pof600: This is not true. You would need an independent outlet to confirm this. The source of this information is a suspect and not credible. Prayers doesn't work, your god doesn't exist, and religion is for the low IQ minds like most here.

Independent scientists with 'high IQs' have confirmed many miracles.

You havent read that far, have you?

Ima_eyez: Hmmm, Boy gets Cancer for no apparent reason, Boy meets pope, while still receiving treatment, Boy gets cured. Yay! its a MIRACLE!! Wonder why God didn't use this opportunity to erase CANCER altogether. I bet if the boy had not been cured, like many others who have received prayers too and still died, we wouldn't have been told he ever met The Pope.

Many people meet popes publicly without being cured. It is not hidden.

scorpidmo: A miracle is simply an unexplainable phenomenon that supersedes an individual's level of rational thinking. A cave man who saw fire for d first time or a red Indian that saw a train for the first time, both believed they witnessing sth extraordinary so it had to be a miracle. When it was sth so simple and explainable. FYI I do believe strange ish happens but labelling every and anything a miracle is just damn right stupidity.

A miracle is an occurrence that defies the laws of nature through God's intervention.

E.g: the bodies of saints remaining without decomposition after centuries of their deaths.

litetias: I think you got it twisted and you're taking atheism for anarchism or anihilism. They seem to be different.

Atheists believe there is a meaning and reason for life?

Lets hear it then.

italo:

Independent scientists with 'high IQs' have confirmed many miracles.

You havent read that far, have you?

UFO's are miracles then.

italo:

Atheists believe there is a meaning and reason for life?

Lets hear it then.

To worship and glorify Satan.

italo:

Maybe. But I was actually addressing satan and no one else. I was neither trying to be polite nor rude.

ok, sir.

Alfa Seltzer:

To worship and glorify Satan.

Why dont you leave satan and follow God?

pope benedict xvi is a man inded nt even ordinary man bt a servant of God indeed

Ubenedictus: it seems you are totally ignorant of the facts. Joining the nazi youth movement isn't by choice but by force. Every german youth in that period joined. It wasn't a matter of choice. Th congregation for doctrine and faith isn't in charge of the inquisition pope puis made sure of that.

please present the decree that handed everything directly to ratzinger, mind you all papal decrees are online, simply present the decree and tell us how ratzinger didn't follow it.

not every one is pope johnpaul, from the begining of ratzingers palpacy he made it very clear that he would resign should his bodily strength fail. Your idea that pope don't resign is immediately contradicted by your admission that it happens. Pope st celestine resign simply because he consider himself unskilled in worldly matters.

this is a conspiracy theory and it shows you are totally ignorant of the history of the catholic church. Ignorance is a disease even the bible says 'study to show yourself approve!

I think you're the ignorant one here. You don't know a damn thing about your faith. First read up on the Catholic Church & slavery,then follow it up with the Spanish inquisition,and then the catholic church and the Sicilian mafia,the catholic church and the dark ages,and also the catholic church & paedophilia. I can go on and on. There's nothing worthy of emulation from you lots. Your reputation reeks to the high heavens. And please don't bring in that Jewish book of fables into the argument or your argument will be taken to pieces

cold:
I think you're the ignorant one here. You don't know a damn thing about your faith. First read up on the Catholic Church & slavery,then follow it up with the Spanish inquisition,and then the catholic church and the Sicilian mafia,the catholic church and the dark ages,and also the catholic church & paedophilia. I can go on and on. There's nothing worthy of emulation from you lots. Your reputation reeks to the high heavens. And please don't bring in that Jewish book of fables into the argument or your argument will be taken to pieces

What sources are you reading from?

Enemies of the Church, I'm sure.

For only an enemy will dubiously exaggerate the bad things we have done, lie that we did things we didnt do and refuse to acknowledge that we are the largest providers of charity in the world. No one else comes close.

What have you done for the good of the world?

italo:

Why dont you leave satan and follow God?

Because I abhor evil.

Alfa Seltzer:

Because I abhor evil.

Why do you abhor evil?

italo:

What sources are you reading from?

Enemies of the Church, I'm sure.

For only an enemy will dubiously exaggerate the bad things we have done, lie that we did things we didnt do and refuse to acknowledge that we are the largest providers of charity in the world. No one else comes close.

What have you done for the good of the world?

I don't need to discuss the good things i have done & still do lest i be accused of hubris. There's no exaggerations of the evils of the catholic church. The vatican has had a hand in every devious dealing in the past 5 centuries. Only a m0ron would pretend not to know. About having the largest charity,how does that take away from the heinous activities of the catholic church? Is that supposed to hush us up?

italo:

Independent scientists with 'high IQs' have confirmed many miracles.

You havent read that far, have you?

Many miracles? Can you cite one with credible source? Go ahead, provide the proof or shut up, you low IQ gullible religious clod!

italo:

Why do you abhor evil?

Because I'm a higher IQ human.

