What was he?

The prophet's father was a pagan. That much, I know......

Ask google

lanrexlan: Ask google

Lol.

Logicbwoy: What was he?

The prophet's father was a pagan. That much, I know......

Are you a learner?

Logicbwoy: What was he?

The prophet's father was a pagan. That much, I know......

the Prophet's (sa) father was no pagan.he was a HANIF (literally "monotheist" who followed the religion of Abraham).moreover there is a hadith from the Prophet (sa) that states that from Adam (as),he (sa) never (in respect of ancestry) was in the loins of a polytheist/idolater or zani (adulterer).

as for the religion of the Prophet (sa), before the revelation of verse 5:55-"This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion"-the same can be asked about any prophet from Adam (as) to Jesus (as),before Prophet Muhammad (sa).what was their religion? it is from the unique and truthful nature of Islam that you find its name stated in its holy book.in the bible,you cannot find "Christianity" or "Judaism" stated/named therein or enforced upon mankind as God's revealed or sanctioned religion that humanity must adhere to.furthermore,this connects with the fact that Prophet Muhammad (sa) is the final prophet and messenger of God through whom God completed all His messages to mankind and finalized them.in other words God's teachings became institutionalized under Islam with the coming of Prophet Muhammad (sa).Prophet Muhammad (sa) became the success of the prophets in establishing God's complete and perfect religion on earth.Jesus (as) did not claim to be Christian.Moses (as) did not claim to be a Judaist.they all called to the worship of One God and to obey His commandments (an act synonymous with the word "Islam",which is "to submit" to God's will).with the completion of the mission,God finally said this is the religion called "Islam" that we as humans must follow to get closer to our Creator,and be guided and to attain salvation.

in essence Prophet Muhammad (sa) as all prophets before him were "muslims" in belief and actions, but not by name, before the revelations of the Quran.you can call him also a "Hanif" as his ancestors were,and it is fine.

thats true @lagosshia. i rememba dat it was sed that prophet ibrahim was on a religion of hanif i.e monotheism. it wasnt caled islam then. Thus,:if Abdullah the father of muhammad had a religion or a belief, it was HANIF

See lies.

Hanif? That is a muslim invention to circumvent the fact that the pre-islamic Arabs were pagans....mushrikun....

Why would Muhammad ask God to forgive his mother-

Book 004, Number 2129:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger, (may peace be upon him) as saying: I sought permission to beg forgiveness for my mother, but He did not grant it to me. I sought permission from Him to visit her grave, and He granted it (permission) to me.

Logicbwoy: See lies.

Hanif? That is a muslim invention to circumvent the fact that the pre-islamic Arabs were pagans....mushrikun....

pre-Islamic arabs were pagans,no doubt.but quite a number of them were not and they insisted on not committing idolatry.

Why would Muhammad ask God to forgive his mother-

Book 004, Number 2129:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger, (may peace be upon him) as saying: I sought permission to beg forgiveness for my mother, but He did not grant it to me. I sought permission from Him to visit her grave, and He granted it (permission) to me.

I think you should review the below once more:
https://www.nairaland.com/1501204/how-true-narrations-sahih-bukhari

the same issue relates to Abu Talib (as),who is also declared an "idolater",but in fact was not only hanif but he embraced Islam before his death.

the hadith of Abu Hureira bears no value to me:
http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-digital-islamic-library-project-team/abu-hurairah-or-paul

LagosShia:

pre-Islamic arabs were pagans,no doubt.but quite a number of them were not and they insisted on not committing idolatry.



I think you should review the below once more:
https://www.nairaland.com/1501204/how-true-narrations-sahih-bukhari

the same issue relates to Abu Talib (as),who is also declared an "idolater",but in fact was not only hanif but he embraced Islam before his death.

the hadith of Abu Hureira bears no value to me:
http://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-digital-islamic-library-project-team/abu-hurairah-or-paul

Your Shia and Sunni go kill person one day....I am a non muslim- how am I supposed to keep up with the true and false hadith?

Soon now, Wahabbi/Salafist will come with their own approved hadith. I give up



That being said....Hanif is nothing....no sensible description of the religion whatsoever on the internet....nothing.

The only verifiable fact regarding the Prophet's parents is that they lived among pagans......pre-islamic pagans. Your hanif has no description

-how do they worship?
-what is their religious book
-what was the name that they called their monotheistic God?


FALSE.

Logicbwoy:

Your Shia and Sunni go kill person one day....I am a non muslim- how am I supposed to keep up with the true and false hadith?

Soon now, Wahabbi/Salafist will come with their own approved hadith. I give up

nothing Shia and Sunni here.i am talking to you.

the hadith that states the Prophet (sa) did not inhabit the loins of a polytheist or an adulterer is accepted by both Sunnis and Shia.

the case of Abu Talib (as) has to do with Sunni and Shia for some reasons.

That being said....Hanif is nothing....no sensible description of the religion whatsoever on the internet....nothing.

here is something from the internet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanif

The only verifiable fact regarding the Prophet's parents is that they lived among pagans......pre-islamic pagans. Your hanif has no description

does living among pagans make one a pagan? by that every indian is meant to be hindu and never muslim or anything else.

-how do they worship?

they worshipped according to their tradition believed to be in accordance with the faith of Abraham (as).

