place;  God in His Divine Wisdom planned a way out for us, and that is for the death penalty to be paid for.  The only penalty that would be accepted is life for life.  He said in Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the alter to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul." and "without the shedding of blood is no remission" of sin.  The sin problem has been solved 2,000 years ago when Jesus Christ who was the Lamb of God shed His blood to take away the sin of the world. Jn.1:29  He stepped into the courtroom and paid the fine with His Own blood so that we could walk free.

The Word of God says that "death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof" Prov.18:21.  Your decision will determine where you will spend your eternity, heaven or hell.  God has created us as free moral agents and therefore would respect the decision you make, as it is not in His Character to force Himself on us.  God will always respect what we consider to be our reality.  Hell is self perpetuating, those who have rejected God's offer of salvation are given the opportunity to continue to live without God's presence.  He always respect our wishes.  He has given us that authority which He will not take away from us.

olabowale:

Finally, your three for one godheads sound like Onishongo of Oyo, the Oloshun of oshogbo, the Aborisha of Ijebu ode (since I am an ijebu ode boy, i do not want people to say that Olabowale is partial). I do not want to be like you, mister. I wonder which of the godheads will stop the other which is bent on punishing you, since they ae all separate and apart, full god each? I hope you learn that you are on a path leading to pardition via this exchange.

You still have time to make a 180 degree turn. That is best for you.

Religions, whatever they may be will only at best make you know about a divine being or God but will not make you to know, love or serve God.  "The thief cometh not but to steal, kill and destroy but I am come that ye might have life and that ye might have life more abundantly" that is the difference.  Jesus has not only come to pay for our sins but to reconnect us back to our maker and that His life may flow through to us as was intended in the beginning, but the devil has come to deny, change, misinterprete and confuse us by the use of all these human philosophies and doctrines of the devil to make us lose eternal life. Remember that "the just shall live by his faith" Habakkuk 2:4;Rom.1:17

Romans 10:9-13

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So what you believe and confess will determine your conversation, conduct, character and eternal destiny.

@Olaadegbu:

All religions are superficially similar but when you scratch the surface you will find that they are fundamentally different. The Truth is truth wherever it is found. The Truth book is the revelation of God to man and this is not religion but about a Man. Let us hear the testimony of God the Father about this Man from one of the eyewitnessess in Matthew 3:16-17; 17:5. The claim of this Man in John 14:6 and the confirmation of this Man by the Holy Ghost in John 14:15-18,26.

These all point to the revelation of the Truth of God about this Man. Religions are either making up their own truths or searching for it. Buddha said "I die seeking truth", M'hammed was not sure of his destination, but Jesus Christ said that "I am the Way, the Truth and the life" this is a bold statement of fact that we should take seriously. It is clearity and unambiguity that appeals to your own truth. It is not religion but the Truth that will make us free from all the lies of the devil. He said that "I am come that they may have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." The Truth states that Jesus lived a pure and perfect life and so pleased God and that we should hear Him.

Ogbeni, you should have been able to simply google ahadith about Paradise, instead of being so predictable. Is there anyone from mankind that will enter Paradise before Mu.h.amm.ad? Never a soul before him!

From Bukhari ahadith

Volume 1, Book 3, Number 131:
Narrated Anas:

I was informed that the Prophet had said to Mu'adh, "Whosoever will meet Allah without associating anything in worship with Him will go to Paradise." Mu'adh asked the Prophet, "Should I not inform the people of this good news?" The Prophet replied, "No, I am afraid, lest they should depend upon it (absolutely)."

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 631:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Allah will prepare for him who goes to the mosque (every) morning and in the afternoon (for the congregational prayer) an honorable place in Paradise with good hospitality for (what he has done) every morning and afternoon goings.

SAHIH BUKHARI, BOOK 10: Times of the Prayers

Volume 1, Book 10, Number 548:
Narrated Abu Bakr bin Abi Musa:

My father said, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Whoever prays the two cool prayers ('Asr and Fajr) will go to Paradise.' "

SAHIH BUKHARI, BOOK 27: Minor Pilgrammage (Umra)

Volume 3, Book 27, Number 1:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "(The performance of) 'Umra is an expiation for the sins committed (between it and the previous one). And the reward of Hajj Mabrur (the one accepted by Allah) is nothing except Paradise." If all of these

If all of these and many more, too numerous to list are means for the musl.i.ms (followers of M.uha.mma.d) to enter Paradise, just imagine the position of the Prophet, who is their chairman! You think Jesus will enter Paradise before Mu.hamm.ad? Never! Mu.hammad was the prophet God loves so much that He attaches Muha.mm.ad's name to His; Mu.hamm.adr Rasulullah.


