Let me start this thread by asking two questions-

a) "How can someone write as an authority on a subject/issue that has over a million interpretations/views?"
b) "How can an illiterate lecture the literate?"


There is a reason I still have some little respect for reverend fathers and priests despite the fallen status of their mother church. The reason is that they are educated. They learn apologetics and other subjects in the seminary. Some have degrees in philosophy, history, theology and education. Many reverend fathers will give a tough and intellectual debate to anyone challenging their doctrine. They know in and out of their religion

However, we now have preachers who do not have sound academic backgrounds but have managed to read the bible in entirety. These preachers have only half baked knowledge of what they are preaching. They can quote the whole bible but can not explain the history behind the bible (example; the culture of the Isrealites, the canonization of bible books etc)


In my own opinion, I believe that Goshen is an example of a half baked preacher. But why is he a Pharisee? I am saying that he is because writes like a Rabbi/teacher with authority and arrogance here on the religion section. Just go through his profile page and look at his topics- most of them railing against "bible Judaizers", "erroneous church teachings" and "mixing of scriptures" but then, how is his own interpretation any better?

Also, in contrast to Anony, Ihedinobi, Striklymi and co, Goshen lacks knowledge in socio-cultural issues surrounding christianity. Goshen has a lot of followers here and I want to ask a simple question; when is the last time Goshen made a post on issues like abortion, human rights, christian-islam relations, growth of atheism etc that you liked? He rarely makes a contribution that relies purely on reasoning. This is why I wonder why he preaches with authority here. Compare this with Anony, Italo and co who can give balanced contributions in and out of the bible. Sometimes, when these christian guys talk about some 1st century history concerning christianity, I am amazed.


Tbaba's case is even worse!He is intelligent but also arrogant. I dont even have to talk too much to prove this. Tbaba talks a lot about economics and psychology (as related to islam) a lot. Tbaba also posts on the islam section like a cleric. He writes and his adoring followers read and accept. But is he writing sensible things?

Tbaba's arrogance comes in when you realise that he knows next to nothing about economics and psychology. He even went as far as talking nonsense about Sigmund Freud in one of his (Tbaba's) pseudo-psychology threads . Thankfully, his thread was criticised for the insolence and misinformation it carried. I can also point to my debates with him in the islam section as Abdulsaleek. Tbaba usually claims that Islam can solve the economic problems of the world through islamic finance and sharia. Ask him how and you will get nonsense answers plus covert abuse.




I know that there is some hypocrisy in my write up. I also write with certain elements of arrogance/authority plus I also have some followers here. But I am not a preacher and my interpretations of worldly events are subject to evidence, reasoning and facts. I do not use religion to explain economics like my pharisee brethren

am sorry to derail; bros, hw do i search for threads.

List of nairaland pharasee

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olire: am sorry to derail; bros, hw do i search for threads.

Just use the search bar at the top of the page

mumumugu: List of nairaland pharasee

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Yawn

yo! You'd have given some pointers na. Some sort of evidence. Don't ya think?

Mr Troll: yo! You'd have given some pointers na. Some sort of evidence. Don't ya think?

Goshen's profile is there.


Then here is Tbaba's useless psychology thread
https://www.nairaland.com/1336251/quranic-response-psychological-theories

What is the meaning of pharisee? That word sef don suffer.

Image123: What is the meaning of pharisee? That word sef don suffer.

Simple-

-the Pharisees had authority and were respected but didnt know what they were preaching.

Logicboy03:

Simple-

-the Pharisees had authority and were respected but didnt know what they were preaching.

okay. So its self coined.

Image123:
okay. So its self coined.

Trolling much? You didnt read your bible, Mr Christian?

Logicboy03:

In my own opinion, I believe that Goshen is an example of a half baked preacher.

Thank God you said IT IS YOUR OWN OPINION! You're entitled to your own opinion boy! And if your opinion is what it is, when have you defeated this 'half baked' preacher in an intellectual debate without resulting to insult and running away from such thread? Every time you and I discuss, you always result to insult and dodging intellectual questioning but I have always answered you in most of our reasoning in the past and even tell you what you don't know but you think you know from your 22 years of eating communion bread without knowing things you should know

Logicboy03:

But why is he a Pharisee? I am saying that he is because writes like a Rabbi/teacher with authority and arrogance here on the religion section.

