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Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 6:40am On Sep 20, 2013
Francis calls to end 'obsession' with doctrine in interview on the church' s stance on
homosexuality , abortion and women.
Pope Francis has said the Catholic church must shake off an obsession with teachings on
abortion , contraception and homosexuality and become more merciful or risk the collapse of its
entire moral edifice " like a house of cards" .
Signalling a dramatic shift in Vatican tone , Francis said in an interview with an Italian Jesuit
journal , published on Thursday , that the church had " locked itself up in small things, in small -
minded rules " and should not be so prone to condemn.
Its priests should be more welcoming and not cold, dogmatic bureaucrats . The confessional , he
said , " is not a torture chamber but the place in which the Lord 's mercy motivates us to do
better " .
His comments were welcomed by liberal Catholics ; but theology commentators said they were
likely to be viewed with concern by conservatives who have already expressed concern over
Francis' failure to address publicly the issues stressed by his predecessor , Benedict.
Francis, the first non - European pope in 1 , 300 years, the first from Latin America and the first
Jesuit pope, did not hold out the prospect of any changes soon to such moral teachings .
It is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person .
Pope Francis on the Church's stance on homosexuality
But , in the 12 , 000 - word interview with Civilta Cattolica , he said the church must find a new
balance between upholding rules and demonstrating mercy.
The pope told the magazine he envisioned a greater role for women in the 1 . 2 bn - member
church but suggested it would not include a change in the current ban on a female priesthood.
In a remarkable change from his predecessor Benedict , who said homosexuality was an intrinsic
disorder, Francis said that when homosexuals told him they were always condemned by the
church and felt " socially wounded " , he told them " the church does not want to do this" .
He re - stated his comments first made on a plane returning from a visit to Brazil in July that he
was not in a position to judge homosexuals who are of good will and in search of God .
" Religion has the right to express its opinion in the service of the people, but God in creation has
set us free , " Francis said .
" It is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person . "
American Jesuit and author of several books on the Vatican, John Gehring , said Francis was
" rescuing the church from those who think that condemning gay people and opposing
contraception define what it means to be a real Catholic .
" It 's a remarkable and refreshing change, " Gehring said .
Abortion repremand
However, Francis alluded to criticism of him within the conservative Catholic establishment.
" We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion , gay marriage and the use of contraceptive
methods. This is not possible ." he said .
" I have not spoken much about these things , and I was reprimanded for that ."
Last week, US Bishop Thomas J . Tobin of Providence, Rhode Island , spoke for many conservative
Catholics when he said he was disappointed that the pope had not addressed " the evil of
abortion " more directly to encourage anti- abortion activists.
US bishops were also behind Benedict's crackdown on American nuns, who were accused of
letting doctrine take a backseat to their social justice work caring for the poor - a priority that
Francis is endorsing.
The pope said the church's pastoral ministry could not be obsessed with the transmission of a
disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently .
" We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall
like a house of cards ," he said .
However, the comments contained no change in church teaching, and the pope said reform
should not happen quickly .
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by 247notire(m): 7:05am On Sep 20, 2013
All hail d pope. Be vry careful too because d vatican may want u to go d way of Johnpaul d 1st. Beware of murderers.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by jpilata(m): 7:15am On Sep 20, 2013
This pope is reforming the church to destruction...why...he is going to the wrong direction
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 7:35am On Sep 20, 2013
Can somebody tell this coy of a pope 2 keep shut! This sponsored pope is straying off-lane by the minute. Mr pope, who told u that, in order to keep the house of God 2gether, u must bend Godly rules and house every anti-GOD norms? Now i knw why pope benedict resigned.
Pope francis, stay with God and his doctrine, and u'l b majority; u dont need to bend Godly laws simply becos u want d world/people(majority) to b on ur side.
Anything negetive, is negetive...and so is gay/homosexual, abortion, contraception etc; no compromise!
Waiting for my african brothers, especially nigerians, to break out of this already fallen edifice this controversial pope is pulling down.
#team pope john paul(fafa roma in hausa) and pope benedict

