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Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by superior1: 3:22pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
striktlymi: Except in the Traditions of Daddy Francis, this is not a teaching of the bible |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by hayubee(m): 3:28pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
Wife beating anytime and for any reason is never allowed in Islam. There is however a questionable condition where Allah Almighty seems to allow the husband to beat his wife, and that is after he gives her two warnings to stop showing ill-conduct and disloyalty. Let us look at Noble Verses 4:34-36 "(34). Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill- conduct , admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all). (35). If ye fear a breach between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his family, and the other from hers; if they wish for peace, Allah will cause their reconciliation: For Allah hath full knowledge, and is acquainted with all things. (36). Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;" The Arabic word used in Noble Verse 4:34 above is "idribuhunna", which is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is exactly like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English. Allah Almighty used the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 14:24 "Seest thou not how Allah sets (daraba) forth a parable? -- A goodly Word Like a goodly tree, Whose root is firmly fixed, And its branches (reach) To the heavens" . "daraba" here meant "give an example". If I say in Arabic "daraba laka mathal", it means "give you an example". Allah Almighty also used the word "darabtum", which is derived from the word "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:94, which mean to "go abroad" in the sake of Allah Almighty: "O ye who believe! When ye go abroad (darabtum) In the cause of Allah, Investigate carefully, And say not to anyone Who offers you a salutation: 'Thou art none of a Believer!' Coveting the perishable good Of this life: with Allah Are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves Before, till Allah conferred On you His favours: therefore Carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware Of all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:94)" So "daraba" literally means "beat", or "go abroad", or "give" but not in the sense to give something by hand, but rather to give or provide an example. Important Note: Notice how Allah Almighty in Noble Chapter (Surah) 4 He used "daraba (4:34" and "darabtum (4:94)", which are both derived from the same root. He used both words in the same Chapter, which tells me that "daraba" in Noble Verse 4:34 means to desert or leave, since that's what its derived word meant in Noble Verse 4:94. The next section below will further prove my point. I am sure there are more Noble Verses that used words derived from "daraba" in the Noble Quran, but these are the only ones I know of so far. In the case of Noble Verse 4:34 where Allah Almighty seems to allow men to hit their wives after the two warnings for ill-conduct and disloyalty, it could very well be that Allah Almighty meant to command the Muslims to "leave" the home all together and desert their wives for a long time in a hope that the wives would then come back to their senses and repent. Noble Verses and Sayings that support the prohibition of any type of wife beating: The following Noble Verses and Sayings from the Noble Quran and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him respectively seem to very well support the above interpretation: "...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them... (The Noble Quran, 2:231)" Narrated Mu'awiyah al- Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu- Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139) " Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah: "I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138) " Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: "He who believes in Allah and the Hereafter, if he witnesses any matter he should talk in good terms about it or keep quiet. Act kindly towards woman, for woman is created from a rib, and the most crooked part of the rib is its top. If you attempt to straighten it, you will break it, and if you leave it, its crookedness will remain there. So act kindly towards women. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 008, Number 3468) " "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)" "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran 30:21)" "Women impure for men impure. And women of purity for men of purity. These are not affected by what people say. For them is forgiveness and an honorable provision. (The Noble Quran 24:26)" Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, 'The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al- Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 135) " Narrated Abu Huraira: "A man said to the Prophet , 'Advise me! 'The Prophet said, 'Do not become angry and furious.' The man asked (the same) again and again, and the Prophet said in each case, 'Do not become angry and furious.