veeco vee: Pls answer this question. Have you for once mentioned "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the begining and the end, i am that i am, emmanuel, lion of tribe of Judah, God of the apostles etc. ?

I told you that i ve been to their service and do not believe hear say. They do pray on the name Jesus Christ ok. I think what we should be after is doctrine. Some people do not like them because they condemn evil and heardly preach prosperity. I dont think this ministry is for everybody, its only for those who wish to avoid all evil and corrupt ways of life for the sake of HEAVEN. Without righteousness, no one will see God.

God bless you

There is no Christian is in his right mind that speaks against righteousness and there shouldn't be any that won't speak against heresy.

The Name to use is JESUS, I don't care how righteous and anointed a Pastor or Priest is, if his teaching doesn't bear root in the Bible, he is an heretic. Read the God's General and see how many genuine men of grace messed up because of some silly doctrine not seen in the Bible.

I use name like God of Abraham, God of Isaac, Elohim etc to worship God (they are in the Bible) I can't find God of Chosen or God of my Pastor in my Bible. I say my prayers with 'IN JESUS NAME' not even 'IN GOD OF ABRAHAM NAME'. It is not right, it is unscriptural, it should be denounced!!!

hakunajay:

for example, what language?

hisblud: which language

None that I can think of per se. I was only trying to toy with the fact that if ‘jesus’ were to be an exclamation or onomatopoeia in another language, and the folks there have not met christians before, then it means that they will be casting out demons without even knowing it. Abi?

veeco vee: Beloved alot of things are going on under the sun. There are alot of jesus, even in our nigeria, we have, i think, jesus of okoko. Nowadays, even occultic pastors call jesus.

I told you that i ve been to their service and they do pray in the name of Jesus Christ. But remember that, the only CHOSEN that can praises God and pray in Jesus name and say anything with faith and God will honour it, is the CHOSEN of the Bible in the book of

1 peter 2:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy
nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises
of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

God bless you

Some translations use Peculiar Generation,Selected Generation, Special Generation. I can prove to you all those words render the real meaning in the original greek than chosen, the point is there is nothing Special in the word Chosen. Pray in Jesus Name and in no other

Infomizer:





None that I can think of per se. I was only trying to toy with the fact that if ‘jesus’ were to be an exclamation or onomatopoeia in another language, and the folks there have not met christians before, then it means that they will be casting out demons without even knowing it. Abi?

There is a joke session on NL

I think that God cant be fully defined by any man. Moses worked miracles with rod, Elijah with mantle etc. Jesus spoke miracles to happen in somecases and in another case, he mixed his saliver and sand of the earth to cause miracle to happen, the apostles handkerchieft and aprons were placed on the sick and miracles happened.

One thing Christ says is "if your faith is as little as monstard seed, that it can move mountains.

Please leave this man with how God chosed to work with him God is omniscience,omniwisdom etc. Judgement is betweem him and God. The race is individual in nature.

God bless you

superior1:

There is no Christian is in his right mind that speaks against righteousness and there shouldn't be any that won't speak against heresy.

The Name to use is JESUS, I don't care how righteous and anointed a Pastor or Priest is, if his teaching doesn't bear root in the Bible, he is an heretic. Read the God's General and see how many genuine men of grace messed up because of some silly doctrine not seen in the Bible.

I use name like God of Abraham, God of Isaac, Elohim etc to worship God (they are in the Bible) I can't find God of Chosen or God of my Pastor in my Bible. I say my prayers with 'IN JESUS NAME' not even 'IN GOD OF ABRAHAM NAME'. It is not right, it is unscriptural, it should be denounced!!!

Jesus Christ is the God of the chosen.

John 15:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained
you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit
should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my
name, he may give it you.

superior1:

Some translations use Peculiar Generation,Selected Generation, Special Generation. I can prove to you all those words render the real meaning in the original greek than chosen, the point is there is nothing Special in the word Chosen. Pray in Jesus Name and in no other

I have not come across a tranlation that did not use "chosen generation" the only place there was change is "peculiar people" if its liar, then get the translation and paste it here for all to see.

Pls control your ulterance, I ve been to their service many times, they pray on the Jesus Christ... but the overseer tells the congregation to challenge an armedrobber with a shout "i am a chosen" 3 times, and asking the armrobber who he is? and that he will run away and i ve heard that it works

The true Chosen of the Bible is untouchable.

