Halleluyah was a powerful word when Joshua led the Israelite to Jericho, Canaan. In reference to this, the modern Yoruba Christians will say, "aleluyah lo wodi Jericho". Unknown to us, we have our variant of the sacred word tucked in Yoruba tradition.

Now the surprise? the Yoruba variant of the word Halleluyah is, well, "Eriwoh-Yah".

Its okay to be laughing right now. But lets get to business, semantic business anyway. Did you notice "wo" in the statement "lo wo odi Jericho"? what Yoruba ready-made expression absorb this historic event? the idea is concealed in "Awodi" keep that idea somewhere, it is Yoruba idea of that 'Hebrew-Jericho' tradition before the christian era. it means "wall crushers".

Eriwo-Yah

The word eriwo yah pertains with Yoruba traditional religion practitioners. That is "Awon Awo". To us, 'awo' means 'secret', but etymological wise, (that is, to the ancestors who coined the word), it means viewers, onlookers, crushers or breakers. Wo in that respect means collapse.

Somehow, Awo is a variant or short word for Ariwo, meaning shouting or noise. The Ogu have this as Aho. the Yoruba do away with 'A' and we thus have 'Ho'. Thus in Yoruba, 'HO' means "chorus noise". Example for historical reference to this is iworo (IHO-ERO, ehoro, oro, that is 'chorus noise'). Aho and Awo are short for Ariwo. A[ri]wo.

Eriwo is the encryption or early form of ariwo. That's why we have "Mariwo" in Yoruba lexicon. Now if we substitute eriwo for ariwo in the phrase eriwoyah, we have 'ARIWO-YAH' which means, "the shout of Yah". And that's exactly what the word 'Halleluyah' means, 'the shout of Yah'.

Ariwo simply means, noise. But unveiling the mask, the word means "ari-wo" that is "we saw it collapsed" another way of seeing it is syllabic wise, that is 'ari' and 'iwo', which means "seer + horn" meaning "seer's horn". the whole idea is, the word ariwo or awo encapsulate the hebrew tradition that you can find in the book of Joshua 6:1-5.

N.B. this post is earlier titled "Yoruba Ancestral Version Of Halleluyah"

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If Eriwoh-yah in English is Halleluyah...

What about the english version of 'Aya gbo, Aya to, aya je

I do not want to believe that the "ya" in "eriwo-ya" is the same as the jewish "yah" because the translation of the latter is fraudulent and shizoid, likewise the vowel therein. Have you considered the various tonal translations of the yoruba "ya": (1) apart, as in tear apart (2) give way (3) replicate/reproduce, as in drawing something on paper or taking a photograph (4) divert? I may not have listed all possible meanings but I want to believe the ones that fit into the context of a fortification being made to give way would be (1), (2) and (4). I know the agbalagba utter "eriwo-ya" when entering about to enter towns during certain functions. Perhaps you prexios and those who are familiar with its use can help in this regard.

Amor4ce,

Its been quite a while, how have you been?

Another Tale of the blackMan's defeat.
So, Hebrew culture now gotta validate Yoruba.

harlos: If Eriwoh-yah in English is Halleluyah...

What about the english version of 'Aya gbo, Aya to, aya je

Aya Gbo means "Aya is ancient"
Aya To means "Aya is worthy"
Aya Je means "Aya answers"

That is to tell you that Aya is from Yah, or was there a god in Yoruba by that name? You and I know we are less briefed in Yoruba history as to the identity of Ayah. So, in cases like this, what do you make of your new entrant from classic lexicon, "Ayah" when moving forward to the next point depends on it?

kwangi: Another Tale of the blackMan's defeat.
So, Hebrew culture now gotta validate Yoruba.

There is no defeating the black man, history is a continuous flow of people from various places to the other. If you wax strong on 'black-man' crusade, you wont appreciate the link that binds humanity, you will bear grudges against others, maybe "whiteman" for having "victory" from the way you see the world. People exploits people, make peace with it and move on, don't get hold to recrimination over the issues of the past centuries, its an uneasy past. today, its not easy for the black, non black or for the white going over overt racial competition.

The job of a scholar or antiquarian is matching traditions and tracking the flow of culture where it seems similar, its not about "competition of races". Some other people or supremacist school of thought might be involve in this aspect. But for me, i believe people are descended from people irrespective of their present color, and i believe that BLACK people came from NON-BLACK PEOPLE.

