Billyonaire: Love is older than Jesus, Love is the precursor of all. Jesus was a byproduct of Love.

Love is the source of all things, it has nothing to do with Christianity, its just Evolution.

God is love.
In the beginning was the word(John chapter 1). Jesus is God.

[/color]All gibberish,the only religion that has much more relationship with science researches surprisingly is Islam!!

ifeness: Too many lies in the bible. Thanks to science people like you can use the internet.

Many scientists are christians too. If God didn't create you then you can't invent .

@op, Your argument is invalid. If you had say science and religion that would have been another thing, since religion give birth to science.
Today while science deal with the physical and the fundamentals of the universe, religion deals with the mental physical and moral aspect of life.
In science we believe in atom,electrons, gravity etc( faith). religion believe in spirit,prophecy,heaven,GOD etc (faith). What make science stand out is that, in science a theory is hold to be true for the moment, but in light of a new and better theory the old one is discarded but religion will never shift ground even when they are wrong.

Allah says: And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain). Till when they have carried a heavy-laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.) (7:57)

Allah says:

(And We send the winds fertilizing (to fill heavily the clouds with water), then cause the water (rain) to descend from the sky, and We give it to you to drink, and it is not you who are the owners of its stores [i.e. to give water to whom you like or to withhold it from whom you like].) (15:22)

Modern science has affirmed the scientific points mentioned in this verse of the Quran. The winds carry water particles which are rich in salt up into the atmosphere; these particles which are called 'aerosols' function as water traps and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapor themselves.

The clouds are formed from water vapor that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky.29 Thus, the sky is covered in clouds. The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain. Allah says:

(See you not that Allah drives the clouds gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap of layers, and you see the rain comes forth from between them; and He sends down from the sky hail (like) mountains, (or there are in the heaven mountains of hail from where He sends down hail), and strikes therewith whom He wills, and averts it from whom He wills. The vivid flash of its (clouds) lightening nearly blinds the sight.) (24:43)

Allah says: And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain). Till when they have carried a heavy-laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.) (7:57)

Allah says:

(And We send the winds fertilizing (to fill heavily the clouds with water), then cause the water (rain) to descend from the sky, and We give it to you to drink, and it is not you who are the owners of its stores [i.e. to give water to whom you like or to withhold it from whom you like].) (15:22)

Modern science has affirmed the scientific points mentioned in this verse of the Quran. The winds carry water particles which are rich in salt up into the atmosphere; these particles which are called 'aerosols' function as water traps and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapor themselves.

The clouds are formed from water vapor that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky.29 Thus, the sky is covered in clouds. The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain. Allah says:

(See you not that Allah drives the clouds gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap of layers, and you see the rain comes forth from between them; and He sends down from the sky hail (like) mountains, (or there are in the heaven mountains of hail from where He sends down hail), and strikes therewith whom He wills, and averts it from whom He wills. The vivid flash of its (clouds) lightening nearly blinds the sight.) (24:43)

 
cumulonimbus cloud. This picture(1st pix) has been taken by NASA satellite. It is as though an invisible hand is pushing the cumulus clouds to the place of convergence


Rain clouds are formed and shaped according to definite systems and stages. The formation stages of cumulonimbus -a type of rain cloud- are2nd pix)

Visit here to read some more. Knowledge is power : http://www.quranandscience.com/earth/263-quran-on-formation-of-clouds-and-rain.html

Gabriel_sylar: Christainity is science

How come the early Christian waged war against those scientists that came up with proves against Christian belief? Just explanation is all I need no offense.

Science and christianity are two different things. While christianity is explained with spirituality, science is explained with empiricism, as could be seen in objectivity, observation, and so on.

Science and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. They both work hand in hand. Its the same Bible that said the earth is a sphere ( read Isaiah 40). After many years, everyone now believed it.
When Kepler said the earth is a sphere, the early church attacked him. In those days, scientists were attacked by the church. And that's how they formed the illuminati.
But today, we know better.
Btw, Isaac Newton was a christian.

ifeness:
What about Noah's ark?

Why are there no pyramids and dinorsaurs in the bible.

Not a single tomb of any of the bible character has been found. Why? Because the bible stories are from the Egyptian story of Horus.

Scientists discovered the remains of a man who live over 24 thousand years ago,while the bible claimed the world was created approximately 6,000 years ago.