God bless you

veeco vee: I think that God cant be fully defined by any man. Moses worked miracles with rod, Elijah with mantle etc. Jesus spoke miracles to happen in somecases and in another case, he mixed his saliver and sand of the earth to cause miracle to happen, the apostles handkerchieft and aprons were placed on the sick and miracles happened.

One thing Christ says is "if your faith is as little as monstard seed, that it can move mountains.

Please leave this man with how God chosed to work with him God is omniscience,omniwisdom etc. Judgement is betweem him and God. The race is individual in nature.

God bless you

I don't know if you have ever taken a course in Comparative religion. There is no heretic that do make claim on a special revelation, vision or visit by angels. Jesus is Jesus not Chosen not God of my Pastor. There is no other name than JESUS. We can't leave him alone if it is true he has been preaching this, no man of God is immune to mistake, he may not even know of this and that is why we have to point it out to him what the Bible. The Bible is our final authority.

2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

We must stick to what the Bible says, it is JESUS!!

veeco vee: Beloved alot of things are going on under the sun. There are alot of jesus, even in our nigeria, we have, i think, jesus of okoko. Nowadays, even occultic pastors call jesus.

Yes the scripture told us that false christs will arise in the last days but never said we should use any other name when such happens.

veeco vee:

I told you that i ve been to their service and they do pray in the name of Jesus Christ. But remember that, the only CHOSEN that can praises God and pray in Jesus name and say anything with faith and God will honour it, is the CHOSEN of the Bible in the book of

1 peter 2:9
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy
nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises
of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

God bless you

I ve listen to their service and yes they mention the name of Jesus. Honestly my dear I have never seen any reason why I should pray in the name of any other person in this new testament that God has giving us a name above every other name. For somebody to pray in the name of god of his pastor, or god of his church is very wrong. How do you trust that the god of your pastor is the real God? My dear, even if a pastor in my church tells me-"my God will bless you" I don't agree. Simply tell me that God will bless me. Once you put it personal,then its not me you are telling. I ll rather put my whole trust in Jesus who is my life, my righteousness and my everything than to do it through a church or pastor.
We are all human beings and we love to be feared and respected so much. That's why these pastors are introducing all these practices in churches. Just to cage members. They want to be everywhere and everything in your life. They want you to see them and their church as your only hope. Should this be so? No. The scripture says- "looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith", not looking unto your pastor or your church. This flesh is so selfish, it wants to be exalted and focused on all the time therefore I am not ready to look at any pastor who is human and can do something in secret and do another in the open. This heavenly race is all about Jesus. Nothing more and nothing less. God bless you.

veeco vee: I have not come across a tranlation that did not use "chosen generation" the only place there was change is "peculiar people" if its liar, then get the translation and paste it here for all to see.

God bless you

American Standard Version
But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


English Revised Version
But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may shew forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Young's Literal Translation
and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light

There are so many of them. Chosen has a meaning and it can be used interchangeably with many other words. It is not God of chosen, God of my Pastor but simply JESUS

superior1:



American Standard Version
But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


English Revised Version
But ye are an elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may shew forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

Young's Literal Translation
and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light

There are so many of them. Chosen has a meaning and it can be used interchangeably with many other words. It is not God of chosen, God of my Pastor but simply JESUS

What's the difference between elect, choice and chosen?

superior1:

I have looked at the verse you pasted and I do not see where God said they should call him Chosen or if I say to someone 'I have chosen you' , does it make my name Chosen?

When we see irregularities (of doctrine not consistent with the bible) in any Christian body, we should denounce it vehemently without reservations, this was how many respected and ordained men of God entered heresy.

God of Chosen, God of my Pastor is nothing but absolute nonsense that have no basis in the Bible.

Philip 2:9-10
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth.

It is at the mention of Jesus, not at the mention of God of my Pastor or God of Chosen.

The name is JESUS, if e no be panadol, e no b d same with panadol

amen

veeco vee: What the difference between elect, choice and chosen? brother

Now you got the point, there is no difference. So what is the issue with screaming chosen?
God of Chosen, God of Elect, God of Choice (what is the sense in this nonsense?). Stick to the bible, avoid heresy and extra-biblical silly things. Simply Jesus!

veeco vee: I think that God cant be fully defined by any man. Moses worked miracles with rod, Elijah with mantle etc.

