davidylan:

Young man, is the death penalty barbaric?

- The clear penalty for disobeying the law was well laid out in Exodus . . . and EVERY JEW was well aware of the consequences. How is this different from a murderer or rapist who gets the dealt penalty for their crimes?

Did you skip verse 31 or were you just blind?

Yes, my think the death penalty is barbaric. But should god be above such barbarity? Yes, I read 31. My point is the laws of god, god, the bible are all barbaric.

huxley:

Yes, my think the death penalty is barbaric. But should god be above such barbarity?

God is not bound by your clearly myopic approach to issues. The 2 atomic bombs was all it took to end world war II, but surely the USA should have been above such "barbarity" dont you think?

huxley:

Yes, I read 31. My point is the laws of god, god, the bible are all barbaric.

Which is why no one listens to you when you come snivelling about wanting to be "convinced" by rationality. Your mind is well and truly closed. Good luck.

davidylan:

God is not bound by your clearly myopic approach to issues. The 2 atomic bombs was all it took to end world war II, but surely the USA should have been above such "barbarity" don't you think?

Which is why no one listens to you when you come snivelling about wanting to be "convinced" by rationality. Your mind is well and truly closed. Good luck.

How do you know the mind of god?

huxley:

How do you know the mind of god?

the very same way you claim to know His mind by regarding Him as barbaric.

davidylan:

the very same way you claim to know His mind by regarding Him as barbaric.

Ah, the bible.

huxley:

Ah, the bible.

you said it.

So we are agreed that according to the bible Jesus was not without sin/crime?

huxley:

So we are agreed that according to the bible Jesus was not without sin/crime?

thou sayest.

huxley:

So we are agreed that according to the bible Jesus was not without sin/crime?

Go read it and Tell me

@HUXLEY

fig tree every good tree must bear fruit on it due season, any tree witout fruit on their due season, shall be cut off and cast into the lake fire, to those that has more shall be given to, to those wit little , the little shall be taken. our sole purpose to life is to multiply in every area's of life's, that apply's to everything in life including tree's & animal's, there fore everything must serve 4 their purpose.


pig's are naturally unclean so therefore, nothing wrong wit em 'ving evil spirit, because they have it anyway, beside everything on earth belong's to god, so who are we to question his action's, he does as he please, if everything is his so why can't he?

the subject is a very funny one, it's like the clay telling the potter, why are you moulding me the way you are doing, you may need to go and have some discursion with jesus, telling him to defend his actions in those examples you cited; he is a gentle lord, huxley!, he will.

aah HUXLEY.

You only make me laff and weep for your soul

i cannot take anything you say seriously.

You have proved time without number your meandering mind

and the Bible Says, the unstable mind. . . . .

you know what lets go and report to the father (God) but you ll be our representative

guy no worry abi you don 4get say court dey heaven go baba God make u go report no fear i dey ur back

@Davidylan: « #71 on: August 09, 2008, 10:14 PM »  

Quote from: huxley on August 09, 2008, 10:13 PM
So we are agreed that according to the bible Jesus was not without sin/crime?

Davidylan's response:
thou sayest.

Whats the meaning of thou sayest? Are you in agreement with huxley, or are you not in agreement with huxley?
Your answer with help us tp know what you think Jesus meant in his own thou sayest. You will see that it is an
endictment on you, or at least what Jesus meant, since you are a christian, with the thought that you are copying Jesus.

 





[SeanT21] « #72 on: August 10, 2008, 01:24 AM »  
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Go read it and Tell me  
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The guy asked a question, there is a need for an answer, instead of running him raggedy.

 





[euromilion]  « #73 on: August 10, 2008, 09:55 PM »  
fig tree  every good tree must bear fruit on it due season, any tree witout fruit on their due season, shall be cut off and cast into the lake fire, to those that has more shall be given to, to those wit little , the little shall be taken.  our sole  purpose to life is to multiply in every area's of life's, that apply's to everything in life including tree's & animal's, there fore everything must serve 4 their purpose.

