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Re: . by quivah(f): 3:50pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Ray McBlue:awww! Never knew sha...thanks |
Re: . by Nobody: 3:51pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:Do you have an absolute sense of morality? That is, are you limited in your knowledge of what is good and evil, or you possess the absolute knowledge of both? |
Re: . by Nobody: 3:52pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:Ad hominem. Don't listen to him. You can confirm yourself. |
Re: . by quivah(f): 4:01pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Reyginus: Do you have an absolute sense of morality? That is, are you limited in your knowledge of what is good and evil, or you possess the absolute knowledge of both?lol Its the latter dear... Leaving religion outta this. Yeah!! The absolute knowledge of both. Tho,its depends on your definition of evil... Reyginus: Ad hominem. Don't listen to him. You can confirm yourself. |
Re: . by Mintayo(m): 4:08pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:sweet lady,all the above is not true,they are your own interpretation,which are not true! Will be back. |
Re: . by quivah(f): 4:36pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Mintayo:if they are not true... then its a.more chance prove to your bible is nothing but babbles !!. Cause all these are in your bible? Not my interpretation. |
Re: . by Nobody: 4:42pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah: i gorrit, replied you already.. |
Re: . by cold(m): 7:17pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
God has got to be vilest of creatures ever in recorded history. With a god like the christian god,who need the devil |
Re: . by Hemical: 7:27pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
QUIVAH, KEEVAH, QUIVAH |
Re: . by Nobody: 7:47pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:Good for you. That implies that you can see beyond the present into the future. That you not only know the value of a good but also the value its effect will have in the long run. Do you claim this to be true, coupled with your absolute knowledge of the morality of all? |
Re: . by Mintayo(m): 7:55pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah: i didnt say they are not in the Bible,even though you have added yours! And like i said you gave them wrong interpretations. And have you asked why it is so? |
Re: . by cold(m): 8:13pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Is this debate even necassary? Who created evil? Let me guess..a loving god. For this god the lines between good & evil,morality & immorality are blurred they're totally non-existent
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Re: . by quivah(f): 8:46pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Nolongthing1:alright,will holla Reyginus: Good for you. That implies that you can see beyond the present into the future. That you not only know the value of a good but also the value its effect will have in the long run.what exactly are you trying to say? Anyways,yes cold: Is this debate even necassary? Who created evil? Let me guess..a loving god. For this god the lines between good & evil,morality & immorality are blurred they're totally non-existentgbammm! My brother *chop knuckle* Mintayo: Mintayo:choi!!! You sabi argue.. Ok,just prove them wrong and why was it so? Hemical: QUIVAH, KEEVAH, QUIVAH[color=#006600] Hemical Hemikal Hemical |
Re: . by quivah(f): 8:47pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Nolongthing1:alright,will holla Reyginus: Good for you. That implies that you can see beyond the present into the future. That you not only know the value of a good but also the value its effect will have in the long run.what exactly are you trying to say? Anyways,yes cold: Is this debate even necassary? Who created evil? Let me guess..a loving god. For this god the lines between good & evil,morality & immorality are blurred they're totally non-existentgbammm! My brother *chop knuckle* Mintayo: Mintayo:choi!!! You sabi argue.. Ok,just prove them wrong and why was it so? Hemical: QUIVAH, KEEVAH, QUIVAH[color=#006600] Hemical Hemikal Hemical |
Re: . by Hemical: 8:51pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:read your diary, loved it! Read your views on religion and other things, loved it too. I'm having an atheistic crush on you. Lool. I just want you to tone down though. The mere fact that a religious person is engaging an atheist is a bragging right to the religious person. Did I say atheist? Pardon me, you claimed agnosticism.... |
Re: . by Nobody: 8:51pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
quivah:Mehn! This your reply is so mixed up. Surely this also means you must know every mechanism operational in existence. Because you cannot claim to know the morality of every existent thing if you don't know how they function. Do you know how every thing in existence operate? |
Re: . by quivah(f): 9:23pm On Sep 14, 2013 |
