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Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 12:42pm On Dec 25, 2013
Many claims Christ was actually Born today being the 25th day of December, Others beleive thus that "Although he truely wasn't born on this day, but this so-termed special day was actually coined out to Celebrate Him: The Messaiah for His much Significant Birth".

Uhmmmnnn... So very Interesting, such controversial thoughts has seemed... Yet though, I've really got some points to Stretch.

Promising to Continue By Evening After Getting Ur much-valued thoughts abt dis Self-acclaimed glorious celebration, I hereby leave Us with a Little Nut to Crack:

1. As christain believers, to what grounds do we then justify our celebrating of a certain Day, with regards to it being a day which we believe dat our Dear Messaiah was born into Earth, hence it was neva commanded?

2. Considering d fact that this Celebration aint Biblical, and was also Neva Instituted by Christ nor was it eva done by Him while alive - Do you still beleive dat we as Christ-Emulating beleivers has any reason to celebrate dat which Our Messaiah neva did nor commanded?

3. Christ saw the Importance Behind His Death and Asked us to celebrate it gloriously (Despyt d fact dat we self-claiming christains neva do care much abt this) In his remembrance. If His birth were dat important, wouldnt He have celebrated it all tru his reign on Earth, or possibly - shudnt He have demanded dat we do it?

Still Wondering.....

Owk!


4. How rational does d celebrating of sumOnes birthday on a day He neva truely was born appear? - Aint such a Cheap Lie? - Aint it Blasphemous? - Do you really think dat Christ wia ever he myt be now, wud be happy at such cheap constituted lies of much practice? Aint dis yet Anoda Way dat d Deceptive Fellow (Satan) has devised to get more souls to himself?

5. This is A so called Christain feast dat is much more of importance to Pegans, and also accompanied with Ill-fated Deeds such as Killings, Rituals, Demeaning such as Robbery, Prostitution and just name it!, all at wat eva cost just to live it Big - How could one Reconcile diz as to being a thing of Joy to Our Most High God, and Most Beloved Son?

6. How Many of Us has Ever done an Extra Work as to knowing the Truth behind this practice dat We possibly were born into and has most possibly grown up to meet?

7. Ever Cared to Know The Truth Behind Christmas?


*** I leave US to Our thoughts

Just Say It!

It promises to be great, meanwhile stay cool and Remain Blessed!.
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by amaboy06(m): 12:44pm On Dec 25, 2013
So what are u now saying
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 2:55pm On Dec 25, 2013
amaboy06: So what are u now saying

If only you could read my post again without attaching even the smallest iota of Dogmatism, I bet you'd Understand... #winks!
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 4:20pm On Dec 25, 2013
I know I myt be sounding as A person who myt have been under an Illusion. Many whud far-think me as to being yet anoda Noisy and heavily Brain-washed fellow. A most probable blabbering Witness, and other words of it sort, but howeva, d truth must always be told. While You stil ponder on proferring Answers to my Questions, I summise you cud so love to have Fun... Atleast: You cud be glad to learn yet anoda truth behind TODAY. @ https://www.nairaland.com/1568436/merry-yuletide-all-pagan-brethren #smirks
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 5:00pm On Dec 25, 2013
I know everyone still cares to know the truth... Some would rada choose to know WHY I sound so strange - but without Affiliating the ever descrepant Religious Denomination as to being a source of Sentiment in ur Judgement and Comprehension of My View, I think the Questions are quite Straight and Easy to answer.....


And glad to note!



Am still waiting for ur Much Valued thoughts and Answers, but lately I got this Help which I so appreciate... I certainly wont be bumming enormous energy, or having to cause more stress to my ever busy brain cells, while trying to provide you with The History and Significance Of Much Idolatrous Christmas,


Here's it at Ur Disposal, Just View @ https://www.nairaland.com/1568465/christmas-idolatrous-event-histroy#20450411


Wow....


I need Answers Plzzzz.... Ur Church no mata at all for Here... Just talk ur mind fellas!
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 6:13pm On Dec 25, 2013
#Clears throat!
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 6:31pm On Dec 25, 2013
"C. In the 4th century CE,

Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians.[2]

D. The problem was that there was nothing intrinsically Christian about Saturnalia. To remedy this, these Christian leaders named Saturnalia’s concluding day, December 25th, to be Jesus’ birthday.