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Was that the season for that particular fig tree, instead of the general season for all Fig trees? Why should that tree act any different from its God given order of producing fruits? If truly Jesus was what you said he was, he would have commanded the tree to fruit, as a miracle. The tree would have produced fruits. If your god acted unjustly to a tree that he had given its natural order and process, just imagine how unjust he will be with other more animated things than the tree. Is this god ever could be considered just god by this killing of the tree?

pig's are naturally unclean so therefore, nothing wrong wit em 'ving evil spirit, because they have it anyway, beside everything on earth belong's to god,  so who are we to question his action's, he does as he please, if everything is his so why can't he?  

And with all of the filths, the Christians can eat enough of its flesh. The expression of you are what you eat is very correct.

 






[ohije] « #74 on: Today at 08:52:39 AM »  
the subject is a very funny one, it's like the clay telling the potter, why are you moulding me the way you are doing, you may need to go and have some discursion with jesus, telling him to defend his actions in those examples you cited; he is a gentle lord, huxley!, he will.

Ohije. And you say he is the one that you copy? Why can't you defend Jesus? Why can't you speak as gentle as Jesus? Afterall didn't Jesus say greater work shall you those who believe in him do? Now do better job, a gentler job than what your gentle lord will do. If its my mare human prophet Moses, or Jesus or Muhammad that Huxley is speaking about, I will grow a special backbone and stand firm in resolve to defend whoever he is trying to say something bad about. I will educate Huxley. Ask him, because I have been trying to engagehim, even privately.

 




[Gamine] « #75 on: Today at 09:07:46 AM »  
aah HUXLEY.

You only make me laff    and weep for your soul  

i cannot take anything you say seriously.

You have proved time without number your meandering mind

and the Bible Says, the unstable mind. . . . .

lol. At least struggle and give an engaging answer to Huxley's tons and tons of questions. But of course, not saying anything is also an answer. As they say, when you have nothing good to say, keeping quite is the next best thing.






@Bimbex:
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i think i dey your side, you know wetin we go do? make we go fix date for court (Heaven) so God go fit know wetin he pikin do on one condition say na you go represent me and you there.

who di mother way give pikin for God? watin be di mother to God? watin be God with the mother? Can a mother have pikin way no be the Husband pikin, too. Or can a father have pikin may no come from the wife, unless he do am illegal sex?

Bimbex, na wayo you day talk with your pikin for God! God no need any pikin to make Judgement, or to make forgiveness.

@OLABALE


FIG TREE

u are very intelligent i'v been waitin 4 dis question, yes, reason 4 christ cursing d tree was not because he was starving, his purpose was 2 build or boost our faith, my pple perish due 2 lack of knldge, he did it 4 us 2 realise d power in our tongue.



PIG MUNCHING

wat goes into a man, do not defile a man, but wat come's out of a man, defile's a man

Anyone thought of any more sins(crimes) of Jesus?

todak:

Hello, let me ask you this question, which do you value most, a human life or that of a pig. Please If that possesed man happened to be someone close to you, and he was delievered. I would not think you would refer to that in the bible. Please what has Jesus Christ done to us that we do not have any other work to do than to look for faults in him. He came He saw, He impacted, and he conquered. He wil neve ever be forgotten, while you go about seeking for fault instead of making your own life a blessing to your generation. I advise you study your bible for better understanding and relationship with God than searching for faults.

Why did Jesus have to send the demons into the herd of pigs?   Could he not have simply killed the demons?  Isn't he God who has all the power to do whatever good and evil he decides to do.   Could he not have simply spared the pigs and killed the demons.  Why cause suffering to innocent animals?

Would you treat animals like this  if you had the alternative of not hurting them at all?