The Yoruba culture made external validation expedient because they talk of external origin. We wont limit Yoruba history because we need to fortify black supremacy. Moreso, the expectation of the hebrew tradition is grafting a branch back to fold, who knows if this is a part of such?

amo4ce i have replied your post but it got missing, i will respond to that curiosity soon, keep update

amor4ce: I do not want to believe that the "ya" in "eriwo-ya" is the same as the jewish "yah" because the translation of the latter is fraudulent and shizoid, likewise the vowel therein. Have you considered the various tonal translations of the yoruba "ya": (1) apart, as in tear apart (2) give way (3) replicate/reproduce, as in drawing something on paper or taking a photograph (4) divert? I may not have listed all possible meanings but I want to believe the ones that fit into the context of a fortification being made to give way would be (1), (2) and (4). I know the agbalagba utter "eriwo-ya" when entering about to enter towns during certain functions. Perhaps you prexios and those who are familiar with its use can help in this regard.

Precise and frank.

I agree with you that one should not take it when all other shades are not entertained. Bear with me, i know that this post is abstracts coming together. if i wax semantic, you will find it a bit clumsy. Now i want you to know that Yoruba have need for the word Yah in form of "Oyah the wife of Sango."

The shades you mention are from the attributes of the legend, and it was the same reason these shades adumbrate the more classic usage, after all, the Yoruba have other befitting title for the Creator. Yah was not indispensable to them, not until one becomes suspicious of it in this piece of phrase.

Now if all the shades are to be considered, its just only "one" that has to rhyme with what the prefix "eriwo" is talking about, if not, there would be a confusion. If you don't agree with the shade that I endorse, then it means you don't buy into transliteration, which i often use as tool.

My interpretation is not fraudulent, I used "transliteration" here, not translation. then it allow me to correlate with the bible passage. Meanwhile, eriwo still stands for eri+wo or eri+iwo. what does eri mean, please help. i have always entertain that it means "dirty to behold give way". But i don't think that's the accurate interpretation.

Running after all possible meaning has its advantages, but the disadvantage is, your research becomes inconclusive if you have to aggregate all possible positions that you can think of. that's "the burden of proof." The beauty of it is make do with the quality angle that you've gotten first. "Akii tori awijare, kitan o tan lenu."

Elder Negro, greetings. Times have changed and I have not been able to participate actively on Nairaland due to certain circumstances.

Prexios, one of the kn"own translations of Aya" is "consort (spouse of a ruling monarch)" and I believe it is related to "Iya". "IYE" which has to do with life/existence as in the names "Aye"and "Jemiriye (not Jeremiah?)" has been suggested as Olodumare's name.

amor4ce: Elder Negro, greetings. Times have changed and I have not been able to participate actively on Nairaland due to certain circumstances.

Prexios, one of the known translations of Aya" is "consort (spouse of a ruling monarch)" and I believe it is related to "Iya". "IYE" which has to do with life/existence as in the names "Aye"and "Jemiriye (not Jeremiah?)" has been suggested as Olodumare's name.

Salutes, to all the elders in the house

amor4ce, you have spoken well. Thanks for bringing from obscurity that new contribution, Jemiriyeh. Iye is Life. Aya is queen regent as well. this is how i usually query a classic word such as Aya where it is ambiguous, i give every word translation, transliteration, archeological, speculative and speculative treatments before coming to conclusions.

The translation aspect of this word has to do with Oya, the queen regent. well i have some researches done about this legend and i will push this to press in the near future. before then, i want you to ponder on this point: Sango was identical with Oya, in that respect, Sango was a queen regent.

If i'm wrong, then how do you explain a legend adorned in a woman apparel with hairdo to go with it?

Well, I want to believe that many stories from Oyo about Sango are untrue, so I have no answer to your question.

amor4ce: Well, I want to believe that many stories from Oyo about Sango are untrue, so I have no answer to your question.

Never mind, the answers i will provide will only be reminders of some of the forgotten aspect of Yoruba history. there were no new stories anyway, its just reminders here and there. More so, people claims that Sango hang himself, being a tyranical king. That's a lie.

