christemmbassey: All d ppl who quoted Malachi3:10 to decieve themselves, i want u to tell me smthing, u want to tell me dat all those unfortunate ppl who perished in DANA crash did nt pay tithe, that was why God allowed them to die? On first of April this yr, a very popular church in Nigeria organized a crusade, and after d crusade, about 4 members died on their way back, one of them led in all d praise n worship in dat crusade, and this guy was to lunch his debut gosgel album dat same week, i heard, d woman who supposed to sponsor him went to d hospital and pleaded with him crying, "pls don't die, see d money for ur album" and he answered, "no ma, i'm tired, i just want to go and be with the lord", and he died. So Malachi 3:10 ppl, was it bc these ppl rob God of tithe dat he allowed them to die on their way back from preaching?

They say when one goes through stressful times, the person has not challenged God well with his/her seeds\tithes..

They never preach the "carry ur cross and follow me" or "be ready to face persecution in my name" sermon.

try69:

They say when one goes through stressful times, the person has not challenged God well with his/her seeds\tithes..

They never preach the "carry ur cross and follow me" or "be ready to face persecution in my name" sermon.

bros u want their jets to b grounded? I no dey dia o.

christemmbassey: bros u want their jets to b grounded? I no dey dia o.

Quite laughable

Before the advent of social contract theory, the people don't dare question leaders even when logic and reasoning infers that their actions are to the detriment of the masses. Well, thank God that's in place today and a lot can be put right. With the way the Gospel of christ is being preached today, it is paramount being a crusader of rightful thinking especially when these merchants and their ways hampers on the social well being of the people of God.

Pro_ithe: Mr. Man, touch not His anointed.

Common_sense: But many will come in His name.

Pro_tithe: how do u know them?

Common_sense: By their fruits..

I'm a little bit late to the party.

First, it is not wrong to give to God, read the richest man in Babylon, a complete unbeliever said you should give 10% to the gods.

Second, If you are a christian and you read your bible, you will know that even in the new testament people give to God. There's a man who gave to God and God has to send Peter to his house to show him the way of salvation. Tithing is just one of the ways you give to God. There are others - First fruit, Prophet Offering etc. One of the most powerful offering is benevolence offering (giving to the poor). Blessed is he that considers the poor, the Lord will deliver him in the days of trouble.

Third, the reason why those other offerings are not as prominently mentioned as the tithe is because the tithe is very compulsory according to Malachi, nothing PAYING it means you are robbing God. No other type of giving carries such weight as the tithe. Notice I used the word PAY and not GIVE, a tenth of your income is not yours, it is Gods. It is a way of saying, God, I know I couldn't have made this income if you have not given me the opportunity. Tithe is a way of praising God and the Bible says God inhabits the praise of His people. Even as kids, I remember we save up to buy Mum a mother's day gift. Of course from all the money she's been giving us. It's a way of saying Thanks.

Fourth, you can pay your tithe and still be broke, sick, or even die. Faith and Tithe are not the same. Kathryn Kulman (can't remember the spelling) cured a lot of people of diverse diseases and she died of cancer. You have to release your faith for something (or against it). How do you release your faith? By positive confessions. A man shall be satisfied by the abundance of his lips. So if you don't want to die young, start confessing God's word. If you don't want to be poor, start confessing God's word.

Fifth, you should really check the kind of church you attend. Where the tithe was first mentioned in the Bible, King of Sodom wanted to give Abraham stuff, but he said he won't collect, he said "I have lifted my hands to God". Now I go to a church where the Pastor said and I quote "The day I climb the pulpit to raise an offering, you all should leave. We (Christians, Pastors included) don't talk about our needs to people, we tell God our needs and of course God uses people to meet those needs. He (God) stirs the heart of men." If you go to a church where every service is an opportunity to raise offering, where you are compelled, pushed, cajoled and all manner of theatrics are performed to get your money, your Pastor has not discovered the truth, the truth is if you lift your hands to God, he will stir the hearts of men. One of the most important messages my Pastor taught us is "God is my source".

Lastly, according to the first time tithe was paid, Abraham received bread and wine from Melchizedek and in return he gave him the tithe. Pay your tithe to the place where you get Bread (the word of God) and Wine (The spirit of God, Grace). So if a church is blessing you spiritually and you are paying to another church, you are not doing it right.

javarules: I'm a little bit late to the party.

