alexleo: @Christemmbassy,

If someone has been born again and as time goes on he falls into the sin of fornication etc. do you mean that the person has not sinned? Because he is under grace?

christemmbassey: my brother take a look @ d story of d prodigal son, to his elder brother, he was a terrible sinner and deserved no mercy or welcome, but to their father, he never sined, that was why, as he rushed out to welcome d boy and d boy started convesions, d father did not even hear, his main concern was, "my boy was lost, but is now found, he was dead, but now lives, lets celebrate. Fortunately, for us christians, we have an elder brother who loves us (unlike the jealous law of Moses keeping elder brother of d prodigal son,) who d bible says "is nt ashame to call us brethren. Yes to you, he sin, but to God he never sined, bc "he can nt commit sin" 1jn 3:9, a christian is NOT 'a forgiven man' but 'a JUSTIFIED man'. He is innoscent, acquited, decleard, 'not guilty', why? Bc, every sin commited, d spirit activate a bill, grace paid up and is back dated to Calvary, IT LIKE SOME ONE DEPOSITED MONEY IN A SHOP AND GAVE A PERPETUAL STANDING ORDER, THAT ANY TIME U PICK SMTHING FROM THAT SHOP, D SHOP KEEPER SHOULD REMOVE FROM D CONTIGENCY FUND. should we indulge in sin bc of this? GOD FORBID BAD THING?. Now my bros, d man dat used to commit sin, died @ Calvary, d one dat lives now is Christ, Gal 2:20. CHRIST CAN NOT COMMIT SIN. He is holy and righteous. God bless u sir..

Mynd_44: I am aware of that doctrine from the church Christ Embassy. They also hinge it on the bible verse that says,
"If any man sins, we have an advocate with the father" which means a born again might sin but it is not counted for him as sin......I don't believe it though

aManFromMars:

Iirc, christemmbassey isn't a LoveWorld member.. it's the short form of his name:

Mynd_44:
Well it is a doctrine Christ Embassy uses. And displaying the full name of a use can get you banned

FOLYKAZE: Christians creating confusion for themselves everytime.

What happens to the doctrine of hell if there is grace?

Mynd_44:
It is said that once you are "Born again" your name is written in the book of live hence you are sure to make Heaven,

the doctrine of hell according to this "Doctrine" goes for only non born again people

HumbledbYGrace: Blue lie from the deep sea.

If you don't read your bible well you will miss out cz of this heresay teachers tryinna quote the bible to suit themselves.

Pygru: What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid.....

tobechi74: An E-convention was organised and a group of protestant preachers were selected. What else do you expect?

tobechi74: Am saying "no christian gathering without catholic presence"

it should have been named "protestant e-convention"

alexleo: @Christemmbassy,

If someone has been born again and as time goes on he falls into the sin of fornication etc. do you mean that the person has not sinned? Because he is under grace?

christemmbassey: my brother take a look @ d story of d prodigal son, to his elder brother, he was a terrible sinner and deserved no mercy or welcome, but to their father, he never sined, that was why, as he rushed out to welcome d boy and d boy started convesions, d father did not even hear, his main concern was, "my boy was lost, but is now found, he was dead, but now lives, lets celebrate. Fortunately, for us christians, we have an elder brother who loves us (unlike the jealous law of Moses keeping elder brother of d prodigal son,) who d bible says "is nt ashame to call us brethren. Yes to you, he sin, but to God he never sined, bc "he can nt commit sin" 1jn 3:9, a christian is NOT 'a forgiven man' but 'a JUSTIFIED man'. He is innoscent, acquited, decleard, 'not guilty', why? Bc, every sin commited, d spirit activate a bill, grace paid up and is back dated to Calvary, IT LIKE SOME ONE DEPOSITED MONEY IN A SHOP AND GAVE A PERPETUAL STANDING ORDER, THAT ANY TIME U PICK SMTHING FROM THAT SHOP, D SHOP KEEPER SHOULD REMOVE FROM D CONTIGENCY FUND. should we indulge in sin bc of this? GOD FORBID BAD THING?. Now my bros, d man dat used to commit sin, died @ Calvary, d one dat lives now is Christ, Gal 2:20. CHRIST CAN NOT COMMIT SIN. He is holy and righteous. God bless u sir..