Who is\are Pharisee(s) by the way? Your response:

Logicboy03:

Simple-

-the Pharisees had authority and were respected but didnt know what they were preaching.

But here is your answer:

A sect that seems to have started after the Jewish exile. In addition to OT books the Pharisees recognised in oral tradition a standard of belief and life. They sought for distinction and praise by outward observance of external rites and by outward forms of piety, and such as ceremonial washings, fastings, prayers, and alms giving; and, comparatively negligent of genuine piety, they prided themselves on their fancied good works. They held strenuously to a belief in the existence of good and evil angels, and to the expectation of a Messiah; and they cherished the hope that the dead, after a preliminary experience either of reward or of penalty in Hades, would be recalled to life by him, and be requited each according to his individual deeds. In opposition to the usurped dominion of the Herods and the rule of the Romans, they stoutly upheld the theocracy and their country's cause, and possessed great influence with the common people. According to Josephus they numbered more than 6000. They were bitter enemies of Jesus and his cause; and were in turn severely rebuked by him for their avarice, ambition, hollow reliance on outward works, and affection of piety in order to gain popularity.

Now, tell me, how am I an enemy of Christ and His cause on earth and how am I arrogant here? You are the very one that insult people when they engage you intellectually and you have failed to reason logically even when you maintain an I.D, LOGICboy.

Logicboy03:

Just go through his profile page and look at his topics- most of them railing against "bible Judaizers", "erroneous church teachings" and "mixing of scriptures" but then, how is his own interpretation any better?

Yes, Judaizer Christians are the very enemies of Christ and his cause - they still want to BIND Christians with BOUNDage that Christ came to set us free from. Those are the real pharisees. I teach scriptures and interpret to balance and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit. Judaizers says we (Christians) must still follow the Mosaic teachings but scriptures says, Moses teachings was not written to Christians but to national Israel and Judaizers ONLY pick what suits them from Moses teachings but Moses teachings says DO ALL OR NONE; TO BREAK ONE IS TO BE GUILTY OF ALL. The entire Moses teachings is SHADOWS AND SHADES, Christ & faith in the finished works of Christ is the SUBSTANCE. Why do Judaizers want to put Christians UNDER BOUNDage which Christ came to set people free and even the national Israel COULD NOT KEEP THE MOSAIC LAW\TEACHINGS?

This is a serious matter you have raised in honesty and this is the only reason I'm responding to this thread. Judaizers and Judaism are the LAW of Moses KEEPERS (but they cannot keep it) that makes null & void the work of Grace and Cross of Christ. To everyone who have come to Christ, Moses and his teachings had come to an END for Christ is THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS TO EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES. I'm fully going to do like Paul the Apostle - TO TEAR DOWN JUDAISM AND THE JUDAIZERS, separate Judaism from Christianity and present the reality (SUBSTANCE) of our Christ\faith to my generation. Furthermore, I don't mix Old with the New Covenant because I didn't belong to the Old but the new. Judaizers and teachers of the law are those who mix both and thereby come with errors for the new testament Christians. This is because people think the whole Bible was written to everybody, THAT IS WRONG AND FALSE TEACHINGS! Christians are under a NEW and BETTER Covenant and this new covenant IS NOT THE SAME OR CONTINUATION OF THE OLD BUT ARE DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT COMPLETELY.

Logicboy03:
Also, in contrast to Anony, Ihedinobi, Striklymi and co, Goshen lacks knowledge in socio-cultural issues surrounding christianity.

I am a GOSPEL preacher & teacher NOT a social-cultural speaker! If need arises for me to talk about that I will and also, the fact I don't air my view on the public forum doesn't mean I don't talk about it. I don't go deep into baseless arguments. Again, my time is too precious for such discussion. Christ didn't send me to go teaching socio-cultural issues but make disciples of all nations and call men from darkness into the kingdom of God by the preaching of the gospel of Grace.

Logicboy03:
Goshen has a lot of followers here and I want to ask a simple question; when is the last time Goshen made a post on issues like abortion, human rights, christian-islam relations, growth of atheism etc that you liked? He rarely makes a contribution that relies purely on reasoning. This is why I wonder why he preaches with authority here. Compare this with Anony, Italo and co who can give balanced contributions in and out of the bible. Sometimes, when these christian guys talk about some 1st century history concerning christianity, I am amazed.

