OLAADEGBU:

When discussing natural selection as a possible mechanism for evolution, it is important to define terms. Evolutionists and biblical creationists view these terms differently, but it comes down to how we interpret the evidence in the light of our foundation. I view natural selection using The Truth Book as my foundation, evolutionists use man's truth as their foundation.

The creationist view of natural selection is supported biblically and scientifically. Natural selection is a God-ordained process that allows organisms to survive in a post-Fall, post-Flood world. It is an observable reality that occurs in the present and takes advantage of the variations within the 'kinds' and works to preserve the genetic viability of the 'kinds'. Genesis 1:21-24

Simply put, the changes that are observed today show variation within the created kind, which is a horizontal change. For a molecules-to-man evolutionary model, there must be a change from one kind into another-- a vertical change. This is simply not observed. We have never seen a bacterium like H. pylori give rise to something like a dog. Instead, we simply observe variations within each created kind.

Evolution requires an increase in information that results in a directional movement from molecules to man. Natural selection cannot be a mechanism for evolution because it results in a decrease in information and is not directional. Speciation may occur as a result of natural selection, but it only occurs within a kind. Therefore, it is also not a mechanism for evolution but rather supports the biblical model as recorded in the book of Genesis.

Natural selection cannot be the driving force for molecule to man evolution when it does not have that power, nor should it be confused with molecules-to man-evolution. Natural selection is an observable phenomenon that preserves genetic viability and allows limited variation within a kind - nothing more, nothing less.QED

It is a great confirmation of the Bible's history. So I praise the Lord for the uncompromising biblical creationist scientists that have used their knowledge and understanding of science to discover and properly interprete the truth that was already written in the Truth book.

http://www.creationworldview.org/articles_view.asp?id=53

Much as it pains me to say, you are too stupid and idiotic to carry on a reasonable intelligent conversation with.

@ Huxley

huxley:

Much as it pains me to say, you are too stupid and idiotic to carry on a reasonable intelligent conversation with.

huxley:

Much as it pains me to say, you are too stupid and idiotic to carry on a reasonable intelligent conversation with.

I am glad you have finally seen the light. You cannot expect any intelligent argument from OLAADEGBU. I think he has had his faith shaken a bit because he has gotten highly defensive quoting this and that from the Bible. I think OLAADEGBU is incapable of independent thought, as he is always quoting one person or the other. He should have heeded my advice to concentrate on his beliefs.

wirinet:

@ Huxley
I am glad you have finally seen the light. You cannot expect any intelligent argument from OLAADEGBU. I think he has had his faith shaken a bit because he has gotten highly defensive quoting this and that from the Bible. I think OLAADEGBU is incapable of independent thought, as he is always quoting one person or the other. He should have heeded my advice to concentrate on his beliefs.

This is an obvious case of the damage religion can do to the mental faculty. He just has not paused for one minute to think about what he posts after lifting from some creationist sites.

Did you see how he evaded my question about rabbits in Cambrian rocks?

Huxley, I go vex for u o! I will charge you for scientific harassment of OLADEGBU. How do you expect him to know what Cambrian rocks or period is. Soon you go dey ask am for Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian Rocks.
I tire for you o!

wirinet:

Huxley, I go vex for u o! I will charge you for scientific harassment of OLADEGBU. How do you expect him to know what Cambrian rocks or period is. Soon you go dey ask am for Ordovician, Silurian and Devonian Rocks.
I tire for you o!

Abeg o, no vex wit me. I make mistake think sey OLADEGBU na educated man. When I realise sey e no be learned man na yin wey I decide sey there is no point discussing wit him.

Read about wise and learned men who believed in The Uncreated Creator.
http://www.icr.org/articles/view/400/313/

Questions and Answers about the origins of life in a Quiz format:
http://www.train2equip.com/quiz.asp

OLAADEGBU

You are back, I am sure you have search through all the search engines to find support for your attack on Evolution as usual, you do not even add any information of your own anymore, you just copy and paste links. Anyway i will look at the link later

See 20 logic errors used by evolutionists when discussing origins, some of which huxley and winiret have been using to divert attention from the real questions that has been asked at the beginning of this thread:
http://www.train2equip.com/20LogicErrors.asp

Charles Darwin had no clue as to how life started and his students today still don't know where the information in the DNA came from.

The formula for:
The Evolution Model is M + E + T = Life
The Creation Model is M + E + T + OI = Life

(M=Matter; E=Energy; T=Time; OI=Outside Information)

It is always the creation model that is observed, thus showing the evolution model as a faith based on myth coated by half truths and lies.

According to the biblical creation model all life from the beginning had DNA, from the lowest molecule to the complex and they all appeared simultanously.

OLAADEGBU

What an ingenious equation, i will nominate you for the next Nobel price in Biology, You are more Knowledgeable than Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein put together. It is an honour talking to such scientific genius like yourself.

wirinet:

OLAADEGBU

What an ingenious equation, i will nominate you for the next Nobel price in Biology, You are more Knowledgeable than Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein put together. It is an honour talking to such scientific genius like yourself.

As you may have noticed I do not respond to your bluffings and use of Ad Hominems that boost your ego.  As long as you keep ignoring the questions by attacking the persons you are only showing the insecurities in your faith that is based on fanciful ideologies and myths.

Here again the modern apostle of "evolution theory" or rather myth Dr. Richard Dawkins is also clueless when asked to "give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase information in the genome?"  See him using the same diversionary tactics common with skeptics to avoid the question.  Typical.

Watch this short video and then read  the background story about it.
http://bsa-ca.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=1

Read all about it here:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3907.asp#f1

The Long Pause       
Written by Brian Bierman     

There is a video clip circulating the internet that has an interviewer asking Richard Dawkins a very straightforward question: “Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary process which can be seen to increase information in the genome?”  The response is a very awkward and long pause.  Dawkins looks stumped as he hems and haws.  Sensing the awkwardness, he tells the videographer to turn off the camera.  When the video resumes, so does his usual eloquence.  But he doesn’t answer the question.  The interview was apparently conducted in September, 1997.

