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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by collynzo2(m): 11:11am On Jul 08, 2013
BigBenoski:
Source?
The onus is on you to find out, you can copy and paste any of those into a search engine
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by 360command: 11:17am On Jul 08, 2013
jackbauersballs: From Coal?

In this day and age where most countries are looking to reduce their carbon footprints, Naija wants to fire up the Coal Factories...

Lol una for even use firewood join...Olodo FG
. Australia still uses this method of electricity generation as I write to you.

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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by Dibiachukwu: 11:18am On Jul 08, 2013
Others are switching off from coal. Nigeria decides it is time to use coal. Coal is very dirty. Nuclear for industries and solar/reusable energies for domestic.Why isn't solar popular in Nigeria yet. That way you can easily have 24hrs electricity.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by collynzo2(m): 11:24am On Jul 08, 2013
Dibiachukwu: Others are switching off from coal. Nigeria decides it is time to use coal. Coal is very dirty. Nuclear for industries and solar/reusable energies for domestic.Why isn't solar popular in Nigeria yet. That way you can easily have 24hrs electricity.
Bros coal is still the number one source of electricity in the world, all the big countries have coal as their number one source of electricity. Check all the countries I posted before. The US produces 44% of its electricity from coal, that's very huge when you consider the fact that they still have numerous other sources like wind, hydro, nuclear, solar etc. There is a reason why all those countries still have coal as their number one source, if those other renewable sources were better, they would have been number one in those countries by now. One of the few developed countries who doesn't have coal as its number one source of power is France, but their number one source is Nuclear energy. Nuclear is hardly renewable and is more dangerous than coal.

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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by johnbeazy: 11:41am On Jul 08, 2013
While I agree with your point collynzo2, with the discovery of Shale gas the US is moving more towards natural gas for its energy production.

