Quaran proves - "Allah" is NOT a 'moon god':
"And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to "Allah" Who created them, if you (really) worship Him." [Holy Quran 41:37]


Question 1:
What is the significance of the crescent moon in Islam?

Answer:
The Quran answers this question before you asked it. Read this verse:

"They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage." [Holy Quran 2:189]

Question 2:
Why does Islam follow a lunar calendar?

Answer:
In both the Bible and the Quran religious festivals are regulated by the lunar calendar. Jews and Muslims have kept to these regulations which they believe to be from God. Why does Christianity follow a solar calendar?

Question 3:
Why is the feast of Ramadan marked by the appearance of the crescent moon?

Answer:
I think you mean the fast of Ramadan. God commanded Muslims in the Quran to fast from dawn to sunset during the month called Ramadan (see Quran 2:185, 187). The beginning and end of the month is determined by the crescent (2:189) based on the instruction of God's Messenger, on whom be peace.

Why this method and not another is not for us to say but for God and His Messenger to prescribe. However, I find it an efficient method. It is a universally applicable method, and it allows for Ramadan to move through all the seasons. This allows believers to have the pleasure of worshipping God by fasting in all the various seasons: one year in the summer, some years later in the winter.

Question 4:
Why does the Quran place the Sabeans on the same level with Jews and Christians when scholars have clearly proven that the Sabeans were involved in the moon cult?

Answer:
I am not aware that the Quran has placed the Sabeans on the same level with Jews and Christians. Perhaps you have in mind the following verse:

"Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabians, whoever believes in "Allah" and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
[Holy Quran 2:62; also 5:69]

This verse, however, does not place the Sabeans on the same level as the Jews and Christians except in a particular context. The verse speaks of four distinct communities, and offers all four the opportunity to fear not nor grieve if only they would believe in "Allah" and the Last Day and do right. The four communities are:

the Believers (i.e., the Muslims)
the Jews
the Christians
the Sabeans

While they are all offered the same opportunity for improvement, nothing, is said in this verse about the validity of the existing faiths of these four communities. Otherwise the Jews and Christians who are criticized in the Quran for their deviations will not be placed on the same level with the believers. The matter becomes clear when you realise that believers here does not mean saved persons but those who ostensibly belong to the community of Muslims. They, as well as the other three groups, must do the following to be saved: believe in "Allah" , believe in the Last Day, and do right. Doing right, according to the Quran, includes following every teaching of Muhammad.

Question 5:
Did the Meccans worship the true God since they recognized "Allah" ? Was "Allah" one of the gods of the Ka'bah?
And if so, where did the Meccans derive the recognition and the name of "Allah" from?

Answer:
First, "Allah" was not one of the 360 idols which were in the Ka'bah, although Morey has claimed this without evidence. When the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) entered Makkah victorious he went into the Ka'bah and broke the idols therein.

Second, the word "Allah" has been used all along for the name of "God" in the Arabic Bible for Jews and Christians alike. The proof is easy to verify; simple go to any hotel or motel on the earth and look in the drawer next to the bed and take out the complimentary Bible, placed there by the Giddeons and then look on page 5 or 6 where they list the examples of translations they have made into other languages. The second example given is for Arabic speakers. The verse is from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 16. Everyone knows this one; "For God so loved the world, " and the word in Arabic for "God" is "Allah." Then if you have a Bible in Arabic, look on page one in Genesis, and you will find the word "Allah" 17 times.

Next, the word for "God" to the Arabs, ever since the time of Abraham, peace be upon him, has been "Allah" and He is to them, the Lord of the Ka'bah (the black box in the center of the Holy Sanctuary in Makkah). He was the unseen God whom they would call upon when in distress. Yes, they worshipped the true God but their worship was not purely for Him. They also worshipped other gods thinking that they would act as intermediaries between them and the true God Allah.

The Arabs know of Allah because Abraham visited Makkah and together with his son Ishmael laid the foundation of the Ka'bah. The descendants of Ishmael retained some of the worship rites and beliefs from Abraham. This included their knowledge of the true God Allah.

Elsewhere we have shown conclusively that the true god, "El" of the Bible is the same as "Allah" of the Quran.

