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Covenant System for Increase. Proverbs 3: 9-10
Published August 5, 2013 | By daystarblog
By @sam_adeyemi

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God has a unique way or system of prospering people and it is important that we align to that system. Man was not designed for suffering. Before God created man, He had created wealth and every resource man would need. Giving is an eternal law in God’s system. The honour and value you have for God is reflected through your giving (John 3:16). Put God first in all things (Matthew 6: 33). Do not forget that your blessings come from God. As your income begins to increase, the way you manage it is crucial because God always causes resources to flow away from those who do not manage them well to those who manage them properly (Matthew 25: 28-29). Therefore, we need to always honour God because He deserves it (Malachi 1: 6-14).

There are different classes of giving and the first one is tithing. Many people argue that tithing ended with the Old Testament; is not mentioned in the New Testament and that it passed away with the Law of Moses. However, the tithe predates Moses and the Law because Abraham, while returning from battle, met Melchizedek and gave him a tenth (a tithe) of all the plunder he got from the battle. In return, Melchizedek gave him bread and wine and blessed him (Hebrews 7: 1-9). Tithing is a deep spiritual principle. We need to understand that the tithe is received on a physical level and on a spiritual level, that is, by the earthly priest and by Jesus (Hebrews 7:. Also, tithing helps us to secure God’s blessings. The way you are a citizen of a country and it is mandatory that you pay your taxes to ensure national prosperity, is the same way that, as a citizen of God’s kingdom, you pay your tithe. The tithe is not a gift to God; it is God’s property. He calls it robbery when you don’t pay it (Malachi 3: 8-12). Paying your tithe ensures you contribute to the welfare of the kingdom. As an individual, if you do not play your part, you are contributing to the failure of the community. Organisations and nations should give since the nations who give are the ones who are the most prosperous while those who beg remain poor. When you pay your tithe, no devourer, policy or system can impoverish you.

Another category of giving is the weekly and special offerings. Do not give haphazardly. Have a budget and plan your giving (1Corinthians 16:2). As God prospers you, do not think that it is for your personal consumption. He always has a purpose for any increase that comes your way (Exodus 32: 1-6; 35: 4-19). Giving to servants of God is another form of giving which allows you to partake in the grace of God upon their lives (Philippians 4: 15-19; 1Kings 17: 8-14; 2Kings 4: 8-37). God cares for the poor and giving to them is another form of giving that God recognises (Proverbs 19:17; Acts 2: 44-45). God’s blessings come with self-protection and He preserves individuals and communities who give to others (Numbers 23; Psalm 41: 1-3). Whenever you give, always give willingly. Do not ever give under pressure (Exodus 35; 1Corinthians 9:7). God does not need our money. Whenever He says “give”, it is because He wants to bless us.



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God bless my Mentor, Rev Sam Adeyemi.

Please can anyone defend tithing in the new testament's context, based on logic and biblical principles without quoting "malachi 3"?

At the least I agree with Femi Aribisala on one thing: Every pastor that collects tithe today is a thief and a robber!

On a second thought...

I will pay my tithe to Sam Adeyemi or any other Pastor if he or they are able to supply answers to these questions

1. How much is his salary?

2. When last did he publish an account of his church finances for members of his church to peruse?

3. What are the welfare packages his church has for the needy, the poor, the widows, the jobless, missionaries, Christians in northern Nigeria, Christians living with HIV/AIDS, etc?

4. How many private jets does he own?

5. What does he need them for?

6. Why is the welfare package of the Pastors a hundred times better than those poor and needy mentioned in 3?

7. Can his church survive without tithes and offering?

8. Why does he carry out a practise that is not found in the NT? And if tithing is pre-law, is circumcision not pre-law too? Did he circumcise his son on the eight day of birth?

9. When was he ordained a priest according to Melchizedeck or according to Aaron to collect tithe?

10. Why is tithing obligatory in his church when giving is not in 1 Cor 9:7?

But why would he say christian tithing is based on the Abram's example and still in the same breathe quote Malachi which is not connected to this example but part of the Mosaic law

Ovamboland: But why would he say christian tithing is based on the Abram's example and still in the same breathe quote Malachi which is not connected to this example but part of the Mosaic law

That's the nonsense they teach - they say tithing existed before the law and they cannot but quote the law tithing to hold onto that error. The law dispensation at the cross of Christ and the new testament began. Indeed, the church of Jesus need the truth that brings freedom!

mitwitdot: Please can anyone defend tithing in the new testament's context, based on logic and biblical principles without quoting "malachi 3"?