collynzo2: Bros coal is still the number one source of electricity in the world, all the big countries have coal as their number one source of electricity. Check all the countries I posted before. The US produces 44% of its electricity from coal, that's very huge when you consider the fact that they still have numerous other sources like wind, hydro, nuclear, solar etc. There is a reason why all those countries still have coal as their number one source, if those other renewable sources were better, they would have been number one in those countries by now. One of the few developed countries who doesn't have coal as its number one source of power is France, but their number one source is Nuclear energy. Nuclear is hardly renewable and is more dangerous than coal.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by eddyland: 11:53am On Jul 08, 2013
alwys talking gibberish, d hydro nd thermal on ground, hw far hav u developd it optimaly? Dats hw d alwys talk of new refineris witout mekin d ones on ground work optimaly. If i say no hope 4 dis entity cald 9jeria nw, ppl wil complain, bt do we evn tink dat hop is smtin evalastin witout achivment? Hop is smtin dat has tim frame, smtin dt can b achievd within a possibl short tim frame dat u nd i can attest 2. At d age of 90, ppl wil stil hear dis same stories, infact ppl wil die nd go sef, notin wil stil hapen, nd ppl wil kip on sayin dier is hop in dis country, i knw is only if Jesus comes nw dat ppl we undastand dt 9ja is a hoples country. We as individuals, we hav hope, bt 9ja as an entity no hop. 20yrs ago, i knw wr china ws, bt as country wit hop, luk at wr dey ar nw. In 9ja, 50yrs 2 com sef, dey wil stil be retrogresin. Hop comes wit signs, nd until we begin 2 see doz signs, 4 nw dier is no hope. Let me butres d point, yes it is true dat 9jeria is nt generatin enof powa 4 nw, bt if dier is hop 4 d nation, dey way dey wil evn me rationin d litl we hav, wil giv one a sense of belongin 2 a country dat has hope, evn if it is only 6hrs a day dat lite wil com, we we al knw nd make best use of d litl, judiciously. Hav u eva imagine d rationale behind jst oning d lite, in d nxt two minute d lite is gone again, den whts d need, wht can a normal human being achiev wit jst two munite of power, y raise ppls hope wit oning lite 4 jst two minutes nd offing it again, does dat mek any sense. Y nt wen d lit is on, at least evn if it is evn 3hrs constant evryday, one can use it wisely nd knw dat once d lite has com, it has com. By so doin, we can nw say dt dier is hop dat ppl in charge reasn lik human beigns. Am sory 2 say dis, 4 nw, no hope 4 9ja. Is it d ASUU strike day in day out, or d fuel scarcity, day in day out, or d power outage day in day out, or d bad roads day in day out, or d health workers strik day in day out, or d coruption at al angles day in day out, or d pdp,apc,ac,apga,anpp saga day in day out, or d election rigins day in day out,or d exam malpractice encouragment day in day out, or d man knw man emloyment patan day in day out, i can kip mentionin endlesly. Ar al doz tins abov dat hav engulf d country, ar dey wht we see as hop 4 d nation. Who evn cares in takling dem. Bt dis ar al tins dat wit lit effort nd diplomacy, can al be curtaild 2 d bearest minimum, bt nobody is evn ready, nd we wake up nd say dier is hope in 9ja. If u dnt knw it, knw it nw, 9ja is a hoples nation as an entity, bt we as individual, we hav lots of hopes, dat is y u can see a poor man 2day, 2mrw he is drivin big cars because of d hop in him, bt 9ja as an entity, no way 4 nw, no hop 4 nw. I rest my case
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by Azeez532(m): 11:53am On Jul 08, 2013
Nigerians can't be fooled any longer by all these statements,we are interested in d commissioning of d project jare.another news.......
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by obailala(m): 11:55am On Jul 08, 2013
addictiv:
[size=14pt]for your own information countries using coal are moving towards renewable's .if you know anything about global energy, you should know that countries are fined heavily for each metric ton of carbon produced, and thus they are trying as much as possible to step their figures down.
what happened to our gas, much of it is still flared or liquefied and exported as LNG. then even with the little that goes to the gas turbines, the infrastructure to utilize them are either not available or not functioning optimally. counties are upping their hydroelectric systems, investing in fuel cells and bio fuels which we can conveniently develop with the massive presence of fossil fuels.And someone is talking about coal.if we start using coal when people are leaving it, how does that reflect on us in the international community? with the environmental effects, what legacy are we leaving for the future generation. always remember that a problem deferred is never a problem solved. being very hungry is not a good reason to eat foods that will kill you, we must change that mentality if we want to progress as a nation.[/size]
Haha!
For your own information again, the so called developed countries you talk of are only just 'thinking' and 'planning' to move away from coal. Yes we all know coal is 'dirty' in every sense but these advanced countries will not completely depart from coal even in the next 50 years. The development of sustainable and clean energy is still in the infant stage and isn't ready to replace fossil fuels in the world energy stage; not even in the next 100 yrs.

Yes we know Nigeria has a lot of natural gas being flared off and even exported, we also know we have potentials to improve on our hydro-power but the keyword here is 'diversify.' Even if Nigeria produces 50,000MW of energy from gas or hydro, it is still imperative that we diversify our sources.

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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by kalufelix(m): 12:27pm On Jul 08, 2013
give us light
light! Light!! O
No b mega watts

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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by carluva(m): 12:30pm On Jul 08, 2013
If dey like let dem generate d power frm firewood, al we need is light not some silly noise!!!!
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by otokx(m): 12:37pm On Jul 08, 2013
Nice long term plan
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by johnbeazy: 1:01pm On Jul 08, 2013
Composition of Electricity by Resource (TWh per year 2008)

Nigeria (21 TWh): Coal [b](0%)
, Oil (14.8%), gas(57.1%), Nuclear (0%), Renew(27.1%): (hydro (27.1%)), Bio (0%)[/b]

