dont get me wrong here oo. i try my best to tithe but am kinda confused. tithe is 10% of ur income,gain or profit as i understand it to be. my confusion here is at what point does one begin to tithe.
if am given a gift of say 1000naira,do i tithe it (100naira) or ignore till i receive a higher amount?
in essence, is there any amount too small to tithe?

Tithing is never realistic and will not be realistic. How many poor people have become rich by tithing? The poor were not commanded to tithe under the law. The law is not of faith says the scriptures. There's absolutely nothing like tithe or tithing for the new testament believers. Hebrews 7 ended tithe and tithing with the levitical priesthood. Go thy way and study it slowly. Free yourself from bondage of the law and release yourself unto freedom of the Spirit. Giving is living!

Reasons Why You Should Not Tithe Today:

1. The tithe was the tax instituted by God to sustain the levithical priesthood. This has been changed with d coming of Christ's eternal Priesthood that does not need tithing to sustain it, Hebrew 7:12.

2. Tithing is obligatory giving. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that NT giving should never be obligatory.

3. Abraham tithing, which some argue is pre-law, was a once for all thing and it was a tithe of spoil of war. Christian's incomes today is not war spoil. If we must tithe like Abraham, it must be once and for all and we must give the rest away like he did. God never demanded tithes from war spoils in all the wars Israel waged in the OT.

4. Jesus' mention of the tithe in Matthew 23:23 was in keeping with the Mosaic law, same way he commands those healed of diseases to report to the priest after he's healed them.

5. Paul, the leading NT author, never mentioned tithing in all his epistles, including the pastoral ones.

DejiYesufu: Reasons Why You Should Not Tithe Today:

1. The tithe was the tax instituted by God to sustain the levithical priesthood. This has been changed with d coming of Christ's eternal Priesthood that does not need tithing to sustain it, Hebrew 7:12.

2. Tithing is obligatory giving. 2 Cor 9:7 shows that NT giving should never be obligatory.

3. Abraham tithing, which some argue is pre-law, was a once for all thing and it was a tithe of spoil of war. Christian's incomes today is not war spoil. If we must tithe like Abraham, it must be once and for all and we must give the rest away like he did. God never demanded tithes from war spoils in all the wars Israel waged in the OT.

4. Jesus' mention of the tithe in Matthew 23:23 was in keeping with the Mosaic law, same way he commands those healed of diseases to report to the priest after he's healed them.

5. Paul, the leading NT author, never mentioned tithing in all his epistles, including the pastoral ones.

Wow! Very very enlightening I must say. If I get u correctly, tithe shud b paid once n for all. Seems hard to live by though cos dis idea has been ingrained in me rite frm wen I was lil.
How come no pastor or christain cleric has ever put it dis way. Most if not all churches encourage members to pay their tithes in order not to fall under the curse of those who rob God.
Its all confusing though

6. The tithe as mentioned in Abram's case, the law, Jesus, etc, was never hard core cash. The tithe was always from agricultural produce. How it transformed for this to monthly or weekly income can only be explained by modern day preachers.

7. The tithe mentioned under Moses was three type: that included giving to levite, giving to the poor, widows, etc and feasting by the tithers themselves. Which one are we to practise today, if indeed we are meant to tithe?

8. The tithe mentioned in Malachi 3 is an offshoot of the tithe that originated from the Mosaic law. The Malachi tithe ended in a curse. Believers today have been redeemed from the curse by Jesus being made a curse for us.

9. Tithing, like circumcision, was both pre-law and within law, but Paul argued passionately that Christians are not bound to be circumcised. This argument can be applied to tithing too.

10. Tithing denies the grace of God: God has freely given us all things, as he gave us Jesus Christ.

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author=kendraloops]
Wow! Very very enlightening I must say. If I get u correctly, tithe shud
b paid once n for all. Seems hard to live by though cos dis idea has
been ingrained in me rite frm wen I was lil.
How come no pastor or christain cleric has ever put it dis way. Most if
not all churches encourage members to pay their tithes in order not to
fall under the curse of those who rob God.
Its all confusing though[/quote]

DO NOT TAKE WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN AS SCRIPTURE. BE A BAREAN CHRISTIAN AND GO SEARCH OUT SCRIPTURES TO FIND OUT IF WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN IS TRUE OF FALSE.