There's absolutely nothing as such for the NT Christians and early Apostles\church.

Actually I am yet to hear any pastor teach on tithe. Yes they love the application in Malachi but that is not a teaching on Tithe, just a warning from Malachi to the Jews.

Tithing is taught mainly in The book of Levicticus and Numbers, in which you see that :

(1) No correlation exists between the One tenth that Abraham paid to Melchizedek and the tithe demanded by The Mosaic Law

(2) The scripture depicts 3 types of tithing, so you in the Church Age would have to ask which one of the three types you are paying


God commanded Israel to bring tithes (Lev. 27:30–34), a form of national taxation. The word “tithe” means “a tenth.” Old Testament tithes
were levied upon Jewish believers and unbelievers alike. The amount was ten percent of what one owned or received for one’s labors.
There were several tithes: a tax for the maintenance of the Levites(Num. 18:21, 24); a tax for the national feasts and sacrifices (Deut.14:22–27);
and a tax every third year used for the poor and destitute of the land (Deut. 14:28–29). Three taxes or three tithes!

Who or what does Adeyemi pay his tithe too?
This people sha. They know the truth that God does not exist, yet they just wanna keep eating.
They all forgot that it was a man who wrote the book of Malachi for selfish gains

Xvalier: Actually I am yet to hear any pastor teach on tithe. Yes they love the application in Malachi but that is not a teaching on Tithe, just a warning from Malachi to the Jews.

Tithing is taught mainly in The book of Levicticus and Numbers, in which you see that :

(1) No correlation exists between the One tenth that Abraham paid to Melchizedek and the tithe demanded by The Mosaic Law

(2) The scripture depicts 3 types of tithing, so you in the Church Age would have to ask which one of the three types you are paying


God commanded Israel to bring tithes (Lev. 27:30–34), a form of national taxation. The word “tithe” means “a tenth.” Old Testament tithes
were levied upon Jewish believers and unbelievers alike. The amount was ten percent of what one owned or received for one’s labors.
There were several tithes: a tax for the maintenance of the Levites(Num. 18:21, 24); a tax for the national feasts and sacrifices (Deut.14:22–27);
and a tax every third year used for the poor and destitute of the land (Deut. 14:28–29). Three taxes or three tithes!

Even 'under the law', Abraham's tithe\tithing is NOT acceptable - spoils from wars are forbidden under the law tithing. There's so much confusion all because men have become lovers of money. That's what people get when they mix grace and law together. The 'under the law' system is NOT perfect and so the worshipers cannot and will never be perfect - there's always a lope hole to make merchandise of the people but teach grace, there's no room for manipulations. Glory to God!

mitwitdot: Please can anyone defend tithing in the new testament's context, based on logic and biblical principles without quoting "malachi 3"?

When you understand the purpose and reason behind a principle, it will be easy to act on it in spirit. Abraham met Mechizedek, the priest of the Most High God, when returning from battle and was blessed of Melchizedek and Abraham gave a tenth (Heb.7:4,6). Afterwards, God said the tithe shoule be receivedby the Levite priests for the service they serve...Numbers 18:21.
In the New Testament, we see Jesus give perfect balance to the way tithe should be given because Jesus words are spirit and life:

Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.


Paul also said the below:
I Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel


When you understand the principle for what you are doing, it will not be an offence to you to tithe as it helps the work of the ministry along with other forms of giving to others. Loving one's neighbour covers everyone, family, friends, poor & needy, ministers of the gospel like those in your local church & in missions who I believe you love as well and deserve wages.

Another way which I also see is that when I give generally, it is a sign that I am blessed because it is from what I have that I can give. And I thank God and appreiciate Him for passing His blessings through me to also give to others and because the Lord will not leave a vacuum, He channels more through me.

Tithing as practised in churches is an indefensible Fraud.

In the early church , ALL needs were met.