World (20,261(TWh)):Coal (41%), Oil(5.50%), gas(21%), Nuclear (13%), Renew(18%)(hydro(16%), wind,solar e.t.c), Bio (0.1%)
1. US (4,369 TWh): Coal (48.8%), Oil (1.3%), gas(20.9%), Nuclear (19.2%), Renew(8.2%)(hydro(6.5%),), Bio (1.7%)
2. China(3,457 TWh): Coal (79.1%), Oil (0.7%), gas (0.9%), Nuclear(2.0%), Renew (17.3%): (Hydro (16.9%)), Bio (0.1%)
3. Japan(1,082 TWh): Coal (26.6%), Oil (12.8%), gas(26.2%), Nuclear(23.8%), Renew (8.4%): (Hydro (7.7%)), Bio (2%)
4. Russia(1,040 TWh): Coal (18.9%), Oil (1.5%), gas(47.6%) Nuclear(15.7), Renew (16.1% ): (Hydro (16.1%)), Bio (0.2%)
5. India(830 TWh): Coal(68.6%),Oil(4.1%), gas (9.9%), Nuclear (1.8%), Renew (15.4%): (Hydro (13.7%)), Bio (0.2%)
6. Canada(651 TWh):Coal(17.2%), Oil(1.5%) gas(6.3% ), Nuclear (14.4%), Renew (59.3%): (Hydro (58.8%)), Bio (1.3%)
7. Germany (637 TWh): Coal(45.7%), Oil(1.4%), gas( 13.8%),Nuclear (23.2%), Renew(11.3%): (Hydro(4.2%), Wind(6.4%)), Bio (4.6%)
8. France(575 TWh): Coal(4.7%), Oil(1.0%), gas(3.8%), Nuclear(76.3%), Renew(13.0%): (Hydro(11.8%),), Bio (1%)
9. Indonesia(463 TWh): Coal(40.9%), Oil(28.9%), gas(16.8%), Nuclear(0%), Renew(13.4%): (Hydro (8.1%), Geo thermal (5.6)), Bio (0%)
10. South Korea(446 TWh): Coal(43.0%), Oil(3.4%), gas(18.2%), Nuclear (33.9%), Renew(1.4%): Hydro(1.3%), Bio (0.2%)
11. Italy (389 TWh): Coal(15.4%),Oil(9.7%), gas (54.2%), Nuclear (0%), Renew(18.2%): (Hydro (14.7%),) Bio (2.7%)

Source: (Note converted energy generation data to % of total from source)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_generation#List_of_countries_with_source_of_electricity_2008

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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by collynzo2(m): 1:04pm On Jul 08, 2013
^^^ proves my point. All the countries which generate sufficient electricity have one thing in common, COAL. That might just explain Nigeria's problems.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by addictiv(m): 1:15pm On Jul 08, 2013
obailala:
Haha!
For your own information again, the so called developed countries you talk of are only just 'thinking' and 'planning' to move away from coal. Yes we all know coal is 'dirty' in every sense but these advanced countries will not completely depart from coal even in the next 50 years. The development of sustainable and clean energy is still in the infant stage and isn't ready to replace fossil fuels in the world energy stage; not even in the next 100 yrs.

Yes we know Nigeria has a lot of natural gas being flared off and even exported, we also know we have potentials to improve on our hydro-power but the keyword here is 'diversify.' Even if Nigeria produces 50,000MW of energy from gas or hydro, it is still imperative that we diversify our sources.
[size=13pt]so because you want to diversify, you build a new estate with thatched houses made of mud when other people are converting their mud buildings to concrete... we have two major sources which are hydropower from kanji dam and gas, how well have we used them? diversification is cool but you ll agree with me that the cost of building and developing a coal based industry is much more compared to upgrading the gas power industry which we already have....the key words are sustainability and conservation. its just like buying a new car because the one you have isnt functioning properly when it just needs proper care and servicing. how sure are you that the new one isnt gonna meet the same fate?. God bless Nigeria!!![/size]
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by obailala(m): 1:30pm On Jul 08, 2013
addictiv:
[size=13pt]so because you want to diversify, you build a new estate with thatched hoses made of mud when other people are converting their mud buildings to concrete... we have two major sources which are hydropower from kanji dam and gas, how well have we used them? diversification is cool but you ll agree with me that the cost of building and developing a coal based industry is much more compared to upgrading the gas power industry which we already have....the key words are sustainability and conservation. its just like buying a new car because the one you have isnt functioning properly when it just needs proper care and servicing. how sure are you that the new one isnt gonna meet the same fate?. God bless Nigeria!!![/size]
I totally agree with you that "the cost of building and developing a coal based industry is much more compared to upgrading the gas power industry which we already have" especially when you consider the peculiarities of our nation Nigeria. However, I totally disagree with you that we shouldn't be tapping into coal as a source of power simply because advanced nations are 'thinking' of moving away from it.