My aim in writing this is not to win disciples or to create rebellion lest the pro-tithers come here and say so...

Indeed the truth sets free; in this case freedom from religion

Ok thanks. Just out of curiosity,wat church do u attend?

So far, I have given what I would call 'scriptural' reasons for not tithing. I continue with 'non scriptural' but sensible reasons:

11. Historically tithing was first practised by Gentiles 700 after Christ.

12. Tithing is the institutional church means of supporting its bogus and unnecessary system.

13. Tithing became popular among Baptist, Mormon and Catholic churches with time, although recent popes do not emphasize tithing.

14. Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Spurgeon and some other former reputable men of God never preached tithing and spoke against it.

15. Tithing is not practical. Like in the case of the OP, many people are not sure how much to tithe; whether to tithe lottery monies; or tithe business capital or school fees; etc.

16. There is also the conflict either to pay tithe or to use the money to provide for a family need, buy drugs, ap fees, etc.

17. The word 'pay' shows that pay tithes today are doing according to the law because that word denotes fulfilling an obligation.

Tithing is a SIN...those who paid tithe are indirectly telling jesus the price he paid on the cross is worthless.

Atigba: Tithing is a SIN...those who paid tithe are indirectly telling jesus the price he paid on the cross is worthless.

Ododo Oro! Preach it bro!

18. If tithing was to be limited to 'give' and not 'pay' it would be tendering more to the NT spirit that permit freedom in giving as we purpose in our hearts.

19. Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that we should follow after weightier matters of the law; thus tithing is not weighty. Paul in Romans 14 shows that matters of doctrine that are not weighty should be left to individuals to decide to do or not: there fore 'He that tithes, to the Lord he tithe... But he that does not tithe, to the Lord he does not tithe'.

20. In spite of the liberty Paul has given the church to follow in Romans 14, some insist that tithing must be compulsory; therefore, a worthy response to them is that tithing is not compulsory.

21. Lastly, for now, tithing feeds the flamboyant, ostentatious, arrogant, un Christlike, and selfishness of today's gospel preacher. Thus, to justify these lifestyle, the prosperity gospel is promulgated. The root of Jet, Limousine and mansion acquisitions is the tithe.

I anyone wishes to offer a rebuttal to the above 21 reasons, you are welcome but I will appreciate its one after the other and not just to refer to it all as false. Show us what is wrong with the aforementioned.

kendraloops: Ok thanks. Just out of curiosity,wat church do u attend?

I attend a Pentecostal church in Ibadan. Tithing is obligatory in the church and understandably it has brought me at logger head with the church leadership.

But it really doesn't matter what church I attend. The church is the body of Christ, you and me, and we deserve to hear the truth and have the liberty to do as we are led.

Very soon pro tithers will invade this thread and U will have the opportunity to hear their own side. and then U can peacefully decide what to do.

Galatians 5:3
Amplified Bible (AMP)
3 I once more protest and testify to every man who receives circumcision that he is under obligation and bound to practice the whole of the Law and its ordinances.

Circumcision of the 8th day is one of the law and so is tithing. If you choose to do one of the law, e.g tithing; you are under obligation and bound to practice the WHOLE LAW! Think about that!

Goshen360: Galatians 5:3
Amplified Bible (AMP)
3 I once more protest and testify to every man who receives circumcision that he is under obligation and bound to practice the whole of the Law and its ordinances.

Circumcision of the 8th day is one of the law and so is tithing. If you choose to do one of the law, e.g tithing; you are under obligation and bound to practice the WHOLE LAW! Think about that!

The WHOLE LAW? Guess we might as well go back to living life a la old testament where a man must be cleansed after avin a wet dream or women after their monthly period. Seems we humans adapt the translation of the Bible to suit our beliefs, confuses me a lot.
When I posted dis topic, all I was xpctin by way of comments was pple tellin wen to pay n all. I must confess dat av bin sooo surprised (in a gud way though) by d kinda comments pouring in.
Neva in my life did I knw dat pple held dis type of view. Tot tithing was as natural to a xtian as callin on Jesus.