Hemical: read your diary, loved it! Read your views on religion and other things, loved it too. I'm having an atheistic crush on you. Lool. I just want you to tone down though. The mere fact that a religious person is engaging an atheist is a bragging right to the religious person. Did I say atheist? Pardon me, you claimed agnosticism....muah!! Sure.. and thank Reyginus: Mehn! This your reply is so mixed up. Surely this also means you must know every mechanism operational in existence. Because you cannot claim to know the morality of every existent thing if you don't know how they function.no don't get it mixed up.. quivah:^^that was my reply to your prev question. #sighs...please no Con kill me with questions. Where exactly are you heading?.. I don't seem to see how all these questions tally with the topic |
Re: . by Nobody: 8:04am On Sep 15, 2013 |
quivah:Okay. Let me come home now. I would have loved it if you had answered the last question for it will tell a lot as we progress in the argument. You claimed to have the knowledge of every thing that is good and evil. That you can without mistake, nor ignorance, tell when anything is morally right or wrong. This is a very telling claim because you and I know it is not true. A typical reason is that you do not know the operational mechanisms of every thing in existence. You don't even know every thing in existence. What this suggests is that contrary to your claim of absolute knowlegde of all there is, you are highly limited in understanding, neither do you know every existent thing nor their operational mechanisms. In your op, it was obvious that you are not doubting the power of God but how He uses it. And don't even try to object this. The reason is, you must have accepted within yourself that He is capable of inflicting the evil you wrote He did. That being the case, you must also, that is, before your op makes sense and clean from selective jugdement, have accepted the other qualities He exhibited in the same bible you are using to nail Him. If you want to be fair and logical, this should be unarguable. Among the qualities He possessed as proclaimed by the bible you are using to nail him is the all-knowing attribute. He knows everything. Still remember that for your argument to make sense you must merge every qualities of His as recorded by the bible with it. They must dovetail if I am even going to consider your argument logical. The implication of being all-knowing is that: the entity cannot make mistakes, so we do not have the capacity, the sufficient knowledge to correct Him once we perceive he is guilty of a wrongdoing. Our perception is even wrong in the first place because in addition to being all-knowing He is also all-loving. An all-loving being cannot do any act that is contrary. So when God destroys a race for a wrong done, it is usually for a greater goodness which we, because of our limited understanding cannot understand. That is the only way you can have it. Once you want to use the bible as a point of argument, you must acknowlegde the qualities of the entity the bible under investigation. 1 Like |
Re: . by quivah(f): 8:56am On Sep 15, 2013 |
^^^^ i'm very brilliant..in class...everybody knows that! Till one day I was caught with an expo is an exam hall--- with all my knowing abilities,i can never cheat but oh yeah i did!! .... like granting goodluck a bail after destroying a whole town cause hes the presdo.. We are humans,there is no operational mechanism involved between good and evil.. I know every living thing in existence except yet-to-be evolved creatures..but dear,here only humans tell!..its good vs evil. If I do good I know,if I do evil I know!!.. you know..what operational mechanism. Even for a loving god?! So all he did up there are good cause hes all knowing? Why then are you peeps attacking boko Haram,ain't they doing your god's works?! Lol... i'm not doubting his powers alone i'm doubting his existence.. But how he uses it?.. I wrote out whats written in the bible, there is no reason whatsoever on how he used his power than to kill and destroy those who don't worship him.. What good has he done in the bible? I don't know!.. I laugh at your "his been all knowing can't make him make mistakes" no1 said he made mistakes cause he dint!!... he destroyed alotta generations...all because they don't worship him.. The only mistake i'd say he made was planting that tree,making humans suffer for his stupidity!!... All in all brother, his powers,his being,his qualities are not real!... Now,god has operational mechanism between good and evil..I laff! Because hes all knowing we can't perceive if he is guilty ?!! Ahhh ahhh!! All loving?? You must be just like him! And your write up is just like your holy bible. Would have quoted each of your points but i'm already late for church .. I hope he won't strike me down cause hes all knowing,all loving and all evil. And btw, that i'm using the bible against him doesn't mean I accept hes real . I read spider man comics doesnt mean hes real |
Re: . by Nobody: 9:09am On Sep 15, 2013 |
quivah: ^^^^Lol. Lady, what is your point now? Let's do it gentle. Do you accept that everything in the bible is true? |
Re: . by quivah(f): 2:27pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
Reyginus: Lol. Lady, what is your point now?true as in? All the characters are real? No!! I Believe Its fiction ... |
Re: . by Mintayo(m): 2:59pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