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Let us consider our case study once again. In our scenario, we have the culprit who has been found guilty of the crime of armed robbery; we have the judge who is a good and just judge; we also have the set penalty for the crime which is either to pay the fine of $1million or go to life imprisonment.

You have rightly said that the judge should sentence the culprit despite the fact that the culprit has pleaded guilty and has apologized for his misdemeanor. The culprit does not have the means of paying this fine and therefore has no choice other than to go to jail. But if the lawyer representing the culprit brought to the attention of the culprit that the good judge has written out a cheque of $1million to pay for his fine, the culprit has a choice whether to receive it or to turn down the offer. If he accepts the offer he walks free but if because of his pride and prestige he decides to doubt the goodwill of the judge and chooses to go to jail instead the judge will respect his wishes.

This scenario can be used to describe our reality. God is the righteous judge who's eyes cannot behold iniquity(sin) His standard of righteousness is 100%; We, humanity are the culprits that have broken His commandments, we have all sinned and fallen short of His glory; There is no amount of good works that can reach the standard of God's righteousness; The penalty for our sin is death and hell and if God is to remain righteous He must sentence us according to His law that He set in place; God in His Divine Wisdom planned a way out for us, and that is for the death penalty to be paid for. The only penalty that would be accepted is life for life. He said in Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the alter to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul." and "without the shedding of blood is no remission" of sin. The sin problem has been solved 2,000 years ago when Jesus Christ who was the Lamb of God shed His blood to take away the sin of the world. Jn.1:29 He stepped into the courtroom and paid the fine with His Own blood so that we could walk free.

The Word of God says that "death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof" Prov.18:21. Your decision will determine where you will spend your eternity, heaven or hell. God has created us as free moral agents and therefore would respect the decision you make, as it is not in His Character to force Himself on us. God will always respect what we consider to be our reality. Hell is self perpetuating, those who have rejected God's offer of salvation are given the opportunity to continue to live without God's presence. He always respect our wishes. He has given us that authority which He will not take away from us.
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Your problem is that you did not factor in that the Judge did not make any laws. Rather he interpretes the laws and he is not above the laws. But God is different. He is the Maker of the laws, hence he is not guided by it. As I have said to you and all the Christians, God does not have a need a ransome. Hence the position that you are desperately putting Jesus in, is hopelessly flaws. Where is the true mercy, except as the M.usl.ims have indicated it?

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Religions, whatever they may be will only at best make you know about God but will not make you to know or love God. "The thief cometh not but to steal, kill and destroy but I am come that ye might have life and that ye might have life more abundantly" that is the difference. Jesus has not only come to pay for our sins but to reconnect us back to our maker and that His life may flow through to us as was intended in the beginning, and remember that "the just shall live by his faith" Habakkuk 2:4;Rom.1:17

Romans 10:9-13

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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

So what you believe and confess will determine your conversation, conduct, character and eternal destiny.
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I think you are talking about Christianity. It is the christians who fluctuate between the Creator of Jesus, Jesus and a ghost as gods. Mu.s.lims know God. He is One Lord God Almighty. I know God. By A.ll.ah, I dreamt about Him! Thats how I knew my mother would not die as a Christian. I am a daayy of Is.lam (Propagator). Hang around me enough, or any of the brothers on Nairaland, InshaAllah, you will discover Isla.m.

Google the Q.ur'a.n for all your concerns. See mercy of A.lla.h about what He made M.uha.mm.ad in the lives of mankind. Read verse 128 of chapter 9 (Tauba) of the full concern for mankind, by Mu.ha.mm.ad.

@all
I am finally done with my exams. I am now ready to reply to posts. My initial challenge still remains: I challenge the idea of "justification by faith alone" as being wrong and not completely scriptural. I challenge readers of the bible to prove me wrong.

@olabowale and Olaadegbu
Please return to the issue of this post. This is not a Christian vs is-lam post.

@syrup
How and where are you?