The assertions made by CNN's Anderson Cooper on the 16th of Junethat HIV/AIDS and some other diseases started in African jungles where human beings (Africans) share diseases with apes (monkeys, gorillas, and chimpanzees) have drawn lots of criticisms and uproar among his viewers.At the same time, the article, Anderson Cooper's CNN Negative Journalism about Africa (published by World News on 23rd June), which questioned his professionalism, the scientific processes he carried out before making such conclusions, and his true intentions, has also attracted some reactions from readers.
Many viewers of Cooper's AC 360 who know very well that what he presented about the origin of HIV/AIDS was based on mere speculations,instead of proven scientific facts, felt deceived and misinformed. Some saw it as an insult on Africa or Africans and remembered some other wrong information which CNN had aired about Africa in the past. For example last year, Jeff Koinage, CNN's former correspondent in Africa presented a report about the militia group MEND (Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta), struggling to have a better share of the oil revenue for the Niger Delta people. In trying to present the truth that there were problems in the Niger delta, Koinage went to the extent of giving some inducements to hoodlums to put up a show in order to give the impression that the Niger Delta was "hellish and that Nigeria was in a state of civil war." It was found out that MEND, which Koinage claimed to report on, denied any involvement in the whole show.

When the Nigerian government protested, CNN stood strong and held onto their story as a complete truth. When Koinage was later implicated as having influenced and stage managed the show, the Nigerian government punished CNN by removing the advert contract it had with CNN; Koinage was made by CNN to pay the price. Whether Koinage lost his job because CNN lost the advertisement contract with the Nigerian government or because CNN felt that Koinage did what was ethically wrong is yet to be made clear. Some of the viewers questioned if CNN is going to give Mr.Cooper awards for similar unethical actions in Congo and Cameroon.

Some viewers also recalled how CNN aired "How to Rob a Bank,"which seemed to have given viewers the impression that there are more criminals in Nigeria than in other countries. Though there are some Nigerians who have gotten involved in some bank fraud, some viewers felt that CNN as a reputable communication company should have trained its reporters not to make some sweeping statements that could put both the innocent and the guilty in the same camp. There are thousands of Nigerians living in the United States who are very law abiding and doing their businesses in clean ways and without making troubles. These words, "some Nigerians," and "Nigerians," speak differently to viewers and readers. The use of the word "Some Nigerians," gives the viewer the impression that there are some Nigerians who are not involved in Bank robbery, while the use of the word "Nigerians," amounts to a fallacy of over generalization,which makes the viewer think that all Nigerians are bad. It is not the true picture of all Nigerians living in the US.

Interestingly, many viewers who are more politically conscious saw deeper meanings in Mr. Cooper's broadcast about the origin of HIV/AID in Africa. Such politically conscious viewers did not see Cooper as simply insulting Africans but as politicizing the origin of HIV/AIDS possibly for political gains. They asked questions, "Is it only in Africa that we have monkeys, gorillas, and chimpanzees?" Do we not have such apes in the Amazons of South America and in Asian jungles? What is Anderson Cooper's true intension for connecting human beings in Africa with apes at a period when Americans are about going to the polls? Are there some political implications of his actions?

To answer the above questions, some viewers who know American political and racial history recalled the crude political strategies of the 1700s and 1800s, when politicians and business men, for political and economic reasons, made people see blacks as unable or incapable of achieving what other Americans, especially Americans of European ancestry can achieve. To subjugate blacks as those who can only serve, instead of lead, politicians and business men used social scientists, biologists and theologians to propound false theories and ideologies that dehumanized blacks and presented the black person as sub human or closer to apes. They used "biblical, classical, and scientific arguments to stereotype blacks as limited in mental capacity, as ugly, lazy, promiscuous, odiferous, and dangerous, "(1) A concrete example was Carolus Linnaeus who in 1758 published his widely read Systema Naturae, in which he presented and described various species of the human person with some of these qualities:

Europaenus: white, sanguine, muscular, gentle, acute, and inventive, governed by laws.

Asiaticus: sallow, melancholy, stiff, severe, haughty, avaricious, ruled by opinions.

Americanus Indian: reddish, choleric, erect, obstinate, merry, and free, regulated by custom.