In your analogy, you say "you build a new estate with thatched houses made of mud when other people are converting their mud buildings to concrete" but my question is, "how many of these people have made any significant progress in converting their thatched houses to concrete?"... "how many will even complete this conversion in the next 50-100 years?" If building new estates with thatched mud houses would shelter us from the rain, do you advice that we keep living under trees while we wait for the day the world would perfect the technology for building concrete houses?

As I said earlier, I only agree with you about the Nigerian factor that "the cost of building and developing a coal based industry is much more compared to upgrading the gas power industry which we already have"
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by johnbeazy: 1:34pm On Jul 08, 2013
addictiv: This is not a diversification issue. While I believe that the focus should be on natural gas similar to Russia because of our huge gas reserves, Nigeria needs to ramp up its power generation. Just upgrading or utilizing the power generation plants currently available would not quadruple our power generation capacity. We need to explore coal (coal technology not as infra-structurally challenging as natural gas by the way). Also coal for power generation can also help spur up the mining sector and create jobs

addictiv:
[size=13pt]so because you want to diversify, you build a new estate with thatched houses made of mud when other people are converting their mud buildings to concrete... we have two major sources which are hydropower from kanji dam and gas, how well have we used them? diversification is cool but you ll agree with me that the cost of building and developing a coal based industry is much more compared to upgrading the gas power industry which we already have....the key words are sustainability and conservation. its just like buying a new car because the one you have isnt functioning properly when it just needs proper care and servicing. how sure are you that the new one isnt gonna meet the same fate?. God bless Nigeria!!![/size]
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by obailala(m): 1:35pm On Jul 08, 2013
collynzo2: ^^^ proves my point. All the countries which generate sufficient electricity have one thing in common, COAL. That might just explain Nigeria's problems.
Nigeria is planning on using only renewable clean energy because we care so much about the environment.

Talk of a baby running before learning how to walk grin
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by playmode(m): 1:38pm On Jul 08, 2013
[size=15pt]Once i saw the word "committee" i did not bother to read further.Nigeria is the only country where they set up committees like no tomorrow.Why don't they invite Siemens or Hitachi to come and give them the framework instead of setting up committees of fake professor and chop chop Doctors who will not achieve anything.Too muck talking less working.

While the Nigerian Government is setting up committees ,see what other African countries have achieved and are building upon:

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Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by collynzo2(m): 1:38pm On Jul 08, 2013
obailala:
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In your analogy, you say "you build a new estate with thatched houses made of mud when other people are converting their mud buildings to concrete" but my question is, "how many of these people have made any significant progress in converting their thatched houses to concrete?"... "how many will even complete this conversion in the next 50-100 years?" If building new estates with thatched mud houses would shelter us from the rain, do you advice that we keep living under trees while we wait for the day the world would perfect the technology for building concrete houses?

Perfect analogy
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by collynzo2(m): 1:43pm On Jul 08, 2013
obailala:
Nigeria is planning on using only renewable clean energy because we care so much about the environment.