I also remember attendin a fellowship while in d Uni. Twas a female preacher n after d sermon, she called for tithes n offerin. I was like 'whaaaat?',tithe 4 fellowship?. She even sed 'bring ur tithe n food for d prophet'. Pple rushed to d podium with tubers of yam. Kegs of oil n d likes. Needless to say, twas d last time I attended dat fellowship.
Visited a friend recently n there's a church close to r house. A midweek service was goin on. From beginning to d end of d sermon, d preacher was just hammering on d payment of tithes at d top of his voice. I couldn't help but laff as I wondered if he wud av preached salvation with so much intensity.

Mr Goshen na wa o. See what the OP asked:

kendraloops: dont get me wrong here oo. i try my best to tithe but am kinda confused. tithe is 10% of ur income,gain or profit as i understand it to be. my confusion here is at what point does one begin to tithe.
if am given a gift of say 1000naira,do i tithe it (100naira) or ignore till i receive a higher amount?
in essence, is there any amount too small to tithe?

And here's what your response was:

Goshen360: Tithing is never realistic and will not be realistic. How many poor people have become rich by tithing?

Setting the tone for malice and rebellion, which seems to be what you enjoy.

You don't get it, tithing was never meant to make anyone rich. Rather, it is to fulfil an 'obligation', just like baptism, communion, and so on. Try addressing the main issues instead of trying to bring your sport into it.

Of what good is our tithe to God if we keep living sinfully? Is tithing meant to pacify God? Or just an 'obligation'? On another hand, Jesus paid the ultimate price and broke us off the old laws.

Like DejiYesufu said, it is left for any individual to decide.

Back to the OP, tithe is one-tenth of your gains or profit.
No amount is too small. I know people who tithe on N500. Some keep the the money until it is reasonable enough to present. If you believe in tithing, then go on with it.

kendraloops:
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When I posted dis topic, all I was xpctin by way of comments was pple tellin wen to pay n all.

I must confess dat av bin sooo surprised (in a gud way though) by d kinda comments pouring in.

Neva in my life did I knw dat pple held dis type of view.

Tot tithing was as natural to a xtian as callin on Jesus.

@kendraloops

You thought wrong ...

In the bible, tithing, offerings and the temple tax is mentioned.

But, the church teaches it today in a way that is non-biblical.

The temple tax was what was used to support the temple.

It was a set amount, like a shekel per person, about 25 cents each.

With several million people giving a shekel, this was adequate

Today, the tithe is used instead of the temple tax.

Originally, only the men came 3 times a year to bring an offering . . . not the women or children…. . . especially not single mothers, widows, cripples, sick people, poor people.

When tithing was done, only landowners did it, because the tithe came from their harvest of land that was completely paid for. People who did not own property could not do this. They were only servants. When the tithe was brought, as well as offerings, the giver ate the tithe before the Lord, and shared some with the priest. This was a time of fellowship with God, like having an intimate dinner with the Lord.

The tithe was not used to support the priest’s salary, or buy him a car, or build him a house. In fact, the priest was not allowed to own any property.

Today, pastors use the tithe to pay themselves, build additions on to the church, and pay administrative costs. The poor usually get nothing, and “eating the tithe” is considered robbing God.

The church frowns on the giver keeping some of the tithe for one’s own use, like buying food to eat, because the tithe belongs to God, not the giver, according to the church view.


This is not what scripture says. Scripture says the purpose of the tithe is for the giver to eat it (actually physically benefiting from it), and do so before the Lord, sharing with others who have need.

Today, the giver is denied any benefit from the tithe, thus denying him his fellowship dinner with the Lord.

Instead, it is removed from him under a message of guilt and obligation, and the pastor and elders pull a salary from his gift.

In the bible, the pastors and elders did not get paid. The bible said they all worked for a living, and anyone who did not work, did not eat. No one, especially the leaders, expected others to work while they sat around on their holy behinds, and waited for a free handout. All the believers studied the scriptures, not just the pastors.

And all the believers were ministers to others. No one had a paid position. This is an artificial system created by so called leaders who did not want to work for a living.


To make it worse, instead of just demanding tithes from the men who owned property and had a harvest, the church now shamelessly demands tithes out of widows, students, single moms, and sick people on disability.

Instead of feeding the poor, the church is taxing the poor.

If one is not a tither in the church, then they cannot have membership. If one then is not a member, then they deserve no benefits from the church, especially financial help, which is the main need of the poor.

[b]People who are still trying to buy their first property, and are in debt, are required to give, even though this is against scripture.