Afer: black, phlegmatic, relaxed, without sexual shame, crafty, indolent, negligent, governed by caprice.(2)

Linnaeus rated Afers last, and immediately after them, he put the orangutang, meaning ape or man of the woods, (3) This was the starting of thedeception of Americans about how they looked at themselves and how they looked at others. This wrong imagery of the black person as closer to apes of the jungles formed the minds of Euro Americans as early as the 1700s. To keep this imagery alive and to form the minds of the black person to believe that he or she is at the lowest racial formation of humanity, and so is incapable of achieving what other Americans can achieve, equal education, economic, and political freedoms were denied the black person for centuries.

However, blacks or Americans of African ancestry have never in history accepted that they are at the lowest level of humanity. They have always resisted this imagery of being incapable of leading or achieving what others have achieved or can achieve. This struggle to show that the black person is capable, gave rise to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and1960s. Though the Civil Rights Movement brought a dramatic change in making many Americans more tolerant of the blacks in politics and in other aspects of the American life, the mind set of not imagining the black person assuming some political and economic posts or heights in America is still very hard for some conservative Americans to accept, even if it means applying the crude political strategies of the past.

So when Anderson Cooper went to the jungles of Congo and Cameroon, and without scientific evidence declared in his AC 360 that HIV/AIDS started in African jungles where human beings share diseases with apes, many viewers recalled history and suspected or even concluded that Mr. Cooper must have been paid by some powerful conservative political folks to do what one viewer called a "political kill-job." A political kill job involves using his show AC 360 to start "a fire on racist straws in the minds of Americans voters" whose attention could easily be drawn to the origin of this deadly and mysterious disease HIV/AIDS in connection with Africa.

Cooper's arrow according to one viewer could be directed at Presidential candidate Barrack Obama who is of African ancestry. One of the most effective ways of dehumanizing Obama and to create bias in the minds of American voters is to take him back to his "unromanticised roots in Africa. Kenya's wild life tourism is not famous with HIV/AIDS infested lions and giraffes. So call in the jungles of the Congos and Cameroon for help." Not many Americans know the difference between Kenya, the Congos and Cameroon. By using the word "Africa," Mr. Cooper demonstrated ignorance of differentiation of African country and African continent hence deceived a lot of Americans to think that Africa is the size of a village or the size of a state in America.

So by presenting a theory similar to the old theories of the 1700s and 1800s that dehumanized the blacks and deprived them of equal political roles, the American voters may think twice preferring a black person for the highest political post in America. Anderson Cooper's AC 360 program is presently seen by many viewers as full of criticisms against Obama and full of comments connecting politics with race. Is Mr. Cooper really working for some conservative politicians? How do we keep him honest? Many viewers feel that this political strategy is not going to work because it is old fashioned strategy, based on deception. Americans can no longer be deceived either with the origin of HIV/AIDS or with the old image of the black person. Americans also know that the world is watching them to see if they can truly overcome the ugly politics of the past decades.

Apart from the political implications of Mr. Cooper's mission in Africa, some viewers also felt uncomfortable with his mission and wished that there be no repeat of what happened in 1932 when "400 poor black sharecroppers with late stage syphilis were part of a government-sponsored medical experiment to see how long it would take them to die if the disease was left untreated."(4) The Tuskegee experiment was discovered to have been based on a "dubious science,"(5) as the victims who taught that they were getting a true treatment were not really given a treatment for cure, even when the treatment for the disease had been found. The black men were used as specimen for experiments. Remembering such historical fact (Tuskegee scandal), many viewers prayed that there be no new mysterious diseases springing up from those jungles, among those apes, only to be tested in future and claimed to have originated from Africa. The credibility of CNN as a media institution is being questioned by many viewers, who also accuse it of putting profit before facts. Some see it as a media institution that is unable to enforce a code of truth and high standard of evidence on its producers, presenters and writers. Some CNN presenters are also being accused of feeling that their viewers are ignorant and unable to carry out a critical analysis of their media reports. Mr. Cooper presenting the origin of HIV/AIDS while still inside the jungle and before their cameras, without presenting to his viewers any scientific processes he carried out before reaching a conclusion is an example of playing with the intelligence of his viewers. CNN seems to be losing the confidence of many of its viewers.