Ten years later, Dawkins addresses the embarrassing moment with an essay of over 5000 words that promises to finally answer the question but it leaves one totally unsatisfied.  He devotes 3 lengthy paragraphs to the interview, 7 to information theory and its history and the remainder to biological information and finally, evolution.  The result, and I paraphrase (and you should be glad I do); we know information has increased because the genomes of higher organisms are longer than those of microbes.  But that doesn’t matter because vertebrate DNA is primarily composed of junk, pseudogenes and redundant components.  Is that what he does to students that dare question him in the classroom?  Bore them into accepting his premise?
That’s it.  Nothing observed. No empirical evidence; just a grand inference and a weak one at that, and he still doesn't answer the question.  What struck me were the obsolete theories invoked to explain his position.  The junk DNA idea is absolutely passé and has been nothing but a hindrance to research for over 20 years.  Dawkins verbally struts like a peacock convinced he actually knows something about DNA.  The truth is the entire scientific community is like a group of primitive jungle tribesmen watching a helicopter that was left idling while the pilot, unaware of their presence, is out taking a restroom break. 

We can see DNA.  We can sequence it.  After many years of poking at it with our figurative spears, we know it is a major component of cell replication and a major player in animal reproduction but we just don’t know exactly how it works.  No wonder Francis Crick bought into panspermia to explain it.  Organization on this level (or any other) just isn’t observed to come about on its own so we have to dream up a magical place or time beyond our ability to observe where this can come about without a creator.

OLAADEGBU,

Honestly i do not know what you are trying to achieve, I do not even understand what your postulations are. You said Charles Darwin had no clue as to how life started and his students today still don't know where the information in the DNA came from, Which is a complete farse.

We (evolutionists) have a good idea of how life started and understand how the information in the DNA is stored, so much so that we can alter deliberately properties of an organism by altering the matching protein in its DNA strand. ( i hope you are not munching on Genetically modified crops right now)

If you want me to explain what DNA is, i would gladly do, but i doubt you will understand. You will only parrot ad infinitum the primitive man's creed of "Where did it come from or how did that start" until i say i do not know, then you will jump in and say all you people are wrong and stupid all along, because you and your likes have a special knowledge that all things are created and designed by God. So you are the intelligent ones, while we including charles Darwins are the fools for refusing to see reason.

You religionists have not contributed anything to the progress of humanity or the earth, you do no research because you believed all the research you need in in your holy books. You wait for scientist to dedicate their lives to finding out the essence of nature and how it can benefit humanity at the detriment of their own comfort and families. At the end of it, you people will then jump in and look at loop holes and exaggerate little controversies, but you people will gladly use the result of scientific discoveries without quarrel. You quarrel with science but you use computers, T.Vs, Mobile phones. You get sick and you use scientific equipments based on scientific principles you ridicule.

I would have love to learn something new from you people on science but all your posts and links teach nothing. Your main postulation that every mystery that is not fully understood is a proof of God, had been with us since the dawn of history by primitive man. Even today a primitive brute living in the Amazon has the same "knowledge" and views you hold. It took courage, persecution and perseverance for a few men to take us away from where you are trying to take us back to.

You religionists have not contributed anything to the progress of humanity or the earth, you do no research because you believed all the research you need in in your holy books. You wait for scientist to dedicate their lives to finding out the essence of nature and how it can benefit humanity at the detriment of their own comfort and families. At the end of it, you people will then jump in and look at loop holes and exaggerate little controversies, but you people will gladly use the result of scientific discoveries without quarrel. You quarrel with science but you use computers, T.Vs, Mobile phones. You get sick and you use scientific equipments based on scientific principles you ridicule

My view is that religion and belief in God are not one and the same thing. Ofcourse many followers of world religions blur the distiction and present them as one. There are some scientists who believe in God and have made contributions to the development of all the facets of molecular biology. Some of these scientists agree that biological evolution is not inconsistent with the belief in God. In their work with genes of diverse organisms, they do see evidence of biological evolution. Any honest molecular biologist will not dispute the principle of biological evolution irrespective of his or her religious inclinations.

Dr. Werner Gitt, a professor in information science effectively refutes the theory of evolution with the laws of nature about information, using the 5 levels of information and how the Bible perfectly meets this criteria.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1xkpncGHEQ&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyyVGQJ9n1c&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGJmQgl4hWo&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcpZZ8YvvQY&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfEDDTjNiFs&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDkifltHVI0&feature=related

The talk above is in 6 parts

m_nwankwo:

My view is that religion and belief in God are not one and the same thing. Ofcourse many followers of world religions blur the distiction and present them as one. There are some scientists who believe in God and have made contributions to the development of all the facets of molecular biology. Some of these scientists agree that biological evolution is not inconsistent with the belief in God. In their work with genes of diverse organisms, they do see evidence of biological evolution. Any honest molecular biologist will not dispute the principle of biological evolution irrespective of his or her religious inclinations.

@m_nwankwo,

It will be wise to read the book written by Dr. Werner Gitt in the weblink below and the testimonies of other scientists that have thread where you and your fellow theistic evolutionist are still threading and get informed and more importantly get to know the Eternal Creator in a personal way.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/gitt.asp

OLAADEGBU:

@m_nwankwo,

It will be wise to read the book written by Dr. Werner Gitt in the weblink below and the testimonies of other scientists that have thread where you and your fellow theistic evolutionist are still threading and get informed and more importantly get to know the Eternal Creator in a personal way.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/gitt.asp

Thanks for recommending the book of Dr Werner Gitt. Thanks too for the video link in your penultimate posts. I can only smile at the easily refutable assertions by Dr. Gritt and other scientists like him. Besides, I do not belong to any designation or label. Thus labelling me as a "theistic evolutionist" is wrong. I do know the deficiencies of both the creation theory and the evolutionary theory. The theory of evolution is not the same thing as evolution and the theory of creation as reported in your sacred book is not the same thing as creation. You may have to understand first what evolution is and what creation is. Only when you understand evolution and creation will it be appropriate to debate on the origin of these two manifestations of the will of God. Both creation and evolution are the handwork of the will of God. I do not dispute with people on their belief that they have known the Eternal creator in a personal way. That is their personal experience and they are entitled to it. If however they want their personal experience to be taken as truth, then condtions for accessing the truth comes into play.Thus if you claim that you have personal knowledge of the eternal creator, then provide the evidence. Thanks and stay blessed.

m_nwankwo:

Thanks for recommending the book of Dr Werner Gitt. Thanks too for the video link in your penultimate posts. I can only smile at the easily refutable assertions by Dr. Gritt and other scientists like him. Besides, I do not belong to any designation or label. Thus labelling me as a "theistic evolutionist" is wrong. I do know the deficiencies of both the creation theory and the evolutionary theory. The theory of evolution is not the same thing as evolution and the theory of creation as reported in your sacred book is not the same thing as creation. You may have to understand first what evolution is and what creation is. Only when you understand evolution and creation will it be appropriate to debate on the origin of these two manifestations of the will of God. Both creation and evolution are the handwork of the will of God. I do not dispute with people on their belief that they have known the Eternal creator in a personal way. That is their personal experience and they are entitled to it. If however they want their personal experience to be taken as truth, then condtions for accessing the truth comes into play.Thus if you claim that you have personal knowledge of the eternal creator, then provide the evidence. Thanks and stay blessed.