Some ministers actually have the nerve to tell people who do not have any money (the poor), to put large donations on their credit cards, going into debt, and just believe God will bring money to them so they can pay the credit card bill. People are threatened with the curses of God if they do not tithe.

In the Bible, God wanted 10% of what the property owner had produced on his land as a profit, not 10% before expenses.

In the church today, members are required to give 10% of their gross, before expenses, not their “profit” after expenses.

In the bible days, there were no federal taxes, state taxes, social security deductions, parking fees, gasoline expenses, auto insurance, electricity bills, property taxes, IRS, and babysitting fees.

All there was – was the temple tax of one shekel (25 cents).

The church has no mercy on people who actually work for a living, and demands 10% of the gross. This is really sick.

The average church does not preach the gospel to the unsaved. The average church supports its own “me first ” programs.

Church programs may be fine in concept, but the meaning of the offerings and tithes is lost in a new social hall, and a pay raise for the pastor, who will not work for a living as the bible requires.

The bible never told any pastor to quit working and hang around full time as a pastor. What do these pastors do all week? Are they reaching the lost as they claim? Answer . . . No[/b].

kendraloops The sheep need to get smart. They are ministers too.

Pastors are only for the newly saved, because once they are taught, they should be out helping others, bringing new converts into the church.

In the bible, the pastors were only for the untaught gentiles. The Jews did not need pastors since they already knew the scriptures.

It is a modern day DISGRACE that pastors have convinced members that they are to stay forever in the church, once they are taught, and just stay to pay tithes to support the pastor’s salary.

After 20-30 years, these members should be doing more than sitting there. They should be out preaching the gospel to the unsaved. They do not “need” their pastor anymore because they are not newly saved and in need of teaching.

If kendraloops the sheep just realized the power they had, they would bust loose from this bondage and turn the world upside down. I hope and pray they get the point soon.

Buy the truth, and sell it not Prov 23:23.

"Buy the truth and do not sell it - wisdom, instruction and insight as well" - Prov 23:23 NIV

"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding" - Prov 23:23 KJV

Do not sell the gospel !!

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Lol @ kendraloops the sheep.
Many thanks for ur contribution. I jst had to ask cos its been like a heavy burden on my neck what with d way some churches handle it like its d basis of xtianity.
Based on my earlier post abt d female prophet demandin for tithe n food for the prophet, I questioned my friend who invited me to d fellowship as to y d preacher doesn't work cos she stil looked very young. Friend cudnt ansa n afta a yl, she stopped attendin too.
in anoda church I attended, I remember d pastor encouraging us to fill a convenant payment slip with as high an amount as we cud av faith to fill. Even me with my 5k allowee frm home den(lol) filled a huge amount I hoped to pay. Almost 4yrs now n stil avnt bin able to redeem my pledge cos mehn, d cash no dey. Anytime I remembered, I began feeling guilty thinking God'l b angry n punish me.
Chai! Am really a LOST SHEEP! May God help me

Goshen360: Galatians 5:3
Amplified Bible (AMP)
3 I once more protest and testify to every man who receives circumcision that he is under obligation and bound to practice the whole of the Law and its ordinances.

Circumcision of the 8th day is one of the law and so is tithing. If you choose to do one of the law, e.g tithing; you are under obligation and bound to practice the WHOLE LAW! Think about that!

na hia una come hide? Pursue them scamers!

kendraloops: Lol @ kendraloops the sheep.
Many thanks for ur contribution. I jst had to ask cos its been like a heavy burden on my neck what with d way some churches handle it like its d basis of xtianity.
Based on my earlier post abt d female prophet demandin for tithe n food for the prophet, I questioned my friend who invited me to d fellowship as to y d preacher doesn't work cos she stil looked very young. Friend cudnt ansa n afta a yl, she stopped attendin too.
in anoda church I attended, I remember d pastor encouraging us to fill a convenant payment slip with as high an amount as we cud av faith to fill. Even me with my 5k allowee frm home den(lol) filled a huge amount I hoped to pay. Almost 4yrs now n stil avnt bin able to redeem my pledge cos mehn, d cash no dey. Anytime I remembered, I began feeling guilty thinking God'l b angry n punish me.
Chai! Am really a LOST SHEEP! May God help me

You may also wish to read deut 14:22-29 to see how the bible defines tithes and contrast it to the false one being preached today.