While we acknowledge the efforts CNN is making to keep the public informed of current happenings all over the world, it really needs to keep its journalists honest and transcend acting as a propaganda machine. It can still regain the confidence of many of its viewers as THE MOST TRUSTE DNAME IN NEWS it claims.

Source:

http://article.wn.com/view/2008/07/02/Reactions_on_CNN_Anderson_Coopers_False_Presentation_on_Afri_o/

What an uninformed fellow you are

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

The HIV/AIDs origin from Africa theory actually has extremely strong scientific backing.

A simple Google search would have sufficed to show you how silly your words are. Outrage at a media presentation is no excuse for the abdication of common sense.

This is too long, pls summarise it  

@texazzpete

why is it that everytime you come across so high and mighty. ,  . . . pompous and all knowing

your style sabi cause abrasions sha

thats why we should support our own ait to go fully international,the muslim middle east got fed up of being mis represented and supported aljazeera english and arabic,now they dont rely on cnn,fox and the rest also they can put their own side of the story foward, if we had a fully functional international ait on the level of al jazeera,why would nigeria be doing adverts with cnn in the first place,i soo wish ait will get to that level because the perfect vehicle they need now to project themselves into the international scene is the niger delta struggle just like al jazeera used iraq

doyin13:

@texazzpete

why is it that sometimes you come across so high and mighty. , . . . pompous and all knowing

are you suprised?why dyu think nigerians get pushed around all round the world

youngies:

This is too long, please summarise it

lmao, . . . I also don't have d patience,

lucabrasi:

iraqare you suprised?why dyu think nigerians get pushed around all round the world

It's more because we perish from lack of knowledge.

it shouldn't be a slur that the scientific world thinks that a virus carried by apes in africa mutated into a human virus. It has been proved that Europeans introduced smallpox and other diseases into North America, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of indians and incans. No one is up in arms about this. Ditto rats moving to Australia in the holds of british ocean going vessels.

doyin13:

@texazzpete

why is it that everytime you come across so high and mighty. , . . . pompous and all knowing

your style sabi cause abrasions sha

My 'anger' comes from frustration and irritation. We are supposed to be a highly intelligent people and we still make basic mistakes like forgetting to research. Why should he say stuff like

courage89:

Many viewers of Cooper's AC 360 who know very well that what he presented about the origin of HIV/AIDS was based on mere speculations,instead of proven scientific facts, felt deceived and misinformed.

When it is extremely easy to verify such information on the internet? When you get outraged for the wrong reason, doesn't it paint you as rather silly?

Or do we agree with Chris Rock when he jests that "Nothing makes a Nigger more afraid than books"?


The tie-in to Obama and the US election is pretty amusing, for what it's worth.

Africans too should start publicizing good things about Africa. Why Blame Anderson Cooper ? Where is our own Anderson Cooper ? What are our journalists busy doing ? 

Abeg jare, me I don tire.

Africans too need to be responsible for their own continent. why get angry ? 


The SIV is not that same as the HIV oooh?. It is believed that the SIV has similar characteristics to the HIV virus because of the Human/Animal contact,  but NO ONE can prove HIV is from Africa. Its only based on speculation.

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Origin-of-HIV-and-the-Start-of-AIDS&id=336583

http://www.aidsorigins.com/
there are a lot of people who believe the hiv strain came from hunters in africa and there are some who disagree

I refuse to believe that Anderson said that until i see it myself. I watch him every night and he is a seasoned journalist ! Is this another Oprah story?? Nigerians, quit making up stories and listen to what these people says b/4 you accuse them of this or that.

we always get angry when anything we think to be bad against us is coming from outside - but why not when they are coming from inside.
look at obj almost destroying AIT for airing his third term agenda in the house. what a shame? look at mugabe, indirectly killing his own people day by day - why?
look at practically all the african leaders, trace their big investments and u will see that they (our rulers) do not even have faith in their own economy.
why are we always blaming the west for calling us inferior when we call ourselves inferior on daily bases.
how many nigerians have been killed of late in indonesia and how many are on death row for drug related offences? how many of us are dying on daily bases in the algerian deserts? what happened to our roads, electricty, water supply, security and other infrastructures? we can equally blame the west for all these.
it is time for us to look back to where we have gone wrong. it is time we starting thinking positively on ways forward, think of how to elect rather than select our rulers. these wars on corruption shld be made a real war rather than a proggramed war on rivals and opositions.
it is time we ban our rulers from traveling abroad for treatment. it is time to change our way of thinking.
we have to embrace the west to understand why they reason the way the do and why they do their best to call a spade a spade.
follow up with this anderson cooper's matter and u will see a thorough investigation by cnn and at the end u will see him resign as a sign of remorse.
but follow borrishade(a proffessor) as minister of education and u will see that when the cries of the masses became unbearable obj cld do nothing but shifting him to the aviation ministry and the man had no option than introducing his calamity expertriate as he made history with a record number of air misharps. did he end there and the answer is no - he was shifted to culture and youth ministry and we can testify to the down going of our movie industries. does these shameful things happen over there and i can't even hear anyone say NO.
we have to accept the fact that we are a failed people.

