BERNIMOORE:
satan was not mentioned in the bible to be 'an angel' by default or originally (i dont mean metaphorial usages), and if you can show me where it was mentioned that satan was created an angel, show it pls.

satan knew jesus 'only as Gods son' and NOT GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF!(trinitarians should note that before muddling jesus as God Almighty himself)

Mathew 4: 6........... and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down.

Again;
Mathew 4:8-9;
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.
9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

but jesus told satan to worship God in heaven and NOT JESUS HIMSELF.

Satan is a powerful beign and was even reffered as 'god'/God of this world(hebrew words does not recognise uppercase/lowercase in the use of god/God.) in the book of john.

BERNIMOORE:
now,
show me in the bible with strong verses DIRECTLY where satan was said to be 'an angel' by default or originally
constructive comments pls

BERNIMOORE:
Jesus was called God's son,

hebrew 1:5;

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”

the Angels too are called 'God's son' in genesis, and even when Gods angels gathered satan was present but the phrase 'sons of God' was not used to describe satan

so, jesus and angels share beign called 'Gods son' moreover 'an angel of his presence' was said to be people's redeemer and savior

isaiah 63:9
9 In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the Angel of His Presence saved them;
In His love and in His pity He redeemed them;
And He bore them and carried them
All the days of old

was satan reffered to as an angel by default in the bible?, prove it, if you believe that jesus was did not pre-exist as angel in heaven

Jozzy4:
@ Mutteylaff
What exactly is your point ?

MuttleyLaff:
My point is simple and it isn't a trick question.
What is the word God and/or what is the word God all about?
Bear in mind the noun and adjective observation I earlier hinted about of the word before answering back please

Tjayjosh:
The bible never really kept us in the dark as to if satan was an angel. Metaphorically speaking, we were made to understand that satan was not just an ordinary angel, he was a cherubim. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and i have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore i will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and i will destroy thee O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (Ezekiel 28:14-16). Note, here "stones of fire" denotes Angels.

THIS IS WHAT LEAD TO HIS FALL.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground,

Jozzy4:

Off-topic , re-read the thread title and content

MuttleyLaff:
Re-read the topic yourself, then follow how the original post was broken down with my relevant responses about what ANGEL is really about or what it means, before asking about the word GOD, as the original post obviously has a misconceived idea of what the word God means or is, which is why angel and God is "abused" in the original post.

truthislight:
Here(in Nairaland), we do appreciate evidence,
like quoting what you are referring to to buttress your point and drive home your msg, hence, our minds will not be running halter skelter.

truthislight:
So, where does the above referenced abuse mentioned by you took place?

MuttleyLaff:
Re-read the topic yourself, then follow how the original post was broken down with my relevant responses about what ANGEL is really about or what it means, before asking about the word GOD, as the original post obviously has a misconceived idea of what the word God means or is, which is why angel and God is "abused" in the original post.

Tjayjosh:
...The bible never specifically stated if satan was an ex-archangel. We only know, he was called a cherub.

paulGrundy:
Muttylaff=BERNIMORE=truthislight=loveroftruth?



I always knew something was fishy.

ATMC:
You interest me

ATMC:
Throw more light pls.

MuttleyLaff:
I do not understand how that possibly could be and/or why I managed to interest to you

Please be specific what to beam the light on

ATMC:
Gerarahere!!

MuttleyLaff:

- Exodus 7:1

BERNIMOORE and Jozzy4
What is your understanding of what the word God means and/or what the word, God is all about?

MuttleyLaff:
Mind you Satan wasnt an ordinary angel but was an archangel
- Satan is a celestial being, a renegade, an ex-Archangel,

BERNIMOORE:
@MuttleyLaff

thank you for responding to my old post

BERNIMOORE:
but then i will appreciate if your intention is not to change or divert us from the original topic

BERNIMOORE:
which is about
(1) 'showing a verse where satan was directly called an angel without 'juxtaposing' in anywaywhatsoever!

BERNIMOORE:
all your post has failed to achieve that!