The bible claimed god created heaven and earth,but science has made man discover 100s of planets more. Jesus claimed he would come back before the end of his desciples generation, he lied again!

Too many lies in the bible . Thanks to science people like you can use the Internet!

The point the op is making is that we have not heard the last word. What you call lies in the Bible can, as knowledge increases, be proven to be true.
Even carbon dating is not 100% error proof. And who said the remains of Noah's ark haven't been discovered!
And did the Bible say that the earth is the only planet? Don't discuss what you know little about
No true science has convincingly contradicted the Bible! Many great scientists and inventors were Christians!
Use Google

Billyonaire: Love is older than Jesus, Love is the precursor of all. Jesus was a byproduct of Love.

Love is the source of all things, it has nothing to do with Christianity, its just Evolution.

Music is sound energy and energy can only change form, so Yes, Music has capability to make you sleep, alter your thought system to different polarities and music heals, it heals because sickness actually is a result of irregular motion of atoms/molecules, so energy can restore the cause of the rhythm of flow, music is capable of regulating thought process.

It is called Universal Rhythm and has nothing to do with Christ and Christianity.

So you indeed know that Jesus is a product of Love!

tjpoet: Allah says: And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain). Till when they have carried a heavy-laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.) (7:57)

Allah says:

(And We send the winds fertilizing (to fill heavily the clouds with water), then cause the water (rain) to descend from the sky, and We give it to you to drink, and it is not you who are the owners of its stores [i.e. to give water to whom you like or to withhold it from whom you like].) (15:22)

Modern science has affirmed the scientific points mentioned in this verse of the Quran. The winds carry water particles which are rich in salt up into the atmosphere; these particles which are called 'aerosols' function as water traps and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapor themselves.

The clouds are formed from water vapor that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky.29 Thus, the sky is covered in clouds. The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain. Allah says:

(See you not that Allah drives the clouds gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap of layers, and you see the rain comes forth from between them; and He sends down from the sky hail (like) mountains, (or there are in the heaven mountains of hail from where He sends down hail), and strikes therewith whom He wills, and averts it from whom He wills. The vivid flash of its (clouds) lightening nearly blinds the sight.) (24:43)

 

You can see that this thread is about CHRISTIANITY and Science. Could you please stop derailing the thread. You can open another thread on Islam and Science

ayobase:



So you indeed know that Jesus is a product of Love!

Of course Jesus was. Everone knows that. No one showed more love than he did during his time.

how comes there are no bible verses to back up your theories and your topic says Christianity and science?

Samunique: Every scientifically proved discovery is always bibically acurate, and moreover, science is not always right, some years back science said that the earth was "square", Isaiah 40:22 says the earth is circle (spherical).However, with further research scientists later confirmed the bible's view regarding the shape of the earth .

So i believe some of these biblically contradictory scientific discoveries will still be biblically acurate with more research.

because we are yet to comprehend fully all the science of nature and the universe.

So whatever scientists come up with today might not be the final answer.

THE MORE WE LIVE THE MORE WE LEARN !!!

Mind you, some of those scientists are ATHEISTS !!!

bro, pls enlighten me about circle and sphere as a shape.

Dan Brown, in his books.,angels n demons and da vinci code., will tel u dt xtainity n science wil neva go together..n he proved it!

ifeness:
What about Noah's ark?

Why are there no pyramids and dinorsaurs in the bible.

Not a single tomb of any of the bible character has been found. Why? Because the bible stories are from the Egyptian story of Horus.

Scientists discovered the remains of a man who live over 24 thousand years ago,while the bible claimed the world was created approximately 6,000 years ago.

The bible claimed god created heaven and earth,but science has made man discover 100s of planets more. Jesus claimed he would come back before the end of his desciples generation, he lied again!

Too many lies in the bible . Thanks to science people like you can use the Internet!

To av a discussion with someone so bias and hating like u will be so unfortunate, unprofitable and probably irrational.

With this ur unfortunate remarks, i can understand where u are coming from and where u a going,and i hope no one gives u any attention here, cause ur folly is lower than the class of the insane, and ur uncontrolable apetite for blasphemy dipcts u as someone lacking access to good reasoning, and yet, an unrepentant hater of God who has been thrown behind the bar of ingnorance.