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Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by tobechi20(m): 7:43am On Sep 20, 2013
I fear this pope
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 7:51am On Sep 20, 2013
247notire: All hail d pope. Be vry careful too because d vatican may want u to go d way of Johnpaul d 1st. Beware of murderers.
and u think he's not being submissive 2 avoid being shot in d head? He's acting according 2 d dictate of the vetican. We all knw how many attacks j. Paul survived simply becos of his stance on some issues. So, if u wanna stay wth God, stay wth him and not becos of what he gives or takes.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 8:01am On Sep 20, 2013
tobechi20: I fear this pope
hahahahaha...*falls gej's hat*
he's not a stunch-like pope...too bad.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Symphony007: 8:40am On Sep 20, 2013
Pope francis, keep iberalising the church and face the tearing apart of the church just like anglicans are torn between africa and western. And mind you, the college of carinals and emeritus pope benedict won'nt stand by and watch this. What has'nt happened in the vatican for centuries will play out.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 8:54am On Sep 20, 2013
Symphony007: Pope francis, keep iberalising the church and face the tearing apart of the church just like anglicans are torn between africa and western. And mind you, the college of carinals and emeritus pope benedict won'nt stand by and watch this. What has'nt happened in the vatican for centuries will play out.

A sort of impeachment
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 8:55am On Sep 20, 2013
caseless: and u think he's not being submissive 2 avoid being shot in d head? He's acting according 2 d dictate of the vetican. We all knw how many attacks j. Paul survived simply becos of his stance on some issues. So, if u wanna stay wth God, stay wth him and not becos of what he gives or takes.

Are you saying the whole vatican is in support of this sudden wholesale changes to the doctrines of the Roman Catholics which has been there for cenutries?
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 9:33am On Sep 20, 2013
reganvida:

Are you saying the whole vatican is in support of this sudden wholesale changes to the doctrines of the Roman Catholics which has been there for cenutries?
it appear so; how come no one has risen up 2 challenge his adulteration of doctrine?
Dz controversy popping pope seems to b enjoying some in-house support 2 do what he's doing. Can u defend d vetican that watched arinze being shortchanged when we thought a nigerian was gonna attain tha highest position there?
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 9:56am On Sep 20, 2013
caseless: it appear so; how come no one has risen up 2 challenge his adulteration of doctrine?
Dz controversy popping pope seems to b enjoying some in-house support 2 do what he's doing. Can u defend d vetican that watched arinze being shortchanged when we thought a nigerian was gonna attain tha highest position there?

For now,the Pope is just expressing his views.Non of what he said has been passed into law in the vatican so i guess it will be quite early to question the absence of opposition in the vatican.Coming to the issue of Cardinal Arinze,its no secret that the vatican elections is one of the most secretive elections on earth. We will never know if he was really cheated in d election or not.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 9:59am On Sep 20, 2013
caseless: it appear so; how come no one has risen up 2 challenge his adulteration of doctrine?
Dz controversy popping pope seems to b enjoying some in-house support 2 do what he's doing. Can u defend d vetican that watched arinze being shortchanged when we thought a nigerian was gonna attain tha highest position there?
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Symphony007: 10:26am On Sep 20, 2013
caseless: it appear so; how come no one has risen up 2 challenge his adulteration of doctrine?
Dz controversy popping pope seems to b enjoying some in-house support 2 do what he's doing. Can u defend d vetican that watched arinze being shortchanged when we thought a nigerian was gonna attain tha highest position there?
nobody has challenged pope francis because he has not implemented any of his utterances. When he tries to implement his radical changes, then the cracks in the church will become visible. By the way, when asked about pope francis performance in office so far, the catholic archbishop of boston, a cardinal, replied "disappionting". Watch out for part 2.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 10:30am On Sep 20, 2013
Symphony007: nobody has challenged pope francis because he has not implemented any of his utterances. When he tries to implement his radical changes, then the cracks in the church will become visible. By the way, when asked about pope francis performance in office so far, the catholic archbishop of boston, a cardinal, replied "disappionting". Watch out for part 2.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 10:32am On Sep 20, 2013
Symphony007: nobody has challenged pope francis because he has not implemented any of his utterances. When he tries to implement his radical changes, then the cracks in the church will become visible. By the way, when asked about pope francis performance in office so far, the catholic archbishop of boston, a cardinal, replied "disappionting". Watch out for part 2.