It is convenient to brush aside the evidence made by Dr. Gitt when you have already made up your mind and don't want to be confused with the facts, and thats if you even made any attempt to read them.  I labelled you as a theist evolutionist because you speak the same language as they do.  "as a man thinketh so is he".  Such languages like bluffing, that you know more than others and claiming exclusive knowledge to "creation" or evolution as you call it.  One thing is certain which is the "God" you claim to know or refer to is different from the One in my sacred book which is the Holy Bible, and I am not surprised that you have your own version of evolution since there are over a thousand and one different definitions due to the constant shifting of the goalpost so as to remain elusive.  The bottom line is basically the theory of "from-goo-to-zoo-to-you" and that your god had to wait for billions of years before he could make you or breath his spirit into you to become human, using the debris of suffering, disease and death as a body.  That is a pathetic and weak god.

The God that I serve and know is the God who inspired the Truth Book called the Holy Bible.  He is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, He is the God of the living and not the dead and, you can only know Him by the revelation knowledge as revealed in the Holy Scriptures.  There is the general revelation and the specific revelation of God.  There are both objective and subjective evidences of the Eternal Creator.  Since you have asked for my personal experience of the knowledge of the Eternal Creator I will oblige you a bit. 

My personal knowledge came as a result of my faith in the infallible Word of God in Genesis 1:1 that said "In the beginning God"  I believed that God preexisted before all that He created and therefore He is Eternal.  The angels were created and therefore are not eternal, it is only God that is the Eternal Being.  In John 1:1 It is written that "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"  It is stated here that the Word and God are one and the same and that everything that was created was by the Word.  It is also written that this Word became a human being and lived among us and we beheld Him as the Only begotten of the Father, and that He is full of Grace and Truth, and that as many that received Him had the right and authority to become the children of God, in other words "the Son of God became the Son of Man so as to make the sons of men to become the sons of God".  As a result of this I now have the Truth personally dwelling inside me.  Since He is the Way and the Truth and the life and I have Him living on the inside of me, I can know declare to know the Truth and the Truth has made me free.  Free from the half truths and lies from the pit of hell.  He has delivered me from the power of darkness and translated me into the Kingdom of His dear Son.

The reality of what happened when I received the Truth as my personal Saviour and Lord was that I was crucified, dead, buried, raised, ascended, and sitted together with Jesus Christ on the right hand of the Father, far above principalities and powers, dominions and spiritual wickedness and He has given me a name that is above all names that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue will confess either they like it or not, that Jesus Christ is the Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  In Psalms 22 Jesus is depicted as the Saviour of sinners, forgiving us of our past sins, guilt and shame.  In Psalm 23, Jesus the Shepherd of the sheep, protecting, providing and guiding us in the present.  In Psalm 24, Jesus is the Sovereign King of the saints.  All these and more can be yours if you would accept the price He paid for your sins so that you can be free from the law of sin and death and be raised by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

I know He is alive because I still had communion and fellowship with Him this morning.  He spoke His Word to me and I feel Him in my heart and all over me.  It is not enough to know about the unknown God but to know Him and Jesus Christ whom He has sent.  I will implore you to read the testimonies of the scientists that I recommended with an open heart and allow the Eternal Creator to speak to you.
http://www.icr.org/article/95/313/
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/is-there-really-a-god
Shalom.

@Olaadegbu

It is convenient to brush aside the evidence made by Dr. Gitt when you have already made up your mind and don't want to be confused with the facts, and thats if you even made any attempt to read them.

I have not brushed aside any evidence made by Dr.Gitt. It is just that an examination of his proposition do not constitute a scientific evidence. I am willing to debate with Dr. Gitt himself if you can get him to discuss with me. Then we allow each others evidence to speak for its self.

I labelled you as a theist evolutionist because you speak the same language as they do.  "as a man thinketh so is he".  Such languages like bluffing, that you know more than others and claiming exclusive knowledge to "creation" or evolution as you call it.

I do not bluff. In myself I am nothing but I am permitted to draw from the power of God, from the laws of God. By the grace of God, I am permitted to know. Any person can and should dispute my submissions with his or her own evidence. I welcome such interaction. I do not speak the language of "as a man thinketh so is he" I speak based on my own personal experiencing of the language of God, of the laws of God. I hold that God speaks to all creatures through his creation and the langauage of God manifests in Love and Justice. I welcome rebuttal to my assertion that the laws of God carry within them Justice and love.

One thing is certain which is the "God" you claim to know or refer to is different from the One in my sacred book which is the Holy Bible, and I am not surprised that you have your own version of evolution since there are over a thousand and one different definitions due to the constant shifting of the goalpost so as to remain elusive.  The bottom line is basically the theory of "goo-to-zoo-to-you" and that your god had to wait for billions of years before he could make you or breath his spirit into you to become human, using the debris of suffering, disease and death as a body.  That is a pathetic and weak god

I do not believe that the bible is holy. Only God is holy. I also do not believe that the bible is the word of God. There are ofcourse people like you who hold the bible as holy and the word of God. You are entiltled to that decision. May I ask you, how old is the universe? How old is the milkyway galaxy? How old is the earth?. When did the first human being inhabited the earth? Besides if you think that millions of years did not pass bye before biological life emerged in our planet and that God created the material universe in an instant, I ask as follows: Why will a baby develop for nine months instead of being formed in a second? Why will it even develop at all. Why is their birth, growth, old age and death in all matter? Why do a seed of corn take months to develop to a cubs of corn. Why will the birth of the human body follow fertilization, embryogenesis and birth, processes that take nine months. Why is not possible for God to reproduce the instant creating of the physical full grown human being or do you have evidence of where man literally emerged from the dust of the earth.  I await for that evidence.