Thank u Lord 4 this miracle...Long live the Bishop of Rome..Long live the Catholic faith!

cold:
I don't need to discuss the good things i have done & still do lest i be accused of hubris. There's no exaggerations of the evils of the catholic church. The vatican has had a hand in every devious dealing in the past 5 centuries. Only a m0ron would pretend not to know. About having the largest charity,how does that take away from the heinous activities of the catholic church? Is that supposed to hush us up?

More lies and exaggeration.

About having the largest number and scale of charities...

I thought you said there is nothing to emulate from us. Helping the needy is nothing to emulate?

If you think doing good is nothing. On what grounds do you condemn doing evil?

What kind of human being only seeks to condemn evil and ignore good.

Alfa Seltzer:

Because I'm a higher IQ human.

Why arent you behaving like it?

It really baffles me how my fellow nairalanders who call themselves xtians talk with soo much hate and disdain about Catholicism..It really goes a long way to show me that they aren't true xtians..I just wonder if this is pure Hate or Jealousy of the Catholic faith...Plssss..i beg u guys..Let us be..plss.

Wendyphil: It really baffles me how my fellow nairalanders who call themselves xtians talk with soo much hate and disdain about Catholicism..It really goes a long way to show me that they aren't true xtians..I just wonder if this is pure Hate or Jealousy of the Catholic faith...Plssss..i beg u guys..Let us be..plss.

tell dem

italo:

Why arent you behaving like it?

Because I'm a higher IQ human.
(Playing the fool)

plaetton:

Me satan?
My feelings are ambivalent towards that remark.
In one hand, I resent that derogatory remark.
On the other hand, I hold it as a badge of honor, coming from an apostle of a discrepit institution of fraud and exploitation.

What is a miracle, and of what use is it if it only happens in the catholic church?.

In the real world, miracles happen everyday.
I have read of surgeries done on developing foetuses to correct potential birth defects.
Have you heard of the new 3D-printing technology and the use of that technology to synthesize body organs?
That is the type of miracle that the entire humanity can see, feel be effected by.
Not childish nonsense that emanate from church pulpits, that only serve to checkmake the latent doubts about religious faith.

so am usually not some one to comment on religion but i really need to chip in some thing here, technology can be explained....miracles CANT!!.. i think the other guy calling you satan is really harsh...

papie123:
so am usually not some one to comment on religion but i really need to chip in some thing here, technology can be explained....miracles CANT!!.. i think the other guy calling you satan is really harsh...

I guess we didn't miss much.

pof600:

Many miracles? Can you cite one with credible source? Go ahead, provide the proof or shut up, you low IQ gullible religious clod!

The properties of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the tilma of St Juan Diego.

http://incorruptibles.info/guadalupe.html

12 points are listed at the above site. The one about the eyes is particularly notable:

Quote:
#5 A number of opthamologists have studied the eyes of the image. The first such study was undertaken by five opthamologists in 1956, two of them non-believers. The astounding result confirmed by all of them was that, when looking through an opthalmoscope, it was exactly the same as looking at an ordinary human eye of a living person. The same results have occurred every time that the eyes have been examined by experts since that time. It was also noted that the eyelids show normal microscopic veins.

# 6 According to Dr Jose Aste Tonsmann, an expert in digital imaging, minute human figures can be detected in the pupils of the eyes on the image.

# 7 Opthalmic studies have also detected that, when the eye on the tilma is exposed to light, the retina contracts, When the light it removed the retina dilates again. This is the reaction of a normal eye.

italo:

The properties of the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the tilma of St Juan Diego.

http://incorruptibles.info/guadalupe.html

12 points are listed at the above site. The one about the eyes is particularly notable:

Quote:
#5 A number of opthamologists have studied the eyes of the image. The first such study was undertaken by five opthamologists in 1956, two of them non-believers. The astounding result confirmed by all of them was that, when looking through an opthalmoscope, it was exactly the same as looking at an ordinary human eye of a living person. The same results have occurred every time that the eyes have been examined by experts since that time. It was also noted that the eyelids show normal microscopic veins.

# 6 According to Dr Jose Aste Tonsmann, an expert in digital imaging, minute human figures can be detected in the pupils of the eyes on the image.

# 7 Opthalmic studies have also detected that, when the eye on the tilma is exposed to light, the retina contracts, When the light it removed the retina dilates again. This is the reaction of a normal eye.

You are gullible than I thought. You actually believe that nonsense? You call the evidence? What is your IQ, 34?

pof600:

You are gullible than I thought. You actually believe that nonsense? You call the evidence? What is your IQ, 34?

You give him too much credit. You are very kind.

pof600:

You are gullible than I thought. You actually believe that nonsense? You call the evidence? What is your IQ, 34?

Read about the 800 year old incorrupt body of St Zita.

pof600:

You are gullible than I thought. You actually believe that nonsense? You call the evidence? What is your IQ, 34?

So now the testimony of scientists is no longer acceptable as evidence?

What then is evidence?

Alfa Seltzer:

You give him too much credit. You are very kind.

Acting the fool still...

italo:

Read about the 800 year old incorrupt body of St Zita.

Luckily for us, Egyptian pharaohs were not catholics or we would have had a shitload of Arabic saints to add to the white ones currently plaguing our villages.