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Good Manners and Form (Al- Adab), Volume 8, Book 73, Number 137) " Abu Huraira reported: "I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: One is not strong because of one's wrestling skillfully. They said: Allah's Messenger, then who is strong? He said: He who controls his anger when he is in a fit of rage. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Virtue, Good Manners and Joining of the Ties of Relationship (Kitab Al-Birr was-Salat-I-wa'l-Adab), Book 032, Number 6314) " Allah Almighty loves those who restrain anger: "Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good. (The Noble Quran, 3:134)" The Prophet forbade striking on the face: Let us look at the following narrations about Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him: Narrated Salim: "....Umar said: 'The Prophet forbade beating on the face. ' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Hunting, Slaughtering, Volume 7, Book 67, Number 449) " Narrated AbuHurayrah: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you inflicts a beating, he should avoid striking the face. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 38, Prescribed Punishments (Kitab Al- Hudud), Number 4478) " These narrations do not prove the interpretation that wife beating being ok as long as it is not done on the face, because the narrations are general and do not mention any wives. The striking could be done on our children when we discipline them. In this case, the above two narrations would fit perfectly with the situation, because while we can still physically discipline our children, we are not allowed to hit them on the face. What about the saying about striking the wife lightly on her hand with a siwak? There is not a single Saying or Noble Verse from Prophet Muhammad or the Noble Quran respectively that mentions any such beating. A siwak is a small piece of wood that is approximately twice as long as an index finger and as thick as a thumb, which was used 1400 years ago to brush the teeth and the bad breath. This saying actually belongs to Imam Shafie, and not to Prophet Muhammad. Imam Shafie or Minister Shafie is a popular Muslim scholar that came 100s of years after Prophet Muhammad. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 4:07pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
superior1: You do not hold Sacred scriptures in high esteem, so you are in no position to tell me what scriptures teach or not. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by superior1: 4:10pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
striktlymi: Says who?, do you care to validate your earlier claim with the scriptures? |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 4:14pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
superior1: I can but it won't help! |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by superior1: 4:20pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
striktlymi: Atleast I know you won't pick a random text (or out of context) verse. So make a try |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 4:23pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
superior1: The bold is the reason why the venture will not be worthwhile.... |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by superior1: 4:29pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
striktlymi:You are going to draw such conclusions on a random verse which you won't bother to share with a brother *sighs* and exit thread |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by patrkq(m): 4:29pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
striktlymi:dis guy and 'the bold' sef.. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 4:39pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
superior1: I didn't say I am not sharing, I only said it won't be worthwhile. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 6:35pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
FrostyZonn:I can categorically tell you that STRIKTLYMI is a christian.. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Mintayo(m): 8:33pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
superior1: thank you o...i told him too! Let him just show us from d Bible where he got that... |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by riloxy(m): 10:57pm On Jul 26, 2013 |
I read some few points of this post and I decided not to continue reading cos I realise the poster is just sharing his critical view of Islam that he got from copying and pasting from anti-islam websites. I would implore you to learn with an open mind what Islam really is about. No where does the Quran implies to all this things you are telling us. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 6:34am On Jul 27, 2013 |