The God that I serve and know is the God who inspired the Truth Book called the Holy Bible.  He is the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob, He is the God of the living and not the dead and, you can only know Him by the revelation knowledge as revealed in the Holy Scriptures.  There is the general revelation and the specific revelation of God.  There are both objective and subjective evidences of the Eternal Creator.  Since you have asked for my personal experience of the knowledge of the Eternal Creator I will oblige you a bit.

I dispute that you can know God through the bible. Did God create man with the bible? He created man with his word and the word of God is not the bible. A physical form of the word of God can only be spoken or written by God. Since Jesus who is the son of God did not write the bible, I do not take the bible as the word of God. Thanks for obliging to share your personal experience.

My personal knowledge came as a result of my faith in the infallible Word of God in Genesis 1:1 that said "In the beginning God"  I believed that God preexisted before all that He created and therefore He is Eternal.  The angels were created and therefore are not eternal, it is only God that is the Eternal Being.  In John 1:1 It is written that "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"  It is stated here that the Word and God are one and the same and that everything that was created was by the Word.  It is also written the this Word became a human being and lived among us and we beheld Him as the Only begotten of the Father, and that He is full of Grace and Truth, and that as many that received Him had the right and authority to become the children of God, in other words "the Son of God became the Son of Man so as to make the sons of men to become the sons of God".  As a result of this I now have the Truth personally dwelling inside me.  Since He is the Way and the Truth and the life and I have Him living on the inside of me, I can know declare to know the Truth and the Truth has made me free.  Free from the half truths and lies from the pit of hell.  He has delivered me from the power of darkness and translated me into the Kingdom of His dear Son.

I agree that only God is the eternal one. What was it like before the beginning? Was the word of God not in existence before the beginning? If it was before the beginning, what is the relationship between God and his word before the beginnig? What actually do you mean by "in the beginning".I agree that Jesus is the word of God made flesh, he is the son of God. Jesus is also the way, the truth and the life. However it is impossible for Truth to dwell inside you. That is equivalent to saying that God or his son Jesus dwells inside you. If he does as you claim, where is he dwelling in you? Where is your spirit and can you describe how you, the spirit looks like. I hold that the power of God or the power of Jesus can dwell with human beings. The power of Jesus comes from Jesus but that power is not Jesus. The rays of the sun comes from the sun but the rays is not the sun itself.

The reality of what happened when I received the Truth as my personal Saviour and Lord was that I was crucified, dead, buried, raised, ascended, and sitted together with Jesus Christ on the right hand of the Father, far above principalities and powers, dominions and spiritual wickedness and He has given me a name that is above all names that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue will confess either they like it or not, that Jesus Christ is the Lord, to the glory of God the Father.  In Psalms 22 Jesus is depicted as the Saviour of sinners, forgiving us of our past sins, guilt and shame.  In Psalm 23, Jesus the Shepherd of the sheep, protecting, providing and guiding us in the present.  In Psalm 24, Jesus is the Sovereign King of the saints.  All these and more can be yours if you would accept the price He paid for your sins so that you can be free from the law of sin and death and be raised by the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.

How were you crucified and by whom? When did you die and which doctor confirmed your death? When did you rise and who are witnesses to your rise?. How did you ascend and can you describe your journey from earth to the place where you are with Jesus on the right hand of God. Describe the place you claim to be with Jesus. I agree that Jesus is the LORD. However I do not agree that the death of Jesus washes sins. I see his death as a dastardly murder, a sacrilege commited against God. The murder of Jesus atoned for non of mankinds sins but burdened mankind with a deadly sin.

know He is alive because I still had communion and fellowship with Him this morning.  He spoke His Word to me and I feel Him in my heart and all over me.  It is not enough to know about the unknown God but to know Him and Jesus Christ whom He has sent.  I will implore you to read the testimonies of the scientists that I recommended with an open heart and allow the Eternal Creator to speak to you.

You are entiltled to your experience. You read the bible this morning and you interpret it as Jesus speaking to you. I am a scientist myself. Testimonies do not constitute scientific evidence. Thank you and stay blessed.[quote][/quote]

with the laws of nature about information, using the 5 levels of information and how the Bible perfectly meets this criteria.

laws of nature about information lmao

@Olaadegbu
At first I thought you would make sense then you made a statement and I quote"God revealed how he created the world in genesis and a child can understand" that alone tells me you are either a bot designed by a creationist geek who should have known better or a paranoid man looking for a sense of meaning in this world.
@m_nwankwo can I send you am email I saw a yahoo address on your profile I would love to have discussions with you without all this illogical and paranoid interference there are some things I would love to see what you think about them. So let me know if its email or another thread.

@Olaadegbu
At first I thought you would make sense then you made a statement and I quote"God revealed how he created the world in genesis and a child can understand" that alone tells me you are either a bot designed by a creationist geek who should have known better or a paranoid man looking for a sense of meaning in this world.
@m_nwankwo can I send you am email I saw a yahoo address on your profile I would love to have discussions with you without all this illogical and paranoid interference there are some things I would love to see what you think about them. So let me know if its email or another thread.

@Chrisbenogor

@m_nwankwo can I send you am email I saw a yahoo address on your profile I would love to have discussions with you without all this illogical and paranoid interference there are some things I would love to see what you think about them. So let me know if its email or another thread.

You can send me an email or you can open a thread. It seems from the concerns you expressed above that an email will be a better option. Thanks and stay blessed!

Quote from: m_nwankwo on September 04, 2008, 12:44 PM

@Olaadegbu
I have not brushed aside any evidence made by Dr.Gitt. It is just that an examination of his proposition do not constitute a scientific evidence. I am willing to debate with Dr. Gitt himself if you can get him to discuss with me. Then we allow each others evidence to speak for its self.
I do not bluff. In myself I am nothing but I am permitted to draw from the power of God, from the laws of God. By the grace of God, I am permitted to know. Any person can and should dispute my submissions with his or her own evidence. I welcome such interaction. I do not speak the language of "as a man thinketh so is he" I speak based on my own personal experiencing of the language of God, of the laws of God. I hold that God speaks to all creatures through his creation and the langauage of God manifests in Love and Justice. I welcome rebuttal to my assertion that the laws of God carry within them Justice and love.

Bluffing per excellence.  If by any means you are to arrange an interview with him why don’t you make the least attempt to address the points I spoon fed you with?  You did not address any of the evidences that Dr Gitt submitted, you did not point out what you disagreed with neither did you refute any of the scientific evidences he presented.  All your response showed was that you did not, could not or would not bother to read or watch the video link talk less of addressing what you don’t agree with, and if you insist that you know what he was talking about throw it open and let us talk about it.

