kwangi: How do you guys even sleep?
With the kind of hatred you peeps breed, man, I don't wish to descend to your level.

It pains me that most Igbo peeps on the thread don't know who they're talking to!
Guys, this prexios and his twin amor4ce are worse than the usual loud mouthed bigots on nairaland due to the way they push their agenda which is a 100 time more sinister,wicked!

Just pay a visit to amor4ce's wordpress blog through his profile, then you know what this dude and his twin thinks of you and why he opens threads such as this.

Slimy things!
Check this out, from the above mentioned blog.
http://yemitom./tag/igbo/

it is normal to be annoyed with one another sometimes, we are humans, we find ourselves lumped in a country that our founding fathers had failed to transformed from the colonial configurations of a mythical "apple of discord" to a country of kindred spirits.

But in spite of all the racism that the world have to offer, you still find people go across their borders to make friend, is it not in the same world that people come and make foes? the choice is each person's.

Amo4ce is still holding to the realities of African past experience like the Rastafarians, he believes like what obtains with abolitionist in search of liberation of Africa, i did not chose the belief for him nor do i have dept of his feeling to analyze.

to me he is very intelligent in his contributions on my thread. He is a blogger and he is striving to connect to his roots, the way he feels best, sort of.

I really don't want to be a saint, i just want to live above petty hatred. i am not begging you to love me. but i am a blogger and a researcher, so pardon my excesses.

Dude buzz off!
Stop going in circles.
The title of your thread betrays your disposition.
When you want to do something, just do it!
Straightforwardly!
Don't hide behind some "truth" finding quest.

Hate you?
Do I know you?
That's a lot of energy.
Just have to warn my peeps of you slimy lot.
Good thing this particular topic is on a fairly positive path because of the people commenting on it and not because of you.
If they had gawked and walked down the part you intended, it woulda been a totally different story by now.

kwangi: Dude buzz off!
Stop going in circles.
The title of your thread betrays your disposition.
When you want to do something, just do it!
Straightforwardly!
Don't hide behind some "truth" finding quest.

Hate you?
Do I know you?
That's a lot of energy.
Just have to warn my peeps of you slimy lot.
Good thing this particular topic is on a fairly positive path because of the people commenting on it and not because of you.
If they had gawked and walked down the part you intended, it woulda been a totally different story by now.

make contributions that adds to knowledge,
dont fume over my own crafty title, or other glaring ambitions,
a lot of people on this thread are wiser and more informed than me.
some are old enough to sit me down and give me lessons on history.
i am into publishing: if you want to get people to read you, you have
to be creative with "title craft" to get peoples attention, its normal.
that may not have been your leaning anyway. i dont mean you hate me, why?
you are just acting on impulse as someone defending his culture.

Wow! The link to the blog Kwangi shared though. Bizarre! Who writes stuff like that?

^^
Impulse?
Defending? Culture?
Please don't project your predicament on me.

Who's defending culture you or me?
Its your thread, so you might wanna read it afresh.
Peace#

Radoillo: Wow! The link to the blog Kwangi shared though. Bizarre! Who writes stuff like that?

You now see where I'm coming from ba?
How does someone live with so much hatred in him?
Damn!
You see that nairaland e-tribal warriors are a joke compared to that guy!
Disseminating lies and hatred to the public and the future generation!

I know several Igbo/Yoruba related words such as Nti/Eti(Igbo/Yoruba for Ear), Onu/Enu(Igbo/Yoruba for mouth), Ogwu/Ogun(charm/drug), Ozugo/Otito(Its ok/enough), Egwugwu/Egungun(masquerade), Umu/Omo(Igbo/Yoruba plural word for children. Some Igbo dialects say 'Omu') etc.

Looking at the morphology of the words above, any well-versed linguist will discover that the Igbo forms are more heavier and complex in pronunciations and spellings while the Yoruba words are simpler and lighter in pronunciation, or a mild corruption of the Igbo words, which might lead us to conclude that the Igbo words may actually be the parent root words, if we decide to tow the line of easy assumptions.

