Sometimes people do express outright animosity toward us, or at least toward the public preaching work that we do. Often times, certain ones may not even really know why they don't like us, but because their clergyman, family members, or friends have expressed unfavoarable sentiments toward JW's, then they likewise do the same.
Sometimes, misinformation and lies can lead one to form opinions about us that can lead someone to an unfavorable judgment of us. One example of such a lie about JW's is that some have claimed in the past that JW's supported Hitler. The fact is, The Watchtower magazine warned about Hitler's activities way back in the early 1930's, long before the world in general paid any attention to him. We were staunchly opposed to him, and we even refused to say the "Heil Hitler" salute. As a result, Hitler tried to kill us all, and was successful in killing a large number of us in the concentration camps. The Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC has a whole section dedicated to the memorial of JW's who died at the hands of Hitler.
Further, I personally I believe that those who "hate" us probably don't hate us individually, but their animosity is probably directed toward us as a group. They probably don't personally know of anyone who is a JW, and would probably be shocked that their dentist, their mailman, their paperboy, their auto mechanic, all could be JW's. Or, they may know someone who is a JW, that they may have had a personal difference with (we are all imperfect humans), and based on this, they may have decided that we all must be like that one person is. Humans have a tendency to stereotype.

@ op, are u a JW? I have some questions I will love to get scriptural answers to. Can you attend to me on this forum?

uboma: @ op, are u a JW? I have some questions I will love to get scriptural answers to. Can you attend to me on this forum?

yes i can my friend, and i will so love to attend to you.

I like Jws, they have contributed well in medical researches especially on "alternative to blood transfusion". They are also very peaceful. I often visit their website .

But @ op I advice u to remove this topic, this is not the best place to discuss issues like this.

Thanks

why the advice sloo1 ?

sloo1: I like Jws, they have contributed well in medical researches especially on "alternative to blood transfusion". They are also very peaceful. I often visit their website .

But @ op I advice u to remove this topic, this is not the best place to discuss issues like this.

Thanks

Thanks Bro_ Of course I am a Jehovah's witness and I seconded you _ Please remove this topic

Efere701:

Sometimes people do express outright animosity toward us, or at least toward the public preaching work that we do. Often times, certain ones may not even really know why they don't like us, but because their clergyman, family members, or friends have expressed unfavoarable sentiments toward JW's, then they likewise do the same.
Sometimes, misinformation and lies can lead one to form opinions about us that can lead someone to an unfavorable judgment of us. One example of such a lie about JW's is that some have claimed in the past that JW's supported Hitler. The fact is, The Watchtower magazine warned about Hitler's activities way back in the early 1930's, long before the world in general paid any attention to him. We were staunchly opposed to him, and we even refused to say the "Heil Hitler" salute. As a result, Hitler tried to kill us all, and was successful in killing a large number of us in the concentration camps. The Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC has a whole section dedicated to the memorial of JW's who died at the hands of Hitler.
Further, I personally I believe that those who "hate" us probably don't hate us individually, but their animosity is probably directed toward us as a group. They probably don't personally know of anyone who is a JW, and would probably be shocked that their dentist, their mailman, their paperboy, their auto mechanic, all could be JW's. Or, they may know someone who is a JW, that they may have had a personal difference with (we are all imperfect humans), and based on this, they may have decided that we all must be like that one person is. Humans have a tendency to stereotype.

I don't hate you but I hate the heresies you disseminate.

OLAADEGBU:

I don't hate you but I hate the heresies you disseminate.

What a wonderful research u did coming up with that pics _ u must be a blogger _ anyways _ give examples of heresies they disseminate

iamSi:

What a wonderful research u did coming up with that pics _ u must be a blogger _ anyways _ give examples of heresies they disseminate

Teaching that Jesus Christ is a god instead of God (John 1:1).

OLAADEGBU:

Teaching that Jesus Christ is a god instead of God (John 1:1).

