I would like to preface this post by stating that this is NOT an anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli post. I am very much in favour of having a state as it is now as Israel and would not wish any harm to come to Israel. Neither do I wish any harm to the Palestinian people. I think the Jews and Arabs states basically have what it takes to build peace in the Middle East, were it not for both sides attachment to bronze age dogmas.


Now, here we go;

Advocates for the biblical Israel claim the land was given to them by their god as a Promise or Covenant they had with god. To this end, god drove out the existing populations from these lands (usually by genocidal means) and settled his beloved people thereon. Now, if the Jews can hack back to the 3000 years old claim as the rightful owners of these lands, could it not also be possible to bring charges of genocide of the various tribes whose lives and lands where forcibly taken away by the Jews? If one claim is valid, certainly the other must be valid too.

For a biblical account of how the Jews acquired some of their land, here are some passages from the bible;

1 Samuel 15:2-3
Thus saith the LORD of hosts , go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Deuteronomy 7:2 says, "And when the Lord your God gives them over to you, and you defeat them; then you must utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, and show no mercy to them."

Joshua 10:40 states, "So Joshua smote the whole land; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded."

Numbers 31:
7 They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. 8 Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba—the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. 9 The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. 10 They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. 11 They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, 12 and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle.
15 "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. 16 "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Any views?

I would like to preface this post by stating that this is NOT an anti-Jewish, anti-Israeli post. I am very much in favour of having a state as it is now as Israel and would not wish any harm to come to Israel. Neither do I wish any harm to the Palestinian people. I think the Jews and Arabs states basically have what it takes to build peace in the Middle East, were it not for both sides attachment to bronze age dogmas.

You know what setting the Bible asides, those lands historically belong to the Jews. They have habitated that land for thousands of years, it has been acknowledged in historical books as well as literature as their lands. Palestine never belonged to muslims, a lot of the muslim lands never belonged to the muslims, Infact the only land that is sure to have been arabic is Saudi Arabia. The rest became occupied by the muslims from their quest of Jihad.

The only reason those this fight is going on because of Islam. Arabia did not try to acquire Jewish lands until Muhammad said that they are "apes and swine."

So historically those lands belonged to the Jews. They already compromised and given up a lot for peace, but the Arabs don't want peace, at least not for the Jews, because they believe that the Jews should not be allowed to exist.

Huxley, if you can identify the Amalekites or hittites then by all means head to the world court with your 3000 yr old legal proof.

@~Lady~:

You know what setting the Bible asides, those lands historically belong to the Jews. They have habitated that land for thousands of years, it has been acknowledged in historical books as well as literature as their lands. Palestine never belonged to muslims, a lot of the muslim lands never belonged to the muslims, Infact the only land that is sure to have been arabic is Saudi Arabia. The rest became occupied by the muslims from their quest of Jihad.

Your knowledge of the land of the Arabs is very poor. Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Emirates, etc, were all places where the descendants of ismail, etc were already Arabic, if its the language or common heritage that you are using, before the Islam of Muhammad. These places were known as Hijaz, a root word from which Al Jezzira the satellite News TV company name came about from.

The only reason those this fight is going on because of Islam. Arabia did not try to acquire Jewish lands until Muhammad said that they are "apes and swine."

The Children of Israel knew that some of them, from a particular village were turned to apes and Swine, as their worldly punishment before they will be punished in heavens, because of their disobedience to the commandment of Allah the Almighty. Just like Fir'awn was punished on earth by drowning, he will be punished in heavens, too.

The Jews only erased that part of their historical experience. Muhammad (as) was commanded to state the fact, as a warning against doing of evils.

Take a look of piglet with a monkey face; This is a present day phenominon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2469793/Piglet-'with-face-of-a-monkey'-born-in-China.html

So historically those lands belonged to the Jews. They already compromised and given up a lot for peace, but the Arabs don't want peace, at least not for the Jews, because they believe that the Jews should not be allowed to exist.

Adolf Hitler and company were Arabs or muslims, I bet, and, not European Christians. No wonder Mandela who knows more about ethnic suffering more than you and I, and Jimmy Carter are both in support of the palestinians. But wait is this not shameful to the christians that the palestinian Christians are not being supported against their oppressive Zionist neighbors? Since Islam calls for support of the oppressed against the oppressors, in this case the lukewarm Arabs are at least trying with their mouth, if nothing else.

No one will be happy is a community is divided and isolated from its own society. The berlin wall was knocked down, but Gaza Strip remained so separated from the West Bank that you will believe that they are two complete countries since they do not share any border with each other. How would you like that they divide Nigeria like that and still call it Nigeria?

I got a pocket full of sunshine, I got a love&I know that it's all mine

Shine some of the rays of sunshine on the issue of the palestinians, if you are sincere. I remember the Biblical story of Samson's Honey being harvested from the carcass of the lion, that he killed in the landof palestine. (Davidylan; go and read it, since you asked me in a past question, if my story about the lion and her children could ever leave a bush/wilderness they never existed in. Samson riddle that he was telling Delailah, is your answer). Woman your mensioning of love is a reminder of that. I think it is a riddle.

mentioning and not mensioning.

@Lady

The only reason those this fight is going on because of Islam. Arabia did not try to acquire Jewish lands until Muhammad said that they are "apes and swine."

The above shows your limited knowledge of Islam and how it spread.

So historically those lands belonged to the Jews. They already compromised and given up a lot for peace, but the Arabs don't want peace, at least not for the Jews, because they believe that the Jews should not be allowed to exist.

You don't have to be biased if you have no historical knowledge and please what did the Jew give for peace?

Do you really know the Jews or just posting due to lack of knowledge?