How did you come to this conclusion? From what I can see of those words, they stay true to the Yoruba sound system, or are you saying Yoruba has a ""z" sound? I'd even go as far as saying those nasal vowels are harder. You can't argue for something, and then put words that are adapted to each langauge's sound system and call the pronouncation "simpler and lighter" when said sound does not exist in one of the languages. There has to be an obvious indicator, and in my honest opinion, I can't see any indication here of "mild curruption" on either side, not even a little bit. I know the "gw" sound is present in Proto-Yoruba, and perhaps some Yoruba dialects, while in others it has dissapeared, so how do you know the origin of these words?

In other words, I don't see anything special here to support such an assumption, unless you know that they were in fact borrowed?

kwangi: ^^
Impulse?
Defending? Culture?
Please don't project your predicament on me.

Who's defending culture you or me?
Its your thread, so you might wanna read it afresh.
Peace#

Kwangi,

Prexios has admitted his convinctions on this subject matter, nothing you say will convert him away from what he believes or thinks is true. However, in response to your feedback he agreed that he could have done better restraining the impulse to preach a sermon on how Yoruba is root to Igbo.

I have read all contributions here about the subject. Much as I respect prexios, I disagreed with him when he first expressed a desire on this issue and I urged him to open a thread. So maybe Im partly to blame for not giving wise consult. So I am asking you to please let this go and not turn this into a free for all confrontation. It will soon become that if you continue to stoke the embers.

Alright.

prexios:
Of course, it is wrong to deny history, it is like trying to kill a part of Yoruba history every time we rationalize or suppress this aspect of Yoruba history concerning the Igbos. the Igbos emanated from people that were settled across the eastern side of the Niger by the ancient Yoruba ancestors. Avoiding this aspect of history portend more danger than making it manifest. It is better told than hold.

Nobody needs to agree with it, but information like this are for record seekers, not for egocentric, online tribalism-peddlers anyway. Albeit, people have their way of interpretation - to the extent of their limits.

i think yoruba has some clearly defined limits, or boundaries so to speak, when it comes to certain matters.

ie there's almost always an antithesis for every context, group or word.

for example, beeni beeko, sort of similar to yin and yang, opposing dualities.

same principle applies to twins- that's why the yorubas say the first to come out, is the youngest of the two, and vice versa.

imo, igbo falls into this opposing duality, there's a boundary underlying the two which is not necessarily meant to be crossed save for occasional intermarriage and suchlike. This boundary is also observed by the other side in question.

its actually quite strange there doesnt seem to be a similar boundary with hausa (to the same extent and only seems to be pronounced mostly when it comes to marriage), this might be due to the effect of Islam perhaps, not sure. Or the pre-jihadic period maybe. Never mind the intermittent skirmishes between traders sometimes, and barring the boko haram menace in the north.

kwangi: How do you guys even sleep?
With the kind of hatred you peeps breed, man, I don't wish to descend to your level.


Just pay a visit to amor4ce's wordpress blog through his profile, then you know what this dude and his twin thinks of you and why he opens threads such as this.

Slimy things!
Check this out, from the above mentioned blog.
http://yemitom./tag/igbo/

I've been to that link once this year, earlier in the year around January and it is shocking to discover the amount of hatred one person will bear in mind against another tribe in this present age and time. Such a person of his type is the type that will sit down all day in the house browsing and making up crazy negative things to write about his 'enemy' tribe. His write-ups were full of loathsomeness and denigration. It is the same way anti-jewish hatred started gradually until one man could no longer contain it no more within himself that he resorted to physical extermination to perpetrate his hatred. Of course, we all know who that man is.

Hatred is a cankerworm that eats the heart of a man, and once it finds its way in, it slowly eats its way down to the bottom of the heart.

bigfrancis21:

I've been to that link once this year, earlier in the year around January and it is shocking to discover the amount of hatred one person will bear in mind against another tribe in this present age and time. Such a person of his type is the type that will sit down all day in the house browsing and making up crazy negative things to write about his 'enemy' tribe. His write-ups were full of loathsomeness and denigration. It is the same way anti-jewish hatred started gradually until one man could no longer contain it no more within himself that he resorted to physical extermination to perpetrate his hatred. Of course, we all know who that man is.

