GeneralShepherd:

So are you saying that God is just being theatrical? Because I see no reason why God will create Adam and Eve and they sin like He knew they will,then He starts being sorrowful and dramatic!! He knew Adam and Eve will sin why is He grieving? Did he somehow wish Adam and Eve will surprise Him?

Mr Troll: I'm afraid i fail to see the connection.

GeneralShepherd:

Still my point,if I feel sorry for my actions means I simply did not know my actions would yield unfavourable results;hence I wouldn't be sorry or regret those actions!

Goshen360:

God knows any man will sin but would be grieved in heart how we know already and still subject ourselves to sinful temptation. It is to whom you yield yourself to (subjective will), to such you're slave.

GeneralShepherd:

So are you saying that God is just being theatrical? Because I see no reason why God will create Adam and Eve and they sin like He knew they will,then He starts being sorrowful and dramatic!! He knew Adam and Eve will sin why is He grieving? Did he somehow wish Adam and Eve will surprise Him?

Mr Troll: He's omniscient yet gets angry when stuff happens. Funny

Mr Troll: Una bye. I no fit dumb myself any further.

frosbel: God has never been wicked. It is man who is utterly wicked.

People and nations are still being judged for their wickedness as we speak. The nations deserve to be punished for throwing their children into fires, practicing temple prostitution, bowing before dumb idols , scams , human trafficking, slavery, greed , destroying the beauty of Gods creation , r.apes, destroying our youth with drugs, and performing all sorts of unspeakable acts of wickedness.

I personally cannot wait till God purges this earth from all the scum of mankind, I truly cannot wait till such a time comes, let this earth be renewed and let us have peace and love once and for all.

God is always just and will remain so for eternity.

And in case you think the old testament is bad, just wait till the day of the Lord when he shall rid the world of all evil and wickedness with a blazing sword.

frosbel: Goshen bro , God is still judging people right now , many wars are in fact judgement against the wickedness of man etc.

The fact that we have escaped this thus far in our life time, is due to the grace of GOD.

GeneralShepherd:

So it is the war mongering Quaran than is the immutable word of God ba? Religious delusion! Allah the name that has been used to wreck havoc on most modern civilisations.

Only cave men should worship Allah

GeneralShepherd:

So it is the war mongering Quaran than is the immutable word of God ba? Religious delusion! Allah the name that has been used to wreck havoc on most modern civilisations.

Goshen360: Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now.

Goshen360:
Do you know Abraham, the father of us who are of faith,

Goshen360: did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God?

Goshen360:
Don't jump at me now, does that mean a Christian can do same crazy stuffs as Abraham?

Goshen360:
Certainly not! Oh, I love God.

Goshen360: Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now.

Goshen360:
Do you know Abraham, the father of us who are of faith,

Goshen360: did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God?

Goshen360:
Don't jump at me now, does that mean a Christian can do same crazy stuffs as Abraham?

Goshen360:
Certainly not! Oh, I love God.

shdemidemi:

God does not change, He remains God but His programme changes according to His sovereign will. Thesame God that chose the nation of Israel in the old chose the church(primarily Gentiles/non Jews) in the new.

plaetton:

God does not change , but his program changes.
In other words, god does not evolve like every living thing, but his programs, his ideals change and evolve?

And in your opinion, god still does not change?

Reyginus: Indeed plaetton is his program and not his character

plaetton:

Pls read your post again.

Is his program not borne out of his character?

In other words, God's unchanging character is infinite love, but his program, seperate from his character, includes extreme cruelty, mass murder, genocide, infanticide, favoritism, partiality in justice, gross injustice, and unforgiveness?

Is that what you are saying?

Reyginus: Lol. You still don't the point. The character is what makes an entity distinct from other entities.
It's the reason I can never be plaetton nor plaetton me.
So long as the character remains unaltered we cannot say that He has changed.

plaetton:

Oh religion!
Na wa wa.

God changes from the mass murderer of the old testament to a repentant loving god of the new testament,
And here you are , Sir Reyginus, telling us the character(whatever that means) of your clearly invisible, inaudible, odorless and weightless god remains the same.

That is what we refer to as cognitive dissonance.