Talk of a baby running before learning how to walk grin
Meanwhile, the countries that generate enough power use mainly non renewable like coal and nuclear energy. The analogy you gave above sums it all up.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by addictiv(m): 2:12pm On Jul 08, 2013
[size=13pt]...i have been to the afam gas megapower station owned by phcn in obigbo in rivers state.out of the all the gas turbines in the plant only two are functioning GT's 17 and 18,with GT 18 being shut down partially due to technical faults. NGC metering station is located opposite. its designed to supply gas exclusively to phcn, but phcn is always calling and asking that gas supply be shutdown because of faults from the gas turbines....this is a station responsible for what i believe is 60% of power in the state yet they have just two functioning gas turbines and their supply is fairly good. then imagine what would happen if they had six or seven optimally functioning turbines. exploring coal should be at the event gas supply isnt enough but since thats not the case. we should concentrate on ugrading our power stations...i really think thats where the problem originates from.[/size]
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by collynzo2(m): 2:24pm On Jul 08, 2013
addictiv: [size=13pt]...i have been to the afam gas megapower station owned by phcn in obigbo in rivers state.out of the all the gas turbines in the plant only two are functioning GT's 17 and 18,with GT 18 being shut down partially due to technical faults. NGC metering station is located opposite. its designed to supply gas exclusively to phcn, but phcn is always calling and asking that gas supply be shutdown because of faults from the gas turbines....this is a station responsible for what i believe is 60% of power in the state yet they have just two functioning gas turbines and their supply is fairly good. then imagine what would happen if they had six or seven optimally functioning turbines. exploring coal should be at the event gas supply isnt enough but since thats not the case. we should concentrate on ugrading our power stations...i really think thats where the problem originates from.[/size]
Gas turbines alone cannot solve our electricity problems. There is a reason why all the countries with stable electricity have coal in common. France which is the exception uses nuclear power not gas. How many megawatts of electricity do you think a typical fully fuctional gas plant produces? Very litttle bro. You'll hardly find a gas plant anywhere in the world that produces up to 1 000 MW of electricity whereas coal, hydro and nuclear power plants that produce 10 000MW and above are found everywhere. Go figure.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by koladebrainiac(m): 3:22pm On Jul 08, 2013
nitlad:


Words that i hate: 'set up committee', 'inline with global best practise' these words are lies and always in paper! Mtcheww,y are am i here anyway! Next lie pls
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by harryolt: 3:35pm On Jul 08, 2013
nitlad:

they are always generating electricity that we have never seen.. SMH..
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by 1025: 3:43pm On Jul 08, 2013
sometimes, i take time out to shame for this shameless FG that talks from all her body parts with no action from anywhere.
the assembly of things like maku, okukpe and abati is a gathering of men without conscience who are capable of saying one thing in the morning and another in the evening.
since this govt came into power, it has been from one endless/non fruitful promise to another.
sometimes, i wonder if these so-called rulers have family members who tell them what nigerians are saying out of their pains.
what makes these fools think that egypt and libya is not possible here in nigeria.
u keep talking about what u will do from the day u start campeign till the day u end ur tenure.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by Olatund19: 5:01pm On Jul 08, 2013
This is no news hav been hearing this countless times even b4 i was born,must committe b raise on every simple single thing?
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by eastOFwest(m): 6:07pm On Jul 08, 2013
jackbauersballs: From Coal?

In this day and age where most countries are looking to reduce their carbon footprints, Naija wants to fire up the Coal Factories...

Lol una for even use firewood join...Olodo FG

Actually most countries, including UK, are going back to coal. Gas is too dear and is controlled by some very unfriendly east European countries; nuclear power is expensive, complicated, takes yrs to come on stream and nobody wants it in their backyard. Wind farms are not as good-value-4-money as initially thought plus nobody wants it in their backyard - shell had to abandon plans to build a massive wind farm in the Thames estuary near London. And, this "carbon footprint" and "global warming" (which they conveniently renamed "climate change" because the earth wasn't warming like they said) thing is turning out to be a load of bullocks.