I think replying this guy is the only reason he keeps coming with different topics to insult the sensibility of Nigerian christians on this forum. Ordinarily, a civilize human being even though from Cameroon should know that speaking blasphemy against the faith of others is insulting their collective belief and psychic. if he thinks people should not serve God again, the best place to start that campaign should be his own country not Nigeria. If you re runing a campaign and speaking evil against the faith of a people on a website that millions of their future generations and religion adherent are present, then it is as good as ridiculing their faith and collective aspiration, it is even so bad when it is a fact that you re not even a Nigerian that share their collective views on religious issues.

If a Nigerian provides you opportunity to hear your views without subscription, that does not mean you should use the same forum to insult our collective intelligence, I read from one of your post how the spread of christianity in Nigeria disgusted you, as if that is not enough you have the audacity to be talking fallacies concerning the christian faith as if you re a kind of authority on the Christian faith and not a retarded evolutionalist. Words like these have been said else where concering Islamic faith and religious crisis was the outcome of such foolish utterances. Isn't religion a personal issue? If you don't believe Jesus, must you insult those that believe Him?

Huxley,

And your point is? Prove all that you have accused him of.

I think you seek attention and i guess you have gotten it.

Why not open a forum and discuss this bullshit with your fellow atheists.

This thread is a waste of bloody space and time. echewwwwwwwwwwww

chikito1:
echewwwwwwwwwwww

Ermmm, in case you didn't know, that means a spiteful and disgusted hiss

SegzyJoe:

I think replying this guy is the only reason he keeps coming with different topics to insult the sensibility of Nigerian christians on this forum. Ordinarily, a civilize human being even though from Cameroon should know that speaking blasphemy against the faith of others is insulting their collective belief and psychic. if he thinks people should not serve God again, the best place to start that campaign should be his own country not Nigeria. If you re runing a campaign and speaking evil against the faith of a people on a website that millions of their future generations and religion adherent are present, then it is as good as ridiculing their faith and collective aspiration, it is even so bad when it is a fact that you re not even a Nigerian that share their collective views on religious issues.

If a Nigerian provides you opportunity to hear your views without subscription, that does not mean you should use the same forum to insult our collective intelligence, I read from one of your post how the spread of christianity in Nigeria disgusted you, as if that is not enough you have the audacity to be talking fallacies concerning the christian faith as if you re a kind of authority on the Christian faith and not a retarded evolutionalist. Words like these have been said else where concering Islamic faith and religious crisis was the outcome of such foolish utterances. Isn't religion a personal issue? If you don't believe Jesus, must you insult those that believe Him?

Ah well. You are not only delusional you are also xenophobic as well, are you? This give me even more grease to my elbow to rid the world of attitudes like yours.

@huxley
You might as well start your crusade with your native Cameroonians rather than coming to a forum where over 80% are Nigerians. Why do you have to remove pegs from other peoples eyes and not from your own people? If you can not stop your brothers and sisters that went for Christian program in Nigeria and the people of your village and the entire Cameroon, why do you think you can spread your vanities here, or is there no social forum in Cameroon where you can spread your illusions? Miserable atheist like yourself cannot distort the scriptures or the Christain faith by just quoting bible out of context, the truth is the Word of God has survived greater onslaught from godless people like you, the Word of God has prospered over the ages even to the confusion of people like you. And may I just inform you that you ve just embarked on a path of destruction, a path that will consume you and your fellow travellers as it does the atheist before you.

Huxley:

Your question is not for seeking the truth, but I am answering them just for the sake of answering.

You ask: Is this god ever could be considered just god by this killing of the tree?
Yes. The very reason the tree died at the command of Jesus proves beyond doubt that He is GOD. If you try and tell a tree to never bear fruit again, you know what will happen - NOTHING, because you are a human. Even the mute nature recognises the creator. Nature obeyed him which proves he is God.