In the 21st century , the Pastor's needs are met beyond and above levels of moderation and contentment, while the laity are impoverished.

People who go out of their way to defend the tithe are either direct beneficiaries of the fraudulent system or those who believe God runs a bingo club where you reap hundred fold after sowing a few seed.

Ovamboland: But why would he say christian tithing is based on the Abram's example and still in the same breathe quote Malachi which is not connected to this example but part of the Mosaic law

I would answer your question in one simple word: HYPOCRISY

solidbroda: Who or what does Adeyemi pay his tithe too?This people sha.
They know the truth that God does not exist, yet they just wanna keep eating.
They all forgot that it was a man who wrote the book of Malachi for selfish gains

Don't tell me you have joined the atheists on this forum.

mitwitdot: Please can anyone defend tithing in the new testament's context, based on logic and biblical principles without quoting "malachi 3"?

Mathew 23:23 NIV:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
This verse tells us to practise Justice, Mercy, Giving, E.t And we should not also neglect tithing
.

Misunderstood_G: Mathew 23:23 NIV:
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
This verse tells us to practise Justice, Mercy, Giving, E.t And we should not also neglect tithing
.

You are wrong here, the verse wasn't addressed to christian believers here but to Jews who were under the law and where obliged to tithe according to the law. Christians are not under the law.

@Alwaystrue

The 'principle' we find here is not 'tithing' or the the need to tithe. The principle the word of God teaches from Abraham giving of the tenth and the taxation for levites and the support for minister spoken of in 1 Cor 9 is the principle of GIVING or the need to support God's work through giving.

It showed forth as tithing under Moses and shows forth as grace giving (Giving as U are blessed; giving without compulsion; giving only after U have provided for your family; giving bc U love God; giving with common sense and not out of a religious compulsion so as not to incur God's wrath, while some fraudulent pastors smile to the bank, etc) in the new testament.

At this risk of starting a back and forth, will Adeyemi or any Pastor on this forum supply answers to the ten questions I provided above or forever keep silent?

I believe that God himself is behind this tithe controversy and it is his means of liberating people.

Pastor Kun:

You are wrong here, the verse wasn't addressed to christian believers here but to Jews who were under the law and where obliged to tithe according to the law. Christians are not under the law.

Sorry pals,thank God that Paul in the wisdom God gave him debunked all your errors by saying this:

(1 Timothy 6:3-4) "If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,".


We see here Paul addressing timothy a gentile under the new covenant the importance of Jesus words.Jesus( NOT Paul and the 12 Apostle of the lamb) is "the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

(John 12:48) "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same will judge him in the last day."

It is better to hold on to the words of Jesus o.Make una no say e no talk am.

DrummaBoy: @Alwaystrue

The 'principle' we find here is not 'tithing' or the the need to tithe. The principle the word of God teaches from Abraham giving of the tenth and the taxation for levites and the support for minister spoken of in 1 Cor 9 is the principle of GIVING or the need to support God's work through giving.

It showed forth as tithing under Moses and shows forth as grace giving (Giving as U are blessed; giving without compulsion; giving only after U have provided for your family; giving bc U love God; giving with common sense and not out of a religious compulsion so as not to incur God's wrath, while some fraudulent pastors smile to the bank, etc) in the new testament.

At this risk of starting a back and forth, will Adeyemi or any Pastor on this forum supply answers to the ten questions I provided above or forever keep silent?

I believe that God himself is behind this tithe controversy and it is his means of liberating people.

As you can see, my post was not to you. It bothers on rudeness to come to a public forum to tell someone to forever keep silent on an issue for general discussion. You said you agree that all pastors who receive tithes are thieves and you turned again to say you will tithe if some questions are answered. You are just so funny.

I do not need to prove anything to you on tithing. The bible is there to do that. Nairaland should not be your basis for doing or not doing something, you are not accountable to me. Let your spirit lead you and since you stopped tithing, please happily move on and stop trying to look for affirmation or someone to pet you to continue. Enjoy your freedom and let others do same.
Thank you.

DrummaBoy:

I believe that God himself is behind this tithe controversy and it is his means of liberating people.

Hmn..so God has now turn to your mate abi?..You should be careful the way your utter irresponsible and blasphemous statements here.There is a thin line dividing you right now with the atheist.