First, it is not wrong to give to God, read the richest man in Babylon, a complete unbeliever said you should give 10% to the gods.

Second, If you are a christian and you read your bible, you will know that even in the new testament people give to God. There's a man who gave to God and God has to send Peter to his house to show him the way of salvation. Tithing is just one of the ways you give to God. There are others - First fruit, Prophet Offering etc. One of the most powerful offering is benevolence offering (giving to the poor). Blessed is he that considers the poor, the Lord will deliver him in the days of trouble.

Third, the reason why those other offerings are not as prominently mentioned as the tithe is because the tithe is very compulsory according to Malachi, nothing PAYING it means you are robbing God. No other type of giving carries such weight as the tithe. Notice I used the word PAY and not GIVE, a tenth of your income is not yours, it is Gods. It is a way of saying, God, I know I couldn't have made this income if you have not given me the opportunity. Tithe is a way of praising God and the Bible says God inhabits the praise of His people. Even as kids, I remember we save up to buy Mum a mother's day gift. Of course from all the money she's been giving us. It's a way of saying Thanks.

Fourth, you can pay your tithe and still be broke, sick, or even die. Faith and Tithe are not the same. Kathryn Kulman (can't remember the spelling) cured a lot of people of diverse diseases and she died of cancer. You have to release your faith for something (or against it). How do you release your faith? By positive confessions. A man shall be satisfied by the abundance of his lips. So if you don't want to die young, start confessing God's word. If you don't want to be poor, start confessing God's word.

Fifth, you should really check the kind of church you attend. Where the tithe was first mentioned in the Bible, King of Sodom wanted to give Abraham stuff, but he said he won't collect, he said "I have lifted my hands to God". Now I go to a church where the Pastor said and I quote "The day I climb the pulpit to raise an offering, you all should leave. We (Christians, Pastors included) don't talk about our needs to people, we tell God our needs and of course God uses people to meet those needs. He (God) stirs the heart of men." If you go to a church where every service is an opportunity to raise offering, where you are compelled, pushed, cajoled and all manner of theatrics are performed to get your money, your Pastor has not discovered the truth, the truth is if you lift your hands to God, he will stir the hearts of men. One of the most important messages my Pastor taught us is "God is my source".

Lastly, according to the first time tithe was paid, Abraham received bread and wine from Melchizedek and in return he gave him the tithe. Pay your tithe to the place where you get Bread (the word of God) and Wine (The spirit of God, Grace). So if a church is blessing you spiritually and you are paying to another church, you are not doing it right.

you have been decieved or are u d deciever? How can Abraham spoils of war change to ppl monthly salaries, Abraham slept with his house girl, sacrifice animals, told lies etc, why don't u do same? Did Jesus, Peter, John, Paul or any of d early christian collect/pay tithe? Are u an Abrahamian or christian? Why do u practice Malachi 3:10 n refuse to practice Malachi 4:4, who told u God need money, to buy what? Pls dis FRAUD MUST STOP, GO AND WORK, D BIBLE SAYS, D MAN DAT WILL NOT WORK, SHOULD NOT EAT. Paul worked. REPENT.

@ christemmbassey, you're just like one of those DERANGED characters in CRIMINAL MINDS.

Whta happened to you when you were growing up? :

Did you attend a white garment church as a child, where you caught the fake prophet sleeping with your mother, and you've from that time hated God and anyone that represents him?

Or did your despise for God and his things come from losing a loved one, wrongfully assuming that God was responsible?

While I symphathise with you for whatever demonically arranged events that got you into this frame of mind, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

You are a complete bible illiterate, and I'm certain that the rubbish you are saying is from hearsay, and not facts you've verified from the bible itself.

Just as every area of life has its charlatans: fake doctors, fake architects, fake estate agents, fake police, fake international passport, fake certificate etc....Having said that, it would be INTELLECTUAL FRAUD to assume that because some people forge certificates, that that means that your own certificate too must be forged (that is if you went to school sha).... So also, it would be fraud to assume that because there are fake pastors (and there must be: we're in the last days, and the bible says that a lot of false prohets will arise - but then do you read the bible?) That should now mean that all pastors are fake.

