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Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by noblefada: 12:26pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
First of all let me state clearly that this is not my teaching or write-up, it is from a great man of God from Nigeria, one of the greatest bible teachers of our time! Thought sharing it will clear a lot of issues on the topic. Pls be patient to read. Concerning tithes, giving etc this post seems long but kindly sit back and read through. The issue of tithes, offerings and always generates unusual attention when raised. The two major schools usually are within these divides Tithing is for today, though its under the law, it precedes the law in the giving of same to Melchizedek by Abram. And Tithing is not a practice of the New Testament as its an old covenant mode of giving, the new covenant teaches giving as u are led or u want. By practice, I don't join schools of thought. If any school at all I am a stickler to the epistles, with particular emphasis in the Pauline revelation by precept and practice. I believe peter endeavored this too. 2 Peter 3:15-16 KJV [15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; [16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Because of the handicap of this media,I will recommend a series to any one who intend to hear my study on the subject of tithing: Must a christian tithe. Bible truth on tithe and offerings. New Testament giving. Concerning giving and reviving. Just give. U could order for them by visiting www.saintscommunity.net or www.livingwordmedia.org Hence I will address some very pivotal issues Tithe is a word in scripture, it needs not a party for or against. Abram gave tithes Genesis 14:20 KJV [20] And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. Jacob gave tithes(or promised to) Genesis 28:22 KJV [22] And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee. Take note of the two instances. Abram gave tithes of spoils of war (I doubt whether it referred to animal produce or plants as some want to adduce). Also notice its only recorded once. Take further notice, it was because he was blessed. Not to be blessed. The Epistles emphatically state Abraham (abram in this case ) was blessed by Gods promise Romans 4:2-3 KJV [2] For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. [3] For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Galatians 3:18 KJV [18] For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. So,abram was blessed in Chapter 12,gave tithes in Chapter 14. He gave tithes because IT WAS NOT TIGHT FOR HIM In Jacobs case, He only vowed to tithe upon receiving Gods blessings. I will exempt the cases under the law(I dealt with that a bit extensively in the series mentioned above) However, I suggest it's either naive or deceptive to ask anyone to tithe because both of these bible characters gave tithes. We are NEVER instructed in the Epistles to model after ANY Old Testament saints. Hebrews 12:1-2 KJV [1] Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us , and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, [2] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. This scripture says to look Unto Jesus. This refers to His finished work. The reasons were very clear.These men were not perfected by the blood as we are today. Hebrews 11:39-40 KJV [39] And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: [40] God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. Notice it says they without Us are not made perfected. NOT us without them. They needed us to be perfect and not vice versa. If we are to practice things they did,they are a lot more than tithing. Abram gave his son Isaac, had a second wife, Jacob had 3 wives,both regularly offered burnt offerings. These were equally mentioned in the epistles . So, quoting Hebrews 7 text for tithing is very dishonest. Melchizedek was a type of Christ priesthood. He was made like unto (figure of speech) the Son (referring to his historical records). You can equally or der for our study "Our priesthood in Christ" we had some study on priesthood. Hebrews 7 was Only stating the obvious as written in Genesis 14 and wasn't giving any instruction. Some speak of tithing by faith. Thats rather difficult sell. You sure wont offer animals by faith either .Christ has been given . You can't place a "faith" tag on you fancy or likes, It what is written and instructed in scriptures that is acted upon and referred to as Faith. Tithing was a well known practice to the Jews. Jesus mentioned it. Matthew 23:23 KJV [23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. If u claim he was teaching tithe here, then you must be very dishonest ,having discontent for the integrity of Gods word. He wasn't . He was rebuking those who tithe,yet ignore weightier matters of The LAW. Faith here is better translated faithfulness (loyalty). As the Law is not of Faith Galatians 3:11-12 KJV [11] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. [12] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Romans 3:28 KJV [28] Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Its on record that tithing was NEVER mentioned by Paul, Peter,James,John,Jude or even in the book of revelation. The ONLY reference was Hebrews 7 ,I suppose we can rightly divide that without qualms . To be cont'd. |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by noblefada: 12:29pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