Alwaystrue:

When you understand the purpose and reason behind a principle, it will be easy to act on it in spirit. Abraham met Mechizedek, the priest of the Most High God, when returning from battle and was blessed of Melchizedek and Abraham gave a tenth (Heb.7:4,6).

Abraham tithing is NOT same as tithing 'under the law' and he did it ONCE! Most of us anti-tithers today have tithed MORE THAN ONCE, can you honestly say we have followed example of ABRAHAM? In fact, he was still Abram then - just like things you used to do in your old or carnal ways following the traditions of men. That was what Abraham did. Nowhere else in scriptures did he tithe because it was customary practice then to give tithe, NOT compulsory as you people teach today from the pulpit and raining MALACHI's curse on believers that Christ died to take away curses of the law from them and leave them with blessings.

Alwaystrue:

Afterwards, God said the tithe shoule be receivedby the Levite priests for the service they serve...Numbers 18:21.

By now with the way you have heard some teachings on this forum, you should be ashamed to say something in the open. You're paralleling Abram's tithe with tithing 'under the law'. Are they the same? You're making it sound as if Abraham's tithing was a foundation and God later formalize the Abraham's tithe for people 'under the law'. Tell us where 'spoils from war' is acceptable under the law if God was to be formalizing the Abraham tithe for the people of the law. What Abraham gave wasn't what he worked for but the people of the law worked for their tithe items. And by the way, when or where did God God changed from 'levites are to receive tithe' to 'pastors are to receive tithe'?

Alwaystrue:

In the New Testament, we see Jesus give perfect balance to the way tithe should be given because Jesus words are spirit and life:

Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

You're insulting the blood of Christ by calling the church of Jesus Pharisee. Don't read who Christ was talking to? And where in the world did you read that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the new testament? Christ was still 'under the law' and the law wasn't fulfilled yet plus he was talking to pharisees not even his disciples that will later carry on his messages established under the law. Know ye know that anyone who picks ONE of the commandments of the law is indebted to DO THE WHOLE LAW? It wasn't the disciples of Christ that was tithing in that verse but pharisees.

Alwaystrue:

Paul also said the below:
I Corinthians 9:13-14
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Inference! That's what you're interpreting here. Paul comparing how people of old were being taken care to the those who preach the gospel. We know where and what the people who minister from holy things partake from. If you're saying Paul meant tithe in that context, then you're under obligate to SHOW US WHERE THE LORD ORDAINED IT because Paul said, the Lord ordained it so.

Alwaystrue:

When you understand the principle for what you are doing, it will not be an offence to you to tithe as it helps the work of the ministry along with other forms of giving to others. Loving one's neighbour covers everyone, family, friends, poor & needy, ministers of the gospel like those in your local church & in missions who I believe you love as well and deserve wages.

This is one thing you tithe preacher like to hide under - PRINCIPLE. What is principles and what is commandment? Is tithing a principle or a commandment? You people keep confusing folks because of money. I have never read where tithing is a principle in the scripture. If you know of one, please show it.

Alwaystrue:

Another way which I also see is that when I give generally, it is a sign that I am blessed because it is from what I have that I can give. And I thank God and appreiciate Him for passing His blessings through me to also give to others and because the Lord will not leave a vacuum, He channels more through me.

Now you talking! Giving is different from tithing! You don't need a commandment to give, it is an inbuilt of your new nature and even unbelievers give. Giving is living but tithing is not. The New Testament makes it clear that giving is NOT the same as tithing.

Goshen360:

Abraham tithing is NOT same as tithing 'under the law' and he did it ONCE! Most of us anti-tithers today have tithed MORE THAN ONCE, can you honestly say we have followed example of ABRAHAM? In fact, he was still Abram then - just like things you used to do in your old or carnal ways following the traditions of men. That was what Abraham did. Nowhere else in scriptures did he tithe because it was customary practice then to give tithe, NOT compulsory as you people teach today from the pulpit and raining MALACHI's curse on believers that Christ died to take away curses of the law from them and leave them with blessings.