Thats what am trying to say. When all these changes his advocating is brought before the vatican for consideration,it is then we will find out if there is opposition or not.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Ubenedictus(m): 10:40am On Sep 20, 2013
actually all he has said so far hasn't contradicted any teaching of the catholic church. He is totally in line with catholic teaching, all this judging just makes you guys seem like amatures in catholic dogma
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Symphony007: 10:51am On Sep 20, 2013
Ubenedictus: actually all he has said so far hasn't contradicted any teaching of the catholic church. He is totally in line with catholic teaching, all this judging just makes you guys seem like amatures in catholic dogma
he called speaking out against abortion by the church as "small minded"....mr catholic dogma luminary, so abortion is now in line with catholic principles?
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Symphony007: 10:52am On Sep 20, 2013
Francis is symbolically humble, but theoritically dictatorial and radical.....benedict was symbolically opulent but theoritically humble and politically neutral.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by wiegraf: 10:53am On Sep 20, 2013
Hello there african man. Under the illusion the pope is losing sleep over what you think? It seems to me he's come to the realization he needs to dissociate himself from you clowns in order to save his church.

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Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Ubenedictus(m): 11:23am On Sep 20, 2013
Symphony007: he called speaking out against abortion by the church as "small minded"....mr catholic dogma luminary, so abortion is now in line with catholic principles?
please quote the whole response
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Symphony007: 12:11pm On Sep 20, 2013
Ubenedictus: please quote the whole response
you don't answer a question with a question.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Syncan(m): 12:12pm On Sep 20, 2013
I actually agree with the Pope. He said the most important teaching of the church is " Jesus has saved you". This is what the church was commisioned to do, this is what the church ( in following the dictates of the media) is almost forgetting to do. What converts is grace and not discipline. Discipline can only aid in the guarding of inherent grace, hence we should focus on gaining the grace more, while not forgetting discipline. One has to read the full text to understand his teaching. I have come to realise that selected portions are often taken out of his speech as stand alone, hence distorting his message and insinuating new meanings. He is bold, his views may not be entirely refined as yet, but he is waking up theologians from their slumber surely, for they are becoming more like the pharisees and mosaic laws. Zeal for his flock is driving the shepherd to take controlled risks. Its a call for catholics to read the CCC and witness the beauty that lies there in.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 1:28pm On Sep 20, 2013
reganvida:

For now,the Pope is just expressing his views.Non of what he said has been passed into law in the vatican so i guess it will be quite early to question the absence of opposition in the vatican.Coming to the issue of Cardinal Arinze,its no secret that the vatican elections is one of the most secretive elections on earth. We will never know if he was really cheated in d election or not.
expressing his views? Yea..he's free 2 d this, but we must not 4get d consequences and ripple effect dz is gonna have on the church and adherents. They need somebody 2 kickstart it, then somebody could come in d future and implement it and reference wl b made 2 pope francis and his crass ideas.
On arinze, have u asked urself why d selection mostly favour europeans? Then that tels u that there is nothing special about d selection if it favor one particular region.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 1:29pm On Sep 20, 2013
Syncan: I actually agree with the Pope. He said the most important teaching of the church is " Jesus has saved you". This is what the church was commisioned to do, this is what the church ( in following the dictates of the media) is almost forgetting to do. What converts is grace and not discipline. Discipline can only aid in the guarding of inherent grace, hence we should focus on gaining the grace more, while not forgetting discipline. One has to read the full text to understand his teaching. I have come to realise that selected portions are often taken out of his speech as stand alone, hence distorting his message and insinuating new meanings. He is bold, his views may not be entirely refined as yet, but he is waking up theologians from their slumber surely, for they are becoming more like the pharisees and mosaic laws. Zeal for his flock is driving the shepherd to take controlled risks. Its a call for catholics to read the CCC and witness the beauty that lies there in.