The onus is on you to give the definition of the evolution and creation that you profess to have the exclusive knowledge of that I do not have instead of shifting the burden of proof on me.  You are also to show that you understand what the law of nature concerning information is before you demand an audience with Dr Gitt.  I agree that God reveals Himself generally to His creation by what we observe in nature and this is that no one would have any excuse on the judgment day but to have the specific knowledge of Him you can only discern that from the infallible Word of God called the Truth book.  Knowing about the supernatural “God” does not necessarily mean that you will know God intimately because God is a personal God who we can interact with.

Quote from: m_nwankwo on September 04, 2008, 12:44 PM

I do not believe that the bible is holy. Only God is holy. I also do not believe that the bible is the word of God. There are ofcourse people like you who hold the bible as holy and the word of God. You are entiltled to that decision. May I ask you, how old is the universe? How old is the milkyway galaxy? How old is the earth?. When did the first human being inhabited the earth? Besides if you think that millions of years did not pass bye before biological life emerged in our planet and that God created the material universe in an instant, I ask as follows: Why will a baby develop for nine months instead of being formed in a second? Why will it even develop at all. Why is their birth, growth, old age and death in all matter? Why do a seed of corn take months to develop to a cubs of corn. Why will the birth of the human body follow fertilization, embryogenesis and birth, processes that take nine months. Why is not possible for God to reproduce the instant creating of the physical full grown human being or do you have evidence of where man literally emerged from the dust of the earth.  I await for that evidence.


I dispute that you can know God through the bible. Did God create man with the bible? He created man with his word and the word of God is not the bible. A physical form of the word of God can only be spoken or written by God. Since Jesus who is the son of God did not write the bible, I do not take the bible as the word of God. Thanks for obliging to share your personal experience.

The serpent strikes again.  Satan has been in this business of making man doubt, deny and disobey God’s Word just as he did in the Garden of Eden.  His strategy is to make mankind first of all doubt the Word of God with our minds, then to desire the very opposite in our hearts before finally disobeying the Word of God with our wills.  And he goes further to add, subtract or remove what God has said in His Word.  This is the reason mankind is in this pitiable situation today.  The Holy Scriptures is the inspired Word of God and you can only know His Will and Mind as He has revealed it to us in His Word.  It is the only Way that the Infinite God communicates to the finite man about His purpose and plan for our lives.  It is in this Holy Bible that mankind can find answers to who created the universe and everything in it, when it was created, why it was created and how it was created.  Any other source is either by man or by the old deceiver. 

God has told us in His Word that He created all things by His Power (Ex Nihilo) within six (24hr) days, and on the seventh day He rested.  When He created man on the 6th day He blessed them to be fruitful and multiply, He thus set in motion the process of reproduction. The only time He now creates is at the new birth experience, which is the spiritual birth in Christ Jesus-the last Adam.  God created man in His own image, sin disformed or disfigured that image but Jesus came as the last Adam to transform that image and to make us become new creatures (Homo Novus), and that is the new birth experience that we have been talking about that gives new life(John 3:3).  The devil has come to steal, to kill and to destroy our ability to recognise God's Word but Jesus Christ being God the Son and the Truth, has come down as a man to give us life and to give us life more abundantly.

Just as God breathed into Adam the breath of life He again breathed into holy men of God and inspired them to write the Holy Scriptures as they where moved by the Holy Spirit, and when we prayerfully read, meditate and study the Word of God as it is written in the Bible the Holy Spirit who is the Author will properly interpret it to us and give us the understanding that we need to apply it to our lives and to keep us from the half truths and lies from the pit of hell.   The serpent bites the dust again.

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I agree that only God is the eternal one. What was it like before the beginning? Was the word of God not in existence before the beginning? If it was before the beginning, what is the relationship between God and his word before the beginnig? What actually do you mean by "in the beginning".I agree that Jesus is the word of God made flesh, he is the son of God. Jesus is also the way, the truth and the life. However it is impossible for Truth to dwell inside you. That is equivalent to saying that God or his son Jesus dwells inside you. If he does as you claim, where is he dwelling in you? Where is your spirit and can you describe how you, the spirit looks like. I hold that the power of God or the power of Jesus can dwell with human beings. The power of Jesus comes from Jesus but that power is not Jesus. The rays of the sun comes from the sun but the rays is not the sun itself.

Eternity is the life time of the never dying God.  In this three dimensional world that we can physically observe we have time that can be measured as past present and future.  God can observe this in one stretch.  He can see the future from the beginning and He Himself has always been, He has no beginning and He has no end, He is the Eternal Creator.  He is infinite in intelligence, Omnipotent in Power, Omniscient and Omnipresence.  It will make no sense to you until you take the first step into the new birth by accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour and Lord.  Accepting the penalty He paid for your sins at the cross so that your past sins are not only atoned for but remitted, and for you to have a new life for the present and the hope of eternal life as from now on to the future.  Since His Word that was in the beginning with God is God that means His Word Who is Jesus Christ is Eternal.  Jesus Christ in John 14:21,23 promised that if we kept His Word that He would not only reveal Himself to us but that the Father and Son would make our bodies the temple of the Holy Spirit their dwelling place.

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How were you crucified and by whom? When did you die and which doctor confirmed your death? When did you rise and who are witnesses to your rise?. How did you ascend and can you describe your journey from earth to the place where you are with Jesus on the right hand of God. Describe the place you claim to be with Jesus. I agree that Jesus is the LORD. However I do not agree that the death of Jesus washes sins. I see his death as a dastardly murder, a sacrilege commited against God. The murder of Jesus atoned for non of mankinds sins but burdened mankind with a deadly sin.

You are entiltled to your experience. You read the bible this morning and you interpret it as Jesus speaking to you. I am a scientist myself. Testimonies do not constitute scientific evidence. Thank you and stay blessed.
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If you are looking for objective and general evidences of God, time will not permit me to talk about the Cosmological argument, teleological argument, ontological argument or the moral argument.  The most important point is whether you believe the bible is the Word of God or not.  You can either believe fallible man’s ideas that there is no God and that the Bible is not God’s Word, or trust the perfect Word of God, the 66 books of the Bible that gives answers to all that we need to know.  At the end of the day it is a matter of faith.  The exciting thing about being a Christian is knowing that the Bible is not just another religious book, but that it is the Word of the Creator God, as it claims.  Knowing God as Creator cannot save you until something has been done about your sin.  Jesus deals with our guilt and forgives us.  He is known personally by salvation and I recognise this fact as I know God in a personal living way in my experiences and life.