This topic has been discussed in this forum in the links below :
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-24443.32.html#top

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53767.480.html#bot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qgbWMEedJM&NR=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6M3AkhCHWU&feature=related

davidylan:



- The God of the bible regards Himself as a FATHER, the one in the quran vehemently denies this appelation
- The God of the bible died on the cross of calvary, the one in the quran scoffs at the idea that man can kill him.

u are the greatest liar on this forum. On a thread u dont accept Jesus is God and here YOUR GOD WAS KILLED ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Change ur ways man. It wont help u

@poster

May Allah reward u abundantly

javalove:

u are the greatest liar on this forum. On a thread u don't accept Jesus is God and here YOUR GOD WAS KILLED ON THE CROSS OF CALVARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

calm down bro . . shouting doesnt make you right. Which thread did you claim you saw me "accept" Jesus CHRIST wasnt God? Bro, i am beyond convincing at this point that JESUS CHRIST THE LORD IS GOD ALMIGHTY.

He was crucified on the cross but GUESS WHAT? HE rose again! Hallelujah.

javalove:

Change your ways man. It wont help u

Change them from what to what?

javalove:

@poster

May Allah reward u abundantly

Yup, may allah reward a liar and a fraud.

It's so funny when people argue about religion. Especially since we have not one ounce of true proof that any of it is true. How are the Christians so sure Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead? How are people of other religions also sure that their account of certain events are factual?

Truth is religion is totally based on what you choose to be your truth. The only undeniable truths are things we can observe. For example, we know for a fact that trees exist.

The world would be a way better place if people stopped treating thier own religions as those they are 100% factual. Let's start to look at faith as just that. . . a matter of faith and nothing else.

When you have the evidence then you can take a leap of faith.  See the evidence for both faiths and then take an informed step of faith into the known. 
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1104/1104_01.asp

@Davidylan: « #2 on: Yesterday at 05:18:58 PM »  
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The same weak, desperate bid to force the God of the bible into the quran. THEY ARE NOT AND CAN NEVER BE THE SAME. Its not really by force bro.
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The Jews will say the same about you, since their Biblical Torah God is One Lord. And it ain't Jesus!
Come to thing about it, the Muslim God is not 3 or triun, in Trinity. That what your gods is. So you are right, the Muslim God is not the same as Christian Trinity; 3 gods. I wonder what you are saying above?





@Olaadegbu: Pedalling a lie, which is what the central concept of Christianity is, Trinity and al, will never make it more than what it really is! In America, there is that same concept of repeating a lie enough, and the people will begin to take it as the truth. Thats in other things, where you can take advantage of people. True muslims will never accept it.

For instance, I am wearing a thob or Jilbab as i am responding. I have that image of jesus dressing like that, with his full beard and shawl, and sandals. Come to think of it, "plenty," muslims dress just like that. We know from all his actions and deeds that he was a human prophet and nothing more. Now tell me, where do you find any human god, except in hinduism, Buddhism, etc? You are just like them as i see your religion!

- The God of the bible regards Himself as a FATHER, the one in the quran vehemently denies this appelation
- The God of the bible died on the cross of calvary, the one in the quran scoffs at the idea that man can kill him.

Where is the "conclusive evidence" you claim to have shown?

By the way . . . the God in the bible is NOT El . . . He is Jesus Christ, Jehovah Jireh . . . the Lord of Hosts is His name.

Need I say more? By the way you forgot the partner, holy ghost! ~Lady~ said spirit. So in honor of her I will henceforth say spirit, when i remember her! This is my sign that i am thinking of her.

So which of the Christian gods did not die with Jesus, "jehovah jireh," as you wrote above? You are a riot, man. Where is Queenisha? lol.

@Olaadegbu

I am still reading from you and the lies in the link supplied by you. I have decided not to reply you cos you couldnt say anything meaning to the issue of trinity especially the verses supplied to you where Jesus distinguished himself. So keep enjoying yourself but would come in when your cup of deceit is full.

Peace

davidylan:

The same weak, desperate bid to force the God of the bible into the quran. THEY ARE NOT AND CAN NEVER BE THE SAME. Its not really by force bro.

- The God of the bible regards Himself as a FATHER, the one in the quran vehemently denies this appelation
- The God of the bible died on the cross of calvary, the one in the quran scoffs at the idea that man can kill him.

Where is the "conclusive evidence" you claim to have shown?

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: Say: Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman (Most) Gracious) by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well), for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between) 17 (Al-Isra) verse110

You are right my bro, you do not worship the same God. Muslims do not worship Jesus. He was talking about God in the Old Testament, Torah, Who is the same God in Quran. Read both Old and New Testament again and you will see that they are not the same. Jehovah, El, Allah is not Jesus.