My dear you re mixing it up. Moses and Elijah were they instructed to use the name of Jesus in the old testament as we are instructed in the new testament? No. Now tell me any apostles in the new testament that did not pray in the name of Jesus. Or that prayed in the name of a church or pastor? God can heal with anything but should we pray in any other name apart from the name of Jesus? No.

veeco vee:


Please leave this man with how God chosed to work with him God is omniscience,omniwisdom etc. Judgement is betweem him and God. The race is individual in nature.

God bless you

Its not about leaving the man alone. We have to speak out for the sake of ignorant minds who are being misguided and manipulated with this false practices. If the man want to continue, that's for him and those who want to follow him. But I pray God to help them out. Amen.

alexleo:

Yes the scripture told us that false christs will arise in the last days but never said we should use any other name when such happens.



I ve listen to their service and yes they mention the name of Jesus. Honestly my dear I have never seen any reason why I should pray in the name of any other person in this new testament that God has giving us a name above every other name. For somebody to pray in the name of god of his pastor, or god of his church is very wrong. How do you trust that the god of your pastor is the real God? My dear, even if a pastor in my church tells me-"my God will bless you" I don't agree. Simply tell me that God will bless me. Once you put it personal,then its not me you are telling. I ll rather put my whole trust in Jesus who is my life, my righteousness and my everything than to do it through a church or pastor.
We are all human beings and we love to be feared and respected so much. That's why these pastors are introducing all these practices in churches. Just to cage members. They want to be everywhere and everything in your life. They want you to see them and their church as your only hope. Should this be so? No. The scripture says- "looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith", not looking unto your pastor or your church. This flesh is so selfish, it wants to be exalted and focused on all the time therefore I am not ready to look at any pastor who is human and can do something in secret and do another in the open. This heavenly race is all about Jesus. Nothing more and nothing less. God bless you.

I ve not heard that one should pray in the name of God of overseer or God of chosen from any their of services. Rather in face of an armedrobber that you should challenge him by shouting " i am a chosen" or "the God of my pastor"

Christ taught all believers how ro pray ok....Our father who art in heaven.......


God bless you

alexleo:

My dear you re mixing it up. Moses and Elijah were they instructed to use the name of Jesus in the old testament as we are instructed in the new testament? No. Now tell me any apostles in the new testament that did not pray in the name of Jesus. Or that prayed in the name of a church or pastor? God can heal with anything but should we pray in any other name apart from the name of Jesus? No.



Its not about leaving the man alone. We have to speak out for the sake of ignorant minds who are being misguided and manipulated with this false practices. If the man want to continue, that's for him and those who want to follow him. But I pray God to help them out. Amen.

Why did the Apostles use their shadows, handkerchief, aprons etc.?

@veeco vee

No wonder, Pastor Fidelis in a revelation given to him about the declaration of "I am a Chosen," has stated that the name 'Chosen' is the name givento Jesus Christ.In other words, mentioning the word 'Chosen' is as good as mentioning 'Jesus.'The difference though is that while everybody including the wicked can pronounce the name 'Jesus' and yet, not bank hundred percent on its efficacy to deliver them, the real Chosen will pronounce the word 'Chosen' with every assurance of deliverance and will have their way.

thanks for trying to explain but sincerely, the base on which power is released MUST only be thru THE NAME OF YASHUA and no other. By the way, for a publication to promote a word choosen above the name Yashua, alarm bells must ring. Remember, the bible challenges us to test all things and hold on to what is good, and the basis is scripture which is given for correction and instruction in righteousness.

veeco vee: I ve not heard that one should pray in the name of God of overseer or God of chosen from any their of services. Rather in face of an armedrobber that you should challenge him by shouting " i am a chosen" or "the God of my pastor"

Christ taught all believers how ro pray ok....Our father who art in heaven.......


God bless you

I am a Chosen, the God of my Pastor in the face of danger still doesn't find root in the Bible.

Proverb 18:10
10 The name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

Simply Jesus

veeco vee: Why did the Apostles use their shadows, handkerchief, aprons etc.?

This has no relevance to our discuss. Let us first thrash out this heresy (God of chosen, God of my pastor), ok?

superior1:

Now you got the point, there is no difference. So what is the issue with screaming chosen?
God of Chosen, God of Elect, God of Choice (what is the sense in this nonsense?). Stick to the bible, avoid heresy and extra-biblical silly things. Simply Jesus!