And let me tell u this, whenever u want to display ur ingnorance and ur folly "mind what u say" calling our Lord Jesus a liar is too dangerious for u!!! If there something u do not understand in the bible, pls allow ur God's given senses to make u ask questions rather than making such derogatory and inflamatory remarks.

Pls keep OUR LORD JESUS OUT OF THIS MATTER !!!

However, if u want to know more about biblical archaeological findings u can google it if u av such an open mind to believe them.

Pls becareful of what u say !

JESUS LOVES YOU!!!

I don't belìeve this because, the bible's version of the rainbow formation is totally contradictory to that of science.

Scientific Discoveries are Prove to show the Great work of our Creator and his Existance,but some Humans fail to Comprehend the Exposure of such Natural facts..The Bible is the Greatest Book of all time,From the Beginning to the End of Human existance is written their In.Read and Understand what the Scripture is Saying.

sidespin: CHRISTIANITY & SCIENCE (Part One)


THOUGHTS:
We all have different unique ways of thinking. You can be traced by your thought pattern. You thinking process is as unique as your finger print – isn’t Jesus so wonderful? THOUGHTS are real physical structure of things. Every time you think, you build EPIGENOME which means thoughts. Our thoughts can activate the bad or the good genes. If you say, ‘I cant’ that is an action, a command. It sure will affect you!

TOUCH:
Touch Releases ENDORPHINES which kills pains, heals etc. Women have 10 X (ten times as much) sensors in their skins than men. If you follow what Jesus said, you can change your gene.

I stopped reading at this point. Because I can see that this would be a waste of time. @ the bolded no 1, you say that epigenome means your thought. Please stop saying things you don't know to appear smart because people who actually know these things will ridicule you. EPIGENOME is coined from the phenomenon of "EPIGENETICS" which is a Greek word meaning"ABOVE GENETICS" "An Epigenome consists of a record of the chemical changes to the DNA and histone proteins of an organism; these changes can be passed down to an organism's offspring. Changes to the epigenome can result in changes to the structure of chromatin and changes to the function of the genome" In other words, Epigenetics changes the structure of you genome and results in phenotypes (characters) you did not directly inherit from your parents but can be passed down to your offspring. It occurs as a result of the things you do in your everyday life e.g, diet exercise, bad habilts like smoking E.T.C. So epigenetics has no bearing with thoughts. Infact it is a very new field of study in science that is not yet fully understood.

Secondly you said if you follow Jesus you can change you genes. WTH is that? Your genes are on chromosomes half of each were inherited from both parents each carrying a haploid (one strand) chromosome in their gametes (sex cells) and fusing together to form a diploid chromosome during fertilization with the resultant formation of an embryo later to turn to an individual with a unique DNA. Your DNA remains like that for the rest of your life it does not change. But individual gene expression can be altered as science has proven (that is a different story). However, it is scientifically possible to "change you genes by a process called "transfection" It is a highly regulated procedure. It can be used in gene therapy to heal diseases caused by genetic effects such as sickle cell.

Next time do a proper research before you rush to write anything to appear smart. This reminds me of that fellow in UNILAG that wrote that garbage of "the science of gay marriage"

By the way I am both a scientist and a Christian!

msquarewld: bro, pls enlighten me about circle and sphere as a shape.

Bros, the bible means "sphere" i quoted from the old king james english. Tanx!

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tjpoet: Allah says: And it is He Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy (rain). Till when they have carried a heavy-laden cloud, We drive it to a land that is dead, then We cause water (rain) to descend thereon. Then We produce every kind of fruit therewith. Similarly, We shall raise up the dead, so that you may remember or take heed.) (7:57)

Allah says:

(And We send the winds fertilizing (to fill heavily the clouds with water), then cause the water (rain) to descend from the sky, and We give it to you to drink, and it is not you who are the owners of its stores [i.e. to give water to whom you like or to withhold it from whom you like].) (15:22)

Modern science has affirmed the scientific points mentioned in this verse of the Quran. The winds carry water particles which are rich in salt up into the atmosphere; these particles which are called 'aerosols' function as water traps and form cloud drops by collecting around the water vapor themselves.