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute.  He begetteth (gave birth) not nor is He begotten (given birth).  And there is none like unto Him) 112 (Al-Ihklas – Oneness of God)

davidylan:

- The God of the bible regards Himself as a FATHER, the one in the quran vehemently denies this appelation

Jesus, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Him, in Islam is a prophet, a messenger from God.

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: But she pointed to the babe. They said: "How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle"? He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah. He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet. And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live. He hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)". Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is. Verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord: Him therefore serve ye: this is a Way that is straight. But the sects differ among themselves: and woe to the unbelievers because of the (coming) Judgment of a Momentous Day! . How plainly will they see and hear, the Day that they will appear before Us! but the unjust today are in error manifest!. But warn them of the Day of Distress, when the matter will be determined: for (behold,) they are negligent and they do not believe!. It is We Who will inherit the earth, and all beings thereon: to Us will they all be returned) 19Maryam, verses 29-40


(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou (did you) say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). If I had said it, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, and I do not know what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things. "If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise". Allah will say: "This is a day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are gardens, with rivers flowing beneath,- their eternal Home: Allah well-pleased with them, and they with Allah. That is the great salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires). To Allah doth belong the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is therein, and it is He Who hath power over all things) 5 Al-Maida, verses 116-120

Truly, you are right. We do not worship Jesus, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Him

shalata:

Jesus, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Him, in Islam is a prophet, a messenger from God.

Have you asked yourself why muslims are so desperate to force Jesus into their religion? Cannot Islam stand on its own without having to go borrowing "prophets" from the bible? Where are the "messages" of Jesus in YOUR QURAN?

shalata:

(In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful: Say: Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman (Most) Gracious) by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well), for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. Neither speak thy Prayer aloud, nor speak it in a low tone, but seek a middle course between) 17 (Al-Isra) verse110

You are right my bro, you do not worship the same God. Muslims do not worship Jesus. He was talking about God in the Old Testament, Torah, Who is the same God in Quran. Read both Old and New Testament again and you will see that they are not the same. Jehovah, El, Allah is not Jesus.

The same weak and desperate attempt to force the muslim god into the bible again. Where is the proof that the Jehovah Jireh in the old testament is the same god in the Quran? Is it BY FORCE that you must prove they are the same?

The Jehovah in the old testament regarded Himself as a FATHER of the FATHERLESS . . . the god of the quran DENIES that he is a father to anyone. How then can they be the same?

davidylan:

Have you asked yourself why muslims are so desperate to force Jesus into their religion? Cannot Islam stand on its own without having to go borrowing "prophets" from the bible? Where are the "messages" of Jesus in YOUR QURAN?

Desperate!!  You are funny man. It is a religion that inspired and sent from God through His Messenger to mankind. We are not Desperate to put or remove anything from Islam. Quran talks about more than 25 Prophets, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Them, to show us how people in the past did not believe, what they asked their Prophets and how God punished or blessed them.
On the other hand, do you think you really know all about Christianity, do you know that the Bible is really sixty-six individual books, written on two (or possibly three) continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more that 40 authors (who came from many walks of life),


On the other hand, the sent By God, Quran is the same one since 1429 years ago. It is the ONLY religious scripture that is diffidently the same from day one. You can search on internet about this fact and tell me latter what does it mean. Do you know that the (doctrine of the Trinity) in Christianity is taken from the ancient Egyptian religions and they called it the life key and it was the father, Osiris, the son Horas, and the mother Isis. Search about it and get some answers.

davidylan:

Where are the "messages" of Jesus in YOUR QURAN?

Don’t just say NO NO NO, and live the denial case. Bring your proves and I bring mine and we read all and each of us has the right at the end to believe whatever he wants despite it won't make his belief the right just because he believes so.

You Asked about samples from Jesus, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Him, Messages in Quran, here are few samples.
Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

From Al-Maida - (The Table)
111. Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear God, if ye have faith."
112. "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger. they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'".
113. They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
114. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O God our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
115. God said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."

From Ashura (consultation)
13. The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

davidylan:

Have you asked yourself why muslims are so desperate to force Jesus into their religion? Cannot Islam stand on its

If believing so will give you peace of mind, you may say it over and over again  Muslims are not desperate to force ANYONE in Islam, because simply we worship God The Exalted, The Absolute One, Absolute Power.

59. The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was) 3- Al-Imran

shalata:

Quran talks about more than 25 Prophets

That is the problem there. Quran is filled with vague "talks" about "prophets". There is NO historical evidence to prove that those "prophets" knew anyone called Allah. There is NO evidence within the quran itself that those "prophets" recorded the "messages" allah claimed to have sent through them . . .

