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| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:09pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
i showed 4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1 ,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible) or king james version Galatians 4:14 . .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. paul directly call jesus 'angel of God' what again? but ben and others have failed to show just one verse that says 'satan is a angel/cherub' funny enough, ben says serpent is cherub  1 Like |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:15pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
benalvino: |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Itsfacts: 10:13pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: you don forget say asa black man yoube monkey for oyibo face,but you no be oyibo you foolish like this na U they call ya self barrister |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:29pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Itsfacts:im.becile-saliva'ism  , where me and you talk that one? prove by using your bible where dem call satan angel you no fit  you say you see where your oga ben talk say satan be cherub, why you no fit show the verse, na me say make trinity virus put confusion for your life, so tay one single bible you no know?, im.becile saliva.ism lets go now you don kolo patapata empty head like drum e he he he he, i pity you |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Itsfacts: 8:33am On Sep 07, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: Monkey no one is talking to you go and rest mumu barrister |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:38am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Itsfacts: the one and only im.becile saliva.ism see your logo e be like say you love Mango,or banana the way you dey call monkey like this mo-n-kiiiii like calabar people.you say nobody dey talk to me ha, ha, ha,haaaa trinity lie lie no fit see light where truth dey, the lie go vamooos f-i-a-m. me i no be barrister o, i don talk am tey tey, so go meet am yarn am wetin e do you but remember say, na another person thread be dis,and e get wetin e dey want make we discuss before, about jesus and angel, i don show you with 5 different bible verse wey talk am directly, you no fit show us one, why you dey run now? you need mango |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:44am On Sep 07, 2013 |
i have showed 4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1 ,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible) or king james version Galatians 4:14 . .. but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. paul directly call jesus 'angel of God' what again? Task accomplished, can those who fail to show us from the bible that 'satan is an angel' show us here? im waiting |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Emusan(m): 10:04am On Sep 07, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: This is how you people misinterprete the Bible, Paul's statement here is as simple as ABC received me as an angel(messenger) of God, even as (the way they received Christ Jesus), not as Jesus as an angel 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Here Paul was talking about his reception into descipleship as they received him as an angel even the way they received Jesus. WE CAN SAY WITH FAITH because of what Saul-Paul did in the past. Shalom! |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by benalvino(m): 10:42am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Emusan: Its not worth it man. Don't bother talking to them... Barrister aka Berninoore has binally gone nuts... That reputation he was trying to build has shown he was just a pretender that comes to nairaland trying to seek respect by trying to make others look stupid. Now he is the one behaving stupid. Check is comment how unintelligent they are. And he was same person that was taking permission to post links saying it is respect. The guy just expose so I see no reason to talk much cause my work is done. |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 10:51am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Emusan: friend, i believe that we can have wholesome discussion, and we can achieve that by avoiding destractors who if you chech the whole tread they have nothing to contribute than insult, so i have to give it back to their face. you are welcome, and you can judge for yourself when distractors will be barking so, before i comment, kindly have a say on these 4 bible verses below, it was not written by me 4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1 ,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible) |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:01am On Sep 07, 2013 |
benalvino: your work is not done, you failed badly to prove that im barrister and up till now you cant answer where satan was said to be an angel, you say serpent was a cherub? your task was to reduce yourself to nuts, and you did, you have evaporated from the thread, because you deny scriptures plainly, im not on NL to satisfy you, but others who are honest, we have good discussion even right now |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:05am On Sep 07, 2013 |
[size=14pt]Malachi 3:1 Darby Translation (DARBY) 3 Behold, I send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me; and the Lord whom ye seek will suddenly come to his temple, and the Angel of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he cometh, saith Jehovah of hosts.[/size] |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by truthislight: 11:09am On Sep 07, 2013 |