I once heard a preacher teach that Ananias and Saphira died because they lied on tithing. God killed them because they held back the tithe. Such a man is a deceptive preacher and according to scriptures should be avoided. 1 Timothy 6:5 KJV [5] Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. A much more perverse doctrine stated that Adam and Eve ate tithe, hence put the Whole human race in sin. It further states that Abel offered tithe (first fruit) and was justified. Such men are dangerous. As a culture I avoid their teachings. Even when it's do clear Abel was justified by faith. Hebrews 11:4 KJV [4] By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. His gift was the blood of an animal. A Type of Jesus offering of blood. Abel had the substance of Jesus blood hoped for,the evidence of His sacrifice for sins not seen(Hebrews 11:1) Jesus authored in the Old covenant By His Word (hebrews11:3) and perfected such faith In His death and ascension in the New covenant (Hebrews12:2). Hence we look unto Jesus, our perfect offering. His blood is better (lasting and eternal) than Abel's offering Hebrews 12:24 KJV [24] And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. Is giving money a condition for material blessing in the New Covenant? Before I delve into this I will love again to clarify some scriptures . Simple rules of scriptures interpretation is to stick to context. Read the preceding verse(s) and the proceeding verse(s). 2 Corinthians 8:9 KJV [9] For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich. We are not physically rich because Jesus was physically poor. It's very naive or deceptive reading. 2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV [21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. This verse explains it. Jesus death, gave us life. Righteousness. Further more, He wasn't giving a prosperity scripture. He was teaching sacrifice. Giving to meet other people's needs. You becoming poor to make others rich. What is this grace? 2 Corinthians 8:1-8 KJV [1] Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia ; [2] How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. [3] For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves; [4] Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints. [5] And this they did , not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God. [6] Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also. [7] Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also. [8] I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love. The grace of liberality .Not Grace to become rich.Rather to make others full by becoming empty. New Testament giving is giving to meet others needs and not yours . Lets view some examples Acts 2:44-45 KJV [44] And all that believed were together, and had all things common; [45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men , as every man had need. Acts 4:34-35 KJV [34] Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, [35] And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. When the economy in Jerusalem was known by the Spirit ahead of time to go bad. They didn't organize prosperity conventions .or "how to sow your way out of this recession " seminar or asked to sow $419 for all 419 blessings of scriptures for prosperity Acts 11:28-30 KJV [28] And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. 29] Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: [30] Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul. Believers who were better off simply gave! Even paul. Acts 20:33-35 KJV [33] I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel. [34] Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me. [35] I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. I guess he hasn't learnt the laws of sowing up to go up,where only members give to pastors. He gave to his fellow ministers who had need! Romans 12:13 KJV [13] Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.(needs of the saints) Ephesians 4:28 KJV [28] Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Very apt . Galatians 6:9-10 KJV [9] And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. [10] As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men , especially unto them who are of the household of faith 1 Corinthians 16:1,3 KJV [1] Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. [3] And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. To be cont'd |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by noblefada: 12:31pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Take notice that emphasis is for saints. Distributing free food on the streets and engaging in corporate social responsibility whilst saints are in need is simply lack of focus . The emphasis is on believers. It appears we might be doing charity work for media attention. Some misquote Matthew 25. Matthew 25:40 KJV [40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. He referred to brethren. He won't use this for the unsaved. Back to giving. Philippians 4:16 KJV [16] For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. They gave to Paul's needs. 1 Timothy 6:18 KJV [18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; No time where we told to give so God will meet our needs. We even misquote 2 corinthians 9 Kindly read with me. 2 Corinthians 9:5-8,11 KJV [5] Therefore I thought it necessary to exhort the brethren, that they would go before unto you, and make up beforehand your bounty, whereof ye had notice before, that the same might be ready, as a matter of bounty, and not as of covetousness. [6] But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. [8] And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things , may abound to every good work: [11] Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God. Is he teaching give to reap bountifully I.E have more? That's again either a function of laziness or deception. Verse 8 says God is the giver who enables you to abound unto every good work. Grace means to give without conditions. He explains this 