I am from Ado, remember it is said, "Sango Alado Oko-ya lode" or "Sango Okoya" Our forebears were struggling with interpretations of some subtle yoruba words just like us, but in their own respects, they do not know how to verify their claims on an interpretations, they just give their perspectives with impunity.

Well what the word Sango Alado means is "Sango was the parent of Ado, [who was a champion of the less privileged or] who opposed suffering in the city." OKOYA in this respect does not mean the husband of OYA, rather, it means opposer or Resistance to Suffering. Now my point becomes clearer if you examine the thought given as Olukoya in peoples' name.
was it Olu is the husband of Oya or Olu avenge suffering?

I am careful using "avenge", because Sango was not a war hero but a champion of noble cause. Now as to the fire emitting tradition, it is a misinterpretation of "Ayano". Remember "Ayato"? Oto and Ono is father an mother with Ogu people. Meanwhile Sango is an household name among the ogu people. Its easy to think of Ayano as 'godmother'.

well if i am Yoruba, i will find out what relationship exist between Aino and Ayano lest both might just be stretches of the same thread, yet i will want to assume that Yoruba were referring to a fierce woman or amazon as is the culture with eastern people of old.

There is an excellent journal paper about the Ogboni authored by Babatunde Lawal in which he translated "Eriwo Ya!" as "Lord of secrets, descend!". I know that "ri" means "to see or find" and remember that "ya" is used when refering to time of arrival or presence. Thus my my preferred translation of "eriwo ya" is "founder (or first one to see) of secrets (or mysteries), arrive (or make your presence known)!". In addition Orunmila is the first to see the secret of Odu, Oduduwa founded the Ogboni, Odu became Oduduwa, and Obatala married Oduduwa.

The details of the paper are:
A Ya Gbo, A Ya To: New Perspectives on Edan Ogboni
Babatunde Lawal, African Arts, Vol 28, No 1 (Winter, 1995), pp. 36-49+98-100
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3337249

amor4ce: There is an excellent journal paper about the Ogboni authored by Babatunde Lawal in which he translated "Eriwo Ya!" as "Lord of secrets, descend!". I know that "ri" means "to see or find" and remember that "ya" is used when refering to time of arrival or presence. Thus my my preferred translation of "eriwo ya" is "founder (or first one to see) of secrets (or mysteries), arrive (or make your presence known)!". In addition Orunmila is the first to see the secret of Odu, Oduduwa founded the Ogboni, Odu became Oduduwa, and Obatala married Oduduwa.

I don't know very much about the origin or how it came to use but 'eriwo ya' is totally far from saying what you think it is...
As it is used the 'ya' means to depart.
Sometimes used when making sacrifices, telling people to depart from road
when others reply with 'aya gbo, aya to, aya je'
meaning if you depart from road you'll live long to old days.

To me its like a warning word.

amor4ce: Well, I want to believe that many stories from Oyo about Sango are untrue, so I have no answer to your question.

With regards to Sango, I think Dierk Lange gave an insight to the mystical stories surrounding him. SANGU was the priestly name given to Ancient Assyrian kings particularly around the period of Sargonic dynasty around 700 BC. The stories of Alaafin Sango may have very well been distorted history from as far as the Assyrian kingship time line. As for the topic under discussion, I fear I don't have anything to contribute. It is beyond my scope of Yoruba Knowledge. Thanks

harlos,
Well, i know that when the initiates arrive or converge somewhere the non-initiates have to leave because for the latter it is a taboo to be present and is punishable with irresistable death. hence the initiates announe their presence by chanting "eriwo ya" and the non-initiates understand that they must not see the the secret.

Tony Spike, i also did not know what to contribute but the interest could not be quenched. there is this edition of encyclopaedia britannica in which sangu is described as a title for hausawa/assyrian priests, but i have not yet found any literature about maguzawa traditional offices or titles to confirm. about 2 hrs ago i began to wonder if sango could be an alternative title for the expelled otun efa just as olosi for osi efa.

^^

amor4ce: There is an excellent journal paper about the Ogboni authored by Babatunde Lawal in which he translated "Eriwo Ya!" as "Lord of secrets, descend!". I know that "ri" means "to see or find" and remember that "ya" is used when refering to time of arrival or presence. Thus my my preferred translation of "eriwo ya" is "founder (or first one to see) of secrets (or mysteries), arrive (or make your presence known)!". In addition Orunmila is the first to see the secret of Odu, Oduduwa founded the Ogboni, Odu became Oduduwa, and Obatala married Oduduwa.