Talk about ABORTION? Are you serious? What is my business teaching abortion? Are you for real? Talk about GROWTH OF ATHEISM? Seriously? Am I part of your atheist company that I will be talking about your growth? You better come to Christ and not forsake your creator in the days of your youth. Again, what is my business boring people with vain philosophy. You think say I no go school ni? You must be kidding right! Anyway, I will rather go straight to the point on any subject I'm teaching than dabbling into philosophy and all that.

The guys you mentioned that are doing well in that aspect, they can continue. We cannot all do the same thing. This is not to mean that I cannot talk or don't know about those aspects of life but it's irrelevant to the context of my teachings except when need be. In all, when you're asked what do you achieve a particular thread other than arguing back and forth, then such time to me is wasted.

The Chief Pharisee has arrived!

Give me an hour, I will reply your comment. Busy at the moment.


Thanks for gracing this thread

^ Na you sabi. You just like to dey look for people trouble sha. Anyway, me too wan go sleep now; it's sleep o'clock for me now!

Goshen360:

Thank God you said IT IS YOUR OWN OPINION! You're entitled to your own opinion boy! And if your opinion is what it is, when have you defeated this 'half baked' preacher in an intellectual debate without resulting to insult and running away from such thread? Every time you and I discuss, you always result to insult and dodging intellectual questioning but I have always answered you in most of our reasoning in the past and even tell you what you don't know but you think you know from your 22 years of eating communion bread without knowing things you should know

Thanks for the rant! However, I have never engaged in a debate with you. Quoting bible is not an argument.

Goshen360:
Who is\are Pharisee(s) by the way? Your response:


But here is your answer:
A sect that seems to have started after the Jewish exile. In addition to OT books the Pharisees recognised in oral tradition a standard of belief and life. They sought for distinction and praise by outward observance of external rites and by outward forms of piety, and such as ceremonial washings, fastings, prayers, and alms giving; and, comparatively negligent of genuine piety, they prided themselves on their fancied good works. They held strenuously to a belief in the existence of good and evil angels, and to the expectation of a Messiah; and they cherished the hope that the dead, after a preliminary experience either of reward or of penalty in Hades, would be recalled to life by him, and be requited each according to his individual deeds. In opposition to the usurped dominion of the Herods and the rule of the Romans, they stoutly upheld the theocracy and their country's cause, and possessed great influence with the common people. According to Josephus they numbered more than 6000. They were bitter enemies of Jesus and his cause; and were in turn severely rebuked by him for their avarice, ambition, hollow reliance on outward works, and affection of piety in order to gain popularity

Too long.

Pharisees-

a) Had authority as they were the authority on scriptures/law
b) Had a misunderstanding of the scriptures as Jesus corrected them (Eg he without sin cast the first stone etc)

So, my definition is correct.

You lack the open mind to numerous interpretations of the scripture that Anony has. Do you have any formal education on theology or scripture? What makes you a Gospel Preacher or teacher? Who are you to call someone a Judaizer or false prophet?

Goshen360:
Now, tell me, how am I an enemy of Christ and His cause on earth and how am I arrogant here? You are the very one that insult people when they engage you intellectually and you have failed to reason logically even when you maintain an I.D, LOGICboy.

Rant....emotional rant.

Goshen360:
Yes, Judaizer Christians are the very enemies of Christ and his cause - they still want to BIND Christians with BOUNDage that Christ came to set us free from. Those are the real pharisees. I teach scriptures and interpret to balance and leave the rest to the Holy Spirit. Judaizers says we (Christians) must still follow the Mosaic teachings but scriptures says, Moses teachings was not written to Christians but to national Israel and Judaizers ONLY pick what suits them from Moses teachings but Moses teachings says DO ALL OR NONE; TO BREAK ONE IS TO BE GUILTY OF ALL. The entire Moses teachings is SHADOWS AND SHADES, Christ & faith in the finished works of Christ is the SUBSTANCE. Why do Judaizers want to put Christians UNDER BOUNDage which Christ came to set people free and even the national Israel COULD NOT KEEP THE MOSAIC LAW\TEACHINGS?

Are you against gay rights or marriage? You too are a Judaizer using Mosaic law.