riloxy: I read some few points of this post and I decided not to continue reading cos I realise the poster is just sharing his critical view of Islam that he got from copying and pasting from anti-islam websites. Any website that that doesn't agree with Islamic way of life and hypocrisy in the slightest is automatically labelled as " anti-Islamic Website". Haba! Those excuses are getting old. FYI, you are the 3th Muslim to make such lousy comment so far on this thread, so I have come to expect that from your kind. If you don't have the mental capacity to take on the thread intellectually, then don't bother posting ever, please. Thank you. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by mahdino: 8:43am On Jul 27, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: Brother, in the Quran God says MUSLIM. There is no Sunni, shia or any other admit that fact. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 8:56am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi: He was involved in 26 battles; history proves that not all those battles were defensive. He robbed caravans travelling from Mecca to Damascus and killed 5 men on one of his raids - that is not defensive. Please speak honestly from both sides 1 Like |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 8:57am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi: How do you determine those who are fighting Islam? Is building a church in Northern Nigeria fighting Islam. Is sharing another faith with a muslim fighting Islam? |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 9:02am On Jul 27, 2013 |
alexis: Bring any one of those battles as an example and we will examine it together. alexis: He did permit his followers to rob the Quraysh caravans but this was after he and his followers were persecuted and forced to flee their homes. He did not start it..he only responded to an aggressor. alexis: You are yet to show that I have been dishonest. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 9:03am On Jul 27, 2013 |
alexis: The bold are your words not mine. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 9:05am On Jul 27, 2013 |
mahdino: It's the unwritten rule, which can be determined by your common sense. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 9:11am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. So Sunnis and Shias are enemies? Are they not muslims? Why are they fighting and killing each other? Are innocent Christians fighting Boko Haram in northern Nigeria? The issue here is not that all muslims are violent or that they don't understand the Quran. The Quran is like a set of logo-blocks, you can use it to build what you want. For a muslim that wants to be violent, the Quran legitimize such actions. For example: Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." Clearly, the verses above are not DEFENSIVE 1 Like |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by mahdino: 9:22am On Jul 27, 2013 |
[quote author=FrostyZonn]Islam means Peace [img]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/images/myths-islam-means%20pea means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word It amazing that u talk as If u know much. Check history with clean heart and discover that ever since time memorial there has only been one religion from God Jesus wash his hand and feet just like the muslims. Jesus says there is only one God just like the muslims. Jesus does not eat pig just like the muslims. Jesus put his face on the ground and pray to God just like the muslims. Jesus was circumcised just like the muslims. Jesus keeps beards just like the muslims. Jesus submit to God just like the muslim. Jesus said u cannot get salvation untill u keep the laws and commandment (Matt:5:17) JESUS IS A MUSLIM TERRORISM IS FIRST TIME USE IN THE 1790S DURING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION THE YEAR 1793 TO 1794 WERE CALLED THE YEAR OF TERROR[color=#990000][/color] MAXIMILIN ROBESPIERVE WAS HEADING THE GOV. AND HE KILLED THOUSAND OF INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS HE ARRESTED OVER 500,000, 40,000 WERE EXECUTED 200,000 WERE STARVED TO DEATH . WHEN U LOOK AT ATTACKS FROM THE 19TH CENTURY U CAN HARDLY FIND ANY ATTACK DONE BY THE MUSLIMS IN 1881 TSAR ALEXANDER II OF RUSSIA WAS ASSASINATED IN A BOMB BLAST KILLING 21 INNOCENT PEOPLE. THE ATTACK WAS CARRIED OUT BY IGNANCY NOT A MUSLIM IN 1886 A BOMD BLAST TOOK PLACE IN HAYMARKET SQ IN CHICAGO DURING A LABOUR RALLY 12 INNOCENT KILLED DONE BY 8 ANARCHISTS ALL OF THEM WERE NOT MUSLIMS 5TH SEP 1901 THE THEN US PRESIDENT WILLIAM MCKINLEY WAS ASSASINATED BY A MAN NAMED LEON CZOLGOSZ 1ST OCTOBER 1910 THERE WAS A BOMB BLAST IN LOS ANGELS TIMES NEWSPAPEER BUILDING KILLING 21 INNOCENT PEOPLE DONE BY 2 CHRISTIANS NAMED JAMES AND JOSEPH NOT MUSLIMS 28 JUNE 1914 ARCHDUKE OF AUTRIA AND HIS WIFE WERE ASSASINATED BY MEMBERS OF THE YOUNG BOSNIA GROUP THEY WERE SERBS NOT MUSLIMS 16TH APRIL 1925 A BOMB BLAST IN ST NEDELYA CHURCH IN SOFIA THE CAPITAL OF BULGARIA MORE THAN 150 KILLED AND 500 INJURED BY BULGARIAN COMMUNIST PARTY NOT MUSLIMS 9TH OCTOBER 1934 KING ALEXANDER OF YUGOSLAVIA WAS ASSASINATED BY VLADA GEORGIEFF NON MUSLIM 1ST MAY 1951 THE FIRST US PLANE HIJACKED BY RAMEREZ ORTIZ NON MUSLIM 28TH AUGUST 1968 THE US AMBASSADOR TO GUATEMELA WAS ASSASINATED BY A NON MUSLIM 30TH JULY 1969 USS AMBASSADOR TO JAPAN KNIFED BY A JAPANESE NON MUSLIM 3RD SEPTEMBER 1969 US AMBASSADOR TO BRAZIL WAS KIDNAPPED BY A NON MUSLIM 19TH APRIL 1995 BOMBING OF THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN OKLAHOMA CITY KILLED 160 INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS BY 2 