Hatred is a cankerworm that eats the heart of a man, and once it finds its way in, it slowly eats its way down to the bottom of the heart.

That blog is not a site one can visit twice.
After reading that page among other ones, all I could think was how the dude lives with himself with all that hate piled in him?
Damn! Bros see lies and hate inspired fantasies.

That Hitler stuff, true that!
I've actually read a coupla articles by a particular Man,a Prof,(a Nigerian based in London) advocating something of that nature.
Man, you could actually smell and feel it.

All that got me thinking, what wrong has the Igbo race done anybody?
Really man, somebody should enlighten me.

According to Equianoism (see Igbodefender.com) Eri Ben Gad the founder of the Igbo race named the race he formed with Nubian chieftains Heebo, after his original people, the Hebrews. If others called the Igbos by this name, it is because of ancient interactions between them and the Igbos, for example the Yorubas in the time of Moremi.

kwangi: That blog is not a site one can visit twice.
After reading that page among other ones, all I could think was how the dude lives with himself with all that hate piled in him?
Damn! Bros see lies and hate inspired fantasies.

That Hitler stuff, true that!
I've actually read a coupla articles by a particular Man,a Prof,(a Nigerian based in London) advocating something of that nature.
Man, you could actually smell and feel it.

All that got me thinking, what wrong has the Igbo race done anybody?

Really man, somebody should enlighten me.

If you are well familiar with anti-semitism and its history since the time of yore, then you'd better understand the Igbo situation.

.

.

@Radoillo...please can you help me edit out my post which you quoted in your post? I misinterpreted the meaning of 'ben' and just when I discovered the meaning and returned to modify it, you had already quoted the post. Please modify my post out of yours or better still completely edit the whole post to a full stop(.). I don't like breeding wrong information and wouldn't want mine to spread.

Thanks bro.

Done.

Radoillo: Done.

Thanks bro. Its the message I tried conveying to you via NL email.

Where in Igboland are you from, bro?

bigfrancis21:

Thanks bro. Its the message I tried conveying to you via NL email.

Where in Igboland are you from, bro?

Awka boy to the core. What about you?

Radoillo:

Awka boy to the core. What about you?

Awka-Etiti! Got a close friend from there. I bukwa nwanne m! Munwa bu onye Enugwu-ukwu.

bigfrancis21:

Awka-Etiti! Got a close friend from there. I bukwa nwanne m! Munwa bu onye Enugwu-ukwu.

LOL! O burokwa Awka-Etiti o! A bu m onye Awka kpomkwem! The state capital. Only about two towns seperate Awka from Enugu-Ukwu. I know lots of dudes from Enugwu-Ukwu.

bigfrancis21: I don't like breeding wrong information and wouldn't want mine to spread.

I feel this.

Radoillo:

LOL! O burokwa Awka-Etiti o! A bu m onye Awka kpomkwem! The state capital. Only about two towns seperate Awka from Enugu-Ukwu. I know lots of dudes from Enugwu-Ukwu.

@bold...+1 has been added.

Lolz. Yea. I mentioned Awka-etiti because that's where my friend's from. You guys have lots of great fine buildings there. Nice.

Nice to meet you, Rado.

kwangi: ^^
Impulse?
Defending? Culture?
Please don't project your predicament on me.

Who's defending culture you or me?
Its your thread, so you might wanna read it afresh.
Peace#

peace to you too, brother.

MetaPhysical:

Kwangi,

Prexios has admitted his convinctions on this subject matter, nothing you say will convert him away from what he believes or thinks is true. However, in response to your feedback he agreed that he could have done better restraining the impulse to preach a sermon on how Yoruba is root to Igbo.

I have read all contributions here about the subject. Much as I respect prexios, I disagreed with him when he first expressed a desire on this issue and I urged him to open a thread. So maybe Im partly to blame for not giving wise consult. So I am asking you to please let this go and not turn this into a free for all confrontation. It will soon become that if you continue to stoke the embers.

Thanks so much for coming to my rescue here, i have learn a lot frolicking with calm and enlighten minds as yours sir, and i really hold all your perceptions with high esteem, in spite of my regular outbursts. Now i have become calmer and as you can see, robbing minds with folks like you seems to be paying off, i am becoming like a philosopher, like you folks.