Goshen360:
This is a serious matter you have raised in honesty and this is the only reason I'm responding to this thread. Judaizers and Judaism are the LAW of Moses KEEPERS (but they cannot keep it) that makes null & void the work of Grace and Cross of Christ. To everyone who have come to Christ, Moses and his teachings had come to an END for Christ is THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS TO EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES. I'm fully going to do like Paul the Apostle - TO TEAR DOWN JUDAISM AND THE JUDAIZERS, separate Judaism from Christianity and present the reality (SUBSTANCE) of our Christ\faith to my generation. Furthermore, I don't mix Old with the New Covenant because I didn't belong to the Old but the new. Judaizers and teachers of the law are those who mix both and thereby come with errors for the new testament Christians. This is because people think the whole Bible was written to everybody, THAT IS WRONG AND FALSE TEACHINGS! Christians are under a NEW and BETTER Covenant and this new covenant IS NOT THE SAME OR CONTINUATION OF THE OLD BUT ARE DIFFERENT AND DISTINCT COMPLETELY.

And your teachings are not false? Is your preaching better than catholic doctrine which most christians follow?
What makes your religion better than Judaism?

Goshen360:
I am a GOSPEL preacher & teacher NOT a social-cultural speaker! If need arises for me to talk about that I will and also, the fact I don't air my view on the public forum doesn't mean I don't talk about it. I don't go deep into baseless arguments. Again, my time is too precious for such discussion. Christ didn't send me to go teaching socio-cultural issues but make disciples of all nations and call men from darkness into the kingdom of God by the preaching of the gospel of Grace.

Thanks for admitting that you do not speak on those issues

What formal education with regards theology/scripture do you have to make you a gospel preacher?


Christ himself spoke on socio-cultural issues ranging from marriage to leadership. Jesus talked about treating one another, talked about relationships with outsiders, pro.stitues and drunkards. Jesus talked about political power.
So who are you to tell me that you have better things than to do than to preach about socio-cultural issues as a follower of christ?

Goshen360:
Talk about ABORTION? Are you serious? What is my business teaching abortion? Are you for real? Talk about GROWTH OF ATHEISM? Seriously? Am I part of your atheist company that I will be talking about your growth? You better come to Christ and not forsake your creator in the days of your youth. Again, what is my business boring people with vain philosophy. You think say I no go school ni? You must be kidding right! Anyway, I will rather go straight to the point on any subject I'm teaching than dabbling into philosophy and all that.

Christ himself spoke on socio-cultural issues ranging from marriage to leadership. Jesus talked about treating one another, talked about relationships with outsiders, pro.stitues and drunkards. Jesus talked about political power.
So who are you to tell me that you have better things than to do than to preach about socio-cultural issues as a follower of christ?



Even Paul in the bible did some philosophy.

Goshen360:
The guys you mentioned that are doing well in that aspect, they can continue. We cannot all do the same thing. This is not to mean that I cannot talk or don't know about those aspects of life but it's irrelevant to the context of my teachings except when need be. In all, when you're asked what do you achieve a particular thread other than arguing back and forth, then such time to me is wasted.

Yawn

Logicboy03:

Pharisees-

a) Had authority as they were the authority on scriptures/law
b) Had a misunderstanding of the scriptures as Jesus corrected them (Eg he without sin cast the first stone etc)

(a) Authority on the scriptures\law? That's why I told you I don't belong under the law (of Moses) so how am I a pharisee then? I teach as a gift to the body of Christ not as a pharisee who have "authority on scriptures\law".

(b) Again, under the law of Moses, no one is completely free of one sin or the other. When they could not cast the first stone means they were also guilty of breaking another law - sin is breaking of the law but where there's no law, there's no sin to commit. Indeed, people who teach the law do not understand it themselves. I don't teach the mosaic law to Christians so how do I qualify as a pharisee?

Logicboy03:

You lack the open mind to numerous interpretations of the scripture that Anony has. Do you have any formal education on theology or scripture? What makes you a Gospel Preacher or teacher? Who are you to call someone a Judaizer or false prophet?

There's only ONE interpretation to scriptures except when we are confused about it. All scriptures must align. One man can fall into error due to the fact he could align properly the interpretation but doesn't mean scriptures have MANY interpretation. Having formal education on theology is irrelevant and that's my personal issue even though I have said on this forum in the past, I attended a Bible School BUT I don't support it no more because I later understand it is just an advancement of what one man or group of people believes and might not necessarily be God's complete counsel. I am a gospel preacher because I proclaim Christ and the gospel of grace of Christ not religion of the law - Judaism. I can call a person Judaizer when they make void the finished works of Christ and I can call them false because the NT calls them(Judaizers) false. Those aren't my own coined words!