chidichris:

we always get angry when anything we think to be bad against us is coming from outside - but why not when they are coming from inside.
look at obj almost destroying AIT for airing his third term agenda in the house. what a shame? look at mugabe, indirectly killing his own people day by day - why?
look at practically all the african leaders, trace their big investments and u will see that they (our rulers) do not even have faith in their own economy.
why are we always blaming the west for calling us inferior when we call ourselves inferior on daily bases.
how many nigerians have been killed of late in indonesia and how many are on death row for drug related offences? how many of us are dying on daily bases in the algerian deserts? what happened to our roads, electricty, water supply, security and other infrastructures? we can equally blame the west for all these.
it is time for us to look back to where we have gone wrong. it is time we starting thinking positively on ways forward, think of how to elect rather than select our rulers. these wars on corruption shld be made a real war rather than a proggramed war on rivals and opositions.
it is time we ban our rulers from traveling abroad for treatment. it is time to change our way of thinking.
we have to embrace the west to understand why they reason the way the do and why they do their best to call a spade a spade.
follow up with this anderson cooper's matter and u will see a thorough investigation by cnn and at the end u will see him resign as a sign of remorse.
but follow borrishade(a proffessor) as minister of education and u will see that when the cries of the masses became unbearable obj cld do nothing but shifting him to the aviation ministry and the man had no option than introducing his calamity expertriate as he made history with a record number of air misharps. did he end there and the answer is no - he was shifted to culture and youth ministry and we can testify to the down going of our movie industries. does these shameful things happen over there and i can't even hear anyone say NO.
we have to accept the fact that we are a failed people.

So because our leaders lack the moral and ethical capabilities to provide, and lead the country in the path of righteousness; does that give any western or even our own (African) journalist the right to publish / air unproven or half baked information?

texazzpete:

It's more because we perish from lack of knowledge.

it shouldn't be a slur that the scientific world thinks that a virus carried by apes in africa mutated into a human virus. It has been proved that Europeans introduced smallpox and other diseases into North America, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of indians and incans. No one is up in arms about this. Ditto rats moving to Australia in the holds of british ocean going vessels.

My 'anger' comes from frustration and irritation. We are supposed to be a highly intelligent people and we still make basic mistakes like forgetting to research. Why should he say stuff like

When it is extremely easy to verify such information on the internet? When you get outraged for the wrong reason, doesn't it paint you as rather silly?

Or do we agree with Chris Rock when he jests that "Nothing makes a Nigger more afraid than books"?


The tie-in to Obama and the US election is pretty amusing, for what it's worth.

Right on!

courage89:

So because our leaders lack the moral and ethical capabilities to provide, and lead the country in the path of righteousness; does that give any western or even our own (African) journalist the right to publish / air unproven or half baked information?

What the heck has science of AIDS to do with your leaders??

all those shouting and claiming that we are equal or better than the people living in the west should provide evidence to support their claims, a people that can not feed, cloth, educate,take care of their sick and provide basic amenities and infastructure for them selves in the 21st century are not supposed to be taken seriously at all what ever the case might be.