-what is their religious book

they never had any in particular I know of.in fact even the Israelite prophets to a large extent did not leave behind any religious book in written form that people could tangibly point to.people penned down what they heard of teachings and stories.

-what was the name that they called their monotheistic God?

Allah (swt).

FALSE.

TRUE.

LagosShia:

nothing Shia and Sunni here.i am talking to you.

the hadith that states the Prophet (sa) did not inhabit the loins of a polytheist or an adulterer is accepted by both Sunnis and Shia.

the case of Abu Talib (as) has to do with Sunni and Shia for some reasons.



here is something from the internet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanif



does living among pagans make one a pagan? by that every indian is meant to be hindu and never muslim or anything else.


they worshipped according to their tradition believed to be in accordance with the faith of Abraham (as).


they never had any in particular I know of.in fact even the Israelite prophets to a large extent did not leave behind any religious book in written form that people could tangibly point to.people penned down what they heard of teachings and stories.


Allah (swt).



TRUE.

I went to the wikipedia page on Hanif before I made my previous comment. Even wikipedia admits that the page is riddled with assertions and unverifiable claims



There is nothing on that religion. No lets compare real Abrahamic religions

1) Samaritarianism
*Holy book- Samaritan Pentateuch
*God- Nergal

2) Essene faith
*Holy book- Dead Sea scrolls
*God- Yahweh


Where is the info on your Hanif religion?

Not even 3 lines on the practices of the hanif religion.

Logicbwoy:



I went to the wikipedia page on Hanif before I made my previous comment. Even wikipedia admits that the page is riddled with assertions and unverifiable claims



There is nothing on that religion. No lets compare real Abrahamic religions

1) Samaritarianism
*Holy book- Samaritan Pentateuch
*God- Nergal

2) Essene faith
*Holy book- Dead Sea scrolls
*God- Yahweh


Where is the info on your Hanif religion?

Not even 3 lines on the practices of the hanif religion.

ah no know y the hanif matter dey hard you to believe...weda its true or not shudnt make yu sweat ds point..yu have made ur points and its welcome....there is no hanif, there is no book thereto...fine!!
are you ok nau?

Logicbwoy:



I went to the wikipedia page on Hanif before I made my previous comment. Even wikipedia admits that the page is riddled with assertions and unverifiable claims



There is nothing on that religion. No lets compare real Abrahamic religions

1) Samaritarianism
*Holy book- Samaritan Pentateuch
*God- Nergal

2) Essene faith
*Holy book- Dead Sea scrolls
*God- Yahweh


Where is the info on your Hanif religion?

Not even 3 lines on the practices of the hanif religion.

please can you point out where I said the "hanif" path was a religion in the sense of Christianity,islam and Judaism? it is a path/ideology/model/idea/belief/faith (call it as you may,but not established man-made religion) people lived by in the footsteps of their ancestors by not worshipping idols.that is all.in fact I took the stress to detail for you that it is only in the Quran as an holy book where God is stated to have said "this (Islam) is my religion".no other religion in any holy book is proclaimed or stated.likewise I explained that the prophets before Prophet Muhammad (sa) never declare any religion or state its name.they only proclaimed the messages of God and taught people how to obey God and live spiritual lives and what to avoid.the hanifs can be likened to the Israelites before Judaism.it is not a religion because the Prophet (sa) could not have followed any religion other than Islam.however it is a model of monotheism for those who insisted not to worship idols as their contemporaries did before the completion and proclamation of God's religion on earth (Islam).

your confusion is borne out of fusing words where they don't belong and then using your own ideas to assume.

you are nice enough to re-explain dat!

LagosShia:

please can you point out where I said the "hanif" path was a religion in the sense of Christianity,islam and Judaism? it is a path/ideology/model/idea/belief/faith (call it as you may,but not established man-made religion) people lived by in the footsteps of their ancestors by not worshipping idols.that is all.in fact I took the stress to detail for you that it is only in the Quran as an holy book where God is stated to have said "this (Islam) is my religion".no other religion in any holy book is proclaimed or stated.likewise I explained that the prophets before Prophet Muhammad (sa) never declare any religion or state its name.they only proclaimed the messages of God and taught people how to obey God and live spiritual lives and what to avoid. the hanifs can be likened to the Israelites before Judaism. it is not a religion because the Prophet (sa) could not have followed any religion other than Islam.however it is a model of monotheism for those who insisted not to worship idols as their contemporaries did before the completion and proclamation of God's religion on earth (Islam).

your confusion is borne out of fusing words where they don't belong and then using your own ideas to assume.

The Isrealites (or better yet, the people that lived in their lands) had pagan (polytheists) religions before Judaism. To compare them with hanif is quite silly

You seem to forget that in this area, I would be 10 times more knowledgeable than you. As someone who was an educated christian, I would easily grasp some Jewish history.



I repeat; Hanif is a lie. A fabrication made to cover up the widespread paganism before islam.

Logicbwoy:



The Isrealites (or better yet, the people that lived in their lands) had pagan (polytheists) religions before Judaism. To compare them with hanif is quite silly

You seem to forget that in this area, I would be 10 times more knowledgeable than you. As someone who was an educated christian, I would easily grasp some Jewish history.



I repeat; Hanif is a lie. A fabrication made to cover up the widespread paganism before islam.

your point is noted now....move!