Where is davidylan? Are you gonna yellow belly yourself out of this matter? Please don' flip flop about this. I dislike flip flopper who flip flops more than the pool side rubber flip floppers.

olabowale:

Where is davidylan? Are you going to yellow belly yourself out of this matter? Please don' flip flop about this. I dislike flip flopper who flip flops more than the pool side rubber flip floppers.

he is probably too busy to reply to recycled misinformation

Hi Mad_Max

In the Jewish system, there are three kinds of law that God used to guide the people of Israel. The Moral law also known as the ten commandments, written by the figure of God, the ceremonial laws and the civil laws, written by Moses but dictated by God. It was not God's intention for these laws to be a burden to the people of God. The people of Israel failed to understand the purpose of these laws. In fact, they confusef matters by increasing or adding their traditions to these set of laws. No wonder Jesus categorically shun Jewish people and even used the word "woe" on the Israelites. When Christ died on the cross, the civil and ceremonial laws were abolish when Christ died. Some of the ceremonial laws required the people of God kill sacrifice and celebrate certain days. These days were also refered to Sabbaths. These Sabbaths were abolished but not the Sabbath in the Ten commandments. The Jewish people misunderstood Jesus when He healed lots of people on the Sabbath. The creator of the Sabbath comes and He showed them how to keep it but they just couldn't get it. According to Isaiah, 58, the Sabbath is a day to do good things a lot and not our own pleasures.

The same Jesus who died on the cross has a Jewish Heritage. Paul in Galathia 3:26, confirm that when we accept Christ, we belong to His family, for there is neither slave or bond, rich or poor, men and women, jew or gentile, for we are all family through the adoption of Christ via His blood. this means that we are now spiritual Israelites because we all believe in Christ. Only those who accepts Christ as their Savior and Lord have this privilege.

Now if you don't believe in Christ, then, it will be difficult for you to understand this truth. Only God can bring conviction to your heart. I can't do that for you. Mark 12:29 is only refering to the first ten commandments where Jesus is quoting from. I will be glad to give you a bible study so that you can understand the concept of trinity. This is not something we can just explain here. But I will give you a background:

Both Quran and the Bible explained the need for a sacrifice to be paid to ramsomed man from sin. Both believe that no man can died for man. That a messiah must come, who is both man and God at the same time. This is still mysteries to all. But it had to happend. The problem is not that Moslems do not believe in Messiah, it is just that it is not clear if Jesus who came some two thousand years ago is the messiah. Many passages in quran similar to the ones in the bible, especially the book of Isaiah definite about who charasteristics of Jesus. If you have time, read the book of Isaiah 53, 59 and 61 along with quran and also the books of Matt, Mark and John and see the relationship. If you have an open mind and willing use inductive and deductive methods of studying the Bible, God will show you mighty things. Arguing with people is not going to help you. You will need to study the Bible and Quran prayerfully to understand what God is telling you. I have the feeling that you are searching for truth. You will find it. But you can't find if you are desire to argue with people. God bless you.

@Noetic: Davidylan is like you ducking. Both of you are hiding behind your index fingers! You should take a stab at the question. Come on man, show some spunks.

olabowale:

@Noetic: Davidylan is like you ducking. Both of you are hiding behind your index fingers! You should take a stab at the question. Come on man, show some spunks.

ducking from what? Its not easy to read spam.

@Davidylan.
Hey there.

@Weimar,

Thanks for the offer of a free bible study but I'm going to have to say, "Nay."

I have my own views on the Sabbath and you have yours, and there's absolutely no reason they should agree.That's a nice thing, isn't it? Yeah.

I decided to post on this forum again in order to bring back the topic, as other threads are still asking the same question and i do not want us to keep repeated ourselves.

So the questions remain.

I see some are for the sabbath and some are not for it. Interesting indeed.

What sayeth the scriptures? Can anyone show a passage nullifying the Creation seventh-day Sabbath? And if so, why did the followers of Jesus still keep it in accordance with the requirements of the 10 commandments?

Also can someone show a passage of scripture commanding, or indicating, that Sunday be kept as the Lord's day?