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Now to the issue of tithes: I know that you know next to nothing about the bible, so I'll call this TITHING FOR DUMMIES....

The bible has 3 distinct parts, grouped into 2 parts for easy digestion.
- The Old Covenant (testament)
- The process/life of Jesus
- The New Covenant

While the gospels of Mathew, Mark, luke ans John are grouped into the New Testament, the New Testament did not begin until Jesus died and was resurrected.

In my earlier post, I had explained that the bible was/is written to God's own children. In the past that was the nation of israel, but in this new dispensation, that refers to the church

So, if your father leaves you a will (testament) concerning his properties, starting from when he was a bachelor till when he was old, would you take half and leave the other?

If God wrote the bible to his children, should they take the psalms and leave malachi? INDEED, YOU ARE A ROBBER.

You say the new testament does not mention tithing... At 35, will your father still have to remind you about brushing your teeth (that is assuming that ur father was there to teach you as a kid). God has spoken once, have you heard twice, or you expect him to repeat himself in every letter to his children, even something as fundamental as TITHE?

Your tithe does not belong to you, if you are saved by the blood of Jesus. God does not need your money, but neither do I need my daughters biscuit...I bought it for her, but I still ask her for it, to flame the fire of generosity and other related values in her.

If you don't pay your Tithe to God, someone or something will still collect it from you.

Oh and before I go, if my daugther releases the biscuit, it doesn't mean her teacher at school won't spank her, or that even I won't if she goes out of line... Same way, your tithe won't bribe God or life... It is only a way of saying I acknowledge the doer, and I return what is his back to him.

try69:

The bolded is exactly one reason I said "THESE PEOPLE THREATEN GOD's CHILDREN".

Oga read what you typed again..smh

GOD WILL JUDGE YOU FRAUDSTERS

@ try69
It is obvious from the wording of your post that you are not one of God's Children'

The bolded is exactly one reason I said "THESE PEOPLE THREATEN GOD's CHILDREN".

You phrased it so carefully, to show that you are not one of 'THEM'

If you therefore are not a Child of God, then you have no right to authoritatively assert that they are being threatened: Else your foolishness will be like the white man that doesn't want to spank his kid, and calls anyone else who does a criminal.

What did you say? I'm wrong, you're a child of God, saved by the blood of Jesus, okay proove it. Post your salvation experience here. I CHALLENGE YOU.

the grinch: @ christemmbassey, you're just like one of those DERANGED characters in CRIMINAL MINDS.

Whta happened to you when you were growing up? :

Did you attend a white garment church as a child, where you caught the fake prophet sleeping with your mother, and you've from that time hated God and anyone that represents him?

Or did your despise for God and his things come from losing a loved one, wrongfully assuming that God was responsible?

While I symphathise with you for whatever demonically arranged events that got you into this frame of mind, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG.

You are a complete bible illiterate, and I'm certain that the rubbish you are saying is from hearsay, and not facts you've verified from the bible itself.

Just as every area of life has its charlatans: fake doctors, fake architects, fake estate agents, fake police, fake international passport, fake certificate etc....Having said that, it would be INTELLECTUAL FRAUD to assume that because some people forge certificates, that that means that your own certificate too must be forged (that is if you went to school sha).... So also, it would be fraud to assume that because there are fake pastors (and there must be: we're in the last days, and the bible says that a lot of false prohets will arise - but then do you read the bible?) That should now mean that all pastors are fake.

-------------------------------
Now to the issue of tithes: I know that you know next to nothing about the bible, so I'll call this TITHING FOR DUMMIES....

The bible has 3 distinct parts, grouped into 2 parts for easy digestion.
- The Old Covenant (testament)
- The process/life of Jesus
- The New Covenant

While the gospels of Mathew, Mark, luke ans John are grouped into the New Testament, the New Testament did not begin until Jesus died and was resurrected.

In my earlier post, I had explained that the bible was/is written to God's own children. In the past that was the nation of israel, but in this new dispensation, that refers to the church

So, if your father leaves you a will (testament) concerning his properties, starting from when he was a bachelor till when he was old, would you take half and leave the other?

If God wrote the bible to his children, should they take the psalms and leave malachi? INDEED, YOU ARE A ROBBER.