Everyone believes that life and death are in God's hand. This death of tree proves that Jesus is God. Every living beings has a time of death and if God decidesdthat the tree will live no more who are we to question that. Leave alone the tree, one day God will call you when your time is up and for your own self you cannot question and argue with God (leave alone the tree!!), your soul will leave the body at the command of God. So lets stop worrying about the tree. A wise person would take this as a wake up call and find answers to the question as to how to face this God when he closes the chapter of your life, it could be today just like he did for that tree. So lets stop wailing over the tree and think about ourselves - that is the message God is giving. All the incidents in the Bible point out to us humans and its like a mirror and asking us questions, its not about tree, or fish, or bread, or lazarus rising from the dead. God is not trying to impress anybody, he is trying to reach out to you so that you can return to him as his son and live for eternity.

He did all these miracles to increase the faith of his disciples and it speaks even today to all those who believe, but not everyone has faith.
It is written: "Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."

To understand the Bible there are few basics one has to fulfill (It is written):

- "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.
-And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
- "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them".
-For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.
-Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son.
- And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life."

Huxley, you are intelligent but misled. God bless you and may you submit humbly to know the truth. Come and receive Christ humbly, if there is no truth in Christ, nobody is stopping you from returning to your intelligent ways. But one day you will stand before the one you are doubting now.

"Be happy, young man, while you are young, and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth. Follow the ways of your heart and whatever your eyes see, but know that for all these things God will bring you to judgment."

Blessings,

None of you guys are answering the questions.   You have been blinded by the stench and darkness of the cesspit that is the bible and religion as you have buried your heads in that shit for far too long.   Deal with the issues:

1)   Why is Jesus so wicked and vengeful?

2)   Why does he plan on murdering tiny little babies from day-old, month-old, year-old, etc and consigning them to HELL for eternity?  Is that LOVE?

3)   Why does he want to smash the heads of little babies against a rock?

4)    Why does he come with a sword instead of love ?

5)   Why does he damage other people's properties ?

6)   Why does he give poor life-planning advice?

7)   Why is he so blood-thirsty ?

8,)   Why does he advise parents to stone to dead their children?




These are the thing you have got to deal with rather than stick you stinky brain-washed head in the bible cesspit and leave your stinky arse up in the air pollute the world with the stinky doctrine you are ingesting from the shit in the bible.

@ poster, Please for Christ sake, we have had enough from you, you can now go to muslim section to discuss with your fellow muslim. O boy na road you mis.

None of you guys are answering the questions.
After so many posts if you still cannot hear then the problem is within and not outside.

The way you are writing Huxley, I feel you are not behaving like a normal person and spewing out so much hatred against Jesus only shows the amount of hatred is in your heart. Any person reading these posts can tell what you are going through - you are hurting yourself badly with every statement, please dont do it.

You are hurting yourself, nobody else, and much less God. But after all this and even if you were to go on Jesus still loves you, and so much love for you that he died for all the dirt and sin that you now have in you. If you give it to him, he can clean you up. I had a similar life like yours, or ever worse, I hated Christ once but he touched me with his love and transformed me. I hated the Bible but in 1993 he changed me with his love and cleansed me with his blood. I had more questions than you had, today I have peace, joy, love, hope, salvation, eternal life, and much much more here and hereafter.

You want answers, then do this and you will get all the answers.
All those 8 statements you wrote and many others before you wrote are LIES, and devil is the father of lies who has so filled you with these thoughts. If only you decide to stop this, get down on your knees now and repent of all the vulgar and wicked things you have spoken, then invite Jesus Christ into your life, you will be saved, filled with unspeakable joy and will be a complete holy person just now.

blessings Huxley,

[Ermmm, in case you didn't know, that means a spiteful and disgusted hiss]

And that is exactly what i meant

Truth11:

None of you guys are answering the questions.
After so many posts if you still cannot hear then the problem is within and not outside.

The way you are writing Huxley, I feel you are not behaving like a normal person and spewing out so much hatred against Jesus only shows the amount of hatred is in your heart. Any person reading these posts can tell what you are going through - you are hurting yourself badly with every statement, please dont do it.