E. Christians had little success, however, refining the practices of Saturnalia. As Stephen Nissenbaum, professor history at the University of Massachussetts, Amherst, writes, “In return for ensuring massive observance of the anniversary of the Savior’s birth by assigning it to this resonant date, the Church for its part tacitly agreed to allow the holiday to be celebrated more or less the way it had always been.” The earliest Christmas holidays were celebrated by drinking, intimate indulgence, singing Unclad in the streets (a precursor of modern caroling), etc.

F. The Reverend Increase Mather of Boston observed in 1687 that “the early Christians who first observed the Nativity on December 25 did not do so thinking that Christ was born in that Month, but because the Heathens’ Saturnalia was at that time kept in Rome, and they were willing to have those Pagan Holidays metamorphosed into Christian ones.”[3] Because of its known pagan origin, Christmas was banned by the Puritans and its observance was illegal in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681.[4] However, Christmas was and still is celebrated by most Christians"- Qouted..

Care for More view https://www.nairaland.com/1568269/why-catholics-continue-celebrate-idolatrous


#Na Serious Matter O!
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 6:34pm On Dec 25, 2013
I go dey Update diz post with Eyes-Openers... But Una need to Answer My Questions @#TeamUnbelievers!... #lmao
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 6:45pm On Dec 25, 2013
" I. When was Jesus born?

A. Popular myth puts his birth on December 25th in the year 1 C.E.

B. The New Testament gives no date or year for Jesus’ birth. The earliest gospel – St. Mark’s, written about 65 CE – begins with the baptism of an adult Jesus. This suggests that the earliest Christians lacked interest in or knowledge of Jesus’ birthdate.

C. The year of Jesus birth was determined by Dionysius Exiguus, a Scythian monk, “abbot of a Roman monastery. His calculation went as follows:

a. In the Roman, pre-Christian era, years were counted from ab urbe condita (“the founding of the City” [Rome]). Thus 1 AUC signifies the year Rome was founded, 5 AUC signifies the 5th year of Rome’s reign, etc.

b. Dionysius received a tradition that the Roman emperor Augustus reigned 43 years, and was followed by the emperor Tiberius.

c. Luke 3:1,23 indicates that when Jesus turned 30 years old, it was the 15th year of Tiberius reign.

d. If Jesus was 30 years old in Tiberius’ reign, then he lived 15 years under Augustus (placing Jesus birth in Augustus’ 28th year of reign).

e. Augustus took power in 727 AUC. Therefore, Dionysius put Jesus birth in 754 AUC.

f. However, Luke 1:5 places Jesus’ birth in the days of Herod, and Herod died in 750 AUC – four years before the year in which Dionysius places Jesus birth.

D. Joseph A. Fitzmyer – Professor Emeritus of Biblical Studies at the Catholic University of America, member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission, and former president of the Catholic Biblical Association – writing in the Catholic Church’s official commentary on the New Testament[1], writes about the date of Jesus’ birth, “Though the year [of Jesus birth is not reckoned with certainty, the birth did not occur in AD 1. The Christian era, supposed to have its starting point in the year of Jesus birth, is based on a miscalculation introduced ca. 533 by Dionysius Exiguus.”

E. The DePascha Computus, an anonymous document believed to have been written in North Africa around 243 CE, placed Jesus birth on March 28. Clement, a bishop of Alexandria (d. ca. 215 CE), thought Jesus was born on November 18. Based on historical records, Fitzmyer guesses that Jesus birth occurred on September 11, 3 BCE.


II. How Did Christmas Come to Be Celebrated on December 25?

A. Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose “an enemy of the Roman people” to represent the “Lord of Misrule.” Each Roman community selected a victim whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival’s conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman." ... Qouted









All these Controversial and contradictory Researches still couldnt provide Answers... Stil no Certainty as to When Christ was born even at the Expense of Much Researches.