Oh! This one pains me a lot..the John 1v1

Others include
Jesus was created
They Holyspirit is irrelevant
Nothing like trinity
They don't believe in hell
They are the only ones using NWT in the whole world
I can go on and on

I don't hate you folks, infact I love engaging you lot in bible study, but you folks won't use any other bible except NWT, which continues to be revised and esp scriptures pointing Jesus to be the son of God removed.

'Why do people hate or dislike poison'

But on a serious note, no true xtian would hate anyone, just the heresies which can kill as a poison.

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Efere701: Sometimes people do express outright animosity toward us, or at least toward the public preaching work that we do. Often times, certain ones may not even really know why they don't like us, but because their clergyman, family members, or friends have expressed unfavoarable sentiments toward JW's, then they likewise do the same.
Sometimes, misinformation and lies can lead one to form opinions about us that can lead someone to an unfavorable judgment of us. One example of such a lie about JW's is that some have claimed in the past that JW's supported Hitler. The fact is, The Watchtower magazine warned about Hitler's activities way back in the early 1930's, long before the world in general paid any attention to him. We were staunchly opposed to him, and we even refused to say the "Heil Hitler" salute. As a result, Hitler tried to kill us all, and was successful in killing a large number of us in the concentration camps. The Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC has a whole section dedicated to the memorial of JW's who died at the hands of Hitler.
Further, I personally I believe that those who "hate" us probably don't hate us individually, but their animosity is probably directed toward us as a group. They probably don't personally know of anyone who is a JW, and would probably be shocked that their dentist, their mailman, their paperboy, their auto mechanic, all could be JW's. Or, they may know someone who is a JW, that they may have had a personal difference with (we are all imperfect humans), and based on this, they may have decided that we all must be like that one person is. Humans have a tendency to stereotype.

Who actually is the "us" (so many us in your writeup) in that your post, and how do we know you are a Jw ?

Efere701: why the advice sloo1 ?

Because it is most likely you are not a jw and the topic you raise does not lead one to God's kingdom.

What exactly do you wish to teach now ?

OLAADEGBU:

I don't hate you but I hate the heresies you disseminate.

@ Oladegbu

how am i sure you are not the one that opened this thread going by your antics on this forum ?

You know i know you very well.

I just hope it is not you. Smh.

Pastor Olu T:

'Why do people hate or dislike poison'

But on a serious note, no true xtian would hate anyone, just the heresies which can kill as a poison.

To be fair, it's not all poison, it's just truth laced with poison.

truthislight:

@ Oladegbu

how am i sure you are not the one that opened this thread going by your antics on this forum ?

You know i know you very well.

I just hope it is not you. Smh.

Don't be pollrumtious, just answer the kweshuns.

OLAADEGBU:

To be fair, it's not all poison, it's just truth laced with poison.

Yeah agreed but even when a poison is diluted with water, and the poison still has the larger %, it still remain deadly.

Gombs:

Oh! This one pains me a lot..the John 1v1

Others include
Jesus was created
They Holyspirit is irrelevant
Nothing like trinity
They don't believe in hell
They are the only ones using NWT in the whole world
I can go on and on

I don't hate you folks, infact I love engaging you lot in bible study, but you folks won't use any other bible except NWT, which continues to be revised and esp scriptures pointing Jesus to be the son of God removed.

They might be obliged to use the KJV if you insist.

Well as for me, it's a great honor to bear witnes to my loving God, Jehovah as the sovereign Ruler of d whole universe and Jesus as messianic ruler of God's kingdom which will fulfill God's worderful promises for obedient humans.
@op, i can't conclusively say u'r jw or not. However, i doubt the motive behind ur post and d comments of my fellow jw in d house show that we know better.
Finally, i'm proud to be jw. It's a previlege beyond compare.

OLAADEGBU:

They might be obliged to use the KJV if you insist.