BERNIMOORE:
and now you brought this post below which seem to divert us from the issue

BERNIMOORE:
(2)Again show a verse where satan was 'pronounced' an archangel as you stated or opined in your post below;

BERNIMOORE:
i am expecting answers to 1 and 2 above 'with Direct bible verses' in your response, thanks

Angel is a task not a different form/nature but apply to both human and spirit sons of God
the word itself Angel was derived from latin, which means messenger,
it was'nt limiting this to only spirit beign but also human

Yes of course, john is 1, human by default, and/messenger, angel, but spirit sons of God, also known as angels/messenger are spirits who falls under the 2, supernatural spirit/form by default, the same invincible form with God was known.

then we have 2 categories of forms:
1, visible
2, invicible

there is no other default form called angels form outside this 2 above

https://www.nairaland.com/1534486/jesus-gods-servant-heaven-first

MuttleyLaff:
No thanks to whoever ''bumped'' (i.e. Bring-Up-My-Post) this 2 year old dead post

Not that there isnt any verse to show satan was directly called an angel, as there are verse(s)
but hypothetically speaking, just because there’s a lack of verse showing satan was directly called an angel
doesn’t mean, it isn’t true satan was an angel
(i.e. a malaika in Hebrew/Arabic, angelos in Greek, a messenger, effectively a celestial being sent to errand(s))

Satan is now an ex-Archangel because satan since after the botched coup detat no longer runs errands or messages for God
Satan ''upgraded''. Satan now has own angels, confirmed in 2 Corinthians 12:7

Satan, like all other invisible beings, are first created as celestial beings before becoming angels
When angels or an Archangel vacates the post or office,
they no longer are angels of God or an Archangel of God
but now become angels of whom they have allegiance to or become an adversary of God

[s]Lest I be lifted up by the abundance of revelations, a thorn for my flesh was handed over to me,
an Angel of Satan to buffet me, lest I be lifted up.
- 2 Corinthians 12:7[/s]

DRUM ROLL:
and here is THE COVETED verse you're so much after

And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
- 2 Corinthians 11:14

Now be the judge, after reading the below which was posted two months or so after the original,
if ''Angel is a task not a different form/nature but apply to both human and spirit sons of God''
why Satan cant or wasnt an angel of God?
- you should recognise or be familiar with the below and remember who wrote it

johnw74:
Where in the Bible does it say Satan was once a glorious angel in Heaven?

“Thou wast created.” Ezekiel 28:13, 15. “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth.” Ezekiel 28:14. “Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty … every precious stone was thy covering … the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. … Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Lucifer was created by God, as were all the other angels (Ephesians 3:9). Lucifer was a “covering” cherub.

johnw74:
There was one great angel that stands on the left side of God’s throne and another on the right (Psalms 99:1) Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leader

BERNIMOORE:
bolded below in your response Affirm my point Already;

BERNIMOORE:
The question again is 'did bible directly call satan an arch-Angel?
No! you want us to believe that because satan has angels 'followers' means that he is an arch-Angel, hence 2 Corinthians 12:7

BERNIMOORE:
Another Translation used 'masquerades as an angel' so when you 'disguise' or 'masquerades' as a lion you are already a lion in 'essence' get a life my brother that verse does more damage to your strawman's claim you already have a drum rolling

BERNIMOORE:
i guess you have to stop dancing now due to the expose

BERNIMOORE:
Que(3)Can we conclude that Jesus was an Arch-Angel? Using same analogy in 2 Corinthians 12:7

MuttleyLaff:
TJ, ex-, as in no longer a messenger, not an ordinary cherub but a chief celestial one for that matter, who incidentally deserted the office or post and led a rebellion or an unsuccessful coup d'état

MuttleyLaff:


If you want to debate 2 Corinthians 12:7 or Revelation 12:9, it wont remove the fact that Jesus wasnt the average Joe Bloggs angel on the block,
In this context and in Jesus' capacity where it applies, Jesus would have to be an Arch-Angel
I am aware of Revelation 22:16, hence the ''in this context and in Jesus' capacity where it applies...'' caveat emptor

MuttleyLaff:



In this context and in Jesus' capacity where it applies, Jesus would have to be an Arch-Angel
I am aware of Revelation 22:16, hence the ''in this context and in Jesus' capacity where it applies...'' caveat emptor

BERNIMOORE:


The sentence above (in bold) is where i am driving my argument to, i decided to put the thread in a way that it will draw answers in a practical and comparable way, you think i dont know that satan was an angel?of course you rightly quoted part of it, or that jesus was also an arch angel that run errands for God while some angels are under his control, some of my works in 2012 dealt with that. the thread was directed to the trinitarians that i have engaged before like OLAADEGBU and co.

i want to thank you for your sincerity since i discovered that we both agree on some of these issues, but there are areas we will still need to reconcile

1, satan as an Arch angel
2, Jesus The Almighty God same as his father

johnw74:



Heb 1:5 For unto[size=14pt] which of the angels[/size] said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, [size=14pt]O God[/size], is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


Heb 1:13 But to [size=14pt]which of the angels[/size] said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

MuttleyLaff:

I however am curious to know what your take is on the word GOD
What is your understanding of what the word GOD means
and/or what the word, GOD is all about?