Who come be the olodo now?
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by eastOFwest(m): 6:19pm On Jul 08, 2013
eddyland: alwys talking gibberish, d hydro nd thermal on ground, hw far hav u developd it optimaly? Dats hw d alwys talk of new refineris witout mekin d ones on ground work optimaly. If i say no hope 4 dis entity cald 9jeria nw, ppl wil complain, bt do we evn tink dat hop is smtin evalastin witout achivment? Hop is smtin dat has tim frame, smtin dt can b achievd within a possibl short tim frame dat u nd i can attest 2. At d age of 90, ppl wil stil hear dis same stories, infact ppl wil die nd go sef, notin wil stil hapen, nd ppl wil kip on sayin dier is hop in dis country, i knw is only if Jesus comes nw dat ppl we undastand dt 9ja is a hoples country. We as individuals, we hav hope, bt 9ja as an entity no hop. 20yrs ago, i knw wr china ws, bt as country wit hop, luk at wr dey ar nw. In 9ja, 50yrs 2 com sef, dey wil stil be retrogresin. Hop comes wit signs, nd until we begin 2 see doz signs, 4 nw dier is no hope. Let me butres d point, yes it is true dat 9jeria is nt generatin enof powa 4 nw, bt if dier is hop 4 d nation, dey way dey wil evn me rationin d litl we hav, wil giv one a sense of belongin 2 a country dat has hope, evn if it is only 6hrs a day dat lite wil com, we we al knw nd make best use of d litl, judiciously. Hav u eva imagine d rationale behind jst oning d lite, in d nxt two minute d lite is gone again, den whts d need, wht can a normal human being achiev wit jst two munite of power, y raise ppls hope wit oning lite 4 jst two minutes nd offing it again, does dat mek any sense. Y nt wen d lit is on, at least evn if it is evn 3hrs constant evryday, one can use it wisely nd knw dat once d lite has com, it has com. By so doin, we can nw say dt dier is hop dat ppl in charge reasn lik human beigns. Am sory 2 say dis, 4 nw, no hope 4 9ja. Is it d ASUU strike day in day out, or d fuel scarcity, day in day out, or d power outage day in day out, or d bad roads day in day out, or d health workers strik day in day out, or d coruption at al angles day in day out, or d pdp,apc,ac,apga,anpp saga day in day out, or d election rigins day in day out,or d exam malpractice encouragment day in day out, or d man knw man emloyment patan day in day out, i can kip mentionin endlesly. Ar al doz tins abov dat hav engulf d country, ar dey wht we see as hop 4 d nation. Who evn cares in takling dem. Bt dis ar al tins dat wit lit effort nd diplomacy, can al be curtaild 2 d bearest minimum, bt nobody is evn ready, nd we wake up nd say dier is hope in 9ja. If u dnt knw it, knw it nw, 9ja is a hoples nation as an entity, bt we as individual, we hav lots of hopes, dat is y u can see a poor man 2day, 2mrw he is drivin big cars because of d hop in him, bt 9ja as an entity, no way 4 nw, no hop 4 nw. I rest my case

I'm speechless! What sort of English is this? I'm sure it took you longer to write in this BBM language.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by enny5: 6:39pm On Jul 08, 2013
Lordave: and now you are five can you compare the condition of this present power sector with that of when you were 6months old?

yaa coz it will be like dis, then wen jonathan wins re-election, the story will become ''we ran out of fundings for the completion of the project'' den it will go back to ow it was b4 his campaign. we have relived it many times. we know all these things. This is campaign strategy.
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by rhames(m): 6:54pm On Jul 08, 2013
tell us something else
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by capip120(m): 7:33pm On Jul 08, 2013
No b today we start to hear dis news now e don tay! D oda time na 11;000 to day na f**k thousand? Nonsense! Hahaahjahahahahahahhahahajajahajahaj!!!
Re: FG To Generate 4,000MW Electricity From Coal by Evolo(m): 7:42pm On Jul 08, 2013
Megawatts again...we want light o...not megawatts...we're not interested in the megawatts.

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