Beautiful, amor4ce. You agree that oduduwa was a woman.

In my community, we have oduduwa temple visited by Samuel crowther in the 1800s. people of that time informed Crowder that oduduwa was "odu to da iwa." this informed his conclusion on oduduwa as "creator, maker of righteousness" this made it to his Yoruba dictionary. well he may be right, "odua" is a contraption of Oloduwa or eleduwa, that is "one who strives to sustain life [or existence]."

Crowther lived in a critical time, when Darwin's theory was ravaging the entire west and believe in God. the black were here connected with the great Ape that lies somewhere in Africa in his "origin of species" it was a racial knock for enlightened black community of the time who want to hook with the rest of human civilization.

Thus, Crowther was looking for a traditional verification to claim "Yoruba monotheism" and that temple and tradition gave him credence for this. he needed such believe at the said time for sociological and historical purposes. Ado was on the old path to Yorubaland from the coast to Abeokuta, the sunshine within tropic. Crowther broker peace with Ado and their Egba brothers who had laid siege on the ancient city for allying with Ota during the Yoruba civil war.

Where the peace agreement took place between the Egba and Ado came to be called "onibuku" (that is a corruption of "Holy book" crowther was on ground in the affairs of Yoruba back in those days to some extent. he was a scholar like us, looking for facts.

Today, traditionalist in my community believed that Oduduwa was a woman. You can see why i do not want to be too rooted in Ife tradition, it would clash with my communities tradition, one is either wrong or right, but i should not say my community is wrong.

When you say a wife of Obatala, it may not necessarily means literal wife, it could mean "disciples of Obatala".

At the said Oduduwa temple, people of Ogu or republic of Benin often come here to worship, they were called "DUDUACY" that is, "the wives or maids of Oduduwa." But the irony of it all is that, in my community, they do not worship Oduduwa per say, [it is a clan issue] they only have the temple and the people who officiate have a female head call "Iyalaje".

The compound where the temple stood is call "Ilaje" comparatively, what we call alaje is what those duduacy call "Dudua" in Benin Rep. thats why i often tended to the ogu words. DUDUA was their word, and it is here that people really worship with Oduduwa, not worship Oduduwa. a line of their chantries ended with

"Iba Oluwa Oluwa,
Mo gboisa Oluwa de"

"hallo the lord of Lords
I have come with the Lords worship"

Now who are the people that often make reverence to Lord of Lords?
Moreover, the "Oluwa Oluwa" is traditional version of "Oluwa awon Oluwa"
the ancient Yoruba have their "christianic sounding thoughts" before the modern Christians.

...So how come?

Tony Spike:

With regards to Sango, I think Dierk Lange gave an insight to the mystical stories surrounding him. SANGU was the priestly name given to Ancient Assyrian kings particularly around the period of Sargonic dynasty around 700 BC. The stories of Alaafin Sango may have very well been distorted history from as far as the Assyrian kingship time line. As for the topic under discussion, I fear I don't have anything to contribute. It is beyond my scope of Yoruba Knowledge. Thanks

of course i believe likewise that Yoruba often refers to areas outside yorubaland to the cradle crescent in the east. But in the case of Sango, she was not Sargon. the name Sango originated in Yoruba.

amor4ce: There is an excellent journal paper about the Ogboni authored by Babatunde Lawal in which he translated "Eriwo Ya!" as "Lord of secrets, descend!". I know that "ri" means "to see or find" and remember that "ya" is used when refering to time of arrival or presence. Thus my my preferred translation of "eriwo ya" is "founder (or first one to see) of secrets (or mysteries), arrive (or make your presence known)!". In addition Orunmila is the first to see the secret of Odu, Oduduwa founded the Ogboni, Odu became Oduduwa, and Obatala married Oduduwa.

That position is not right as you may want to put it.
Eriwo yah, is on its own, but you are now at another class, which is, "Elaro wa".
the priest of Yoruba would say, "Ela ro wa, baa femo loju ari ran." This simply means
ela-[opening] -ro [fall] -wa [come] -baa femo-loju [if we blow on a child's eye] -ariran [he would see]

Eriwo means eri-[head] wo-[that is seeing], yah [give way]. That's the rough interpretation. Yet within that same word, you see it is not possible for the head that see to give way, as long as awo means head to Yoruba. you can see the confusion.