They say the KJV is the most perversed bible version. But after insisting, the last meet I had with em, the guy got angry, because I made him read the KJV himself...out loud

He needed me to listen to him, I gave him the KJV and said...teach me all you wanna teach, but make sure all you say has a backing in the KJV..went and got him NIV and NLT sef. The dude agreed. I told him to read John 1v1 from the KJV...and we argued for the next 1hr


They know me in my area o! They don't stop at my house. But I buy their magazines (though not for sale, but I always gv em monies). I just read the science/history part of it and forget the rest.

Gombs:

They say the KJV is the most perversed bible version. But after insisting, the last meet I had with em, the guy got angry, because I made him read the KJV himself...out loud

I never knew that? I'll try that on the next victim.

Gombs:

He needed me to listen to him, I gave him the KJV and said...teach me all you wanna teach, but make sure all you say has a backing in the KJV..went and got him NIV and NLT sef. The dude agreed. I told him to read John 1v1 from the KJV...and we argued for the next 1hr

I've also noticed that they don't like to pray. Before they open their mouths tell them "let us pray" you will see that they may end the meeting there and then.

Gombs:

They know me in my area o! They don't stop at my house. But I buy their magazines (though not for sale, but I always gv em monies). I just read the science/history part of it and forget the rest.

Me too. It's as if they've blacklisted my house, for a season.

PS: Be careful that you don't swallow the poison that comes with those magazines, they can be deadly.

Pastor Olu T:

Yeah agreed but even when a poison is diluted with water, and the poison still has the larger %, it still remain deadly.

That can be deadly. A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

OLAADEGBU:

I never knew that? I'll try that on the next victim.

I've also noticed that they don't like to pray. Before they open their mouths tell them "let us pray" you will see that they may end the meeting there and then.

Very true. Some reluctantly yield tho

Me too. It's as if they've blacklisted my house, for a season.

Mine is running into the 2nd year o! Rachel my course mate then would come around and share. The day I told her that Jesus is God himself and she said NO that Jesus was created by God!... We dragged it and she got pissed, since then all she does is wave at me and pass.

@OP, i dislike watchtower doctrine because:

1. It is presented in a very deceptive, hypocrital manner.

2. They are very critical of other religion without failing to realize they're guilty of the same things

I reason with people from any religion, Iv read the Koran and I have read through the bible many times.
I expect you@ pastor olu T (who claimed to be a pastor) and the @op (who claimed to be a jw ) to know what is recorded at Matthew 5: 11&12, Matthew 10: 22 and John 15:20. - that followers of Jesus will be hated, persecuted and abused. If you are a Christian and your organisation/church is not experiencing hatred and persecution you need to have a rethink.

I doubt if the op is what he claimed ...

Pastor Olu T: 'Why do people hate or dislike poison'

But on a serious note, no true xtian would hate anyone, just the heresies which can kill as a poison.

Pastor Olu T: 'Why do people hate or dislike poison'

But on a serious note, no true xtian would hate anyone, just the heresies which can kill as a poison.

YOU CAN ONLY SAY WHEN U GO TO SLEEP BUT SURELY NOT WHEN SLEEP EVENTUALLY COMES.

So do we all know we will die someday but surely not when it will come.


Since you donot know when your next sleep will come use the following checklist to access your destination in case your next sleep is final….

• * Idol worshiper (Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me)


• * Lesbian (Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination).

• * Homosexual (Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination)

• Lies (1Tim 2:7 I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) Col 3:9 -Lie not one to another,

• Bribe giving (Psalms 26:10 whose hands is mischief, and their right hand is full of bribes)

• Bribe taking (1 Samuel 8:3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.)

• 419 ( Leviticus 19:13 Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: )

• Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16.And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death)

• Armed robbery (Ezekiel 22:29 The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy)

• Jewelries (Exodus 33 vs 5 For the LORD had (commanded) Moses, (After they had idolised jeweries at Sinai)……..”Now take off your ornaments” … So the Israelites stripped off their ornaments.
(They were never commanded to put it back in the whole history of the scripture and they never did.)

• Kick back Colossians 3:23-24 - And whatsoever ye do, do [it] heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

• Record falsification John 8:14 … Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true

• Assassin (Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall killshall be in danger of the judgment

• Boyfriend / Girlfriend fornication ( Revelation 2:21 And I gave her (or him) space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not).

