stexsy: this pastor kun is an agent of darkness, i believe he is send to lead people to hell pls beware of him. Tithing all d way

tunapa2009: What is there any law(mosaic law) during that days of Abraham? Why did Abraham gave melchizedek tenth part?
Tithe did not come through mosaic law.. This is an established truth.
The only thing am against is when pastors start forcing their members which is outrightly wrong. If you don't believe in it(study your bible like the berean christians). Though many people are too lazy to study. Some people don't the reason why they are paying tithe! Some people refuse to pay because of their selfish interest! Why some people are only following the crowd. STUDY THE WORD OF GOD WITH OPEN HEART..
Tithing is biblical and its hold.
What I expect us to now look into should be, how is the church spending the tithes?

tunapa2009:
My brother, tithe is not a ticket to get to heaven. Salvation. Is mainly based on romans 10vs8-10 and obedience continuous to God's word.
You shouldn't be gullible to some false doctrines by some false pastors. Whatsoever things that is not written in the bible are heresies and should be discarded.
There was an incident, a pastor told his congregation that "your tithes are used to build your mansions in Heaven". The person asked me whether it was true. Then I explained the reason why he should pay his tithe and I refuted all his pastor's words(heresies). You don't have to force your members to pay tithe.

kedikenet: hm nawa o, well I'm nt suprised,the world is coming to an end already so many false prophet, hw wuld sumbdy jst wake and open one thread I Dnt undstnd teln pple nt to pay tithe midleading pple .is the bible nt the manual for xtiens again even though some of the things there were writen by men was it not the holy spirit of God dat gav dem inspiritn or wat, and for you dat says u stoped playn ur tithe becos of some confused human being hm well God will help u soon they wil open a thread sayn nothgn like heaven or hell,

Elliotwiz1: so why did you quote those verses? You dont even have a reason for doing what you do, tithe is giving! But in a special form, what i'm telling you is that giving is biblical!

Goshen360: Many Christians have made their pastors their Lord and saviour, whatever these pastors say to these Christians, is what stands. They don't check like the Bereans to see if what is taught is true.

Pastors on the other hand, mixes Judaism with Christianity and what we have today is confusion.

Some say tithe is what works for them. What then did Christ do for you? Because it works doesn't mean it Christian doctrine. Herbalist mix concorsion for people and it works. Cele people take folks to bath in the river, etc does that mean it right?

Attributing breakthroughs and blessings to tithe is fallen from grace and to such Christians, Christ died for nothing.

Goshen360: Many Christians have made their pastors their Lord and saviour, whatever these pastors say to these Christians, is what stands. They don't check like the Bereans to see if what is taught is true.

Pastors on the other hand, mixes Judaism with Christianity and what we have today is confusion.

Some say tithe is what works for them. What then did Christ do for you? Because it works doesn't mean it Christian doctrine. Herbalist mix concorsion for people and it works. Cele people take folks to bath in the river, etc does that mean it right?

Attributing breakthroughs and blessings to tithe is fallen from grace and to such Christians, Christ died for nothing.

Elliotwiz1: so why did you quote those verses? You dont even have a reason for doing what you do, tithe is giving! But in a special form, what i'm telling you is that giving is biblical!

fr_evangel:

I was actually expecting someone to ask this question.

1. Abraham gave tithe ONLY ONCE.
2. Abraham gave tithe of spoil of a particular war, he never gave tithe of his increase, income, money etc.
3. Abraham gave the tithe willfully, not as an obligation, hence he didn't do it again.
4. Abraham never taught his children to pay tithe.
5. Moses never paid tithe, neither do any before they got to the promised land. It was only instituted to cater for the tribe of Levi and on every 3years, the year of tithing, they were to share with the needy.
6. Jesus and the Apostles never paid tithe, hence they didn't teach anyone to do so. The early church were taught to give but never was tithe mentioned
7. Read my previous posts, go back to the Bible and check out ALL forms of tithing, come back when you are done if you still think tithing is for the Church/New testament.

tunapa2009:
It was recorded once for Abraham abi. What prompted him to give the tithe (spoil)?
I also said that, it must be done with a cheerful heart and not grudging nor forcefully. I strongly believe in tithe...
Does it mean that because Jesus didn't speak about it, make it wrong? Or his disciples didn't speak about it,make it abolished?

tunapa2009: What is there any law(mosaic law) during that days of Abraham? Why did Abraham gave melchizedek tenth part?
Tithe did not come through mosaic law.. This is an established truth.
The only thing am against is when pastors start forcing their members which is outrightly wrong. If you don't believe in it(study your bible like the berean christians). Though many people are too lazy to study. Some people don't the reason why they are paying tithe! Some people refuse to pay because of their selfish interest! Why some people are only following the crowd. STUDY THE WORD OF GOD WITH OPEN HEART..
Tithing is biblical and its hold.
What I expect us to now look into should be, how is the church spending the tithes?

honeric01:

If its relevant to salvation and christianity as some pastors make it seem, do you think Jesus and the early Christian wouldn't have made mention of it at least once?

honeric01:

If its relevant to salvation and christianity as some pastors make it seem, do you think Jesus and the early Christian wouldn't have made mention of it at least once?

fr_evangel:

I once gave a colleague EVERY VERSE of the Bible that mentioned tithe, tithes or tenth. I asked him to go do a study for himself and return to explain tithing to me.
He left and returned weeks later. I realized that after he studied the scriptures he had questions to ask his pastor (who i perceive he's close to).
When he asked his pastor, the pastor replied him "don't you know yourself how that tithing has worked for you?".
he concluded his pastor was right and I was the one trying to mislead him. I was stunned! He returned and told me he doesn't need to read those verses anymore that he has been tithing and that it has worked fro him all these years.
In conclusion, I never explained anything myself, I just gave him every verse of the bible that talked about tithe.
He chose his pastors conclusion which is not based on the word but his personal experience. That it worked for him!
Tell me who is the false teacher then, me who asked him to study his Bible, not even my own oh, or the pastor who told him not to read the Bible but use his experience to judge?

Elliotwiz1: without paying this tithes, you can make heaven, that is what you should be focusing on, it is written in the bible that we should pay tithes...10% is what is known as tithe...check your dictionary....if someone decides to pay his tithe, dont try to stop him!

fr_evangel:

I was actually expecting someone to ask this question.

1. Abraham gave tithe ONLY ONCE.
2. Abraham gave tithe of spoil of a particular war, he never gave tithe of his increase, income, money etc.
3. Abraham gave the tithe willfully, not as an obligation, hence he didn't do it again.
4. Abraham never taught his children to pay tithe.
5. Moses never paid tithe, neither do any before they got to the promised land. It was only instituted to cater for the tribe of Levi and on every 3years, the year of tithing, they were to share with the needy.
6. Jesus and the Apostles never paid tithe, hence they didn't teach anyone to do so. The early church were taught to give but never was tithe mentioned
7. Read my previous posts, go back to the Bible and check out ALL forms of tithing, come back when you are done if you still think tithing is for the Church/New testament.

Goshen360:

This is how you know Abraham tithe\tithing IS NOT A CONTINUATION in the mosaic law tithing and that they in contrast is that, SPOILS FROM OR OF WAR IS NOT INCLUDED IN MOSAIC TITHING. It cannot be acceptable neither is it a tithable items.

If you find where items from war are commanded under mosaic law, please, I won't mind you pointing it from the word.

Goshen360:

This is how you know Abraham tithe\tithing IS NOT A CONTINUATION in the mosaic law tithing and that they in contrast is that, SPOILS FROM OR OF WAR IS NOT INCLUDED IN MOSAIC TITHING. It cannot be acceptable neither is it a tithable items.

If you find where items from war are commanded under mosaic law, please, I won't mind you pointing it from the word.

tunapa2009:
It was recorded once for Abraham abi. What prompted him to give the tithe (spoil)?
I also said that, it must be done with a cheerful heart and not grudging nor forcefully. I strongly believe in tithe...
Does it mean that because Jesus didn't speak about it, make it wrong? Or his disciples didn't speak about it,make it abolished?

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Rev 1:6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

rezzy: Praise the Lord, my testimony goes like this, You anti tithe Christians have not been able to confuse me. I still pay my tithe. Praise Master Jesus. Halleluyah

rezzy: Praise the Lord, my testimony goes like this, You anti tithe Christians have not been able to confuse me. I still pay my tithe. Praise Master Jesus. Halleluyah

tunapa2009:
But my question wasn't answered.. Why did Abraham pay tithe in the first place?

TheSaintz:

Guy please by God stop the deceipt
1. the fact that Abraham did it once speaks of principle, he was showing us a principle
2.spoils of war is an increase in income, spoils of war in the old times could be loots of either livestock, purses with coins from your enemies, etc
3.Abraham gave it willfully, yes because He understood covenant with Jehovah, and if he did not do it again where did his children learn it from (check leviticus)
4. if he didnt not teach his children then once again where did the levite learn it from
5. show me a place where moses had and increase in income of whatsoever and then we will conclusively say he didnt pay tithe, if he didnt believe in it, why did he command the children of israel (levite to receive it) from their brethren
6. jesus never disapprove of tithing, also show me where Jesus and the apostle had an income and i will absolutely agree with you, also if jesus could pay his taxes then tell me, if he had an income will he not pay his tithe
7.when you understand the mind of God concerning man on earth, you will stop this talk on the church or new testament

and like i wrote in my last post, the phrase 'as poor as a church rat" is now dead, do you ask yourself why,
wealth started flowing in christian hands when they started being taught about giving and tithing,
yes i will say it , pastor and minister are over preaching it for their selfish aim but that does not change the fact that it has cause immense increase to the wallet of believers. all man will give account of himself whether it be good or bad, you just do your part

so once again " very very i say unto you only a foolish man changes a winning strategy"