Well, the easy you think it gets, the harder it becomes.

If you subscribe to an abstract interpretation because its coming from some authority, yomay buy into crappy interpretation.

I don't meant that to offend, i mean, we all are struggling to explain this classic word, do not bank on any authority, they do guesswork often, the word is older than all of us and, who knows who will break the code or kennel therein? if you go for superficial answers, you miss the chance to be the guy that breaks the code.

i'm counting on you, do not digress, stay your candor and endure long on a given word, dont bend or twist, that as to me is the rule of the thumb.

WITH ALL THESE THINGS I HAVE BEEN READING ABOUT THE YORUBA AND THEIR CULTURE AS IT RELATED TO THAT OF ACCIENT HEBREW, IS THERE ANY RECOGNITION YET BY THE JEW AUTHORITY? PLEASE I NEED SOMEONE TO ANSWER ME PLEASE

OJODEL10: WITH ALL THESE THINGS I HAVE BEEN READING ABOUT THE YORUBA AND THEIR CULTURE AS IT RELATED TO THAT OF ACCIENT HEBREW, IS THERE ANY RECOGNITION YET BY THE JEW AUTHORITY? PLEASE I NEED SOMEONE TO ANSWER ME PLEASE

As for me, you do not need someone to validate your history for you. You only need to know the truth about your origin and this might help you to find an accord with your creator, well, it helps historical wise, but as for me, it is a quest for a rebirth of Yoruba religion, and the need arise from the fact that you need a scripture, because the one you once have was lost and the oral tradition that remain is not strong enough on certain issue.

Meanwhile, what the prophet says is that from beyond the river of Ethiopia, my worshipers, even the daughter of my disperse ones shall bring my offering. That is what west Africa or the black race owes God who gave their ancestors the good land. it was a bargain of old because they consulted God before embarking on the journey.

Black Africa has common origin, especially with Nigeria as dispersal point of the blacks on the southern hemisphere, south of the Sahara, but we need Yoruba as arrowhead of that migration story because to whom much is given, much is expected.

Then also, Isaiah the prophet said:


Isaiah 65 (New International Version)

Judgment and Salvation

65 “I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me;
I was found by those who did not seek me.
To a nation that did not call on my name,
I said, ‘Here am I, here am I.’
2 All day long I have held out my hands
to an obstinate people,
who walk in ways not good,
pursuing their own imaginations—
3 a people who continually provoke me
to my very face,
offering sacrifices in gardens
and burning incense on altars of brick;
4 who sit among the graves
and spend their nights keeping secret vigil;
who eat the flesh of pigs,
and whose pots hold broth of impure meat;
5 who say, ‘Keep away; don’t come near me,
for I am too sacred for you!’
Such people are smoke in my nostrils,
a fire that keeps burning all day.

6 “See, it stands written before me:
I will not keep silent but will pay back in full;
I will pay it back into their laps—
7 both your sins and the sins of your ancestors,”
says the Lord.
“Because they burned sacrifices on the mountains
and defied me on the hills,
I will measure into their laps
the full payment for their former deeds.”

8 This is what the Lord says:

“As when juice is still found in a cluster of grapes
and people say, ‘Don’t destroy it,
there is still a blessing in it,’
so will I do in behalf of my servants;
I will not destroy them all.
9 I will bring forth descendants from Jacob,
and from Judah those who will possess my mountains;
my chosen people will inherit them,
and there will my servants live.
10 Sharon will become a pasture for flocks,
and the Valley of Achor a resting place for herds,
for my people who seek me.

As for me, we have scaled the pace to verse 8 of that prophecy. I believe that Crowther fit-in to the one who said "God, please do not destroy Yorubaland for a blessing is in it," during the time of Yoruba civil war of the 19th century. this prophecy equally apply to the issue of the slave trade as punishment for all the atrocities of paganism that crept in to black Africa.

I also believe that God has abandon the present Yoruba traditional religious system because it is already corrupt. well, the yoruba traditional religion has long abandon the God of their ancestors so no one lose in this respect. Its a kind of ethical divorce. That does not mean that the totality of the Yoruba has forsaken their traditional religion anyway, but it is no longer approved by God.

