though corruption started from the leaders, are d people any better? they complain about bad leadership buh some of these people sell their votes to the highest bidder, how re u gonna get good leaders by selling ur right(corruption)
even in schools, people get grades, results, admissions dat dey dint work for as students because of bribery.(corruption)
even in our work places, d same tin happens.
while some graduates re suffering unemployment, jobs re being kept for people dat ve not even graduated.
even in movie industries, music industries.
if Nigeria is ever going to be a better place, it's going to start from d people, us...
politicians do not do the dirty jobs themselves, they use d people and dey cannot reject the offer cos of greed.
lets work together to make Nigeria a better place so dat we wont ve to worry about wat other people think.

The people deserves the government they get if you may ask me.

redsun: The people deserves the government they get if you may ask me.

hmmm it's really sad

The point is that the system has forced almost everybody to embrace corruption. People just fine means of survival because of how rough/bad the country is hence meddling into corrupt practices: knowingly and unknowingly. Imagine the lingering ASUU strike now and when the school finally resumes, if you were a final year student, wouldn't you do anything just to leave the school before another strike hit you? I think I would do. So if the government put things in place, corruption would reduce atleast outside the government. But sadly, our present government encourages corruption. For me, violent change is the only way out but how many people can support this?

It is vicious circle that need just a little bit of insights to break.People should put themselves in the place of common ants and see how easy it is to thrive as a team when a little bit of coordinated efforts are made.

With reference to the corruption history in Nigeria,the leaders started it and they're still doing it. So the leaders deserve all the blames.

waleadex: With reference to the corruption history in Nigeria,the leaders started it and they're still doing it. So the leaders deserve all the blames.

u re forgetting that d leaders of today were d people 10-20yrs bck en dey also complained of bad leadership buh today re dey any better?
i still tink d people need to adjust their way of life and Nigeria can be a better place.

Exactly @Op, our slogan shuld read Nigerians are the problems of Nigeria. I witnessed corruption when I went with my mum to visit her friend dat works for 1 of these motherless children's home I saw how dese people share donations individual give to take care of dese kids n while d sharing was goin on dey were discussing on how PDP/APC are destroying d country. I almost wept for d children. I told dem dat with d wickedness n hate of Nigerians d devil has finally met his match. I agree with dem wen dey say "dere will be blood shed" in 2015 but its NOT goin to be d innocent but eventually dese criminals will start killing each oda and dere blood will be used to cleanse d land of wickedness n hate.

Another Mumu topic.

Do you actually think the average man in the UK or US wants to be incorruptible? Fact is they are as dubious as the man we have in this part of the world else we would not have the controls and control systems we have in that world. Who takes ultimate responsibility for those controls? Leadership!

Leaders drive change and not followers. It took one woman, Mary Slessor, to let some people know that killing of twins is evil and she moved to stop the practice. Those people would have carried on with that practice as normal business if not for Slessor.

That is leadership driving change and making the people see through the lenses of change.

I look through Goodluck Jonathan's lens, what do I see? I see corruption, incompetence and cluenessness. I do not see change and so how can such a leader motivate his people to change?

Change is leadership. It is not a 'bend down' select process where you expect everyone to just start acting right. Leaders must drive change if they are truly leaders.

ballabriggs: Another Mumu topic.

Do you actually think the average man in the UK or US wants to be incorruptible? Fact is they are as dubious as the man we have in this part of the world else we would not have the controls and control systems we have in that world. Who takes ultimate responsibility for those controls? Leadership!

Leaders drive change and not followers. It took one woman, Mary Slessor, to let some people know that killing of twins is evil and she moved to stop the practice. Those people would have carried on with that practice as normal business if not for Slessor.

That is leadership driving change and making the people see through the lenses of change.

I look through Goodluck Jonathan's lens, what do I see? I see corruption, incompetence and cluenessness. I do not see change and so how can such a leader motivate his people to change?

Change is leadership. It is not a 'bend down' select process where you expect everyone to just start acting right. Leaders must drive change if they are truly leaders.

anoda gej hater..
mary stopped d killing of twins en u think one leader can stop corruption in a country without the co-operation of the people? no matter how good a country is, there's bound to be corrupt people buh the rate in nigeria is too much.. wen a person says 'since d leaders re corrupt, corruption is d only way i can survive' and 90% percent of d people have dis mentality, how do u expect corruption to stop? i'm not saying d leaders re not to be blamed buh the people are forgetting dat dey re playing a vital role in increasing corruption..
thank u

The Government in Nigeria is the innocent mirror of the nation. The quality of government and its leaders, is simply a reflection of the collective consciousness of all the people in Nigeria. In some instances, leaders who came to power as the champions of anti-corruption have themselves been charged with being involved with levels of corruption even more serious than those of their predecessors. If the collective consciousness in Nigeria is disintegrated and negative, and people are not behaving in accord with Natural Law, then problems and corruption will be an unavoidable phenomenon of government. If, on the other hand, the collective consciousness in Nigeria is positive, integrated, and coherent, then the government will not be influenced by any negativity. If the people in Nigeria wish to be protected from corruption in government, then they must create an integrated collective consciousness. Positivity and harmony should be so strong and dense in national consciousness that negative influences cannot penetrate it.

gerald09: Exactly @Op, our slogan shuld read Nigerians are the problems of Nigeria. I witnessed corruption when I went with my mum to visit her friend dat works for 1 of these motherless children's home I saw how dese people share donations individual give to take care of dese kids n while d sharing was goin on dey were discussing on how PDP/APC are destroying d country. I almost wept for d children. I told dem dat with d wickedness n hate of Nigerians d devil has finally met his match. I agree with dem wen dey say "dere will be blood shed" in 2015 but its NOT goin to be d innocent but eventually dese criminals will start killing each oda and dere blood will be used to cleanse d land of wickedness n hate.

u can imagine... en these people will still criticize d government wen dey re no better dan dem..

eyenCalabar: The point is that the system has forced almost everybody to embrace corruption. People just fine means of survival because of how rough/bad the country is hence meddling into corrupt practices: knowingly and unknowingly. Imagine the lingering ASUU strike now and when the school finally resumes, if you were a final year student, wouldn't you do anything just to leave the school before another strike hit you? I think I would do. So if the government put things in place, corruption would reduce atleast outside the government. But sadly, our present government encourages corruption. For me, violent change is the only way out but how many people can support this?

two wrongs can never and will never make a right..