Only the Bible gives the true and reliable account of the origin of all basic entities of life and the entire universe.  It is only the Bible that gives answers as to who, how, why and when the universe and all that is in it was created.  The Bible’s historical account has been confirmed by archaeology, biology, geology and astronomy.  When the Bible is properly read and interpreted, you will find that there is no contradiction or erroneous information in its pages even though it has been written over 1500 years by many different authors, each inspired by the Holy Spirit.  Scientists from many different fields have produced hundreds of books and tapes defending the Bible’s accuracy and its claim that it is a revelation to us from our Creator.  It not only tells us who we are and where we came from, but it also shares the good news of how we can spend eternity with our Saviour and Lord.  Take that first step and place your faith in God and His Word.

This is where you confuse me oh brother, after your reply you failed to answer how old is the earth according to the holy bible and according to science surely you are not naive enough to believe adam threw bone to a T.Rex dinosaur abi sorry your 7 day theory does not hold water.
You know what is so astonishing is how you seem to know God very well explain how the small understanding of man can possibly encompass what God is its like you were by his side when he was creating the world.

@Olaadegbu

Bluffing per excellence.  If by any means you are to arrange an interview with him why don’t you make the least attempt to address the points I spoon fed you with?  You did not address any of the evidences that Dr Gitt submitted, you did not point out what you disagreed with neither did you refute any of the scientific evidences he presented.  All your response showed was that you did not, could not or would not bother to read or watch the video link talk less of addressing what you don’t agree with, and if you insist that you know what he was talking about throw it open and let us talk about it

I do not demand an interview with Dr Gitt. I only asked if you can arrange one so that we allow each others evidence to speak for itself. I watched the video links and consider the evidence presented as unscientific. I can only take up my assertion that Dr Gitt argument is unscientific with him since he is the author of those assertions. This is because his assertions were not published in a peer refereed journal. Thus their is no independent scientific examination of his claims by scientific peers. That is why the only option left  is to have a discussion with him if possible. The current basis of scientific investigation is peer review. Thus if a scientific claim is made, then it has to be subjected to peer review. DNA is the macromolecule on which biological life is based and the copying mechanisms by which DNA molecules are replicated ensures that with the DNA samples of many people at present time, it is possible to work back how it was thousands and even milloins of years. Bioinformatic softwares are also available to enable the investigator factor in such factors as mutation, horizontal gene trasfer etc over years such that one can have a fairly accurate picture of how it was when biological life started in out planet. I am not aware of any genetic evidence that supports Dr. Gitts claims. If you are aware of such, then give me the references to such peer refreed articles and I will examine them.

The onus is on you to give the definition of the evolution and creation that you profess to have the exclusive knowledge of that I do not have instead of shifting the burden of proof on me.  You are also to show that you understand what the law of nature concerning information is before you demand an audience with Dr Gitt.  I agree that God reveals Himself generally to His creation by what we observe in nature and this is that no one would have any excuse on the judgment day but to have the specific knowledge of Him you can only discern that from the infallible Word of God called the Truth book.  Knowing about the a supernatural “God” does not necessarily mean that you will know God intimately because God is a personal God who we can interact with

Evolution refers to expressions of Gods will in which their is time variation between the expression of the will of God and when Gods will becomes a deed. Thus evolution involve devlopment. Creation refers to expressions of Gods will that is automatic, that is the word of God is the deed, that is, their is zero time lapse between Gods word and deed. Creation does not involve development.  I hold that both evolution and creation in the sense as I defined above came from God. God the creator of all the worlds can be impersonal in that his will is independent of the views and opinions of his creatures but can also become personal if the creatures adapt their free will to the will of God. Therefore a human being that lives according to the laws of God has personal connection to God. It is a process of radiation.

The serpent strikes again.  Satan has been in this business of making man doubt, deny and disobey God’s Word just as he did in the Garden of Eden.  His strategy is to make mankind first of all doubt the Word of God with our minds, then to desire the very opposite in our hearts before finally disobeying God with our wills.  And he goes further to add, subtract or totally replace what God has said in His Word.  This is the reason mankind is in this pitiable situation today.  The Holy Scriptures is the inspired Word of God and you can only know His Will and Mind as He has revealed it to us in His Word.  It is the only Way that the Infinite God communicates to the finite man about His purpose and plan for our lives.  It is in this Holy Bible that mankind can find answers to who created the universe and everything in it, when it was created, why it was created and how it was created.  Any other source is either by man or by the old deceiver.  God has told us in His Word that He created all things by His Power (Ex Nihilo) within six (24hr) days, and on the seventh day He rested.  When He created man on the 6th day He blessed them to be fruitful and multiply, He set in motion the process of reproduction. The only time He now creates (Ex Nihilo) is at the new birth, which is the spiritual birth in Christ Jesus.  God created man in His own image, sin disformed that image but Jesus came as the last Adam to transform that image and to make us become  new creatures (Homo Novus) and that is the new birth experience that we have been talking about that gives new life.  The devil has come to steal, to kill and to destroy but Jesus Christ being God the Son has come down as a man to give us life and to give us life more abundantly.

You can label me or my submissions whatever suits you. I do not believe that the bible is the word of God simply because it was not wiritten by God or his son Jesus or the Holy Spirit. I think is self evident that no matter how inspired a man is, he cannot be God or Jesus or the Holy Spirit. I do not as a rule enter into marshalling arguments on why the bible is not the word of God. This is because there is no need since each person will at a point in his spiritual progress either here or hereafter become aware of that. However since you are using the bible as a scientific text, let me pose some few scientific questions: What is time? Why will God use the earthly concept of time in his creation? Before he created the earth, what type of time was God using. Why will God need a rest? and explain what you mean that God rested on the 7th day. There is no doubt that Jesus, the son of God came to give us life and give it abundantly.

Just as God breathed into Adam the breath of life He again breathed into holy men of God and inspired them to write the Holy Scriptures as they where moved by the Holy Spirit, and when we prayerfully read, meditate and study the Word of God as it is written in the Bible the Holy Spirit who is the Author will properly interpret it to us and give us the understanding that we need to apply it to our lives and to keep us from the half truths and lies of the devil.   The serpent bites the dust again.