@ deekseen,

You are under obligation to show where the church of the new testament taught tithe. Where did the Apostles taught tithing but I testify to you and @ the OP that Hebrews 7 made tithe null and void with the levitical priesthood. Look it up!

I av checked from Gen to Rev, there is no verse that says 'CHRISTIANS SHOULD GIVE 10% OF THEIR SALARIES EVERY MONTH to God, pastors or church organisations', if uve seen pls show me. God bless.

christemmbassey: I av checked from Gen to Rev, there is no verse that says 'CHRISTIANS SHOULD GIVE 10% OF THEIR SALARIES EVERY MONTH to God, pastors or church organisations', if uve seen pls show me. God bless.

wat of malachi 3:8-11. wat do u understand by d verses? wud like to knw ur views on dis.

Pastor Kun:

You may also wish to read deut 14:22-29 to see how the bible defines tithes and contrast it to the false one being preached today.

read it a while ago.doesnt it contradict malachi 3:8

The Lord our fortress just recently opened my eyes and my family to the truth about tithe. Tithe is not for Christians. I encourage the sister who started this topic to take time and study more. Me and my family was put in dark but the Lord fortress opened our eyes. Hallelujah to the Lord our fortress.

kendraloops:
read it a while ago.doesnt it contradict malachi 3:8

It does not contradict it, it actually compliments it. What it contradicts is the false interpretation modern day preachers have attached to the malachi 3 passage.

FortresOfChrist: The Lord our fortress just recently opened my eyes and my family to the truth about tithe. Tithe is not for Christians. I encourage the sister who started this topic to take time and study more. Me and my family was put in dark but the Lord fortress opened our eyes. Hallelujah to the Lord our fortress.

pls can u share some of the truths uve learnt with us and how u used to be in the dark as regards tithing. lemme see if we share d same history.

Pastor Kun:

It does not contradict it, it actually compliments it. What it contradicts is the false interpretation modern day preachers have attached to the malachi 3 passage.

seriously to the point that one begins to feel guilty if u come without ur tithe even if u av no known source of livelihood.

Malachi 3:8

1. Malachi 3 is an offshoot of Numbers 18 and other Mosaic scriptures that spoke of the temple tax: tithe. In Nehemiah, the tithe was no longer being paid and the priest had abandoned the work of the temple. God was calling his people to restore the temple tax so the work of the temple could continue.

2. The curse mentioned in that chapter is the curse that follows the breaking of the law.

3. The question then is: are Christians under the law of Moses? Are Christians cursed? The answer is a resounding No!

4. If we say we will take Malachi 3 as an independent scripture and not consider it an offshoot of Moses; we may compare it to Genesis 17, which is not of Moses also, where God lays the eternal position of circumcision down. However, in the NT, we see circumcision no longer applying to gentiles.

5. The safest conclusion here is to see that God was speaking to a people here: the Jews. We are gentiles. That passage, like many other part of OT, doesn't apply to us.

kendraloops:
pls can u share some of the truths uve learnt with us and how u used to be in the dark as regards tithing. lemme see if we share d same history.

I have to go to bed now. I will share my testimony by tomorrow. Hopefully, it will help others. Good night.

kendraloops:
wat of malachi 3:8-11. wat do u understand by d verses? wud like to knw ur views on dis.

my sister, even the jews whn were commanded to pay tithe were NEVER REQUIRED TO PAY TITHTE their salaries/wages EVERY WEEK OR MONTH END, in those days there were hired labourers besides carpenters, black/goldsmiths, fisher men, tent makers/builders, artists garments makers etc and most of then earned cash which was also hn use check ur bible if u can find even a single verse where any of these pple were asked to tithe their salaries/wages daily, weekly, monthly or yearly. And or the christians who came latter, where did Jesus, or Peter, John Paul or any of the apostles pay or collected tithe even once or periodically?. The book of Malachi was actually to warn the priests who collected tithes from their brethren(jews) but refused to bring tithe of tithes to the temple, so being representatives of the ppl this negligence was viewed as a sin committed by the entire nation, having said that, the trut is, that book has NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANS. We are christians made free from the curse of mosaic law, we ONLY subscribe to "the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus" who actually set us free from the mosaic " law of SIN AND DEATH" rm8:1-4. Like a poster said here earlier, pls b a barean christian and search and see for urself. Remember, and u shall know the truth, and the truthe shall make u free. Remain blessed.