Logicboy03:

Are you against gay rights or marriage? You too are a Judaizer using Mosaic law.

YES! I'm against GAY marriage. They can do it as a RIGHT because everyone has a right to live the way he\she wants but doesn't mean it is acceptable with God. That's not a MOSAIC LAW issue. It is also a new testament issue. This is one thing people don't realize - The fact that God RE-introduced some things from the Mosaic Law to the NT, people think we are still under MOSES. It's just like Nigeria amend a constitution and they bring certain things from the old to the new. Does that mean they still follow the OLD? Homo.se.xuals, gays,lesbianism are all act of UNnatural and perversion! HENCE, I DO NOT SUPPORT SUCH ACTS IN THE LIGHT OF THE NT SCRIPTURES. However, I don't condemn them though because God loves both the righteous and the sinners alike.

I have to go now, I will respond to the rest of your post later!

I think Goshen has responded well to U, logic, so far. And, pls, be less
caustic in the use of words. People don't respond well to abuses even in the name of criticism.

And for Goshen, as long as we are on a public forum like this one, we
open ourselves to criticisms. I would advice U respond to logic as U have been doing but with less vitroilics.

Logicboy, what are your views of Olaadegbu, alexleo, Bidam and Image 123?

DrummaBoy: I think Goshen has responded well to U, logic, so far. And, pls, be less
caustic in the use of words. People don't respond well to abuses even in the name of criticism.

And for Goshen, as long as we are on a public forum like this one, we
open ourselves to criticisms. I would advice U respond to logic as U have been doing but with less vitroilics.

Logicboy, what are your views of Olaadegbu, alexleo, Bidam and Image 123?

you need him to recommend us or approve us, right? i understand your craving for reputable men of God but please spare me.

Goshen360:

(a) Authority on the scriptures\law? That's why I told you I don't belong under the law (of Moses) so how am I a pharisee then? I teach as a gift to the body of Christ not as a pharisee who have "authority on scriptures\law".

(b) Again, under the law of Moses, no one is completely free of one sin or the other. When they could not cast the first stone means they were also guilty of breaking another law - sin is breaking of the law but where there's no law, there's no sin to commit. Indeed, people who teach the law do not understand it themselves. I don't teach the mosaic law to Christians so how do I qualify as a pharisee?



There's only ONE interpretation to scriptures except when we are confused about it. All scriptures must align. One man can fall into error due to the fact he could align properly the interpretation but doesn't mean scriptures have MANY interpretation. Having formal education on theology is irrelevant and that's my personal issue even though I have said on this forum in the past, I attended a Bible School BUT I don't support it no more because I later understand it is just an advancement of what one man or group of people believes and might not necessarily be God's complete counsel. I am a gospel preacher because I proclaim Christ and the gospel of grace of Christ not religion of the law - Judaism. I can call a person Judaizer when they make void the finished works of Christ and I can call them false because the NT calls them(Judaizers) false. Those aren't my own coined words!



YES! I'm against GAY marriage. They can do it as a RIGHT because everyone has a right to live the way he\she wants but doesn't mean it is acceptable with God. That's not a MOSAIC LAW issue. It is also a new testament issue. This is one thing people don't realize - The fact that God RE-introduced some things from the Mosaic Law to the NT, people think we are still under MOSES. It's just like Nigeria amend a constitution and they bring certain things from the old to the new. Does that mean they still follow the OLD? Homo.se.xuals, gays,lesbianism are all act of UNnatural and perversion! HENCE, I DO NOT SUPPORT SUCH ACTS IN THE LIGHT OF THE NT SCRIPTURES. However, I don't condemn them though because God loves both the righteous and the sinners alike.

I have to go now, I will respond to the rest of your post later!

The only clear condemnation of homosexuality is in the Old Testament. Accept it, you are a Judaizer.

Secondly, there are many interpretations of the scriptures and not just one. You dont speak Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek, so I wonder how you can claim anything when there is even debate on translations. Ignorance leads to your Phasrisee-ish position that there is only one interpretsation- suspiciously, it is the one you preach

DrummaBoy: I think Goshen has responded well to U, logic, so far. And, pls, be less
caustic in the use of words. People don't respond well to abuses even in the name of criticism.