You say the new testament does not mention tithing... At 35, will your father still have to remind you about brushing your teeth (that is assuming that ur father was there to teach you as a kid). God has spoken once, have you heard twice, or you expect him to repeat himself in every letter to his children, even something as fundamental as TITHE?

Your tithe does not belong to you, if you are saved by the blood of Jesus. God does not need your money, but neither do I need my daughters biscuit...I bought it for her, but I still ask her for it, to flame the fire of generosity and other related values in her.

If you don't pay your Tithe to God, someone or something will still collect it from you.

Oh and before I go, if my daugther releases the biscuit, it doesn't mean her teacher at school won't spank her, or that even I won't if she goes out of line... Same way, your tithe won't bribe God or life... It is only a way of saying I acknowledge the doer, and I return what is his back to him.

i know as a true naija, u 'll do anything to protect ur oil well, but i will nt join u in dis deaf n dumb argument. In ur christianity ppl's monies/salaries are fundamental, and d only verse u see in d bible is d ones u can twist to STEAL from ppl. I tot u will tell me so so verse(s) in d bible command christians to pay tithe, but bc theres none, u resort to insults . Oga tithe collector, pls which verse in d bible commands christians to pay 10% of their salaries/wages to you at every week/month end. When u pay/collect tithe u'v commited sin. Repent. God bless as u do that.

@chritemmbassy

Do you believe in giving? I do.

Now there are so many ways you can give, tithing is one of them.

You don't have to believe in tithing, because "No one puts their trust in something they have not tested and found worthy". So if you don't believe in tithing, that's fine. It's not my job to convince you, it is the job of the Holy Spirit, my own job is to tell you.

For instance, I don't believe in taking food supplements, despite the fact that so many people around me do. Those that take it have definitely found something in it that's working for them.

Lastly, "He that knows what is right and does not do it, to him it is sin". So if I know tithing is right and I did not do it, I have sinned. You haven't sinned by not tithing, because to you it is not right to tithe, if you go ahead and tithe, you have sinned. I might be wrong, but like Paul, when the time is right, the Holy Spirit will convince me otherwise.

ciao

javarules: @chritemmbassy

Do you believe in giving? I do.

Now there are so many ways you can give, tithing is one of them.

You don't have to believe in tithing, because "No one puts their trust in something they have not tested and found worthy". So if you don't believe in tithing, that's fine. It's not my job to convince you, it is the job of the Holy Spirit, my own job is to tell you.

For instance, I don't believe in taking food supplements, despite the fact that so many people around me do. Those that take it have definitely found something in it that's working for them.

Lastly, "He that knows what is right and does not do it, to him it is sin". So if I know tithing is right and I did not do it, I have sinned. You haven't sinned by not tithing, because to you it is not right to tithe, if you go ahead and tithe, you have sinned. I might be wrong, but like Paul, when the time is right, the Holy Spirit will convince me otherwise.

ciao

thank u my brother, i can see dat u r very sincere. YES, I BLIEVE IN GIVING, but, TITHING IS NOT ONE. why? Bc 'tithing' as a 'command' negate d true essence of grace and Christ finished work. Now tithe was commanded in Moses law aka ' the law of SIN AND DEATH', and d bible says, d law of Moses failed to give d type of life God wanted for man and therefor God sent Jesus to give this life(jn 3:16) if u check well, u'll discover dat Jesus was actually talking to 'a teacher' of d law. So, Jesus died for us, bc d law, which included, tithe law, failed.(rm 8:1-4) so if u go back to practice d law tro tithe, it means, u've not accepted d work done by Jesus, which d bible says, is d only thing dat can save us n give us life(zoe) a complet parkage, if u give tithe so dat God will give u, health, life, peace, security/protection, wealth or any material thing, it means to u, the death of Jesus was nt adequate or perfect to provide these things hence God need ur nairas so dat he can sell to u d above mentioned things, and d bible calls u, a 'profane' person, to u, Jesus has not died ,u r still in ur sin bc, according to d bible, u've fallen from grace(gal 5:3-4). To make ur case worst, when u pay tithe, u are bound to do all other commandments contained in d law of Moses, oderwise, u r cursed. So to tithe as a christian, is commiting sin according to law, ur pastor is nt a levite, you don't obey other 612 laws etc. God bless.