Emusan: Sharrap ! Who is the one doing the addition below on red now ? Emusan: hypocrites, is christ not a messenger ? "And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus." (Galatians 4:14). That ^ is exactly the way that bible verse is, not your intent to twist. Emusan: and again you must lie ! What has that scripture to do with what you are saying ? What past there ? Was the place talking about Saul's past violence ? See the befor and after verses : "Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me." (Galatians 4:13-15). Does it talk about paul's past ? This is the way you keep deceiving those that will not read there bible. Smh |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by benalvino(m): 11:42am On Sep 07, 2013 |
@emusan its not worth it. Both of them will insult you or call you names. Just go and see from page 4 and they are fund of deleting their post. This one just tell you to sharap because he doesn't understand the English used there. If I tell you take me as your brother just as you take frosbel does that mean am saying frosbel is your brother? Or am saying you see him as your brother. English is a problem for them. No point replying them and bernimoore or barrister has shown his self just what I wanted. If you are a man with integrity when someone insult you, you dont insult back... Rather you show your integrity by walking away. So when you start looking at this thread from page 4 U will see who start the insulting unless they have deleted their post yet again. Spend your time for better thread no waste am with this guys |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:53am On Sep 07, 2013 |
@ Emusan, on page 0 of this particular thread, not far from your comment https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not see the very 1st comment benalvino made,when im replying the op, and not him, in form of throwing missile, he attacks first below judge for yourself if such person mean peace, https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not benalvino: |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 11:57am On Sep 07, 2013 |
on page 2, he threw another misile this way; benalvino: 1 Like |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 12:09pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
so when someone throws such missile at the very beggining, which shows that he has unpeaceful mission i extend friendship to him he he was adamant but later got his finger burnt, i believe everybody has got the responsibilty to be respectful of others, but not capitalising on some people's humility to frustrate them, im not going to fold my arms and watch continous wrongdoings but i welcome constructive and peaceful debate, and im ever ready!thanks |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 12:24pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
he invites one 'itsfacts' that cannot even quote a single bible on this thread but to insult black race saying monkey monkey when he is one. when ben's plan failed, he was angry, and frustrated, whose fault? they say when you live inside a glass house DONT THROW missiles benalvino threw the very first missile on this particular thread on pge 0.,https://www.nairaland.com/1403841/why-jesus-son-god-not even disrespecting the thread owner by derailing the topic, for example he is interested in sterring the topic towards jws by first mentioning their 'faithful slave' and insults, even when i said im not jw, and site where i got mine own belief of the issue on angel by 'ray-foucher' and put the link,its like he got scores to settle with the jws and seems im blocking his way, okay lets concentrate on the issue of angel he keeps inviting those who cannot even quote a verse but throw insult so, like i say im ready at anytime for clean constructive debate |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by benalvino(m): 12:53pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Itsfacts: You got to applaud this guy, he talks about suing me because am speculating he is barrister which he is for real, now he is speculating that I invite you. Let him do damage control lol he was really depressed let him have fun. Soon he will sue us. I told him exactly what I want to do and he didn't realize he is gonna look stupid. somewhere down the thread he beg that we should not insult or do the name calling which I doubt I was doing later he says I am having sex with a pig because he embarrassed him self saying animals are sons of men. I advise you to let him try to do the damage control on his name, if he changed his ID again we will know. Let him be. I know emusan always takes advise 2 Likes |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Emusan(m): 2:05pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: Using caustic words is bad. you are welcome, and you can judge for yourself when distractors will be barking Thanks, we are here to share knowledge so there's no need to be bashing ourself. so, before i comment, kindly have a say on these 4 bible verses below, it was not written by me Ok, I did. 4 good bibles that says jesus is an angel,(angel of covenant) (malachi 3:1 ,..