Kobojunkie:

What the heck has science of AIDS to do with your leaders??

chidichris:

we always get angry when anything we think to be bad against us is coming from outside - but why not when they are coming from inside.
look at obj almost destroying AIT for airing his third term agenda in the house. what a shame? look at mugabe, indirectly killing his own people day by day - why?
look at practically all the african leaders, trace their big investments and u will see that they (our rulers) do not even have faith in their own economy.
why are we always blaming the west for calling us inferior when we call ourselves inferior on daily bases.
how many nigerians have been killed of late in indonesia and how many are on death row for drug related offences? how many of us are dying on daily bases in the algerian deserts? what happened to our roads, electricty, water supply, security and other infrastructures? we can equally blame the west for all these.
it is time for us to look back to where we have gone wrong. it is time we starting thinking positively on ways forward, think of how to elect rather than select our rulers. these wars on corruption shld be made a real war rather than a proggramed war on rivals and opositions.
it is time we ban our rulers from traveling abroad for treatment. it is time to change our way of thinking.
we have to embrace the west to understand why they reason the way the do and why they do their best to call a spade a spade.
follow up with this anderson cooper's matter and u will see a thorough investigation by cnn and at the end u will see him resign as a sign of remorse.
but follow borrishade(a proffessor) as minister of education and u will see that when the cries of the masses became unbearable obj cld do nothing but shifting him to the aviation ministry and the man had no option than introducing his calamity expertriate as he made history with a record number of air misharps. did he end there and the answer is no - he was shifted to culture and youth ministry and we can testify to the down going of our movie industries. does these shameful things happen over there and i can't even hear anyone say NO.
we have to accept the fact that we are a failed people.

My reply was because of those bolded section.

texazzpete:

What an uninformed fellow you are

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

The HIV/AIDs origin from Africa theory actually has extremely strong scientific backing.

A simple Google search would have sufficed to show you how silly your words are. Outrage at a media presentation is no excuse for the abdication of common sense.

@ texazzpete

My man,

These are not my words; you should have seen where this article came from. To the bolded portion, I’ll let the sleeping dogs lie… we’re all civilized people.

I hope you don’t believe every news and publication from Google. Most of these information are not regulated you know (checked for accuracy), so how can you deduce the truth from most of them.

With all these internet publication on the origination of aids, how can we prove their accuracy? How can we prove that AID is not just another failed experiment that was conducted on Africans for crying out loud? Day in day out, we hear about all these pharmaceutical companies conducting research everywhere…using Africans as scape goat to test their theories. The case of Pfizer spring to mind. “Pfizer violated international law during a 1996 epidemic by testing an unapproved drug on children with brain infections at a field hospital”. This happened right here in Nigeria. You need to also see the movie “Constant Gardner” to understand what I’m talking about.

courage89:

@ texazzpete

My man,

These are not my words; you should have seen where this article came from. To the bolded portion, I’ll let the sleeping dogs lie… we’re all civilized people.

I hope you don’t believe every news and publication from Google. Most of these information are not regulated you know (checked for accuracy), so how can you deduce the truth from most of them.

With all these internet publication on the origination of aids, how can we prove their accuracy? How can we prove that AID is not just another failed experiment that was conducted on Africans for crying out loud? Day in day out, we hear about all these pharmaceutical companies conducting research everywhere…using Africans as scape goat to test their theories. The case of Pfizer spring to mind. “Pfizer violated international law during a 1996 epidemic by testing an unapproved drug on children with brain infections at a field hospital”. This happened right here in Nigeria. You need to also see the movie “Constant Gardner” to understand what I’m talking about.

For the sake of sanity and civility, can I urge that you please read up and do research before starting such threads as these?? I don't understand why hearing that AIDS is most likely to have originated from africa upsets you or anything. Why take such things to heart?? Scientists also believe that Africa is the cradle of life, does that upset you as well??

AFter you wrote

courage89:

@ texazzpete

My man,

These are not my words; you should have seen where this article came from.

I was willing to apologize for my harsh words. then i saw

courage89:



I hope you don’t believe every news and publication from Google. Most of these information are not regulated you know (checked for accuracy), so how can you deduce the truth from most of them.

And was shocked that you do not know that Google is merely a search engine.
As for the information, when a body of eminent scientists lend their name to a theory, it becomes the most accurate theory to date.

But that wasn't the shocker. This was

courage89:

How can we prove that AID is not just another failed experiment that was conducted on Africans for crying out loud? Day in day out, we hear about all these pharmaceutical companies conducting research everywhere…using Africans as scape goat to test their theories. The case of Pfizer spring to mind. “Pfizer violated international law during a 1996 epidemic by testing an unapproved drug on children with brain infections at a field hospital”. This happened right here in Nigeria. You need to also see the movie “Constant Gardner” to understand what I’m talking about.