2 Corinthians 9:9-15 KJV [9] (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever. He is teaching giving to the needy [10] Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness Here God gives you what to give.seed to sow and bread for your food too.He multiplies what you have given. How? [11] Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God. [12] For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God; [13] Whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men; [14] And by their prayer for you, which long after you for the exceeding grace of God in you. [15] Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift. We assume we are sowing into our lives.or sowing into another's life and the fruit comes through ours! haba,Thats illogic. Verse 12-we supply the wants of the saints. Its comes back with MANY thanksgivings unto God. And verse 14,we keep excelling (exceeding) in this grace of giving from what we receive from God. The harvest of our sowing is in the lives of the saints we blessed. Same as Jesus sowed into our lives,and our Lives bear the harvest. Is it only the needs of saints? No. Galatians 6:6 KJV [6] Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Philippians 4:18 KJV [18] But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. Paul was blessed by saints he taught the word. 1 Corinthians 9:11 KJV [11] If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? Those who minister spiritual things to us. Romans 15:27 KJV [27] It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things. (Though contextually he refers again here to needs of saints in Jerusalem ) We need to realize the needs of our spiritual leaders in particular pastors are our obligations. Paul's calls his muzzling when we either refuse this obligation or treat such with levity. 1 Corinthians 9:9 KJV [9] For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? He repeats it. 1 Timothy 5:18 KJV [18] For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward. It's his right.Due,salary .Our obligation. How much do I give or what measure do I give? As I am led? Yes. Led by the written word. Scriptures, actually tell us what and how to give. 2 Corinthians 8:2-3 KJV [2] How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality. [3] For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves; They gave beyond their convenience. sacruficially even in need they gave. This is the grace of Jesus. 2 Corinthians 9:6-7 KJV [6] But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. [7] Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Bountifully means bountifully! Give well. Cheerfully (it means laughing while u do it). Purpose to give cheerfully and bountifully. Theres no freedom to be loose, lazy, lackadaisical about giving because u feel u are not under the law! Men in the new covenant gave beyond percentages. they have according to their ability. What was paramount was to do enough within your means to meet needs. They sold houses and lands (today that might be termed manipulation ) You are to give more when you have more. Just like paul, I tell folks on our churches who blessed materially more, they must give more. I lead by example. 1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV [2] Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. As u prosper u give more! 1 Timothy 6:17-18 KJV [17] Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; [18] That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; The rich were given special instruction. You must give. This shows they didn't become rich by giving. Rather, they must give because they are rich. You church (saints in need and spiritual leaders must be blessed because God has blessed u). He instruct what to give to Pastors. 1 Timothy 5:17 KJV [17] Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. Double means Double. It's a measure, percentage.Whatever u give to others You double to your Pastors. As an example, I don't receive salary from church. I work for a living. I ensure I give double to the church of what everyone gives. The New Testament giving isn't percentage giving of 10% It's sacrificial, cheerful,bountiful and honorable giving. Being stingy isn't a fruit of the spirit. Neither is greed, asking God to multiply money like a casino. Philippians 4:19 KJV [19] But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. He supplies are need not according to our seed but His freely given blessings in Christ! And we walk in the new covenant when we demonstrate His life and Nature by giving! Blessed? say..I am a product of the New Covenant, I give unconditionally, sacrificially, cheerfully because God meets by needs! Jesus is Lord, we win! (End). 1 Like |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by Candour(m): 2:51pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
@noblefada. Thanks for this write up. Pls if its not too much to ask, who is the pastor who wrote this and where is the church he pastor's? If you prefer I send you a mail, pls let me know. Thanks in anticipation and God bless you plenty |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by PastorKun(m): 5:26pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by noblefada: 5:48pm On Oct 16, 2013 |
Candour: @noblefada.Pls follow the first link in op to get all d Info u require |
Re: Concerning Tithes, Giving Etc. An Expose` by Swiftboy(m): 2:53pm On Oct 20, 2013 |
@op this is a sound teaching! We must give but not cos we're compelled to.we must give with understanding not cos someone quoted scripture.I doubt if pastors can preach this even if they know the truth.however,I learnt here that we're to give even more to the body of Christ,which's better than tithing. |
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