Reyginus: This is my first time of seeing the words. Please educate me. I'm serious.
Also plaetton, what do you think makes you you?

plaetton:

My genes, a combination of DNA from My father's gene pool and from my mother gene pool that have evolved through the ages.

plaetton:
I am also a product of my social environment. I have absorbed all the traits of my environment ,including my education, and have been evolving with them.

plaetton:

So, even if your god was a biological entity, he has to evolve in order to be alive.

plaetton:


There is no static form in existence. The primordial and sellf-existent energy that condensed into the physical universe, is itself dynamic in a state of constant flux.

plaetton:


The idea of a unchanging god highlights the fact that god is a mental construct born out of the ignorance of ancient stone-age peoples.

plaetton:

If god exists in whatever form, then he must , per universal law, evolve with the universe.

plaetton:

My genes, a combination of DNA from My father's gene pool and from my mother gene pool that have evolved through the ages.
I am also a product of my social environment. I have absorbed all the traits of my environment ,including my education, and have been evolving with them.

So, even if your god was a biological entity, he has to evolve in order to be alive. There is no static form in existence. The primordial and self-existent energy that condensed into the physical universe, is itself dynamic in a state of constant flux.

The idea of a unchanging god highlights the fact that god is a mental construct born out of the ignorance of ancient stone-age peoples.

If god exists in whatever form, then he must , as per universal law, evolve with the universe.

Joshthefirst: nonsense.

The bolded statement made by you has reduced your post to arrant nonsense.

Self-existent energy. Chai.

It even debunks everything about modern science and life itself.

plaetton:

Ignorance is such a terrible but forgivable thing.
But complex ignorance always deserves to be mocked and scorned.

You must have skipped through both primary and secondary school.
In junior secondary school was where we all learned that energy and matter cannot neither be created nor destroyed, both can only transform from one form to another.

Apparently you did not learn that, or, your bible school education unlearned it for you.
Pity.
And You have the nerve to come and display such disgraceful ignorance in public.
Na you sabi.

Reyginus:
It doesn't really bridge the gap that distincts two different beings. It only tells why they are of the same specie.
You have a point here. I still think these traits are not what make one unique.

Reyginus:

My reason is, if your statement is true, it will only entail that a people living in the same environment and with the same level of education are the same characters. Correct me if i'm wrong.

Reyginus:

What do you mean by this?

I don't understand the meaning of the above.

Reyginus:

This is a lie and I think you should know it.
Whatever must have being the first cause must be something that doesn't and wouldn't require a cause.
The ability to experience change makes such entity causable. Something outside it must be responsible for the change.
Then it will be wrong to call such an entity the first cause.

Reyginus:

Whatever must have being the first cause must be something that doesn't and wouldn't require a cause.
The ability to experience change makes such entity causable. Something outside it must be responsible for the change.
Then it will be wrong to call such an entity the first cause.

Joshthefirst:
it is foolish for you to use thermodynamic laws as a reason to claim energy is self existent and go on to claim it has evolved everything we see today.

If you cannot see the foolishness in that, then I cannot say anything. It would be of no point.

plaetton:

Every human being has different DNA sequence than others. So DNA, environmental, social factors and experience all combine to create an individual character.

plaetton:


Well, people born and bred in a certain environment tend to act in similar fashion. That is from whence we get personality profiling.
A psychologists and the FBI and other intelligence agencies use education,social and environmental factor to accurately profile an individual for criminal or other tendencies.
It is a tried and trusted science.
It is DNA and a person's personal history that can throw in variations in expected personal characteristics.

plaetton:


What I mean is that once god, whether a biological or non-biological entity, interacts with the universe, he or it can no longer be the same.

plaetton:

That is both common sense and natural law.
For example, you have have either gained or lost something today as a result of all hose with whom you have interacted with today.
So you have been slightly changed, enriched or slightly evolved(mentally or socially) today than from what you were yesterday.

plaetton:

Every interaction slightly changes you, some more prominently than others.
Change is the only constant.

plaetton:

likewise, god, by interacting with the universe, as most of you believe, is also evolving with the universe.

plaetton:

Even demons are evolving with the times, so why can't god?.
Demons have been known(in Nairaland) to be sending text messages as another new means of tormenting christians. lol

plaetton:

Ancient men sacrificed their cattle and occasionally, their children to god, and god was happy.
Today, god is content with naira notes and or other legal tender.
So, it's either god is constantly changing , or the mind that creates god is constantly changing.

plaetton:

Just read your own babble one more time and see how silly it sounds.
Let me repeat it for you.

plaetton:

"What ever(in other words, you don't know?) must have been the first cause(first cause of what?) must be something(by what law?) that doesn't require a first cause.
Magical thinking at it's best or worst?[/b]Explain your meaning because I am willing to reason with you.
[quote author=plaetton]

This silly music is so familiar.
Everything that [b]exists must have a first cause.
But God, which exists, is the first cause.
But God, which exists, does not have a first cause.

plaetton:

So, from this , we see that god is a contradiction of the very terms that define him.

plaetton:

That is why I say that God is mental construct from the ignorant minds of stone-age men.