I began to get upset all over again. You see, any ape knows that science experiments are done in controlled environments to prevent leaks or outbreaks. That's why the CDC in the US can study the ebola virus for a cure without it breaking out and killing a huge swathe of Americans.

For someone educated to imagine that an experiment with a virus would be conducted on Africans and let loose, in the same Africa that millions of western tourists visit yearly. . .that person must have a block of wood for a brain.

Using the Pfizer case which involved the use of a drug, not a virus is clearly a sign of desperation. Is it so hard to distinguish between a synthetic drug and a pathogen?

If you are a scientist, you can tell us that HIV/AIDS originated from Africe. i.e. You found out by research that this is so.

But pleaseeee, stop quoting the same people who belong to the era of scientists that performed the Tuskegee experiment.

Please, understand my argument. I’m not saying AID did not erupt from Africa, and I’m not saying it did. All I’m simply saying is that, this has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before we can entertain it as fact. I understand people can conduct experiment and prove legitimacy of certain theory; can we all believe that all these experiment are conducted in good faith. Do we know the motives behind their theory?

@ texazzpete

I used Pfizer because it pertains to the situation where there is an adverse effect of certain theories. I guess you will rather I use genetically modified organism as an example. Their drugs include GMO or genetically engineered organism whose genetic material has been altered to create what they want (I guess you know that already). Do we know fully the adverse effect of these new organisms?

And I’m pretty sure that you don’t know that “ebola virus” also came from Africa (based on their claim).

ayinba1:

If you are a scientist, you can tell us that HIV/AIDS originated from Africe. i.e. You found out by research that this is so.

But pleaseeee, stop quoting the same people who belong to the era of scientists that performed the Tuskegee experiment.

and also the positivist school whose experiments were in a controlled environment,and whose assertions were also supported to this day by eminebt scientists of their time
http://criminaljustice.csusb.edu/cfamega/CJUS320/6Biogenic&Psychogenic.pdf
amongst many many sources,and they ll claim to this day that eminent scientists lent their names to it too

courage89:

Please, understand my argument. I’m not saying AID did not erupt from Africa, and I’m not saying it did. All I’m simply saying is that, this has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt before we can entertain it as fact. I understand people can conduct experiment and prove legitimacy of certain theory; can we all believe that all these experiment are conducted in good faith. Do we know the motives behind their theory?

But @Poster, You ask for proof but fact is we can NEVER have absolute proof of anything and so science is not based on absolute proof but on supported proof. As of this very time, that basically supports the claim that it comes from Africa. A better understanding of science and what it is about might help here. Research up to this point points to AIDS originating from Africa. Maybe 10 years down the line, some researchers will come up with some information refuting that but as of now, we do not have those and so the man is able to make that claim today. I can tell you from experience that majority of the research IS conducted with no bias against one people or another. I used to be in research myself until a couple of years ago and I don't believe the scientific community is necessarily biased in this case.

Can we please start behaving like the educated minds we claim to be? This fear that the "West" is against us does our intellect more bad than good and is the reason africa remains as is.

@luc

Are you a scientist? It was a little hard to follow what you had to say. I am, so my question is pretty simple and straightforward.

ayinba1:

@luc

Are you a scientist? It was a little hard to follow what you had to say. I am, so my question is pretty simple and straightforward.

far from it,im not i was backing up ur comments that scientists can conduct experiments in a controlled environment and back each other up and also adding that scientists from the 1800s till even now conducted controlled experiments and concluded that physical stigmatas determine what species of humans will likely be criminals,they also concluded that criminality is biological and also that black people have some atavistic throwbacks to support the false assumptions its difficult to explain but the link will break it down properly,the group of scientists who believe in that racist experiment till now are a group called the positivistschool of criminology

ayinba1:

If you are a scientist, you can tell us that HIV/AIDS originated from Africe. i.e. You found out by research that this is so.

But pleaseeee, stop quoting the same people who belong to the era of scientists that performed the Tuskegee experiment.