You do not need to go far but to look on this board and see how diverse the interpretations of those who hold the bible as the word of God is. I am not sure you will also claim that the multifarious understanding and interpretations are from the same Holy Spirit. As it is on this religious board, so was it during the time of the apostles, so was it in early church and so will it continue as long as man has his free will.

Eternity is the life time of the never dying God.  In this three dimensional world that we can physically observe we have time that can be measured as past present and future.  God can observe this at one stretch.  He can see the future from the beginning and He Himself has always been, He has no beginning and He has no end, He is the Eternal Creator.  He is infinite in intelligence, Omnipotent in Power, Omniscient and Omnipresence.  It will make no sense to you until you take the first step into the new birth by accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour and Lord.  Accepting the penalty He paid for your sins at the cross so that your past sins are not only atoned for but remitted, and for you to have a new life for the present and the hope of eternal life as from now on to the future.  Since His Word that was in the beginning with God is God that means His Word Who is Jesus Christ is Eternal.  Jesus Christ in John 14:21,23 promised that if we kept His Word that He would not only reveal Himself to us but that the Father and Son would make our bodies the temple of the Holy Spirit their dwelling place.

I ask again, where is Christ or the Holy Spirit dwelling in you and where is your spirit dwelling in you. If God is dwelling in your body, why do you sin for a body that God resides in cannot commit sin? Can you then claim that those who have recieved the Holyspirit are sinless.

If you are looking for objective and general evidences of God, time will not permit me to talk about the design argument, the telepathic argument, the conscience or moral argument, the motion argument, the laws of nature on information argument.  The most important is whether you believe the bible is the Word of God or not.  You can either believe fallible man’s ideas that there is no God or that the Bible is not God’s Word, or trust the perfect Word of God, the 66 books of the Bible that gives answers to all that we need to know.  At the end of the day it is a matter of faith.  The exiting thing about being a Christian is knowing that the Bible is not just another religious book, but that it is the Word of the Creator God, as it claims.

I am not looking for evidence of the existence of God. I know that God is. I asked questions on your personal experience with God and I am waiting for the answers.

Only the Bible gives the true and reliable account of the origin of all basic entities of life and the entire universe.  It is only the Bible that gives answers as to who, how, why and when the universe and all that is in it was created.  The Bible’s historical account has been confirmed by archaeology, biology, geology and astronomy.  When the Bible is properly read and interpreted, you will find that there is no contradiction or erroneous information in its pages even though it has been written over 1500 years by many different authors, each inspired by the Holy Spirit.  Scientists from many different fields have produced hundreds of books and tapes defending the Bible’s accuracy and its claim that it is a revelation to us from our Creator.  It not only tells us who we are and where we came from, but it also shares the good news of how we can spend eternity with our Saviour and Lord.  Take that first step and place your faith in God and His Word.

Once again you are using the bible as a scientific text. I asked you previously what is the age of the universe, how many galaxies in the universe, what is the age of the milkyway galaxy, what is the nearest galaxy to the milkyway and what is the age of the earth based on your bible. It is astonishing that you will be using the bible as a scientific text. Even many believers in the bible will not take that approach. Is DNA, or its sequencing in the bible? What is cloning? What of IVF? Are all these in the bible? Thanks and stay blessed.

The Bible Has Answers To The following Questions:

1.  Who created?------------God
2.  What was created?  ----All things
3.  How was it created?--- By His Power
4.  When was it created?—In the beginning
5.  How long did it take to
     Create?------------------- 6 days

You may be tempted to argue all you want that they have not presented their evidences to your peer review mafia godfathers or that you know more than these intelligent minds below who have been proved to be right, thereby confirming the Bible's account.

Danny Faulkner         Ph.D.  Astronomy
John Byl                     Ph.D.  Astronomy
Tom Greene               Ph.D.  Astronomy
James Dire                 Ph.D.  Astrophysics
Dave Harrison            Ph.D. Astrophysics
Steven Boyd               Ph.D. Hebraic and Cognitive Studies
Floyd Nolen Jones     Th.D., Ph.D.  Author of Chronology of the Old Testament
Herb Hirt                    Ph.D.  Biblical Exposition
Robert Cole                Ph.D.  Semitic languages
Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon
God                             The Ten Commandments(Exodus 20:11;God created all things by Jesus Christ. Gen.1:1; Colossians1:15-18,20; John 1:3; Ephesians 3:9; Heb.1:1-2; 11:3)

Evolution is based on materialism.  It is the ideology that there is no Creator God.
They have their roots in the Big bang theory which says that the universe exploded into existence out of nothing.  They believe that life evolved from a pool of chemicals by natural processes.  Then life forms evolved from a common ancestor over millions of years.

This is a sharp contrast from the Bible that says “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”, that God created all life and that God created all life after its kind.

These two conflicting worldviews is to make sure people know you cannot have evolution and biblical creation or a belief in the existence and nature of God at the same time.  “You cannot eat your cake and have it”.

The myth of the Big Bang is that 13-15 billion years ago a big bang, or explosion, occurred, creating the universe.  The universe began as an infinitely dense, hot fireball, a scrambling of space and time. 

The question I am asking is

1.  Where did the matter come from that created the fireball? In order to have a big bang, we need something (matter/energy) to go bang.

2.  Where and how did this original matter/energy originate? 

To dismiss or ignore these questions mean you have a story with no foundation (blind faith).  And this will prove that Evolution is based on materialism.

Visit this site for more information on the big bang theory:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/wow/does-the-big-bang-fit

Since our resident (Nairaland) evolution scientists would not or could not answer the questions put to them let us ask some other unbiased qualified evolution scientists some important questions and see how they will/have answered them:

1.  Where and how did matter and energy originate?

- Paul Davis, a physicist and evolutionist, in The Edge of Infinity gave this answer: “[The big bang] represents the instantaneous suspension of physical laws, the sudden abrupt flash of lawlessness that allowed something to come out of nothing.  It represents a true miracle…” 

-Joseph Silk (Ph.D. Astronomy and Professor of Astronomy at the University of Oxford), wrote in The Big Bang,2001,pg.15 that “It is only fair to say that we still have a theory without a beginning.” 

-Sten Odenwald, (who has a Ph.D. in Astrophysics and Chief Scientist with Raytheon STX Corp at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Centre), said in The Astronomy Café, 1998, pg.120  that “ I was happy to announce that astronomers have not the slightest evidence for the supposed quantum production of the universe out of a primordial nothingness.”