It started with with the worship of the Creator [isose: weekly observance] and ended with idolatry [iborisha]. This was due to the fact that they confused the alters made by their ancestors as a place to worship the builder of the alter. as a result, they began worshiping the people who put the alters in place instead of the God that the alter was dedicated to in the first instance, which is the creator.

But the work being done here is to salvage the "blessings" [guidance] trapped in it as of old, because it is out of this rubbles that the new idea of awareness will come as it is said by Jesus, concerning the prodigal son that "when he come to himself" compare the parable of Christ with Isaiah's prophecy above, you will see "pig" or swine. the prophet of islam also slam some Jew as being turn to swine- idolatry. that is the clue.

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prexios:

of course i believe likewise that Yoruba often refers to areas outside yorubaland to the cradle crescent in the east. But in the case of Sango, she was not Sargon. the name Sango originated in Yoruba.

Sango, like many other mystical names in Yoruba history, is more of a myth than reality. I would rather go with Dierk's insight on Alaafin Sango. I am very much in doubt of his existence as an Oyo king. Therefore, I want to believe he could have been SANGU, the priestly name for SARGON -the impossible timeline notwithstanding...

Tony Spike:

Sango, like many other mystical names in Yoruba history, is more of a myth than reality. I would rather go with Dierk's insight on Alaafin Sango. I am very much in doubt of his existence as an Oyo king. Therefore, I want to believe he could have been SANGU, the priestly name for SARGON -the impossible timeline notwithstanding...

Well the Yoruba would say, "afaimo" that is, "only in the absence of details or facts."

Sango was given to us by Yoruba en-route Oyo, she was also known as Olukoso. Now this is what you have to look at:
Olukoso-Alado. This is an example of figure of speech, a paradox to be precise. It says Olu-koso [prominent or eminent but unfruitful] Alado [parent of Ado]. what this means is t6hat Sango was a prominent figure but has no child save Ado. If you decide to look for Sango down to Sargon, well fine. you have to cross-check for this.

But Sango was disguised in Yoruba tradition as Obara, you may have to proof that Sargon has something to do with this obscure title as well. Meanwhile, a lot of tradition that connect with Yoruba origin has hiding-hook on Sango, and you will also have to be mindful of not being anachronistic, so that Sargon might fall to exact time before Yoruba exit from the East.

Sargon reigned from 2270 to 2215 BC, and archeology (Frank Willet, on Iwo-Eleru) dated Yoruba to 1000BC, the Yoruba origin is 1214 years belated from Sargon: that is, Sango had existed 1000 years before the founding of Yoruba civilization. That is anachronistic.

Then also, how did Sargon sire Ado? It is not by accident that Yoruba was connecting Ado to Sango, it is because the historic Ado, one of the forgotten heroes of ancient Yoruba was De-facto to the discovery of Yoruba land.

amor4ce: http://yemitom./2013/07/10/osiefa-olosi-onaefa-otunefa-satan-two-beasts-yoruba-tradition/

I have gotten it.

I must tell you that the Yoruba were very conscious of the devil as the devil in the way it appeared in the scriptures. i must also state my opinion: the Yoruba exit from the east was an act of independence, and a doom for the continued existence of her parent state.

So? The connotation is often that the migrants were adversary of the state, traitors. It felt bad but that was what God want should happen, people should not wall themselves in, they should go forward to new places. the parent state suffered the loss of people.

Now the Yoruba relapse into idolatry in subtle manner. they became delirious and desire to mutiny, they were homesick. they felt that the leaders of the emigrant tricked them, and they blame their plight on the arrowhead of the migration, whose name is like Osun or 'Esua. They made that to become Esu, that is, the devil.

Now, Esu or the trickster was the matron of Yoruba scholars, and the scholars as well were caregivers [awo] who treat their diseases. The Awo inadvertently humble the people before "Esu" by making them make sacrifice to appease esu when thins go wrong with them (enu ti igbin fi bu orisa...). The tradition survive till our time. that is why it is said the Yoruba make sacrifice to esu at Ikorita.

O gbo riru ebo, o ruu
O gb'eru atu- kesu, o tu,
Ogbo tiharara, ebo ha fun-un.