Back in time, 1726-1729, Voltaire stayed in London after stirring the hornet at France, it was a bad time and hatred against the french in England was gathering storm, on a particular day, Voltaire was apprehended by angry English mob and he was going to be lynched. The man saved his own skin by saying to the English folks, "wasn't I been really cursed enough being a Frenchman" the Britons got dispersed one after the other. Voltaire saved his own skin.

Today, all the league of Europe has found a way over their differences, thanks to the spread of enlightenment. But no one can actually undermine the place of classical Greek as to the birth of the enlightenment, and that happened as a result of the fall of Byzantium to the Ottoman empire and the dispersal of some of her scholars.

today, we may hold to some of those things that make us different, it may not matter in time to come to the people that were to come, but little contributions from our generation as deem fit by each individual will make a difference before the good time cometh. Again, Baba methaphisique, thank you.

tpia@:


i think yoruba has some clearly defined limits, or boundaries so to speak, when it comes to certain matters.

ie there's almost always an antithesis for every context, group or word.

for example, beeni beeko, sort of similar to yin and yang, opposing dualities.

same principle applies to twins- that's why the yorubas say the first to come out, is the youngest of the two, and vice versa.

imo, igbo falls into this opposing duality, there's a boundary underlying the two which is not necessarily meant to be crossed save for occasional intermarriage and suchlike. This boundary is also observed by the other side in question.

its actually quite strange there doesnt seem to be a similar boundary with hausa (to the same extent and only seems to be pronounced mostly when it comes to marriage), this might be due to the effect of Islam perhaps, not sure. Or the pre-jihadic period maybe. Never mind the intermittent skirmishes between traders sometimes, and barring the boko haram menace in the north.

I was thinking about you this afternoon really, i was wondering as its been a while now that you've shown your break-light. Hope all is well while you are on recess? I might be considering some "long sleep" for sometime just like amo4ce. He has been on self impose sabbatical. Whatever. that's a lite element anyway.

well i just believe that i may get there someday, to claim that all Nigerians have common ancestry, and that the ancestors beset us here in their exploration enterprise and for three thousand years of splendid isolation, we all evolve our different culture and language and we got to know each other at the coming of the slave merchants.

there is a puzzle that i usually wonder about, it is given in Yoruba, it says "awon Agbagba meta sun sinu ile kan fun ojo meta, lai foju kan ara won, kini o?" three elders slept in the same house for three days without seeing one another, what is it? you know how i often go far to fetch answers, i usually think it is the "Y" division of Nigeria that inspire that puzzle, sometimes, coincidence, mistakes, serendipity or stupidity can fetch you answers you never know exist.

the Yoruba answer to the puzzle is Asala, (chestnut) but the word chestnut is mnemonic, something used to save a historical word. Asala however mean "a flight of survival" another word for asala is Ausa. When that rhymes with Hausa, and i get to know, i lose sleep.

And i know my kind of delusion when it comes into it, i may start to spurn my wicked conclusions that may want to lump people with people they hated to be identified with. But truly, its not me that speaks, it is facts that speaks, or fact as speculated by me anyway. Sometime we just have to be courageous enough to put the "we against them" mentality somewhere and talk about what could be "Thesis and anti-thesis".

the world is not mine brother, i am just a passerby, Yoruba is no mine, not even my life, but sharing with like minds helps elicit the truth that may just become useful to folks that want a better world. You see, i am now becoming a philosopher like you.Arhgg! I have great respect for everyone.

^your analogy is reminiscent of "omode meta nsere".

still a very ambiguous song whichever way its viewed.

prexios:

Thanks so much for coming to my rescue here, i have learn a lot frolicking with calm and enlighten minds as yours sir, and i really hold all your perceptions with high esteem, in spite of my regular outbursts. Now i have become calmer and as you can see, robbing minds with folks like you seems to be paying off, i am becoming like a philosopher, like you folks.

Back in time, 1726-1729, Voltaire stayed in London after stirring the hornet at France, it was a bad time and hatred against the french in England was gathering storm, on a particular day, Voltaire was apprehended by angry English mob and he was going to be lynched. The man saved his own skin by saying to the English folks, "wasn't I been really cursed enough being a Frenchman" the Britons got dispersed one after the other. Voltaire saved his own skin.