Since Evolution is based on naturalism, all things in the universe must be explained in terms of naturalism.  If you can’t explain where matter came from then evolution is left with a giant hole- No foundation.  If they cannot explain their foundation for the origin of the universe and life.  They have to accept it by faith.

2.  Why should I accept evolution when you cannot produce the evidence? 

I already have a faith.  Tell me about your faith and I will tell you about my faith.  Therefore, the logical deduction that I can derive from this is that it is not only rational but also reasonable to believe that God, not unknown magical events, created matter and energy.

The reasons why these scientists share different views

How can there be such totally different explanations for the origin of the universe, life or even dinosaurs?  Whether one is an evolutionist or accepts the Bible’s account of history, the evidence  are the same.  All scientists have the same facts—they have the same world, the same fossils, the same living creatures, the same universe. 

If the “facts” are the same, then how can the explanations be so different?  The reason is that scientists have only the present—dinosaur fossils exist only in the present—but scientists are trying to connect the fossils in the present to the past.  They ask, “What happened in history to bring dinosaurs into existence, wipe them out, and leave many of them fossilized?”

The science that addresses such issues is known as historical or origins science, and it differs from the operational science that gives us computers, inexpensive food, space exploration, electricity, and the like.  Origins science deals with the past, which is not accessible to direct experimentation, whereas operational science deals with how the world works in the here and now, which, of course, is open to repeatable experiments.  Because of difficulties in reconstructing the past, those who study fossils (paleontologists) have diverse views on dinosaurs.  As has been said, “Paleontology (the study of fossils) is much like politics: passions run high, and it’s easy to draw very different conclusions from the same set of facts.”  That is why peer reviews even though is a good idea but suffers from envy, biases and neglet from those who don't share the same worldview.

A paleontologist who believes the record in the Bible, which claims to be the Word of God, will come to different conclusions than an atheist who rejects the Bible.  Willful denial of God’s Word (2 Peter 3:3–7) lies at the root of many disputes over historical science.
Many people think the Bible is just a book about religion or salvation.  It is much more than this.  The Bible is the History Book of the Universe and tells us the future destiny of the universe as well.  It gives us an account of when time began, the main events of history, such as the entrance of sin and death into the world, the time when the whole surface of the globe was destroyed by water, the giving of different languages at the Tower of Babel, the account of the Son of God coming as a man, His death and Resurrection, and the new heavens and earth to come.

Ultimately, there are only two ways of thinking: starting with the revelation from God (the Bible) as foundational to all thinking (including biology, history, and geology), resulting in a Christian worldview; or starting with man’s beliefs (for example, the evolutionary story) as foundational to all thinking, resulting in a secular worldview, as you can see the craze that made those clowns to be chasing shadows by trying to recreate the big bang machine.

Most Christians have been indoctrinated through the media and education system to think in a secular way.  They tend to take secular thinking to the Bible, instead of using the Bible to build their thinking (Romans 12:1–2; Ephesians 4:20–24).  The Bible says, “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge” (Proverbs 1:7) and “the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (Proverbs 9:10).

If one begins with an evolutionary view of history (for which there were no witnesses or written record), then this way of thinking will be used to explain the evidence that exists in the present.  Thus, we have the evolutionary explanation of the origin of the universe and everything in it and the reenactment of how the big bang happened wasting £5bn that could be used to solve some of the myriads of problems that man is facing today.  But if one begins with the biblical view of history from the written record of an eyewitness (God) to all events of history, then a totally different way of thinking, based on this, will be used to explain the same evidence.  Thus, we have the biblical explanation given above which the founding fathers of science such as Isaac Newton, Kepler and the like used to bring about breakthroughs that laid the foundation on which the present scientists are using to build but are intent on destroying because of their erroneous worldviews.

First, let me say that I do not belong to your classification of Nairaland evolutionary scientists. Let me give a short answer to your two questions:

1. Matter was created by God. It is the last precipitation of the power of God.

2. Creation did not arise from nothing. Creation arose from the power of God or the radiation of God, and the power of God is not nothing. Energy too is a creation of God too.

Let me give a crude analogy with respect to evolution. Let us say that third mainland bridge was built by God. In this analogy God created all the elements and manpower necessary to build the bridge. God then gave the manual for the buliding of the bridge to the elements and men, and gave them the power and intelligence to construct the bridge exactly as in the manual. It took three years for the bridge to be completed. Once the bridge was erected, the atheists declares that the bridge came about in itself, that is, the bridge is both the work and the author of the work. The faithful is convinced that God created the bridge but that it did not require men, blocks, concrete etc for the bridge to be constructed. That the bridge just emerged instantenously as soon as God gave the order. Best wishes.

m_nwankwo:

First, let me say that I do not belong to your classification of Nairaland evolutionary scientists. Let me give a short answer to your two questions:

1. Matter was created by God. It is the last precipitation of the power of God.

2. Creation did not arise from nothing. Creation arose from the power of God or the radiation of God, and the power of God is not nothing. Energy too is a creation of God too. Best wishes.

"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."-       Hebrews 11:3 

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."   Gen.1:3

God spoke the Word and instantaneously time, matter/energy, space and information was created within the subsequent 6 days.  He did not require between 13-15 billion of years before He could create the universe, millions of years before He could breath the breath of life into the lifeless body that took time to form.

The problem you are having is that the devil has totally eroded your faith in the Word of God which can only be found in the Bible and until you go to the source of revelation of the Infinite God to the finite man you will continue to confuse yourself with either human philosophies or doctrines of the devil.

The battle is not one of young earth vs. old earth, or billions of years vs. six days, or creation vs. evolution—the real battle is the authority of the Word of God vs. man’s fallible opinions.

Why do Christians believe in the bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ?  Because of the words of Scripture  ("according to the Scriptures".  And why should Christians believe in the six literal days of creation?  Because of the words of Scripture ("In six days the Lord made,"

The real issue is one of authority—is God’s Word the authority, or is man’s word the authority?  So, couldn’t God have used evolution to create?  The answer is an emphatic[b] No[/b].  A belief in millions of years of evolution not only contradicts the clear teaching of Genesis and the rest of Scripture but also calls into question the character of God.  He told us in the book of Genesis that He created the whole universe and everything in it in six days by His word: "Then God said ," His Word is the evidence of how and when God created, and His Word is incredibly clear.