To some ancient Yoruba, the leader of the migration was an agent of the devil, but the same person to member of her household and people who buy into the Yoruba project, she was a heroine. In respect to this, the Yoruba often give us the paradox, or double identity as esu-egba, as in "ko b'esu-b'egba"

What the Yoruba call Esu is what the egun have as Legba. We know that Egba in Yoruba is saviour or liberator. that is, egba tii gbani lowo isoro. the lagosians remember this icon as olugbani, this could be clearer. now compare the meaning of joshua and Yeshua (jesus) and 'eshua. God is our salvation. that is egba derived from esu [salvation] from the primary language of the Yoruba.

One man's liberator is another man's traitor. The ancient Yoruba were tribalistic and they can destroy each others heroes. If it is that way in Yoruba tradition, should it surprise you to find similarity in the scriptures? but i am not really offended in the nation Israel and her people or the west and research, we must just put our own end of the tradtion in order, sanitize it and not repeat or protect what is ungodly. We can't change the past. Maybe i am pacific.

prexios:

Well the Yoruba would say, "afaimo" that is, "only in the absence of details or facts."

Sango was given to us by Yoruba en-route Oyo, she was also known as Olukoso. Now this is what you have to look at:
Olukoso-Alado. This is an example of figure of speech, a paradox to be precise. It says Olu-koso [prominent or eminent but unfruitful] Alado [parent of Ado]. what this means is t6hat Sango was a prominent figure but has no child save Ado. If you decide to look for Sango down to Sargon, well fine. you have to cross-check for this.

But Sango was disguised in Yoruba tradition as Obara, you may have to proof that Sargon has something to do with this obscure title as well. Meanwhile, a lot of tradition that connect with Yoruba origin has hiding-hook on Sango, and you will also have to be mindful of not being anachronistic, so that Sargon might fall to exact time before Yoruba exit from the East.

Sargon reigned from 2270 to 2215 BC, and archeology (Frank Willet, on Iwo-Eleru) dated Yoruba to 1000BC, the Yoruba origin is 1214 years belated from Sargon: that is, Sango had existed 1000 years before the founding of Yoruba civilization. That is anachronistic.

Then also, how did Sargon sire Ado? It is not by accident that Yoruba was connecting Ado to Sango, it is because the historic Ado, one of the forgotten heroes of ancient Yoruba was De-facto to the discovery of Yoruba land.

There were three generations of Sumerian/Akkadian/Assyrian kings with the name SARGON: Sargon the Great (2334 BC-2279 BC), Sargon I or Sharru-Ken (1920 BC - 1881 BC) and Sargon II or Sarru-ukin (722 BC - 705BC). Of the three dynasties, I would place my bet on Sargon II as SANGO. This fits into the time frame of 'Iwo Eleru' you stated above. It was during the time of Sargon II's descendants that Nineveh (Ile-Ife ?) fell and was destroyed by the Babylonians. Nineveh was said to have housed a lot of Hebrews, from the Northern Kingdom of Israel, in captivity. It is said that near the time of the Assyrian kingdom's collapse, an alliance was struck with the Egyptian army. Unfortunately, the Assyrian and Egyptian armies were driven Southwards into Africa (Sudan?) In their fatal war with Babylon. Did you know that Asshur was the name of the country of the Assyrians? Today it is corrupted as HAUSA. The word Sarru-u-Kin (Sargon's other name) is a title in Hausaland today known as Sarkin (or Seriki in Yoruba).

Alagba Negro could give an extra hand to this Hausa side of history. Unfortunately, it is said that the Fulani jihads in the 18th century have suppressed a lot of Hausa history. This might have been the best clue we have to help us unravel some of Yoruba histories since Oyo Kingdom was proximate to theirs. Even at that, the Yoruba history is very rich with many clues even in city names e.g. Ile-Ife, Igboho, Igbo-ora, Ila-Oragun e.t.c.

I personally have a belief that our Yoruba ancestors might have had links with the famous religious cult of HORUS in Egypt because a lot of religious words in our language were developed from there (Ori, Oro, Ora, Oriki, Orisha e.t.c.). I'll stop here now, sir...

it is because the historic Ado, one of the forgotten heroes of ancient Yoruba was De-facto to the discovery of Yoruba land.

that's interesting, is this Ado related to Egbado, not too familiar with the area.

the thing with ancient yoruba is the records are very deep and mostly hidden.