By now with the way you have heard some teachings on this forum, you should be ashamed to say something in the open. You're paralleling Abram's tithe with tithing 'under the law'. Are they the same? You're making it sound as if Abraham's tithing was a foundation and God later formalize the Abraham's tithe for people 'under the law'. Tell us where 'spoils from war' is acceptable under the law if God was to be formalizing the Abraham tithe for the people of the law. What Abraham gave wasn't what he worked for but the people of the law worked for their tithe items. And by the way, when or where did God God changed from 'levites are to receive tithe' to 'pastors are to receive tithe'?



You're insulting the blood of Christ by calling the church of Jesus Pharisee. Don't read who Christ was talking to? And where in the world did you read that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the new testament? Christ was still 'under the law' and the law wasn't fulfilled yet plus he was talking to pharisees not even his disciples that will later carry on his messages established under the law. Know ye know that anyone who picks ONE of the commandments of the law is indebted to DO THE WHOLE LAW? It wasn't the disciples of Christ that was tithing in that verse but pharisees.



Inference! That's what you're interpreting here. Paul comparing how people of old were being taken care to the those who preach the gospel. We know where and what the people who minister from holy things partake from. If you're saying Paul meant tithe in that context, then you're under obligate to SHOW US WHERE THE LORD ORDAINED IT because Paul said, the Lord ordained it so.



This is one thing you tithe preacher like to hide under - PRINCIPLE. What is principles and what is commandment? Is tithing a principle or a commandment? You people keep confusing folks because of money. I have never read where tithing is a principle in the scripture. If you know of one, please show it.



Now you talking! Giving is different from tithing! You don't need a commandment to give, it is an inbuilt of your new nature and even unbelievers give. Giving is living but tithing is not. The New Testament makes it clear that giving is NOT the same as tithing.

Thanks Goshen, I am not ashamed of what I do. Tithe is part of the givings I do and I am proud to. Your not liking the word is not my business really. You may need to discuss more with your students that if they believe something is wrong, they should not compromise on it but be bold to stand by it. I am sure you have not see me say I will not tithe 'if'? The word of God is sufficient for those led by it.
It is funny those who claim they know what insults Christ and what not. You think you know all.... If Jesus made a statement saying all the things that should be done, why do you not say I should not love God, have justice and mercy because Jesus spoke of tithe there. Do not be selective because you do not want to tithe. If you see what Jesus said there as not speaking to you then the other things He said are not for you as well.

My post I think is sufficient enough for those who understand.

People give because of what they can get out of it, not caring where the money goes to, oblivious to the extravagant life style their favourite MOG lives , and turning a blind eye to their suffering brethren.

Giving to reap a financial reward is not giving out of love , but selfishness and greed.

Bidam:
Sorry pals,thank God that Paul in the wisdom God gave him debunked all your errors by saying this:

(1 Timothy 6:3-4) "If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,".


We see here Paul addressing timothy a gentile under the new covenant the importance of Jesus words.Jesus( NOT Paul and the 12 Apostle of the lamb) is "the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

(John 12:48) "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same will judge him in the last day."


It is better to hold on to the words of Jesus o.Make una no say e no talk am.

So you are telling me it's ok to quote Jesus out of context just because it suits your greedy agenda.

Illustration of a typical tithe preacher.

@ Alwaystrue

My first grouse with U on this forum was bc I claimed that women do not have the capacity to engage theological discourses. So far you have not proven me wrong.

The last time I raised an issue with U on another thread U became so
worked up I considered it best not to respond so it doesn't degenerate to something else.

Theological discourses require stability, strength and intelligence; not emotions.

On D issue U've been raising about letting God lead me on this tithe
matter and not NL: By the grace of God, He has led me thus far. Check
that thread I opened, I talked about the things I had against tithing; the little snag was with Abraham and NL helped me with that. God can use anyone U know.

So cool down madam... and do not come here defining to us what rudeness is or what it is not. If U do not want anyone to be rude to U, You have no business being on this forum.

My advice: find capacity for theological discourse!

As for U Bidam, who is forever ready to defend Mama, Ignorance is not an excuse - it would only rob of so much. May U also find capacity to learn.

I taught it b4, I will teach again: Jesus purpose for coming to earth was not to teach Bible Doctrine. He came to die for our sins, Matthew 1:21. He fulfilled this and today we can enjoy this blessing through faith in his name. He made it clear that the Spirit of truth will reveal these things to the church when we are able to learn them.