christemmbassey: thank u my brother, i can see dat u r very sincere. YES, I BLIEVE IN GIVING, AND TITHING IS NOT ONE. why? Bc 'tithing' as a 'command' negate d true essence of grace and Christ finished work. Now tithe was commanded in Moses law aka ' the law of SIN AND DEATH', and d bible says, d law of Moses failed to give d type of life God wanted for man and therefor sent Jesus to give this life(jn 3:16) if u check well, u'll discover dat Jesus was actually talking to 'a teacher' of d law. So, Jesus died for us, bc d law, which included, tithe law, failed.(rm 8:1-4) so if go back to practice d law tro tithe, it means, u've not accepted d work done by Jesus, which d bible says, is d only thing dat can save us n give us life(zoe) a comlet parkage, if u give tithe so dat God will give u, health, life, peace, security/protection, wealth or any material thing, it means to u, the death of Jesus was nt adequate or perfect to provide these things hence God need ur nairas so dat he can sell to u d above mention things, and d bible calls u, a 'profane' person, to u, Jesus has not died ,u r still in ur sin bc, according to d bible, u've fallen from grace(gal 5:3-4). To make ur case worst, when0u pay tithe, u are cound to do all other commandments contained in d law of Moses, oderwise, u r cursed. So to tithe as a christian, is commiting sin according to law, ur pastor is nt a levite, you don't obey other 612 laws etc. Gnd bless.

I don't know why I keep loving you with the love of Christ. You are a true man of God. I just thought of the hypocrisy churches that says, pay your tithe to local parish or branches and these parishes take all the tithe to HQ. Is that payment of tithe to where you worship?

Goshen360:

I don't know why I keep loving you with the love of Christ. You are a true man of God. I just thought of the hypocrisy churches that says, pay your tithe to local parish or branches and these parishes take all the tithe to HQ. Is that payment of tithe to where you worship?

Organised fraud

Goshen360:

I don't know why I keep loving you with the love of Christ. You are a true man of God. I just thought of the hypocrisy churches that says, pay your tithe to local parish or branches and these parishes take all the tithe to HQ. Is that payment of tithe to where you worship?

no its payment of tithe to d man u worship, u know, just as agric produce was replaced by money, so, d place where God choose for his name to be worshiped has been replaced by d man whom ppl choose to worship, and d man dey Hq na, u sef, u no sabi say, we dey Nt? Na wa to u ooooo

the grinch:

@ try69
It is obvious from the wording of your post that you are not one of God's Children'

The bolded is exactly one reason I said "THESE PEOPLE THREATEN GOD's CHILDREN".

You phrased it so carefully, to show that you are not one of 'THEM'

If you therefore are not a Child of God, then you have no right to authoritatively assert that they are being threatened: Else your foolishness will be like the white man that doesn't want to spank his kid, and calls anyone else who does a criminal.

What did you say? I'm wrong, you're a child of God, saved by the blood of Jesus, okay proove it. Post your salvation experience here. I CHALLENGE YOU.

I know you are the "saved ones" and who doesn't accept your lucid teaching is not "saved".

When I go to a church and pastors tell me "don't steal from God, pay ur tithes" and then narrates a gory story of some dude who didn't pay his and got a bad experience, you expect me not to call that threat?

I don't pay to think please.

emmog25: For those of you who think the old testment is no more relevant this is for you: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.(matt 5:17).

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices(Tithe)—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. "You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former (Tithe)".

So to all of you who thinks paying tithe to church is a scam, think otherwise.(Note: I'm not a pastor and I just go to church once in awhile, but I can't hide from the truth)

To the question of this Topic: you can pay your tithe where your heart tells you to (another church). But don't forget to support the church you worship.

But these laws you're talking about, Jesus broke a number of them to prove that they're not needed for heaven. He worked on the sabbath for example. Paul also spoke about neglecting the law howbeit tacitly

Once,I used to be angry if one is still indulging in sins ! But wen I got d revelation of Christ Jesus 2wards sinners,I started loving them WHILE been very careful wit them. Follow this link http:///F4jGcj to read. As us read,I pray d Almighty God opens ur eyes in d name of our Lord Jesus Christ.