What is the role of these "prophets" in islam? Mere name dropping?

shalata:

On the other hand, do you think you really know all about Christianity, do you know that the Bible is really sixty-six individual books, written on two (or possibly three) continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more that 40 authors (who came from many walks of life),

That is essentially what makes the bible more believable than your quran. Several manuscripts of the books of the bible have been found in several countries YET there is very minor difference between the contents. There is historical and archeological proof that the men who wrote those bibles existed . . . read the treatise of Josephus.

On the other hand what do we have for the quran? A book allegedly dictated by allah, containing satanic verses, some verses eaten by goats and not compiled until 300 yrs after the death of the man who claimed to have gotten the direct messages. There is NO historical or archeological proof of many mythical events in the quran, it is written in one language - arabic that still has serious problems with translation till tomorrow. If indeed the quran was so perfect, why do muslims spend so much time struggling to understand it by reading the bible?

Look through this religion section, shld you not be ashamed that 90% of muslims quote the bible rather than the quran to support their arguments?

shalata:

Do you know that the (doctrine of the Trinity) in Christianity is taken from the ancient Egyptian religions and they called it the life key and it was the father, Osiris, the son Horas, and the mother Isis. Search about it and get some answers.

this hoax has been trashed and shown up to be fallacy. Its never beyond muslims to continue propagating falsehoods like this to buttress shaky claims.

shalata:

You Asked about samples from Jesus, God's Blessings and Peace Upon Him, Messages in Quran, here are few samples.

Another big ruse . . . why are you people always coming up with "few samples"? Is it because that is really all that is in the quran, a few jumbled up, incoherent references that contain the name Jesus?

Where are the MESSAGES allah sent? Surely he did more than send us a "few samples"?

shalata:

Then will God say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

From Al-Maida - (The Table)
111. Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear God, if ye have faith."
112. "And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger. they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to Allah as Muslims'".
113. They said: "We only wish to eat thereof and satisfy our hearts, and to know that thou hast indeed told us the truth; and that we ourselves may be witnesses to the miracle."
114. Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O God our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us - for the first and the last of us - a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."
115. God said: "I will send it down unto you: But if any of you after that resisteth faith, I will punish him with a penalty such as I have not inflicted on any one among all the peoples."

From Ashura (consultation)
13. The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. God chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

Are these "messages"? There is more in the chapter on the sermon on the mount in the bible than the entire quran. What a shame and a hypocritical piece of humongous proportions.

davidyland

Your hypocrite is always dictating you, when you will be enlighten? 3000 years from now!!

Read the Quran a lot of them you can find the messages of prophets/messengers.
And not just accusing without further knowledge about it.

Do you have Christian messages about your prophets? What did Moses preach about Christianity? What others things did everyone of them claim they’re Christian prophet?
I want you to give us some documentary evidence each and everyone testified that they are Christian can you do that ?

The Quran "borrowed" prophets from the Bible in the same way the Bible "borrowed" prophets from the Torah so. . . Couldn't the Bible stand alone without borrowing prophets from the Torah? Just asking. . .

davidylan:

Have you asked yourself why muslims are so desperate to force Jesus into their religion? Cannot Islam stand on its own without having to go borrowing "prophets" from the bible? Where are the "messages" of Jesus in YOUR QURAN?

Riskie which side are u leaning? Muslim or Christian?!

Brash!:

Riskie which side are u leaning? Muslim or Christian?!

God dey but I don't lean, I stand tall

@BRASH!. Please dear brother/sister, some decorum here. Thanks

@ Riskie,

Riskie:

The Quran "borrowed" prophets from the Bible in the same way the Bible "borrowed" prophets from the Torah so. . . Couldn't the Bible stand alone without borrowing prophets from the Torah? Just asking. . .

Rite on!

@David, Aafa Dawud,

davidylan:

Have you asked yourself why muslims are so desperate to force Jesus into their religion? Cannot Islam stand on its own without having to go borrowing "prophets" from the bible? Where are the "messages" of Jesus in YOUR QURAN?

This line is really getting stale.
Give it up already! You know better than that

ayinba1:

@BRASH!. Please dear brother/sister, some decorum here. Thanks

Itz Brother and what did i do?!

Salam!

Okay dear brother Brash, please do not use the "f" word. Thank you!

@Davidylan

2. The old and new testament is ALL ABOUT THE JEWS.

Oga, are the messages therein for JEWS ONLY OR CHRISTIAN INCLUSIVE?

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