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Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Nobody: 10:04pm On Dec 04, 2013
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Gombs(m): 2:20am On Dec 05, 2013
Start your own church and have

Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...Richer Saints

If not, shame or you. Ridiculing the body of Christ would harm you o!
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by larrymoore(m): 3:09am On Dec 05, 2013
Indeed!
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Kei144(m): 5:39am On Dec 05, 2013
Re. 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.
Re. 3:15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
Re. 3:16 So, because you are lukewarm — neither hot nor cold — I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
Re. 3:17 You say, `I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realise that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.
Re. 3:18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so that you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so that you can cover your shameful unclothedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so that you can see.


The church in Laodicea symbolizes the churches of today; they are neither for heaven nor for the world--lukewarm. They want to go to heaven and they also want to enjoy fully in the world. They claim that they are the most successful generation of Christians that ever lived because they think they hold heaven in one hand and also the world in the other hand. But Jesus says that thhey do not realize that they are wretched, pitiful, poor and naked. Jesus goes on to say that He is about to spit them from His mouth; by this time next year, when end-time tribulations would have been underway, you will see the condition of these churches. Judgment will start in the house of God.

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Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Joagbaje(m): 5:44am On Dec 05, 2013
Gombs: Start your own church and have

Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...Richer Saints
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No rather his church should be poor preacher , poor church and produce poor saints! grin
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Gombs(m): 8:26am On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:

No rather his church should be poor preacher , poor church and produce poor saints! grin

Exactly grin
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by PastorKun(m): 10:42am On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:

No rather his church should be poor preacher , poor church and produce poor saints! grin

1 Timothy 6:5
5 wranglings of men corrupted in mind and bereft of the truth, supposing that godliness is a way to become rich.

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Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Nobody: 11:04am On Dec 05, 2013
Pastor Kun:

1 Timothy 6:5
5 wranglings of men corrupted in mind and bereft of the truth, supposing that godliness is a way to become rich.

it has come to this ! A so called Pastor laughing and mocking the truth.

This video hits the nail on the head in a very succinct and explicit way.
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by okpurukata(f): 8:12pm On Dec 05, 2013
Very Very interesting.
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by alexleo(m): 8:34pm On Dec 05, 2013
Gombs: Start your own church and have

Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...Richer Saints

If not, shame or you. Ridiculing the body of Christ would harm you o!

But the message delivered by this preacher is a simple truth that calls for sober reflection amongst us as christians. Surely the end time church is not getting it right. condemning this message is not the best. Be an agent of positive change so that the church will truly be restored back to its original state and structure.

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Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by alexleo(m): 8:40pm On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:

No rather his church should be poor preacher , poor church and produce poor saints! grin

Jo, you people are missing the point. Kindly check the model of the early church in the acts of the apostles and compare it with what we have today, you ll see that this preacher is right. Forget about frosbel and whatever you may have against some of his belief, just deal with him only based on the content of each message he posts here.

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Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Nobody: 9:12pm On Dec 05, 2013
Kamsy10: Normally I don't criticize churches, I just walk away from a church when I hear sermons that are hypocritical and certainly meant for selfish interests.
People that criticize the catholic church apparently dont know jack about the catholic church.
For me I am a catholic who once left the faith and joined other churches to see if there's a better church.Note I was a devoted worker in each church I went but after hearing and learning the stuff some of those pastors preach, MEHN, I quietly went back to the catholic faith. Catholic might have some shortcomings but it's unrivalled compared to the churches I've been to. I'm so happy I retraced my steps.

Here are some of the lies you'll hear from the pulpit:



1. Tithe/offering will take you to heaven since we live in the new testament now and God keeps no record of sins. Therefore tithe/offering is what really matters now.
(Meanwhile tithing was ONLY mentioned in the old testament)
2. If you need a job, car, child etc and you're not tithing, God will not bless you. (False)
(Haba. Even pro.sti.tutes get pregnant and have children.Many CEOs don't even go to church not to talk of tithe.Rom9:15 says 'I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy,...etc. Matt 7:7 says ask and you shall receive. Check with the richest men in the world. Again pastors have to chose which one to emphasize and which ones not to. I don't blame them sha)

3. If you tithe, you cant be sick, loose your job, get into an accident or get robbed.
(So why do they run to the bank immediately after collecting tithes and offerings to avoid robbery. And they travel oversees for medical checkups, and fly jets and move around with heavy security guards)