Honestly it is just common sense really
Even if you are not a christian don't you think abiding by the ten commandments will keep you out of trouble?
Those commandments are there for your own good.

vanitty:

Honestly it is just common sense really
Even if you are not a christian don't you think abiding by the ten commandments will keep you out of trouble?
Those commandments are there for your own good.

which of the commandments? stoning of people to death because they pick sticks on the sabath or not boiling a baby goat in its mothers milk?

toneyb:

which of the commandments? stoning of people to death because they pick sticks on the sabath or not boiling a baby goat in its mothers milk?

what book, chapter and verse did u read that from.?

Are The Ten Commandments Really Necessary? yes very very important more.

If the ten commandments are necessary, then;
Why do people call the name of GOD in vain numerous times every day?
Why do the bow at images of cross and revere the cross and crucifix?
Why are Christians and Jews alway eager to kill a Moslem or Arab in retaliation for thtem killing a christian?
Why is no Christian ready to Keep the sabbath day (no matter which day it is) holy?
Why is it children are to obey and honour pastors, priests and reverend fathers more than their parents?
Why are Christian encourage to steal, cheat and commit all other forms of corruption in the name of prosperity (as long as they pay tithes)?
Why is adultery condoned in the churches, you have many unmarried couples as members of a church, sometimes with numerous children or heavily pregnant?

And so on.

wirinet:

If the ten commandments are necessary, then;
Why do people call the name of GOD in vain numerous times every day?
Why do the bow at images of cross and revere the cross and crucifix?
Why are Christians and Jews alway eager to kill a Moslem or Arab in retaliation for thtem killing a christian?
Why is no Christian ready to Keep the sabbath day (no matter which day it is) holy?
Why is it children are to obey and honour pastors, priests and reverend fathers more than their parents?
Why are Christian encourage to steal, cheat and commit all other forms of corruption in the name of prosperity (as long as they pay tithes)?
Why is adultery condoned in the churches, you have many unmarried couples as members of a church, sometimes with numerous children or heavily pregnant?

And so on.

wirinet how are you doing out there?

wirinet:

If the ten commandments are necessary, then;
Why do people call the name of GOD in vain numerous times every day?

what does this have to do with the 10 commandments?

Why do the bow at images of cross and revere the cross and crucifix?

what does the cross and crucifix signify?

Why are Christians and Jews alway eager to kill a Moslem or Arab in retaliation for thtem killing a christian?

from ur birth year till now, can u give us one example of this happening.

Why is no Christian ready to Keep the sabbath day (no matter which day it is) holy?

i tot u were an atheist. define holiness as obtained in the new testament?

Why is it children are to obey and honour pastors, priests and reverend fathers more than their parents?

where did u get that from the bible? u are suffering from massive delusion.

Why are Christian encourage to steal, cheat and commit all other forms of corruption in the name of prosperity (as long as they pay tithes)?

why are atheists encouraged to talk ignorantly through their noses?
stealing and all forms of corruption is by choice and has nothing to do with religious affiliations.

Why is adultery condoned in the churches, you have many unmarried couples as members of a church, sometimes with numerous children or heavily pregnant?

sounds like u have been visiting churches lately, . . , .u are beginning to realise the holes and emptiness in atheism. Jesus is Lord.
adultery is by choice. And there are wages for sin.

@ Noetic,

What do you mean by asking the what calling the name of God in vain has to do with ten commandments, The forth commandment says "thou shall not take the name of thy God in Vain" if you have forgotten go back and read it.

It does not matter what the Cross and Crucifix signify, The second commandment clearly states "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of [b]anything [/b]that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth". The commandment says any image and that includes Cross, Crucifix or image of the last supper.

Christians and Jews have killed Moslems and Jews in retaliation from time immemorial, it happened in the bible and it is is still happening today. Ask Jos Moslems during the last riots.

In both the new and old testement, holiness means a day you do not engage in any form of commercial activity, social or political activity.

Christians condones stealing and corruption, the modern name for it in the church is called prosperity or blessing. You find someone who is jobless, without a bicycle to his name suddenly buying a jeep. The pastor will make an example of that person as someone whom God has blessed. If the church does not condone stolen money, i am sure corruption will reduce, but then the churches need their share of the loot (tithes).