CHRISTIANS TIMOTHY AND TERRY DO U KNOW THAT FROM 1941 TO 1948 AFTER THE WORLD WAR IN A SPAN OF 8 YRS 259 TERRORIST ATTACKS WERE CONDUCTED BY JEWISH TERRORIST GROUP WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THE 22ND JULY 1945 BOMBING OF KING DAVID HOTEL HEADED BY MENACHEM BEGIN KILLED 91 INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS AND THIS SAME MAN MENACHEM BEGIN LATER BECAME THE PRIME MINISTER OF ISREAL AND LATER GOT AWARD FOR NOBEL PRIZE FOR PEACE. HOW COULD THE WORLD KEEP SILIENCE TO SUCH ATROCITIES HMMMM HITLER ALONE KILLED SIX MILLION JEWS WHO WAS HE, A CHRISTIAN NOT A MUSLIM IN GERMANY FROM 1968 TO 1992 BAADER MEINHOFF GANG KILLED SEVERAL INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS THEY WERE ALL NOT MUSLIMS IN ITALY THE RED BRIGADE HAVE KILLED SEVERAL INNOCENT PEOPLE ALSO RESPONSIBLE FOR KIDNAPPING AND KILLING OF THE PRIME MINISTER OF ITALLY ALDO MORO THE JAPANESE RED ARMY ON THE 20TH MARCH 1995 ALIM SHINRIKYO USED NEON GAS IN THE TOKYO SUBWAY KILLED 7 AND INJURED 5700 INNOCENT POEPLE THEY WERE BUDDHIST NOT MUSLIMS U.K FOR ABOUT 100 YEARS NOW THE IRA IRISH REPUBLICAN ARMY ARE CONDUCTING TERRORIST ATTACKS WHICH IN 1972 THREE BOMBS BLASTR KILLING 27 PEOPLE THEY ARE CATHOLICS NOT MUSLIMS, IN 1974 TWO BOMBS BLAST IN GULFORD PUB KILLED 5 AND INJURED 44 THE SECOND BLAST IN BIRMINGHAM PUB KILLED 21 AND INJURED 182 JUST MENTIONING A FEW 1996 A BOMB BLAST IN MANCHESTER SHOPPING CENTER WERE ABOUT 206 INJURED IN 1998 1ST AUGUST THE IRA PLANTED A CAR BOMB WHICH KILLED 35 15TH AUGUST 1998 OMAGH BOMB BLAST KILLED 29 OVER 330 INJURED 4TH MARCH 2001 BBC WAS BOMBED ALL BY IRA NOT MUSLIMS IN SPAIN AND FRANCE THE ETA CONDUCTED 36 ATTACKS IN AFRICA THERE ARE SO MANY BUT ONE OF THE MOST NOTORIOUS IS THE LORD SALVATION ARMY A CHRISTIAN TERRORIST ORGANISATION IN UGANDA THEY BRIAN WASH YOUNG CHILDREN TO COMMIT TERRIRIST ATTACKS NOT MUSLIMS IN SRI LANKA THE MOST NOTORIOYUS ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD EXPERT IN SUICIDE BOMBING THEY ARE HINDU NOT MUSLIMS MAOISTS IN NEPAKL IN 7YRS CARRIED 99 ATTACKS NOT MUSLIMS ATTF AND NLFF ARE CHRISTIAN TERRORIST GORUP IN NORTH EAST INDIA 2ND OCT 2004 44 HINDUS KILLED BY THEM NOT MUSLIMS ULFA IN A SPAN OF 16yrs FROM 1990-2006 HAS CARRIED OUT 749 ATTACKS THEY ARE NON MUSLIMS. JOESEPH STALLIN (KNOW AS UNCLE JOE) KILLED 20 MILLION. HUMAN BEIGN INCLUDING 14.5 MILLION WERE STARVED TO DEATH HE WAS NOT A MUSLIM WHEN YOU GO TO CHINA MAO TSE TSUNG HAS KILLED OVER 15 MILLION HUMAN BEIGNS HE WAS A NON MUSLIM BENITO MUSSOLINI OF ITALY KILLED 400,000 HUMAN BEINGS HE WAS A NON MUSLIM ASHOKA IN ONE BATTLE ALONE OF KALINGA KILLED MORE THAN 100,000 PEOPLE HE WAS A HINDU NOT A MUSLIM WE KNOW WE HAVE OUR BLACK SHEEP LIKE SADDAM HUSSAIN HISTORY TELLS US THAT HE KILLED A FEW 100 THOUSAND PEOPLE BUT THE EMBARGO PUT BY GEORGE BUSH AND U.S ALONE KILLED MORE THAN 500,000 IRAQI CHILDREN (HALF A MILLION) INNOCENT CHILDREN BY GEORGE BUSH A CHRISTIAN NOT A MUSLIM WHEN WE ANALYSE WE CAN SURELY SAY WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THAT TERRORISM IS NOT A MUSLIM MONOPOLY, NOT ONLY THAT. IS NOT A MUSLIM MONOPOLY IT IS NOT EVEN ENCOURAGE IN ISLAM. QURAN 5:32 SAYS IF ANYONE KILLS ANY HUMAN BEIGN WOULD BE AS IF HE HAD KILLED ALL MANKIND, AND IF ANYONE SAVE ANY HUMAN BEIGN IS AS IF HE HAS SAVED THE LIFE OF ALL HUMANITY. ISLAM CONDEMS ALL FORMS OF TERRORISM[/ |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 9:23am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi: God is a creator to all, not Father to all |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by mahdino: 9:37am On Jul 27, 2013 |
alexis: striktlymi Read your bible and see what Jesus said to his diciples in Luke he said" he who has no sword should sell his garments and buy one". Let me give another quotation from the new testament jesus said I quote "for those my enemies who do not want me to rule over them bring them here and cut off their heads in front of me" |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 9:41am On Jul 27, 2013 |
alexis: striktlymi I NEVER said or implied the above. They are your words!!! alexis: I have tried to explain the above in an earlier post but let me see if I can be a bit more articulate in expressing my thoughts. If we look at the verses you put up there in isolation, we definitely will see it in a very bad light. Hey, I was also shocked when I saw them for the first time. After some research, I found out that the verses are simply misunderstood and taken out of context. Let's take Surat 9:5 as our case study... The verse you quoted is: Surat 9:5 Translated as: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Now, looking at the above one would be tempted to think that the Quran permits indiscriminate killing of innocent people but note that the verse was written at a time of war and we know that the order given by Muhammad was to fight those who fight against them with some sense of morality... Surah 2:190 Translated as: Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. In other words, fighting for a Muslim is supposed to be out of self defense. The principle surrounding self defense states that one has the right to protect himself against an aggressor to the point