I think you have a point there.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 1:42pm On Sep 20, 2013
Symphony007: nobody has challenged pope francis because he has not implemented any of his utterances. When he tries to implement his radical changes, then the cracks in the church will become visible. By the way, when asked about pope francis performance in office so far, the catholic archbishop of boston, a cardinal, replied "disappionting". Watch out for part 2.
those pushing 2 win people back 2 catholic fold by adulterating d doctrine, jst needed dz pope 2 kickstart on this note , then somebody can implement it in d future. The man is achieving his aim, i guess dz is why he was picked.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 1:45pm On Sep 20, 2013
caseless: expressing his views? Yea..he's free 2 d this, but we must not 4get d consequences and ripple effect dz is gonna have on the church and adherents. They need somebody 2 kickstart it, then somebody could come in d future and implement it and reference wl b made 2 pope francis and his crass ideas.
On arinze, have u asked urself why d selection mostly favour europeans? Then that tels u that there is nothing special about d selection if it favor one particular region.

Wow!! You mean the views of Pope Francis is part of a bigger picture? Sort of a conspiracy to effect radical changes in the Catholic church? Well time will prove you either right or wrong. As regards to Cardinal Arinze and the European favoritism,the answer is right before you.Pope Francis is not from Europe.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by reganvida: 1:53pm On Sep 20, 2013
caseless: those pushing 2 win people back 2 catholic fold by adulterating d doctrine, jst needed dz pope 2 kickstart on this note , then somebody can implement it in d future. The man is achieving his aim, i guess dz is why he was picked.

Picked or Elected?? Well any one can serve. What i have failed understand from your views is...Do you mean every single Cardinal is behind such changes? Every single power broker in the vatican is in line with the views of the Pope? Do u mean that this is a pre-planned arrangement?
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Caseless: 5:08pm On Sep 20, 2013
reganvida:

Wow!! You mean the views of Pope Francis is part of a bigger picture? Sort of a conspiracy to effect radical changes in the Catholic church? Well time will prove you either right or wrong. As regards to Cardinal Arinze and the European favoritism,the answer is right before you.Pope Francis is not from Europe.
yea..there is a subtext to whatever he says; this goes 2 show what he's out 2 push thru.
You knw when a nigerian arcbishop threatened that the african conglomerate wld break out of anglican circle when they tried naming a lesbian as priest? Such threat wl greet dz pope soon.
Yea..i knw pope francis is frm latin america , and they pick him as d catholic was losing its members in latin america, of course he revived their spirit during his last visit. U see, d politics is bigger than what u and i can see. When d power broker needed a stooge to head anything, they knw where 2 go shopping e.g africa, asia and south america.
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by Adaeze003(f): 11:05pm On Sep 20, 2013
The end is near...
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by italo: 7:24pm On Sep 21, 2013
reganvida:

Are you saying the whole vatican is in support of this sudden wholesale changes to the doctrines of the Roman Catholics which has been there for cenutries?

No Catholic doctrine has been changed...please!
Re: Pope Urges More Understanding For Gays. by italo: 7:27pm On Sep 21, 2013
reganvida:

For now,the Pope is just expressing his views.Non of what he said has been passed into law in the vatican so i guess it will be quite early to question the absence of opposition in the vatican.Coming to the issue of Cardinal Arinze,its no secret that the vatican elections is one of the most secretive elections on earth. We will never know if he was really cheated in d election or not.

The Pope has not said anything contrary to Catholic teaching.

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