(1)dual rheims, (2)darby bible,(3)wyclyff and (4)Amplified bible) I only read amplified version which gives more details about the verse you quoted but I always use KJV. "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and theLord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith theLordof hosts."KJV This is how amplified put its own: "Behold, I send My [a] messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me. And the Lord [the Messiah], Whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; the [b] Messenger or Angel of the covenant, Whom you desire, behold, He shall come, says the Lord of hosts." Footnotes: a. Malachi 3:1 This is fulfilled in John the Baptist (Matt. 11:10; Mark 1:2; Luke 1:76). b. Malachi 3:1The Messiah as God’s representative will confirm and establish the covenant (see Isa. 42:6). At the footnote John baptist was the one who fulfilled the first statement while Jesus fulfilled the last. Now can we say John the baptist also is an angel? Thou amplified put or Angel in place of messenger. the B of the footnote clearified the doubt, means the MESSENGER in that verse simply refers to someone who will come and perform the obligatory. My stance of show face again on this tread is when you said Apostle Paul called Jesus an angel in that verse. Gal 4:14 which is not so; 1) the conjunction word in btw the two phrases used as an adverb is EVEN. So check the mean of this word. And see how amplified put it whether I'm wrong or not; Gal 4:14 "And [yet] although my physical condition was [such] a trial to you, you did not regard it with contempt, or scorn and loathe and reject me; but you received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus [Himself]! Amp Shalom! |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 4:02pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Using caustic words is bad. i know, but it was the last option i have to take, but as you can see it wasnt me that started it,the very first post of his on the thread says i have 10MB to use for the the thread, and it miraculously turns to be unending MB, , but seriously, i realise that some people dont need to be pampered with too much humility, even the bible warns against 'throwing your PEARL before SWINES. i will not be that humble but to those who meant business i will be good. you are welcome!Thanks, we are here to share knowledge so there's no need to be bashing ourself.i agree, and because of you, i will put it on hold, but just watch out for the way they will be throwing missiles of which i know how to handle, but just watch-out here.. I only read amplified version which gives more details about the verse you quoted but I always use KJV. if the 2nd messenger refers to 'someone who will come' who is jesus, you will agree with me that jesus was still in the heaven when 'the mention of messenger' was used for him. true or false and let me ask you another question who are angels? can you define and apply it to 1, john humans 2,jesus (still in spirit form) in malachi 3:1. My stance of show face again on this tread is when you said Apostle Paul called Jesus an angel in that verse. Gal 4:14 which is not so; 1) the conjunction word in btw the two phrases used as an adverb is EVEN. So check the mean of this word. And see how amplified put it whether I'm wrong or not; Gal 4:14 "And [yet] although my physical condition was [such] a trial to you, you did not regard it with contempt, or scorn and loathe and reject me; but you received me as an angel of God, [even] as Christ Jesus [Himself]! Amp we have instances when God himself visit humans in the bible, moses for example, and the people of istrealites of old. moses heard Gods voice coming from the fire he remove his sandals because where he stands was declared holy! because of Gods presence. we also have instances where angels visit humans and were received promtly, in these two instances, will it not be derogatory for paul to use angel to describe his reception like jesus when he should have known that jesus is higher than angels? why does he strikes parrallel with angel and jesus? simply because of something they both shares, ANGELS ARE MESSENGERS by defination, so we have spirit angels and human angels, BUT there is nothing like angelic beign. separate from spirit beigns. and since angel is define messenger, it means the word angel 'is just a task' of either spirit or humans 1 Like |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Itsfacts: 4:59pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Mr Barrister alias bernimoore soon to be lawyer see where your friend they beg you make the gist continue but you frustrate like person wey loose him livelihood. this na my best part of the thread as you they sound like say you wan cry. hohohohohohoh |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Emusan(m): 7:11pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: Yes Jesus pre-exist His birth and let me ask you another question who are angels? can you define and apply it to 1, john humans 2,jesus (still in spirit form) in malachi 3:1. If we both agree that Angels are messengers, then the same thing applied to both John and Jesus because John wasn't born when Malachi was written. we have instances when God himself visit humans in the bible, moses for example, and the people of istrealites of old. moses heard Gods voice coming from the fire he remove his sandals because where he stands was declared holy! because of Gods presence. No don't let us assume here, that passage strickly expressed the intention of Paul specifically with that adverb---EVEN that's why I quote from Amplified version just to show you that Paul didn't call Jesus an Angel in that verse. He strikes parellel to Angels and Jesus because they have received Jesus as the Messiah,,,,this is what I'm try to explain in my previous post this is it again "Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even(exactly) as Christ Jesus." emphasis added, this verse(not the whole chapter) Paul was reference to how he was accepted into Apostleship. The EVEN there means 'exactly' check your Dictionary. Shalom! |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 8:26pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