• Divorce (Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery)


• Adultery Exodus 20: 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

• Tattoo (Leviticus 19:28 - Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.)

• Skimping dress (Prov 7 10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, .. 27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death).

• Mini skirt - Matt 18 vs 7 (Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!)

• Smokers/Drug addicts ( I Corinthians 3:16-17 Know you not that you (your body) are the temple of God,.. If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy)

• Alcohol Prov, 31: 6 (Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish)


• Masturbation (Romans 1:24-32 - Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies

• Occultism (Leviticus 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God).

• Woman wearing trousers (Deut 22 vs 5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God)

• Attachment * Weavon * Perming of hair -(1 Peter 3:3 Your beauty should not come from …. elaborate hairstyles) (1st Tim 2:9 that women adorn themselves … not with broided hair,)

remember that attachment, Weavon and Perming of hair alters God’s creation (Gen.1:27 - So God created man in his [own] image),

Unless we are telling God he made a mistake and we now need to correct him. (Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.)


• Hatred (Gal 5 vs 20 …Hatred and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.)

• Unforgiveness (Ephesians 4:32 - And be ye kind one to another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.)

• Back biting Psalms 101:5 – (Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off:

• Cheating/ Embezzlement ( Proverbs 28:20 - A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent)

• Abortions (Psalm 139:13: "For thou didst form my inward parts, thou didst knit me together in my mother's womb."

• pornography... 1 Thessalonians 5:22, "Abstain from all appearance of evil


• Worldly lusts/desires (Romans 12:2…. 2 Don’t live any longer the way this world lives. Let your way of thinking be completely changed. -NIRV)

• Jealousy *jealousy *outbursts of anger *disputes *dissensions *factions *envying, * Violence etc.

(Gal5:19-21 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are:.. jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God)

• * Suicide (Exodus 20:13 - Thou shalt not kill), Ecclesiastes 7:17 - : (why shouldest thou die before thy time?)

You will leave all these Mansions, blocks, cements, jets, vehicles, materials and wealth here on earth one day through death to go and appear before your creator where no one can plead for you there and where No one (pastor, reverend, bishop, pope, G.O, brother, sister, prophet, prophetess, evangelist, deacon, deaconess, archbishop, group leader, teacher, president and founder ) you love and reverence so much will be spared .

Donot let anyone brain wash you again. Jesus said "repent or perish" because It will be every Man vs his God and the bible passages above tendered as the one of the many biblical evidence in that kudgement.

It will be a day no man can escape…… pls think now…. Is that sin u are dwelling on right now worth living in fire forever?

Ecclesiastes 12:14 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 FOR GOD SHALL BRING EVERY WORK INTO JUDGMENT, WITH EVERY SECRET THING, WHETHER IT BE GOOD, OR WHETHER IT BE EVIL.

• ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST TODAY, FLEE FROM ALL SINS AND LIVE WITH YOUR GOD FOREVER,…..GOD says without HOLINESS, no Man will see him (God) Hebrews 12:14.

You are still having an opportunity which the dead sinner a second ago will never have..and that opportunity is now please donot miss it like Judas that could not follow other apostles to Heaven . .

God Bless

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@ op, a pertinent question disturbing me is 'how can one pray and be heard by God'. It seems like one's prayers don't get answered when most needed. Am I missing out on something? I have no issues with your use of the NWT so long I can follow thru with my KJV here. Or better still, should open a thread with this topic to avoid others derailing it?

Gombs:

Oh! This one pains me a lot..the John 1v1

It pains you that they don't agree with you, or you just don't like John 1:1?

Others include
Jesus was created

Was he not?

They Holyspirit is irrelevant

The Holy Spirit they know is often written as two words. Besides, they never say it's irrelevant.

Nothing like trinity

Yes, there is nothing like trinity in the bible. You shouldn't be pained that they say so, especially, if you lack convincing scriptural substance to buttress your claim.