Tuskegee experiment 1932 - 1972

Some recent research into origin of HIV came as recent as 2006. I remember reading about one even in late 2006 in the Guardian newspapers

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_origin for more info on the origin of HIV.
In fact, the origin of HIV with respect to African chimpanzees is not even in serious doubt. Any debate existing is how it transited from African chimpanzees to human beings.
Lucabrasi, take note of the text in bold above and go look at that Ed Hooper link you provided in your first post

@ayinba1
For a scientist, you're a little short on research aren't you? That's a shame, really. I'm an engineer and still i'm far more research happy than you are.

lucabrasi:

far from it,im not i was backing up your comments that scientists can conduct experiments in a controlled environment and back each other up and also adding that scientists from the 1800s till even now conducted controlled experiments and concluded that physical stigmatas determine what species of humans will likely be criminals,they also concluded that criminality is biological and also that black people have some atavistic throwbacks to support the false assumptions its difficult to explain but the link will break it down properly,the group of scientists who believe in that racist experiment till now are a group called the positivistschool of criminology

There's a huge logical leap between experiments conducted in the 1800s and research carried out (NOT EXPERIMENTS!!)

ayinba is referring to experiments on humans. How could an analysis of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in chimps and old samples of early HIV cases involve human experimentation?

Paranoia still remains a mental illness. We ought not to let our bias turn us into jumping at shadows.

texazzpete:


Paranoia still remains a mental illness. We ought not to let our bias turn us into jumping at shadows.

ROFLMAO!!

texazzpete:

There's a huge logical leap between experiments conducted in the 1800s and research carried out (NOT EXPERIMENTS!!)

ayinba is referring to experiments on humans. How could an analysis of the Simian Immunodeficiency Virus found in chimps and old samples of early HIV cases involve human experimentation?

Paranoia still remains a mental illness. We ought not to let our bias turn us into jumping at shadows.

well first off i think you should read about stuffs before shooting your mouth off indiscriminately,positivisim is still widely being bandied about till date and have a large following,it started in the 1800s and not happened just then,but it seems in your haste to reply with your usual verbal barbs u forgot to do some basic primary school research on it.

i dont know what he/she was goin on about and i didnt immerse myself in the main topic apart from just observing and dropping general comments because i dont know anything about hiv and its origins apart from what i v come across online.
if you went back to read my comments a little bit slowly so you ll understand,you ll discover that i never reffered to what you all were on about,i only used my refference because contrary to some people's misplaced believes, european/caucasian scientists have had controlled experiments AND RESEARCHS where they have backed each other up and publicised it only to find out it is utter falsehood so dont tell me about paranoia when there has been instances like that in the past
btw,hope you know that racial cleansing, hiter and all of that started with positivist ideals and these ideals are still around and believed to this day,also body shape e.t.c and yes i know what ayiba was on about the tuskegee thing with black american sharecroppers and how they were left to rot away

lucabrasi:

well first off i think you should read about stuffs before shooting your mouth off indiscriminately,positivisim is still widely being bandied about till date and have a large following,it started in the 1800s and not happened just then,but it seems in your haste to reply with your usual verbal barbs u forgot to do some basic primary school research on it.

i don't know what he/she was goin on about and i didnt immerse myself in the main topic apart from just observing and dropping general comments because i don't know anything about hiv and its origins apart from what i v come across online.
if you went back to read my comments a little bit slowly so you ll understand,you ll discover that i never reffered to what you all were on about,i only used my refference because contrary to some people's misplaced believes, european/caucasian scientists have had controlled experiments AND RESEARCHS where they have backed each other up and publicised it only to find out it is utter falsehood so don't tell me about paranoia when there has been instances like that in the past
between,hope you know that racial cleansing, hiter and all of that started with positivist ideals and these ideals are still around and believed to this day,also body shape e.t.c and yes i know what ayiba was on about the tuskegee thing with black american sharecroppers and how they were left to rot away

Tuskegee and positivism as a concept have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, unless you can prove that all scientist involved with research into the origins of HIV are al positivists. Naturally you'd have to explain why magazines like Rolling Stone which did a piece on the origins of HIV did not identify rampant positivism amongst all the researchers.

Mentioning the Tuskegee experiment is even less intelligent. HIV origin research has no need for any human test subject. The HIV virus has long been analysed and dissected. What remains is a historical research into the historical facts on the emergence of HIV ,a s well as a detailed study of the SIV for similarities to HIV -1.
How does an experiment conducted on humans inthe 1930s become an analogy for that?