@Emusan, let me treat this in picemeal; Yes Jesus pre-exist His birth good, if we have to apply that logic equally, the fact that jesus preexist and john did not pre-exist, but another fact worth considering is the fact that the book of isaih(below) shows or stressed that he(jesus) already possesed the spirit of serving as a servant, while john has been destined to be Gods servant messenger from conception, not to talk of his birth. he is one of the special case of predestined ones like esau and jacob. luke 1:11-15 11 Then an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing at the right side of the altar of incense. 12 When Zechariah saw him, he was startled and was gripped with fear. 13 But the angel said to him: “Do not be afraid, Zechariah; your prayer has been heard. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to call him John. 14[b] He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord[/b]. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and [size=18pt]he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born[/size] he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born can you see that even before john was born, he was already filled with holy spirit as a messenger, jesus, who do not need to be refilled again with holy spirit-to-serve on earth like john but had already been declared as possesing the spirit as Gods servant right from heaven, God said i have put my spirit on him, while he is yet to become a human in isaiah 42;1-6 42 [size=18pt]“Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! [size=18pt]I have put My Spirit upon Him[/size]; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles[/size]. 2 He will not cry out, nor raise His voice, Nor cause His voice to be heard in the street. 3 A bruised reed He will not break, And smoking flax He will not quench; He will bring forth justice for truth. 4 He will not fail nor be discouraged, Till He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands shall wait for His law.” 5 Thus says God the Lord, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it, Who gives breath to the people on it, And spirit to those who walk on it: 6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; [size=18pt]I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles[/size], [size=18pt]God was talking to jesus right there in the heaven[/size], Behold! My Servant when jesus was still in the heaven in pre-human spirit form jesus already possesed the holy spirit of service as a servant/messenger while in heaven, see the use of word here..in verse 1; [size=18pt]I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles [/size] this isaih in old testament says it all that jesus has been Gods servant from the heaven what do you have to say about this? 1 Like |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Itsfacts: 8:30pm On Sep 07, 2013 |
Emusan go to page 8 and read for insight of the situation Ben put barrister. |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by BERNIMOORE: 9:55am On Sep 08, 2013 |
@Emusan still on the isaiah 42:6 there in the heaven, God was having discussion with jesus, having reffered to him as 'my servant' assuring jesus of his support [size=18pt]6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, And will hold Your hand; I will keep You and give You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the Gentiles[/size] it is just too obvious! |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Emusan(m): 11:47am On Sep 08, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: Yes I see. What I'm saying is if John's birth was prophesied in Malachi as a messenger which you believe all messengers are Angels because I can see that's your point that Jesus is an Angel. Then according to malachi John also must be an Angel because he's a messenger promise to come. That's why I let you to know that be a messenger doesn't necessarily mean Angel but sometimes someone to fulfilled a certain obligatory. Do you agree? jesus, who do not need to be refilled again with holy spirit-to-serve on earth like john I know because He(Jesus) lives inside the Holyspirit. [b]isaiah 42;1-6 42 “Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, My Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him;He will bring forth justice to the Gentiles I have shown you how Jesus can be called a servant in other tread. As Luke redefine the prophesy of Malachi, likewise Jesus has redefined His own prophesy of God puting His own spirit on Him. John 5:26 "For as the Father hath life in Himself, so hath He(Father) given to the Son to have life in Himself" Emphasis added...here Jesus make it clear that He(Jesus) didn't has life before when He was with God as His WORD...notice the phrase "Hath He given". 6 “I, the Lord, have called You in righteousness, Explain again. what do you have to say about this? That Jesus is the Spoken-word of God and the WORD is also God. Now in that Malachi 3:1 I know you believe that it is God who is speaking then check this statement: Mal 3:1 "BEHOLD, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before ME: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to HIS temple,......" *Who is that ME? Remember this ME that is come is still the same one who is speaking. *Whose LORD did these people seek, that will come suddenly to His temple? Please answer. Shalom! |
| Re: Why Jesus, The Son Of God, Is NOT An Angel by Emusan(m): 12:28pm On Sep 08, 2013 |
Itsfacts: Emusan go to page 8 and read for insight of the situation Ben put barrister. Thanks I actually following this tread from beginning. I show face again because @BERN misunderstand Gal 4:14. And I believe he can see truly that the verse is not pointing to Jesus an Angel. 1 Like |
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