And for Goshen, as long as we are on a public forum like this one, we
open ourselves to criticisms. I would advice U respond to logic as U have been doing but with less vitroilics.

Logicboy, what are your views of Olaadegbu, alexleo, Bidam and Image 123?

Goshen responded well? lol

How was I caustic? This is how people lie and the lie becomes the truth.....read the op and show me how I was caustic. Mtchew



As for Olaadegbu, alexleo, Bidam and Image 123, it will derail this thread. My opinion of them is not going to be positive, seeing that i am not a christian

Image123:
you need him to recommend us or approve us, right? i understand your craving for reputable men of God but please spare me.

Guilty conscience.


Or are you a judaizer?

Logicboy03:

The only clear condemnation of homosexuality is in the Old Testament. Accept it, you are a Judaizer.

Can you see why I said you cannot argue logically? Is homo.se.xual not mentioned in the new testament? Do you\we stone them to death like the Old testament? What\where then is the condemnation aside the truth that God doesn't like such perversion? As homo was mentioned in the old, so it resurfaced in the new and that's the new testament eyes with with I look at it as a wrong act.

Logicboy03:

Secondly, there are many interpretations of the scriptures and not just one. You dont speak Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek, so I wonder how you can claim anything when there is even debate on translations. Ignorance leads to your Phasrisee-ish position that there is only one interpretsation- suspiciously, it is the one you preach

Jesus is Lord means only one thing not two. We know in part and prophesy in part but what was in part is now complete. People have two or different interpretation because they still like to mix the old and the new together. The scripture says both are DIFFERENT and it will always look like many interpretation for those who don't accept the new and better covenant and cannot balance the DIFFERENCE that exist between the covenants. I don't have to speak Greek and Hebrew to study the word. There are Greek and Hebrew materials to do such study.

Goshen360:

Can you see why I said you cannot argue logically? Is homo.se.xual not mentioned in the new testament? Do you\we stone them to death like the Old testament? What\where then is the condemnation aside the truth that God doesn't like such perversion? As homo was mentioned in the old, so it resurfaced in the new and that's the new testament eyes with with I look at it as a wrong act.

See this one! You, Goshen? You talking about arguing logically? Mr bible thumper?

Cant you see how you are even struggling? Guy why not quote from the New Testament on homosexual condemnation? Where is it?

Goshen360:
Jesus is Lord means only one thing not two. We know in part and prophesy in part but what was in part is now complete. People have two or different interpretation because they still like to mix the old and the new together. The scripture says both are DIFFERENT and it will always look like many interpretation for those who don't accept the new and better covenant and cannot balance the DIFFERENCE that exist between the covenants. I don't have to speak Greek and Hebrew to study the word. There are Greek and Hebrew materials to do such study.

Lol......I hope you do realise that there are different interpretations of the new testament?

Goshen, thanks for exposing your hollow self.


You are not qualified to be a preacher. You dont even know the huge role translation plays in New Testament interpretation.

This is why I said in the op that all these new age bible preachers only know what is written in their New edition bibles and are ignorant of the history of the bible

Brother Goshen, Anony, Image123 and co, please continue the good work. Down here in Asaba, for the past few months, I've been printing some of your topics and we have used them in our fellowship for group discussions and Bible study.
Words can not express how much of a help it has been in building up our faith.

Thank you and God bless you brothers.

Logicboy03:

Thanks for the rant! However, I have never engaged in a debate with you. Quoting bible is not an argument.




Too long.

Pharisees-

a) Had authority as they were the authority on scriptures/law
b) Had a misunderstanding of the scriptures as Jesus corrected them (Eg he without sin cast the first stone etc)

So, my definition is correct.

You lack the open mind to numerous interpretations of the scripture that Anony has. Do you have any formal education on theology or scripture? What makes you a Gospel Preacher or teacher? Who are you to call someone a Judaizer or false prophet?





Rant....emotional rant.




Are you against gay rights or marriage? You too are a Judaizer using Mosaic law.




And your teachings are not false? Is your preaching better than catholic doctrine which most christians follow?
What makes your religion better than Judaism?



Thanks for admitting that you do not speak on those issues

What formal education with regards theology/scripture do you have to make you a gospel preacher?