So why are we Prioritising these Myths of Believing dat Christ Was born on the 25th day of December?
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 7:28pm On Dec 25, 2013
SumOne is making me believe things I shouldn't have. This post has attracted a minimum of 40 views yet it aint got any beta dan just a comment. Could it be that they are All literarily Dumb-Minded? Viewers... Or cud their Fingers be Fumbling at the sight of this Post?

Abeg... I need Comments from #TeamCritics and Answers from #TeamUnbelievers... #lol!
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 8:20pm On Dec 25, 2013
If una no Answer These questions, Me I go provoke my provocation 4 here!. #winks
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by tpia5: 9:16pm On Dec 25, 2013
is it just me, or are there more christmas threads this year than previously?

i doubt its even mostly christians celebrating christmas or opening threads.
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 9:46pm On Dec 25, 2013
tpia@:
is it just me, or are there more christmas threads this year than previously?

i doubt its even mostly christians celebrating christmas or opening threads.

Lyk Usual: The path of the Righteous brightens with tym... And the truth gets to be known as the day grows Older. It shudnt be a thing of the New if many threads emerge 2 bring Demise to this Ill-fated celebration nicked "Xmas"... I think its a thing of Joy having to learn dat many are beginning to accept the truth, no mata how painful it always seem. I'd keep re-iterating dat "Xmas aint worth the Stress at All!"
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by amaboy06(m): 10:40pm On Dec 25, 2013
Abeg where my charger?
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 8:01pm On Dec 26, 2013
Am waiting for answers, just as Am humbly hungry for criticisms. Where my Pple's @? #TeamCritics, #TeamUnbelievers, #TeamThomas, #TeamKnow's-it-All, #TeamI-no-go-gree, #TeamDogmatism, #TeamI-don't-Care #TeamViewer & #TeamEtc... #smirksiousLOL
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by Chuksxp: 11:20pm On Dec 26, 2013
Some consider one day more sacred than another; others consider every day alike. Everyone should be fully convinced in their own mind. Those who regard one day as special do so to the Lord. Those who eat meat do so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and those who abstain do so to the Lord and give thanks to God. ~ Romans 14:5,6

In other words, if you celebrate Christmas, do so to the glory of God. And if you don't celebrate Christmas, do so to the glory of God!

So let's stop judging one another and rather spur one another unto good works.
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 11:45pm On Dec 26, 2013
Chuksxp:

In other words, if you celebrate Christmas, do so to the glory of God. And if you don't celebrate Christmas, do so to the glory of God!

So let's stop judging one another and rather spur one another unto good works.

Can one actually lie to the glory of d lord?... Can I possibly 4nicate to d glory of d Almighty?

Bro,... D truth stil lies bare. You and I knows 2 well dat celebrating sumones bufday wn we consciously knw its not, is such a beautiful lie. Maybe its lying to d glory of our lord. #lol
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by Chuksxp: 9:51am On Dec 27, 2013
IfyChuky:

Can one actually lie to the glory of d lord?... Can I possibly 4nicate to d glory of d Almighty?

Bro,... D truth stil lies bare. You and I knows 2 well dat celebrating sumones bufday wn we consciously knw its not, is such a beautiful lie. Maybe its lying to d glory of our lord. #lol

I just posted a scripture showing how some people can consider a day to be special, while others do not consider a day to be special, yet you still want to argue it. That scripture says nothing about lying or fornicating to the glory of God. However, it does say something about setting aside a day as special unto the Lord.

So let me ask you, how would you apply that scripture in your life?
Re: Ever Cared To Know The Truth About Christmas? by IfyChuky(m): 7:24pm On Dec 28, 2013
Chuksxp:

I just posted a scripture showing how some people can consider a day to be special, while others do not consider a day to be special, yet you still want to argue it. That scripture says nothing about lying or fornicating to the glory of God. However, it does say something about setting aside a day as special unto the Lord.

So let me ask you, how would you apply that scripture in your life?

I cud stil fairly rem'ba dat we aint discussing or rada tryna argue over days which are to be made sacred. I had only wanted to let you understand how such a blasphemous act of celebrating d messaiah's birthday goes to portraying perversion and most importantly lies against Christ.

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