of using deadly force if it is necessary... Now take a look at the bold in that verse...despite this extraordinary case of a defensive war, Muslims are asked by the Quran not to continue fighting when the opposition has repented...for it is said that they should be allowed to go after the Zakat has been done...The Zakat is an obligatory alms given required from all Muslims. Now this repentance really has nothing to do with them converting to Islam...as the previous verse (Surat 9:4) made mention of a treaty which the Muslim is permitted to make with his aggressor as long as the aggressor is faithful to the dictates of the treaty...see verse below: Surah 9:4 Translated as: Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. So unless I am presented with some evidence that the Muhammad or the Quran asks Muslims to kill innocent people, I still refuse to hold the position that the Quran or Muhammad encourages a 'war of blame'. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by Nobody: 9:45am On Jul 27, 2013 |
alexis: That is your personal opinion which is against Sacred scriptures. Paul does not agree with you when he said: Ephesians 4:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by mahdino: 9:47am On Jul 27, 2013 |
FrostyZonn: In religion u don't have unwritten rule u follow what ur God commands u. In the Quran we have only a muslim no sunni or shia. U only follow what God says just because someone say sunni or shia there is no bases. So u only take what God says. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 9:59am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi Bring any one of those battles as an example and we will examine it together. Sure, will do He did permit his followers to rob the Quraysh caravans but this was after he and his followers were persecuted and forced to flee their homes. He did not start it..he only responded to an aggressor. Who attacked him before he robbed caravans? You are yet to show that I have been dishonest Dishonest that not all the battles Mohammed and muslims involved in were strictly defensive |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 10:00am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi: You are still yet to answer it |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 10:08am On Jul 27, 2013 |
mahdino Read your bible and see what Jesus said to his diciples in Luke he said" he who has no sword should sell his garments and buy one". Another brain-washed malu hypnotized with 7th century Arabian way of thinking. So Jesus told him to buy a sword - then what? Where in the Bible did you read Jesus killed anyone? When you are in a public forum, learn to quote your reference so others can follow your line of thought Let me give another quotation from the new testament jesus said I quote "for those my enemies who do not want me to rule over them bring them here and cut off their heads in front of me"[/quote] Really, did you take time to read the parable Jesus was talking about? For your reference, the quote you mentioned is in Luke 19:27. Jesus used parables to explain concepts when he taught people and he did the same here: Luke 19: [b]11 And as they heard these things, he added and [size=15pt]spake a parable[/size], because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.[/b] Next time, learn to research before you display your ignorance publicly. Jesus never taught violence, never encouraged it and never killed anyone. |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 10:18am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi I NEVER said or implied the above. They are your words!!! Now now, you have to be honest. You said muslims fight in self defense and fight their known enemies. My question is - are Shias and Sunnis enemies? Don't they belong to the same house in Islam? I have tried to explain the above in an earlier post but let me see if I can be a bit more articulate in expressing my thoughts. Bros, the context can be gotten from the Hadith, you don't have to play the Islamic scholar game. Mohammed was clear on what he meant: Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally." Please tell us from the Hadith I posted where Mohammed is acting in self defense? |
Re: Myths And Truths Of Islam[An Exposé] by alexis(m): 10:26am On Jul 27, 2013 |
striktlymi: Around AD 49, a council convened in Jerusalem to decide the matter of whether Gentile converts to Christianity needed to undergo circumcision in order to be accepted into full fellowship. The decision was a difficult one to make, and early Church leaders found themselves at the crossroads of Jewish culture and Christian doctrine. When the council issued its decision, it forever changed the landscape of Christianity and created a divide that would later threaten to fracture Christianity. Ephesians, and to a lesser extent Colossians, documents some of the concerns and issues associated with that decision. Here, Paul was referring to God as the Father to both Jews and Christians because we believe in Him. A muslim doesn't believe in the Christian God, how can He be a Father to them? I don't believe in Allah, how can he be a father to me? 1 Like |
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