The clouds are formed from water vapor that condenses around the salt crystals or dust particles in the air. Because the water droplets in these clouds are very small (with a diameter between 0.01 and 0.02 mm), the clouds are suspended in the air, and spread across the sky.29 Thus, the sky is covered in clouds. The water particles that surround salt crystals and dust particles thicken and form raindrops, so drops that become heavier than the air leave the clouds and start to fall to the ground as rain. Allah says:

(See you not that Allah drives the clouds gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap of layers, and you see the rain comes forth from between them; and He sends down from the sky hail (like) mountains, (or there are in the heaven mountains of hail from where He sends down hail), and strikes therewith whom He wills, and averts it from whom He wills. The vivid flash of its (clouds) lightening nearly blinds the sight.) (24:43)

 

you need to be banned,you are derailing the thread,open another thread for this your islam and science!

Science has explained to us where Religion has failed. Some of The greatest men who lived where atheists, agnosts... Being a christian/muslim never makes you very intelligent.
Guess you can read about this on wikipedia: Religiosity and Intelligence

Am sorry what the op has up there is BS!!!

Samunique: To av a discussion with someone so bias and hating like u will be so unfortunate, unprofitable and probably irrational.

With this ur unfortunate remarks, i can understand where u are coming from and where u a going,and i hope no one gives u any attention here, cause ur folly is lower than the class of the insane, and ur uncontrolable apetite for blasphemy dipcts u as someone lacking access to good reasoning, and yet, an unrepentant hater of God who has been thrown behind the bar of ingnorance.

And let me tell u this, whenever u want to display ur ingnorance and ur folly "mind what u say" calling our Lord Jesus a liar is too dangerious for u!!! If there something u do not understand in the bible, pls allow ur God's given senses to make u ask questions rather than making such derogatory and inflamatory remarks.

Pls keep OUR LORD JESUS OUT OF THIS MATTER !!!

However, if u want to know more about biblical archaeological findings u can google it if u av such an open mind to believe them.

Pls becareful of what u say !

JESUS LOVES YOU!!!

Happily slaves are the true enemies of freedom. I know you will be defending Allah/Mohamed if you were a muslim and same applies to Krishna if you were a Hindu. Learn to break free from your chains!

It extremely skeptical that jesus died on a cross, seeing as Horus, Mithra, And many other "Sun" Gods died in a similar fashion. However,the strongest evidence about the death and tomb of jesus can be found in a town in Indian called Kashmiri.

Look it up on google with an open mind. The people of Kashmire can tell a better story about jesus since they lived in the same region. There you will find out that jesus did not die on the cross(no resurrection ) He traveled back to indian,had kids and died at about 80 years of age. That is the true story of jesus!

Anyone who doubts me should read about Jesus in Kashmiri!

msquarewld: bro, pls enlighten me about circle and sphere as a shape.

look brother. you can tell the difference between a sphere and a circle because you went to school and learnt about geometry. you are different from one who was a shepherd right from birth. but that doesn't take away the fact that you got the message he was trying to pass. before I learnt the word sphere I called a ball circle. Isaiah did not travel to space.

Ajibel: Science has explained to us where Religion has failed. Some of The greatest men who lived where atheists, agnosts... Being a christian/muslim never makes you very intelligent.
Guess you can read about this on wikipedia: Religiosity and Intelligence

Am sorry what the op has up there is BS!!!

That is a fat lie. Isaac newton . Galileo galilei etc were Christians

Worried at the number of atheist and agnost now there is even in nigeria. I love free thinking though

My understanding is that christianity continues from where science stops.christianity serves to answer questions where science fails.christianity serves to correct the ills and shortcomings as well as the limitations of science. -emma bowin

The topic should be Science vs Religion. Christianity came out of other religion,so therefore is not strong enough to be paired with science. The Quran itself is a lot more credible than the bible. I would rather engage a muslim in a debate. Christianity is the European version of the Egyptian religion. Since Horus lived the same way jesus was portrayed to have lived. The only evidence of such character can be found in Egypt. Christianity is an utter garbage,its story of Noah is so similar to the Epic of Gilblemersh.

emma bowin: My understanding is that christianity continues from where science stops.christianity serves to answer questions where science fails.christianity serves to correct the ills and shortcomings as well as the limitations of science. -emma bowin

In that case,can you explain the phenomenon behind the dinorsors ?

cocoduck:
That is a fat lie. Isaac newton . Galileo galilei etc were Christians

They "were" christians until they discovered that the bible couldn't be relied on.