You are hurting yourself, nobody else, and much less God. But after all this and even if you were to go on Jesus still loves you, and so much love for you that he died for all the dirt and sin that you now have in you. If you give it to him, he can clean you up. I had a similar life like yours, or ever worse, I hated Christ once but he touched me with his love and transformed me. I hated the Bible but in 1993 he changed me with his love and cleansed me with his blood. I had more questions than you had, today I have peace, joy, love, hope, salvation, eternal life, and much much more here and hereafter.

You want answers, then do this and you will get all the answers.
All those 8 statements you wrote and many others before you wrote are LIES, and devil is the father of lies who has so filled you with these thoughts. If only you decide to stop this, get down on your knees now and repent of all the vulgar and wicked things you have spoken, then invite Jesus Christ into your life, you will be saved, filled with unspeakable joy and will be a complete holy person just now.

blessings Huxley,

Interesting.   Can you show that I am lying?   I think you are the one lying and denying the obvious.   I got ALL my indictments against Jesus from the rotten bible.  Are you saying that these things are not in the bible?

1)  Did Jesus not send demons into someones pigs, forcing them to throw themselves off a cliff.  Is this loving behaviour or cruel behaviour?

2)  Did Jesus not kill someone's fig tree at a time of the year when figs are fruitless anyway?  Is that behaviour respectful of other people's properties?

3)  Did Jesus and his followers not walk through someone's field, stealing corn from the field?

4) Did he not tell his followers to abandon their families?

5) Did he not advise parents to stone to death their recalcitrant children?

6) Did he not say "Bring my enemies and slay them at my feet"?  Is that humane behaviour?


Do you want me to go on?   You Christians have been so thoroughly brainwashed you cannot think and don't even read your own stinking bible.   Just think about it - Would you behave like Jesus or advise anyone to behave like him today?

Dear Huxley,

You are in error and are discussing a subject with faulty knowledge. Let me tell where you are lying. I am posting the Holy Bible passage for you to read carefully and honestly and reverently from the Holy Bible, the True and Living Word of God:

]"A large herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside. The demons begged Jesus to let them go into them, and he gave them permission. When the demons came out of the man, they went into the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and was drowned." Luke 8:32-33

Huxley wrote: Did Jesus not send demons into someones pigs, forcing them to throw themselves off a cliff.  Is this loving behaviour or cruel behaviour?

This is a lie: Jesus did not send the demons into someones pigs, it was demons who requested to go into that herd of pigs and they went on their own.

This is a lie: Jesus did not force the pigs to throw themselves of a cliff. It was the demons who rushed the pigs into the lake and drowned.

This is a lie: You say, forcing them to throw themselves off cliff. There was no cliff, they went down into the lake.

This is a lie: You conveniently interchange the role of demons to that of Jesus. You are unable to see the goodness of Jesus nor see the wickedness of demons. Instead you are turning goodness into evil and hiding the demons - whose side are you on? You are attacking the goodness of Jesus and attributing demons action to Jesus. Jesus came to seek and save sinners.

This is a very simple story which anybody can understand, but you have twisted it and are trying to confuse yourself if not others. If you call sweet bitter and bitter sweet, if you call poison honey and honey poison - beware it is you who will get killed.

Whose behaviour is cruel in the story: Jesus who saved the demon possessed man who lived in the graveyard or the demons who first tried to kill the man then later killed the herd of pigs?

If you understand the greater purpose of Jesus, then it was to save the man that the Lord came to Decapolis and he finished his work. The intention of the demons was very clear - to kill this man as they killed the pigs but they could not succeed in killing the man. The intention of Christ was clear, he came to save and he did save this possessed man.

Jesus said: "The thief comes to steal, kill and destroy, but I have come that you may have life and have it abundantly"

Jesus does not delight in the death of a wicked. Repent and live.

@ huxley
The word of God is life and spirit John 6:63, and the natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit because they re foolishness to him, neither can he know them because they re spiritually discerned 1 Corrinth 2:14

The above is the obvious reason why the Word of God seemed as foolishness to you, it is beyond your grasp, you cannot comprehend it because of your depraved mind. It is not about intelligence or brilliance, it is about spirit and life.