Christ himself spoke on socio-cultural issues ranging from marriage to leadership. Jesus talked about treating one another, talked about relationships with outsiders, pro.stitues and drunkards. Jesus talked about political power.
So who are you to tell me that you have better things than to do than to preach about socio-cultural issues as a follower of christ?







Christ himself spoke on socio-cultural issues ranging from marriage to leadership. Jesus talked about treating one another, talked about relationships with outsiders, pro.stitues and drunkards. Jesus talked about political power.
So who are you to tell me that you have better things than to do than to preach about socio-cultural issues as a follower of christ?



Even Paul in the bible did some philosophy.




Yawn

bros, sorry to derail again but, hw do u gys post like dis?

DrummaBoy: I think Goshen has responded well to U, logic, so far. And, pls, be less
caustic in the use of words. People don't respond well to abuses even in the name of criticism.

And for Goshen, as long as we are on a public forum like this one, we
open ourselves to criticisms. I would advice U respond to logic as U have been doing but with less vitroilics.

Logicboy, what are your views of Olaadegbu, alexleo, Bidam and Image 123?

So what purpose will his opinion about us serve you DrummaBoy?

Logicboy03:


Goshen responded well? lol

How was I caustic? This is how people lie and the lie becomes the truth.....read the op and show me how I was caustic. Mtchew



As for Olaadegbu, alexleo, Bidam and Image 123, it will derail this thread. My opinion of them is not going to be positive, seeing that i am not a christian

The reason we preach to you is because we love you and want you to make heaven with us. No personal issues. Give your life to Christ, he loves you more than we do. Thanks.

Logicboy03:

And your teachings are not false? Is your preaching better than catholic doctrine which most christians follow?
What makes your religion better than Judaism?

The fact that you or people don't agree with what I teach doesn't mean it is false. Just do like the Bereans and study the word. Catholic doctrine? Most people follow? That's why we are the NEW BREED with the gospel of Grace and truth that came by Jesus, not by Moses unto Judaism.

Christianity is living the life of Christ, from inside to outside. There's s life put in us at new creation and that life that we live out is what Christianity is, different from Judaism of eye for an eye etc.

Logicboy03:

Thanks for admitting that you do not speak on those issues

What formal education with regards theology/scripture do you have to make you a gospel preacher?

This is why I said you can't argue logically. What has 'formal education with regards to theology/scriptures' got to do with truth that I teach? Must I attend theological school to get information in this day and age? Tell me, what theology school did the Apostles attended? Did Jesus attended? Huh? Well, I told you I attended a Bible college here in the USA but later realized I was being taught by men rather than by the Holy Spirit in studying to show myself approved unto God.

I'm not saying is a bad idea to kick out bible school but most of them is an extension of man's teachings and that's why we have many errors being extended because if a man is in error and operates a bible school, imagine what happens? He extends this error by teaching unto his bible students but we should do like the Bereans, search the scriptures(study) to see if what these things being taught are true and that's my I'm different because I study something different from what people\many teach.

Logicboy03:

Christ himself spoke on socio-cultural issues ranging from marriage to leadership. Jesus talked about treating one another, talked about relationships with outsiders, pro.stitues and drunkards. Jesus talked about political power.
So who are you to tell me that you have better things than to do than to preach about socio-cultural issues as a follower of christ?

Again, I'm not called because I'm already called. I'm SENT to preach the GOSPEL OF CHRIST not to be a motivational speaker or socio-cultural discourse but if such come up, I will always contribute but not to mix that with the gospel. The issues raised above (marriage, leadership, pros.titution and drunkards etc), we have discussed on this forum. You just like looking for unnecessary trouble.

Logicboy03:

Even Paul in the bible did some philosophy.

Paul did some philosophy? Tell us, in what? Philosophy in the gospel? In the law of Moses? In what? So we can apply it appropriately to me and what is the importance or usefulness of this philosophy to the gospel of Christ?

Logicboy03:

The only clear condemnation of homosexuality is in the Old Testament. Accept it, you are a Judaizer.

Well, Logisboy, homo.se.xuality is NOT an old testament thing. It is also not permitted in the New Testament. I can argue logically this subject even without scriptures how homo.se.xuality is WRONG ACT!

Logicboy03:

See this one! You, Goshen? You talking about arguing logically? Mr bible thumper?

Cant you see how you are even struggling? Guy why not quote from the New Testament on homosexual condemnation? Where is it?