4. God asked me to do this, God asked me to do that . Even to the point that God asked them to divorce and marry another one.
(1cor 6:9 says no adulterer shall see the kingdom of God. God has asked you to marry and divorce 2times and heading for the third one)

5. We now live in the new testament, the old testament doesn't count anymore. so dress however you like, men perm your hair if you like to church, youths can fornicate and it doesn't count, girls can come to church naked if it makes them comfortable, just do whatever you like, since Christ has died, you don't have any problem. We now live under grace.
(ok. so why is tithe the center of the sermon everyday knowing that tithe was only mentioned in the old testament. The funny part is the same pastors will say you should not add or remove from the word of God)

6. We are the true Christians, we're emulating Christ, we're Christ-like cos we're born again.
(ok. so why is this rule not applicable to the jet flying pastors. Last time I checked, Christ didn't have a private jet and he drove those who were turning the church into a money making venture but alas our pastors will be identifying with politicians so they too can get a brown envelope. Instead of preaching to them to help create employment for the jobless youths in the church, they simply shower prayers for them and collect offering. Doesn't sound like what the Christ I know will do)

7. Christ was very rich and he wore an expensive robe that is why they cast lots on his robe to decide who should have it.
(ok. Even if the robe was expensive, so your definition of a rich man is a person who has one expensive robe. Why fabricating lies such as these against Christ just to justify the acquisition of an aircraft.

8. We need jets cos we're spreading the gospel to china,japan,america etc
(How come all your pastors in those countries are not able to run the branches for you and then report to you. I guess you're the only one called by God. Nothing is wrong with visting once in a while. Why travelling there every week or month as the case may be or are you worried about them not giving you proper account of the money they're collecting.
Also I used to think they were actually converting the indigenes of those countries, but I discovered that in most of those churches,its mostly their tribal people that actually worship there. In other words,you'll only find only Africans there. Note: I've been to a few countries,and they've bn the same so far)


9.Catholics are doing confessions, blessing holy water, burning incense, worshipping images, and giving holy communion, therefore they are hell bound.
(Why do they have counseling sessions on a particular day of the week where the member tells them about his past life and and how they want God to forgive them and they want to turn a new live and They pray for him/her. Sorry that is not confession, it is called counseling. Did I mention that they carry the stickers of their pastor and his family on their cars, pictures in their homes, offices EVEN ON THEIR BIBLES. Did I mention that they now bless and give holy communion. Confirm from redeemed and winners chapel.
Also they bless handkerchiefs and carry them around like juju or otumokpor

10. God told me to start my own church that's why I started this church
( No problem but why do you become a stumbling block when one of your pastors receives the same vision and wants to start his own. Some even go as far as cursing the person. )



My point is "the last day will be full of surprises but I pray that God will have mercy on all of us" AMEN
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Joagbaje(m): 9:46pm On Dec 05, 2013
frosbel: .

This video hits the nail on the head in a very succinct and explicit way.


Oh is there a video ? Pls watch by yourself grin. I only responded to unspiritual topic .
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Joagbaje(m): 9:50pm On Dec 05, 2013
alexleo:

Jo, you people are missing the point. Kindly check the model of the early church in the acts of the apostles and compare it with what we have today, you ll see that this preacher is right. Forget about frosbel and whatever you may have against some of his belief, just deal with him only based on the content of each message he posts here.

I didn't watch the video . What does the preacher say? I've been on the road to for a movie shoot . So even if I wanted to watch , I wouldn't have been able to because of network
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Nobody: 9:59pm On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:

Oh is there a video ? Pls watch by yourself grin. I only responded to unspiritual topic .

even with all your tithe money you cannot buy credit to watch this video, lol. grin

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Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Joagbaje(m): 10:30pm On Dec 05, 2013
frosbel:

even with all your tithe money you cannot buy credit to watch this video, lol. grin

Stop insulting me with your manipulation . I'm talking about network on the express way. I had a movie shoot in lagos today .
Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by Nobody: 11:02pm On Dec 05, 2013
Joagbaje:

Stop insulting me with your manipulation . I'm talking about network on the express way. I had a movie shoot in lagos today .

Apologies, was meant to be a joke !

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Re: Rich Preachers, Rich Churches...poor Saints by anukulapo: 9:42am On Dec 06, 2013
frosbel:

Apologies, was meant to be a joke !

That's a rough tackle. You have one and a half yellow card.

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