I think the ministry used the name "chosen" because the name was used in many places in Bible and of course they must anawer something....now you are equally coming to my point, not the name but doctrine. With out holiness no one can see God

God bless you

veeco vee: Why did the Apostles use their shadows, handkerchief, aprons etc.?

are you implying that the apostles called on the god of my apron, god of my shadow? No man. It must be in the name of Jesus and the power by the name of Jesus called, flowed thru the instrument to the person for deliverance.

veeco vee: I think the ministry used the name "chosen" because the name was used in many places in Bible and of course they must anawer something....now you are equally coming to my point, not the name but doctrine. With out holiness no one can see God

God bless you

Thou was also used in several places in the bible, why are they not bearing Thou?

Holiness in the name of God of chosen or God of my pastor amounts to nonsense. You can't accept and ignore a portion of the scriptures. Holiness should be preached and the name of Jesus should be used in all prayers (name of God of my pastor is unbiblical and should be thrown away)

hisblud: are you implying that the apostles called on the god of my apron, god of my shadow? No man. It must be in the name of Jesus and the power by the name of Jesus called, flowed thru the instrument to the person for deliverance.

Valid

hisblud: @veeco vee thanks for trying to explain but sincerely, the base on which power is released MUST only be thru THE NAME OF YASHUA and no other. By the way, for a publication to promote a word choosen above the name Yashua, alarm bells must ring. Remember, the bible challenges us to test all things and hold on to what is good, and the basis is scripture which is given for correction and instruction in righteousness.

See what i m saying? someone has come with another Yashua Hamashiyan. They are all the same ok, God of Chosen, Yashua Hamashiya, God of Ahraham, Isaac and Jacob, God of apostles and even in my language we call him yesu.


God bless you

@veeco vee

No wonder, Pastor Fidelis in a revelation given to him about the declaration of "I am a Chosen," has stated that the name 'Chosen' is the name givento Jesus Christ.In other words, mentioning the word 'Chosen' is as good as mentioning 'Jesus.'The difference though is that while everybody including the wicked can pronounce the name 'Jesus' and yet, not bank hundred percent on its efficacy to deliver them, the real Chosen will pronounce the word 'Chosen' with every assurance of deliverance and will have their way.

another thing you would observe is the pastor was EXALTING another name above the EXALTED name of Jesus. And such a revelation cannot be by the Father Who exalted the Name of Jesus in the first place. So what we are advocating is if you have accesses to the church, raise this issue using this error in the publication.

superior1:

This has no relevance to our discuss. Let us first thrash out this heresy (God of chosen, God of my pastor), ok?

God of my pastor, God of chosen is Jesus Christ.

Read

John 15:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained
you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit
should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my
name, he may give it you.

veeco vee: See what i m saying? someone has come with another Yashua Hamashiyan. They are all the same ok, God of Chosen, Yashua Hamashiya, God of Ahraham, Isaac and Jacob, God of apostles and even in my language we call him yesu.


God bless you

Jesus, Yesu, Jesu etc whatever it is in your language, if you are referring to Christ, it is valid. He (God) created diverse of tongues.

Olorun paito mi, Olorun chosen (?), God of chosen, God of my pastor is unscriptural. Simply Jesus!

veeco vee: See what i m saying? someone has come with another Yashua Hamashiyan. They are all the same ok, God of Chosen, Yashua Hamashiya, God of Ahraham, Isaac and Jacob, God of apostles and even in my language we call him yesu.


God bless you

wrong bros, my using Yashua is calling His Hebrew name. Now when i call chosen is it in your language?

veeco vee: God of my pastor, God of chosen is Jesus Christ.

Read

John 15:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained
you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit
should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my
name, he may give it you.

This is the same verse you started with and running in circles only shows you are out of ideas. I will ask you the same question I asked when you first brought that verse: if I said ' I have chosen you' does that make my name chosen?

Other names used are, ' The god of my pastor's power' , 'The god of Lazarus Muoka' and 'Baba Ijesha.' Hilarious,dnt you think?

veeco vee: I think the ministry used the name "chosen" because the name was used in many places in Bible and of course they must anawer something....now you are equally coming to my point, not the name but doctrine. With out holiness no one can see God

God bless you

thank God, you think, then its time for you to change your thinking to ONLY YASHUA [JESUS]. Where did God use the name 'CHOSEN' to bring deliverance in scripture as you allude to above, in many places. Give us one or two.

fluxbush: Other names used are, ' The god of my pastor's power' , 'The god of Lazarus Muoka' and 'Baba Ijesha.' Hilarious,dnt you think?

For real?