Today, all the league of Europe has found a way over their differences, thanks to the spread of enlightenment. But no one can actually undermine the place of classical Greek as to the birth of the enlightenment, and that happened as a result of the fall of Byzantium to the Ottoman empire and the dispersal of some of her scholars.

today, we may hold to some of those things that make us different, it may not matter in time to come to the people that were to come, but little contributions from our generation as deem fit by each individual will make a difference before the good time cometh. Again, Baba methaphisique, thank you.

No problem my brother. Im young in physical age but very ancient in spirit and wisdom.

Read on the Yoruba archetypes and find yours, then assume attributes of its opposite and you will be fine with people generally. It works like magic!

tpia@:
^your analogy is reminiscent of "omode meta nsere".

still a very ambiguous song whichever way its viewed.

That's very true.

Our aspirations are always different in spite of the fact that we are
contemporaries, and there is the tendencies to sideline the other.

...i do not remember what each of the omodes wanted to do,
i think Tony Tetuilla the singer had remix the polemic.

MetaPhysical:

No problem my brother. Im young in physical age but very ancient in spirit and wisdom.

Read on the Yoruba archetypes and find yours, then assume attributes of its opposite and you will be fine with people generally. It works like magic!

the best proverb that described the scenario you managed is

"Ori okere koko lawo,
baa wi fomo eni[or eni awifun oba je o gbo] a gbo"

"A plate of squirrel head delicacy will make a stony meal,"
whoever is told, [may God] let him listen."

the Yoruba usually draw the proverb as hindsight for self willed individuals that insist on having their ways on anything, that some enterprise may sometimes backfire.

Radoillo: Wow! The link to the blog Kwangi shared though. Bizarre! Who writes stuff like that?

I had only looked at that link today for the first time, its very hateful. i never read that part of this blog and never knew he owned it, he had only shared a bit about it that i made comment on as to core Yoruba tradition, but i never know he was capable of such historical interpretations.

My apologies to all well-meaning IGBO brothers and sisters that may have read that blog.

Its hateful and insensitive.

I do not know why we must employ our traditions to do our 'hate-agenda' for us, its like bringing people into a war they were not conscious of. Amo4ce needed to be reprimanded if he claim ownership of such a destructive material, he is destroying the very things he loves. To me the Igbos are epitome of goodness and one of the most successful folks among the black race. meanwhile, its none of my problem how an Igbo person convey his feelings about Yoruba or whatever. i don't think for others.

I felt that amo4ce has problem with those he labelled Oyinbos, or Christians of which i may have encouraged him to purge himself of such hatred and not eschew it, lest he should have residual hate in him. i don't know why i should hold a contemporary white man responsible for slave trade. If i knew he was beefing with the Igbos, i would have scold him when we were sharing on my thread. what you have for your neighbour you have first for yourself.

Maybe he is preferring backlash or "collateral-damage" on the 'Anti-Yoruba threads' that populate nairaland. To be candid, i was embarrassed with that when i registered few months ago, but i know joining issue with such forces will bring avoidable distractions. how can you outperform a bully in his business? they represent the voiceless people who can not share their suppressed feeling elsewhere but in the dark anonymous sea of disgrace-oriented voices.

My watchword later guided me, "i don't expect anyone to be doing the right thing, but me" that is, if i felt this is how something should be done, then i have to do it and not wait around hoping it would be done. Also i have to appreciate few folks doing the right thing. i don't have to put myself in the same thread as someone enjoying his sport.

those people were giving what they were capable of over there, "We are better as the best-as long as they were the worst" i am not capable of such projections, someones "success" is not my problem, life is not all about "put your horrible affairs in everything". so i have to find or start a better idea around my area of interest.

Albeit, i am a twin brother of amo4ce, as someone had said, we met on my link. I believe he will change if he has better perspective on the tradition he seems to be struggling with, i believe he needs more friends than enemy, and we all do. The Igbo is not and never the enemy of the Yoruba vice versa, we are custodians of our grudges though, but the world does not spin from anyone's feelings.