At least, I haven't quoted any bible until now that you demanding for one. Homo.se.xuality in the New Testament is an act against the natural way of God and it is a perversion of lifestyle. Don't push me too hard to begin to flog you with scriptures of homo.se.xuals in the New Testament o.

Logicboy03:

Lol......I hope you do realise that there are different interpretations of the new testament?

Goshen, thanks for exposing your hollow self.


You are not qualified to be a preacher. You dont even know the huge role translation plays in New Testament interpretation.

This is why I said in the op that all these new age bible preachers only know what is written in their New edition bibles and are ignorant of the history of the bible

Thanks for the commendation! Start by quoting the different translations that was translated into English.

alexleo:

The reason we preach to you is because we love you and want you to make heaven with us. No personal issues. Give your life to Christ, he loves you more than we do. Thanks.

Psalm 14;1 says that you dont love me.

Goshen360:

The fact that you or people don't agree with what I teach doesn't mean it is false. Just do like the Bereans and study the word. Catholic doctrine? Most people follow? That's why we are the NEW BREED with the gospel of Grace and truth that came by Jesus, not by Moses unto Judaism.

Christianity is living the life of Christ, from inside to outside. There's s life put in us at new creation and that life that we live out is what Christianity is, different from Judaism of eye for an eye etc.

See this guy. Who do you think you are fooling with this preaching? You are not a new breed. You are part of a 2,000 year old scam of ignorant preachers leading the brainwashed sheep.

What makes you think that you are living the life of Christ?

Goshen360:
This is why I said you can't argue logically. What has 'formal education with regards to theology/scriptures' got to do with truth that I teach? Must I attend theological school to get information in this day and age? Tell me, what theology school did the Apostles attended? Did Jesus attended? Huh? Well, I told you I attended a Bible college here in the USA but later realized I was being taught by men rather than by the Holy Spirit in studying to show myself approved unto God.

I'm not saying is a bad idea to kick out bible school but most of them is an extension of man's teachings and that's why we have many errors being extended because if a man is in error and operates a bible school, imagine what happens? He extends this error by teaching unto his bible students but we should do like the Bereans, search the scriptures(study) to see if what these things being taught are true and that's my I'm different because I study something different from what people\many teach.

Which truth are you teaching?
You that are not qualified to be a a teacher of the scriptures? You have had little or no formal education on theology or on the scriptures? What is the difference between you and Sign Fireman (or any Tom, Dickingson or Harry) that just picks up a bible and starts preaching his own special interpretation?


You clearly do not even understand the history of the bible or the history of Isreal. All you know is what is in the bible. The difference between you and Anony is that Anony realises that there is Isrealite/Jewish/Biblical history outside the bible.

Goshen360:
Again, I'm not called because I'm already called. I'm SENT to preach the GOSPEL OF CHRIST not to be a motivational speaker or socio-cultural discourse but if such come up, I will always contribute but not to mix that with the gospel. The issues raised above (marriage, leadership, pros.titution and drunkards etc), we have discussed on this forum. You just like looking for unnecessary trouble.

You are sent to preach the Gospel? Sent by who? Joagbaje?

Jesus was a socio-cultural speaker. Furthermore, you rarely "discuss" any of these issues, so stop lying. You have no sense when it comes to dealing with atheists and unbelievers. Nothing. Empty. Did Jesus stay with only believers?

Goshen360:
Paul did some philosophy? Tell us, in what? Philosophy in the gospel? In the law of Moses? In what? So we can apply it appropriately to me and what is the importance or usefulness of this philosophy to the gospel of Christ?

http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T4971

Goshen360:

Well, Logisboy, homo.se.xuality is NOT an old testament thing. It is also not permitted in the New Testament. I can argue logically this subject even without scriptures how homo.se.xuality is WRONG ACT!



At least, I haven't quoted any bible until now that you demanding for one. Homo.se.xuality in the New Testament is an act against the natural way of God and it is a perversion of lifestyle. Don't push me too hard to begin to flog you with scriptures of homo.se.xuals in the New Testament o.



Thanks for the commendation! Start by quoting the different translations that was translated into English.

1) It is impossible to argue that homosexuality is wrong based on logical arguments only.

2) Homosexuality is only clearly condemned in the Old Testament. Still waiting for you to quote the new testament to prove me wrong

3) If you had any formal lessons on the scripture, you would have learnt that some verses on homosexuality in the new testament are in dispute over varying translations