They don't believe in hell

I don't think so. They believe in hell, though not as a place of fiery and eternal torment for the wicked.

They are the only ones using NWT in the whole world
I can go on and on

I don't hate you folks, infact I love engaging you lot in bible study, but you folks won't use any other bible except NWT, which continues to be revised and esp scriptures pointing Jesus to be the son of God removed.

This comment makes me doubt you really known them.

I like JW for their coming around my house to share Bible doctrine. But i stopped a vry closed Jw friend from coming to my house again the day i told him i prayed and fasted for God's blessing and God spoke to me in my dream that i hav been blessesd then i got three jobs in a week.

That day my Jw friend replied that its not God that answered my prayer but the devil, that God cant reveal anything in a dream nor speak to anyone. My house was subsequently blacklisted cos all other JW avoided my house completely (tho i had issue with only one of dem), they all prefered goin to other neighbours next flat. As if the guy asked the other JW to avoid coming to my house.

Freksy:

It pains you that they don't agree with you, or you just don't like John 1:1?

It pains me because you lot said, "the Word was a god." I asked a JW whether a man can be separated from his words? He said No..that a man and his words are same...then I asked him can you separate God from his words?...that God and his words should be same...he answered "Yes". But the bible you just read said "the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us" (he was using my KJV...I insisted he use it)
Then I smiled and said how then did you guys conclude that "the Word was a god"?

I loved the confusion look on his face!

Was he not?

If you can show me I Genesis 1 where Jesus was created...I'd believe you.God finished ALL his creation work on the 6th day right?

The Holy Spirit they know is often written as two words. Besides, they never say it's irrelevant.

So, do you believe in the Holy Spirit? And that He is same as God? Or was he created too?

Yes, there is nothing like trinity in the bible. You shouldn't be pained that they say so, especially, if you lack convincing scriptural substance to buttress your claim.

1 John 5:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit ”




Read verse 8


King James Bible
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.



Its ok if you still don't agree

I don't think so. They believe in hell, though not as a place of fiery and eternal torment for the wicked.

Hell then is for who?
None JWs?

This comment makes me doubt you really known them.

I know them ...toooooooo well

Gombs:

It pains me because you lot said, "the Word was a god." I asked a JW whether a man can be separated from his words? He said No..that a man and his words are same...then I asked him can you separate God from his words?...that God and his words should be same...he answered "Yes". But the bible you just read said "the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us" (he was using my KJV...I insisted he use it)
Then I smiled and said how then did you guys conclude that "the Word was a god"?

I loved the confusion look on his face!

What has always been with you is your speech organ(s), not your spoken words.
Your words leave at the instant they are produced by the relevant organ(s). You can't fire a bullet and still have it in the gun, or shoot an arrow and still have it on the bowstring. "...So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:..." Isaiah 55:11 ASV.
You are not your word; your word is not you, either.

"The word", is a title. A title often describes the function served or the duty performed by the bearer. So, the question should be: why was Jesus called, "the word"?

If you can show me I Genesis 1 where Jesus was created...I'd believe you.God finished ALL his creation work on the 6th day right?

Your question is the same as saying: If you can show me in Genesis 1 where angels were created....I'd believe you they were created. God finished ALL his creation work on the 6th day right?

So, do you believe in the Holy Spirit? And that He is same as God? Or was he created too?

Yes, I believe in the Holy Spirit. It is not the same as God, but a possession of God. God uses it to accomplish his purposes.

1 John 5:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

"And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one". 1 John 5:7-8 (ASV)

The above says nothing about the trinity. Can you shed a little light on it?

Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit ”

What is the name of the Holy Spirit?

Read verse 8


King James Bible
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

According to you, "the spirit" is man; "the water" is man; and "the blood" is also man. These three are one man.

Its ok if you still don't agree
Hell then is for who?
None JWs?

Hell is for all, we go there at death. From there too, people will be resurrected.

I know them ...toooooooo well

Ok sir