Paul received these doctrines and taught them in his epistles and thus we have doctrines on Justification, Redemption, Predestination, Church administration, Marriage, Conversion, Giving, etc. While Paul taught extensively on giving to the church he never mentioned tithing. Where did we find ours?

Jesus Christ was born under the law and was subject to the law so as to fulfill the law: thus we have MATTHEW 23:23.

What is so difficult to understand about this?

Pastor Kun:

You are wrong here, the verse wasn't addressed to christian believers here but to Jews who were under the law and where obliged to tithe according to the law. Christians are not under the law.

I don't buy it bro!

DrummaBoy: As for U Bidam, who is forever ready to defend madam, Ignorance is not an excuse - it would only rob of so much. May U also find capacity to learn.

I taught it b4 I will teach again: Jesus purpose for coming to earth was not to teach Bible Doctrine. He came to die for our sins, Matthew 1:21. He fulfilled this and today we can enjoy this blessing through faith in his name. He made it clear that the Spirit of truth will reveal these things to the church when we are able to learn them.

Paul received these doctrines and taught them in his epistles and thus we have doctrines on Justification, Redemption, Predestination, Church administration, Marriage, Conversion, Giving, etc. While Paul taught extensively on giving to the church he never mentioned tithing. Where do we did ours.

Jesus Christ was born under the law and was subject to the law so as to fulfill the law: thus we have MATTHEW 23:23.

what is so difficult to understand about this?

(John 14:21-24) "He who has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is who loves me: ... If a man loves me, he will keep my word: ... He who does not love me does not keep not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me."

DrummaBoy: @ Alwaystrue

My first grouse with U on this forum was bc I claimed that women do not have the capacity to engage theological discourses. So far you have not proven me wrong.

The last time I raised an issue with U on another thread U became so worked I considered it best not to respond so it doesn't degenerate to something else.

Theological discourses require stability, strength and intelligence; not emotions.

On D issue U've been raising about letting God lead me on this tithe matter and not NL: By the grace of God, He has led me thus far. Check that thread I opened, I talked about the things I had against tithing; the little snag was with Abraham and NL helped me with that. God can use anyone U know.

So cool down madam... and do not come here defining to us what rudeness is or what it is not. If U do not want anyone to be rude to U, You have no business being on this forum.

My advice: find capacity for theological discourse!

You really are one funny guy.

The only person getting worked up over tithe and going on the offensive is you. You said I was getting worked up on the other thread? No one mentioned tithe on the other thread, yet you were asking me why I was offended on why you do not tithe. You are trying too hard. Seems you were thinking aloud and like looking for offense where there is none. Lol.

I can see you like argument and can't seem to help seeing my posts. It is fine. Whatever you say does not move me and I have made that clear long before now.
If you do not see me fit to discuss bible matters with, then leave my post when you see it. Try not to discuss with me by force. This your grouse is so petty and it shows in your posts. If the best way to deal with people is to insult them and have no apologies then you have God to answer to. I am not bothered about insults, I just gave advice to you as it is not becoming of those who profess to love.

I said whatever you fit is ok for you, go ahead, why should I prove you wrong. You say one thing and do another. Now that you have said your bit, please try to be happy. I have peace of mind with what I post. Thanks for the advice.

Bidam:
Sorry pals,thank God that Paul in the wisdom God gave him debunked all your errors by saying this:

(1 Timothy 6:3-4) "If any man teach otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing,".


We see here Paul addressing timothy a gentile under the new covenant the importance of Jesus words.Jesus( NOT Paul and the 12 Apostle of the lamb) is "the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey him." (Hebrews 5:9).

(John 12:48) "He who rejects me, and does not receive my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same will judge him in the last day."

It is better to hold on to the words of Jesus o.Make una no say e no talk am.

Mr bidam,

Was Paul telling Timothy about what jesus said in his earthly ministry or about what Christ is saying after resurrection?

Paul was not with Jesus during his earthly ministry and there was no Mathew mark Luke and John (the four accounts of Jesus' earthly ministry) at the time. Paul also made it clear he did not learn from anyone or through the disciples that were present with Jesus. Remember!