Enigma: 1 John 1

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.


And John was writing to Christians.

Mynd_44: Epistles make my head ache jorh

Mynd_44: Epistles make my head ache jorh

Ajibam:

Lol... literature is just 1 sentence naw...
May the lord open your heart to make his words receptive to u

Mynd_44: Epistles make my head ache jorh

DrummaBoy:

So how else can you learn?

DrummaBoy: As one of the organizers of the E-Convention, what the OP erroneously called a heresy has been put in proper perspective below:

DrummaBoy:



My Position

I think that Enigma and Christembassey are on the same page here. The two have provided scripturally correct positions to the question asked by Alexleo. The question is (paraphrased) can a believer commit the sin of fornication? My answer is: is there a greater sin in Christendom today than the sin of fornication? We may say yes there are others; but in reality, practice and perspective of the average Christian, there is no greater sin than the sin of fornication. If you are in doubt ask COZA. LOLZ!

But my point in that answer is that there are greater sins than the sin of fornication. It was the late Pastor R B Thieme that coined the term "mental attitude sins", when he tried to describe Jesus discourse about defilement coming from within and not without; and how Christ said that beholding a woman in a manner is as bad as a sin of adultery. Women may not understand this, but there is no man on earth that doesn't know this kind of sin: Lust. When we realize that mental attitude sin is as bad as any overt sin, we must then resort to scripture to help us comprehend sin in its true nature and let the same scripture offer to us the solution Jesus came to provide for the all consuming problem of sin (Matthew 1:21).

I said all that only to prove the fact that Enigma and Christembassey are right. The bible and the grace that came with Jesus provided two solutions to sin; and it is the two position each of our teachers have provided above, albeit independently. There is a positional solution to sin, that causes God to impart Jesus' righteousness on all that believe such that sin or no sin, such a believer cannot sin! There is an outworking solution for sin also: so that the believer that sin, and sins as gravely as fornication or any mental attitude sin, causes the Spirit of God within him to be grieved, which should make a sensitive believer to be convicted of sin and leads him to ask God for forgiveness. It is for this that the scripture, 1 Jn 1:8,9, applies so adequately to.

In trying to blend the two positions of our teachers above, I wish that every Christian is not so concerned about sin or no sin; but rather with the grace that Jesus died for us to enjoy. Let sin, like the matter of praying against satan, be relegated to a background, where believers can privately meet God and settle scores with. If we should be concerned about sin at all, let us be concerned about our own sins: the log in our own eye! The danger with an overly concern with sin, especially the sins of others, is the tendency toward self righteousness and pride: a mental attitude sin that outweighs all of fornication and adultery combined together.

striktlymi:

Let me get this straight. You came to justify an obvious FALSE TEACHING because you are one of the organizers??

The ish with the prodigal son is only applicable to one who has forfeited all his bad deeds and made a decision to do right going forward.

If one claims to be born again but still continues in sin, the individual is no better than the next man who aint born again.

Any one who claims to be born again but continues in sin without repenting, does wrong and that wrong will ALWAYS be viewed as sinful in the eyes of God.

Mynd_44: Epistles make my head ache jorh

Ajibam:

Lol... literature is just 1 sentence naw...
May the lord open your heart to make his words receptive to u

Mynd_44:
I believe in not using 10 lines to explain what you can explain in 2lines.

It is a part of English called summary. Literature is a different ball game

bizmahn: Because most of them support these evils & don't count them as sin.Some even label those that preach against such as LEGALISTIC & others brand pastors that preach against such evils "CULT"

bizmahn: Warning:Many have derailed on this forum,don't get to be one.DON'T GIVE IN TO SUBTLE GOSPEL OF GRACE THAT"SUBTLY" PERMITS SIN,LOOSENESS & WORLDLINESS with hidden beliefs that"subtly" OFFER LICENCE TO SIN...Shallom.

Pygru:

striktlymi:

Let me get this straight. You came to justify an obvious FALSE TEACHING because you are one of the organizers??

The ish with the prodigal son is only applicable to one who has forfeited all his bad deeds and made a decision to do right going forward.

If one claims to be born again but still continues in sin, the individual is no better than the next man who aint born again.

Any one who claims to be born again but continues in sin without repenting, does wrong and that wrong will ALWAYS be viewed as sinful in the eyes of God.