I do not get your reasoning how you relate the fact that the church condones fornication and adultery to emptiness and holes of atheism. My wife is a born again Christian and her church reeks of sexual immorality that she stopped going for a while.

wirinet:

@ Noetic,

What do you mean by asking the what calling the name of God in vain has to do with ten commandments, The forth commandment says "thou shall not take the name of thy God in Vain" if you have forgotten go back and read it.

This has to do largely with swearing. People of all religions and atheists alike, swear with the name of Jesus. so??

It does not matter what the Cross and Crucifix signify, The second commandment clearly states "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of [b]anything [/b]that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth". The commandment says any image and that includes Cross, Crucifix or image of the last supper.

The key notion is worship. u have not said anytin that suggests that any of these images are worshipped. do these images represent buddha?
To help a person form good imaginative pictures in his heart pictures are very important. The pictures are not objects of worship, but familiarizes us with the source of our salvation. I can identify with a cross, cos Jesus died for me on a cross, and it was on that cross that HE declared that it is all over. I can identify with the image of the last supper cos the events of that supper are the only things he asked us to do in remembrance of Him.

Christians and Jews have killed Moslems and Jews in retaliation from time immemorial, it happened in the bible and it is is still happening today. Ask Jos Moslems during the last riots.

Story. . .story. . .story
I asked u for evidences of these events (Christians killing Muslims) that have happened in ur life time.

In both the new and old testement, holiness means a day you do not engage in any form of commercial activity, social or political activity.

sorry, that is not the meaning of holiness.
Holiness is the presence of the spirit in a person, that teaches him/her the truths about life, to avoid sin and spiritual death.

As for the sabath, I have a limited knowledge in that subject but believe that our service to the Father is what counts.

Christians condones stealing and corruption, the modern name for it in the church is called prosperity or blessing. You find someone who is jobless, without a bicycle to his name suddenly buying a jeep. The pastor will make an example of that person as someone whom God has blessed. If the church does not condone stolen money, i am sure corruption will reduce, but then the churches need their share of the loot (tithes).

This is very unobjective on ur part. Christianity does not condone stealing and corruption. you are only deducing this from the breakdown and ills of the society. But I believe that atheists and muslims are also members of the society.

I do not get your reasoning how you relate the fact that the church condones fornication and adultery to emptiness and holes of atheism. My wife is a born again Christian and her church reeks of sexual immorality that she stopped going for a while.

very simple. Your last post reflected ur personal reflection of the church. So why would an atheist have a personal and informed reflection of the church, except he has been attending one. why would an atheist attend a church? he has started observing the many contradictory and irrational rantings of atheism.

Good to know that ur wife has a good discerning spirit, which enabled her to abscond from a church where immorality is rampant. This spirit can only come from God.

I have met several unintelligent people postulating atheism, who cannot withstand a critical intellectual analysis of their disbelief. But that does not make me say all atheists are irrational or unintelligent. The same is ur case with Christianity.

Your difference holds mo water. So because Buddhists and sango worshipers call the name pf God in vain should mean Christians and Jews should do the same. I have news for you, it is not a commandment for Buddhists and Hindus but for Jews and Christians. It is following the Laws of a religion that makes one a member of that religion.

I am glad you are not asked to translate the Bible into your language, you will mislead your people greatly. The commandment cannot possibly be more explicit, it says (once more) "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth". It did not mention anything about worship, and neither did the commandment make room for any exceptions.

We are talking about holiness as regard to keeping the Sabbath holy, as contained in the commandments and not holy as in an individual.

I see you are not in support of following the commandments literally.

wirinet:


Your difference holds mo water. So because Buddhists and sango worshipers call the name pf God in vain should mean Christians and Jews should do the same. I have news for you, it is not a commandment for Buddhists and Hindus but for Jews and Christians. It is following the Laws of a religion that makes one a member of that religion.

I see u uphold ignorance as the standard for knowledge.
The commandment is the commandment. Obeying it or disobeying it has nothing to do with the commandment, but the individuals  involved.
so what are u saying?

I am glad you are not asked to translate the Bible into your language, you will mislead your people greatly. The commandment cannot possibly be more explicit, it says (once more) "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath or that is in the water under the earth".  It did not mention anything about worship, and neither did the commandment make room for any exceptions.