quivah: ^^ lolz@fiction. How was your day? |
Re: . by Nobody: 3:07pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
quivah:Lol. If you really believe it is fiction, how sensible do you think questioning the position of a character in it is? How can one say a thing is fiction, yet treat the thing as if it were real? I don't know how to appreciate this two. |
Re: . by quivah(f): 3:48pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
Reyginus: Lol. If you really believe it is fiction, how sensible do you think questioning the position of a character in it is?please don't get it all wrong. The op was just to show whats written in the bible.. Not to prove god being real or not..the op was actually diverted there.. Here; then, I do read spiderman comics and treat him as if hes real!..was hr actually real?!.. I watch cartoons and play their pranks,were they real?! Op isn't about god,it about whats written down about him.. I can write alot down about something unreal while others read it treat it as real...or as unreal as it is.. I assumed he is just to prove my point!! Mintayo:I lie?.. That book na all season book..go there to pick what you need; romance,quotes,parables,blah blah The few hours have spent were fresh yours? |
Re: . by Nobody: 3:53pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
quivah:You still don't get it. Why would you pick up a flaw you find in your spiderman and treat it like it is so real? I think if you think anything is not real the least you will do is to wander into an inquiry of it. Is that not so? |
Re: . by quivah(f): 3:57pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
Reyginus: You still don't get it. Why would you pick up a flaw you find in your spiderman and treat it like it is so real? I think if you think anything is not real the least you will do is to wander into an inquiry of it. Is that not so?hello?! Ok..you win-- is that what you wanna hear?! |
Re: . by Nobody: 4:07pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
quivah:Lol. It is not about winning but understanding an argument before we make it. |
Re: . by Mintayo(m): 4:38pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
[quote author=quivah] I lie?..lols. My lady,if i am going to answer the above truthfully,i will tell you that you lie. The Bible says you lie. Jesus says you lie. History says you lie... That book na all season book..go there to pick what you need; romance,quotes,parables,blah blahindeed,it is for all season... these are what make it unique...all aspect of life . Mine was gbasky! |
Re: . by haibe(m): 11:46pm On Sep 15, 2013 |
@op there is a consequence for every sinful action and so that's why God permitted those things, in order words its more judgemental in that case, punishment for the sins of those people in canaan, that's why he told joshua to do those things, it isn't murder(unlawful killing) because God who made the law commands it as a judgement for their sins and so is not an unlawful killing(murder).. Take for example, it is a crime(sin, offence) to kill someone in nigeria, so if that person kills, the judgement would be for him to be killed too(in this case its not an offence, sin, but a judgement), in order words the killing of a murderer is not unlawful. The issue of abraham marrying his sister wasn't wrong at that time, inbreeding became wrong after the law of moses came and this was perhaps centuries after abraham lived, so God condemned inbreeding later not during abraham's time. This should adress your issues. |
Re: . by GeneralShepherd(m): 2:21am On Sep 16, 2013 |
@quivah from your posts I know you are a very intelligent young lady in search of knowledge and truth about God existing or otherwise his non existence,at this point I must admit I am on that same journey. I only wish to implore you,to really search inside and be sure you are not being this aggressive against Christianity because of some disappointments in life. Whether I am a christian or not? Answer is right now i dont know,I am still sojourning,searching and trying to reach a conclusion that will give me peace and satisfaction. Logicboy used to be this caustic and aggressive but right now even though he is still an atheist,he is very much less aggresive |
Re: . by GeneralShepherd(m): 2:23am On Sep 16, 2013 |
haibe: @op there is a consequence for every sinful action and so that's why God permitted those things, in order words its more judgemental in that case, punishment for the sins of those people in canaan, that's why he told joshua to do those things, it isn't murder(unlawful killing) because God who made the law commands it as a judgement for their sins and so is not an unlawful killing(murder).. oga mi...honestly you cannot defend the bible logically many better than you have tried to no avail. |
Re: . by GeneralShepherd(m): 2:25am On Sep 16, 2013 |
Reyginus: Lol. If you really believe it is fiction, how sensible do you think questioning the position of a character in it is? exactly my point if one is so sure that God doesnt exist why not ignore Him and his followers? Right now I'm just ignoring God and prayers. To be honest most times I just wish that God will really reveal himself. |
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