Leaders are meant to lead, that is the reason they are there, if they lead by example, others will follow, Nigerians are not the problem, it is our leaders. The attempt to pass off the incompetence and corrupt nature of our leaders on ordinary Nigerians will not succeed, the clerk is corrupt because he sees the commissioner and the governors being corrupt.

When you have a mad leg, you don't have a mad man, but when you have a mad head, the whole man is mad. I've never seen a bad leader whose country went forward when he was in government. Have you seen one before op? It is possible that the same country may move forward when a good leader comes in. It is not the citizens that changed but the leader. In most cases, citizens will adapt to the vision of a leader. Didn't Lagosians adapt to Fashola's rules when he came into government?

fabulousdame:
anoda gej hater..
mary stopped d killing of twins en u think one leader can stop corruption in a country without the co-operation of the people? no matter how good a country is, there's bound to be corrupt people buh the rate in nigeria is too much.. wen a person says 'since d leaders re corrupt, corruption is d only way i can survive' and 90% percent of d people have dis mentality, how do u expect corruption to stop? i'm not saying d leaders re not to be blamed buh the people are forgetting dat dey re playing a vital role in increasing corruption..
thank u

if our leaders are willing to stop corruption, people will cooperate. If the leaders go to jail for their offences, you think an average Nigerian won't obey the law? How come people who find it difficult to obey rules go abroad and are able to obey rules suddenly? Because they have a law that is functional.

Olumidzti: When you have a mad leg, you don't have a mad man, but when you have a mad head, the whole man is mad. I've never seen a bad leader whose country went forward when he was in government. Have you seen one before op? It is possible that the same country may move forward when a good leader comes in. It is not the citizens that changed but the leader. In most cases, citizens will adapt to the vision of a leader. Didn't Lagosians adapt to Fashola's rules when he came into government?

if the whole body is mad, one day d body will drive the head insane and d man will be mad. where do leaders come from? is it not d people? u expect a bad tree to bear good fruits? it's impossible.

Olumidzti: if our leaders are willing to stop corruption, people will cooperate. If the leaders go to jail for their offences, you think an average Nigerian won't obey the law? How come people who find it difficult to obey rules go abroad and are able to obey rules suddenly? Because they have a law that is functional.

how will d leaders go to jail wen the so called judge is also corrupt..if d judge is not corrupt, den d leaders will go to jail. is the corrupt judge not a part of the people?

Nice thread.

sholay2011: Nice thread.

thanks

Corruption didn't start from the leaders.......It has always been in the blood of Nigerians!
Here's a post I made months ago.

[b]Until nigerians realize that they are the ones making life hard for themselves, nothing will change.
abeg who are the Nepa officials not doing their job?
Who are the police officers?
Who are the vice chancellors that are not maintaining institutions well?
Who are the civil servants?
Who are those in ministry of Health Embezzling money that's mean't to maintain hospitals?

Are they politicians? Guys they are nigerians like you displaying laxities in their duties. I can tell that almost all nigerians take their duties both at work and in the society at large with levity.
What they fail to always realize is that this laxity of theirs is making a fellow nigerian to suffer and the suffering they are going through as well is also as a result of another nigerian failing in his duty.

To top it all, they forget leaders/politicians are chosen out of them; thereby the leaders represent what they are. I can tell most nigerians will also refuse to do their job if at all they also become a leader. Until we realize its our society who's got problem nothing will change, we will only go on in the same cycle.


[size=16pt]When Jonathan was shoeless, I can bet my life he was blaming government for everything, now that he is in power, what has he done differently? Nigerians need to use their thinking faculties and see the real problem! Start changing yourselves, your home, your society orelse things will continue to get worse(as we've been having worse leaders as each election passes). Only a dumb fellow continue to use an approach for a long time without getting a positive result and still continues in that path.[/size] I think I've said enough[/b]

And this

speedyboi: Nigerians always forget that:
Today, was once yesterday's tomorrow.....The leaders of today were once yesterday's youths. The average Nigerian wants to take advantage of any position he/she finds his/her self. We need a major re-orientation in this country. See another set of Nigerians overblowing OJB's bills. Why? Part of the syndrome!

We must always remember that we cannot reap where we did not sow. Your nonchalant attitude in your various jobs is making another set of Nigerians to suffer. Afterall, Nigerians are the ones working in PHCN, Road Maintenance agencies, Water Corporation, Police Force, Civil Service, Pension Funds etc.

Nigerians THINK!

speedyboi: Corruption didn't start from the leaders.......It has always been in the blood of Nigerians!
Here's a post I made months ago.





And this

i guess from all this, nigerians are the cause of their own problems. just like someone said earlier.

@speedyboi...I feel that your post. Nice one.

sholay2011: @speedyboi...I feel that your post. Nice one.

Thanks buddy