Fine. I am also wondering where u got the impression that atheistic irrationality equals in-depth biblical understanding.
The bible says create no image for worship. I am asking u, are these images u listed being worshipped? do u know the meaning of worship?

We are talking about holiness as regard to keeping the Sabbath holy, as contained in the commandments and not holy as in an individual.

I see you are not in support of following the commandments literally.

and whats the basis of this misinformation?

@davidylan

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 Re: Are The Ten Commandments Really Necessary?
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Quote from: ayinba1 on August 02, 2008, 07:51 PM
@David,

Islamic glasses? shuo you don meet Fhemmmy before? Please explain how the sabbath day was done away with and how Sunday was arrived at?


What a hypocrite!   Here demanding "explanation" and yet failing to do so when pertinent questions were asked of her on previous threads. Responding to your likes is a waste of time.


Quote from: ~Lady~ on August 02, 2008, 08:19 PM
I agree, I want to see the scripture that says that the Sabath is done away with. David likes using scripture, I want him to use it here too.

*silly christians twisting the Bible to validate themselves.*


Another "christian" in name only, a modern day pharisee, blind, lost and in need of spiritual guidance.

Mark 2:23And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.

  24And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?

  25And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?

  26How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?

  27And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

  28Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath

Madam "i know it all" ~Lady~,
- Was Christ WILFULLY DISOBEDIENT to the law of the sabbath?
- What was the real message in verse 27?

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

- If Christ had broken the sabbath, "a sin in the old testament", how did HE ascend the cross as the SINLESS ONE?

Colosians 2:16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

  17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

~Lady~, was brother Paul also a "silly" christian simply twisting scripture to validate himself?
 
PLEASE, my brother, the bone of contention between JESUS and the pharisees was not wether it was lawful to keep the sabbath ,rather on what was lawful to do on the sabbath day.
From the places you quoted from the bible, Jesus healed on the sabbath,the pharisees
queried the healing because it was on the sabbath. In reply Jesus asked them why they go to the pit and bring out their sheep if it falls into the pit on the sabbath day. The pharisees were silent. Meaning if you can save the life of an animal on a sabbath day, it is not unlawful for me to save a human life on the same sabbath day. In matthew 12;12 Jesus said, How much thin is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath day.

Again the disciplesl ploughed corn and ate on the sabbath when they were very hungry after a long journey the pharisees accused them of breaking the sabbath. In defence Jesus asked them what David and his followers did the day they were very hungry after
a long journey. In reply they said that they went to the temple and ate the bread that was reserved for the priest alone. Meaning if it was not counted as sin for them because
they were very hungry, the disciples should be excused for their action.

Jesus went further to tell them that He is the lord of the sabbath. Please be sincere to your Christianity ,does any of these statements show that the sabbath has been done away with?

Again you quoted colossian 2;16- Let no one judge you in meat or in drink
or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or sabbath days.
I want you to make further research in the bible. You will find out that there are more than four types of Sabbathsi n the bible. among them, sabbath of passover, sabbath of atonement, see Leviticus3;27-32, for sabbath of atonement.These Sabbathsare called ceremonial Sabbaths.they are different from the seventh day sabbath, which God gave in the ten commandment as a memorial of creation.
So, Paul made the statement you quoted in colossi an because after the final sacrifice made by jesus on the cross, some people where still telling the early colossian christians
to celebrate these fulfilled sabbaths. For example Jesus was crucified on the day of atonement which was also called a sabbath, hence after his death the ceremonial sabbath of atonement came to an end since no more sacrifice was needed for the atonement of our sins. If you read further to colossians 2;17 paul called all these ceremonial observations a shadow of the things to come-meaning a temporary providence
made by God for the cleansing of sin waiting for the supreme  sacrifice made by Jesus.

So, the sabbath commanded by law is the seventh day sabbath that comes every seventh day of the week, that is every saturday. Please, for Christ sake it has not been
nullified Jesus, said in matthew 5;17-19 that he did not come to abolish the law, for until heaven and earth pass away no dot, that is fullstop or period will be removed from the law. Be sincere to yourself! has heaven and earth passed away? If no, how come
that the longest commandment in the bible has been done away with?
Please act, speak and reason like one who will be judged by the law of liberty. james 2;12.

Remain Blessed.