FOLYKAZE:

Yeah, you keep creating threads upon threads on something you knew that does not exist. Isnt this sensible to you?

Why didnt you go on creating thread asking for the evidence of superman because my younger sister believes that character is her hero, she even wish to be a guy so that she can help the world through super-powers. Afterall my sister believe and you disbelieve in superman. You can as well create a thread and question why he didnt save the malaysian plane crash. Or you can wait till another tragedy surface and create this thread. I dont just know who is sensible between the person that cry in the public when tragedy happens that God do not exist AND the person that belief ignorantly there is someone called God that would save him like superman.


Can you prove that God do not exist? 'God' is just a label which we all know, why would a rational person take concern for a label? Why would someone wake up only when there is a tragedy to shout a label does not exist? Why do you show much concern in something that do not exist? If something do not exist, where did you get 'omni' attributes you attached to it? Are you the one daydreaming or the God you are trying to mock?

Yeah right, the bible you are quick to pick on when God come in play refer to we human as God. Is your own parents, people, friends, mentors and self taking the label of God not existing? Inside the same bible, those that have dominions and authority to rule others are refered to as Gods. Does that mean your political leaders do not exist? Why cant you cry to those Gods for their failure not saving the crash being executed mistakenly by some Gods?

Sometime, I do think atheist are rational than the religion ones are. . . .well I am right and wrong. Some are, some are not. If you can create threads to mock 'non existing label', then you know where you belong.

In the real Christian context there is only one God . Others are referred to as gods . Though to me the case of the first letter does not really make a difference.
If a believe in superman was as prevalent as that in God, i possibly would also write to hold it up for what it is ------ rubbish .
Anyway , how is the worship of gods in the African traditional religion going with you? Thanks for your observations sha !

Emusan:

I'm not a Pastor but a finite being who has experienced supernatural.



You're welcome for being so open-minded to see it.



My first own idea of God isn't different from the way you're viewing it now NOT UNTIL God revealed Himself to me.

My idea of God now is that God is real and everything about Him is true.



About these attributes of God I will say you're right but ALL affairs of children of men I won't agree with you because SIN (an acronym for Satan's Influence over Nature) has separated man from God.
God has made it known to us that after the incident of Eden Good and Evil have both mixed up BUT there's a tiny machine called CONSCIENCE that can separate these two.



Me too but I remember in His word He said "For the creature was made subject to vanity NOT WILLINGLY but, by the reason of Him who hath subjected same in HOPE." Rom 8:20

Notice these, NOT WILLINGLY, the bolded & underlined words.



Ordinary wishful act can't create God and it will only bring the idea that man created God as Atheist do normally say BUT the fact is that If we should all assume that God truly exists then we should assume also that MAN can't design how this God may be known RATHER it's only Him who can design how MAN will know Him.

I will leave you with this statement from a fellow Nairalander called Younguz "If you have never had supernatural experience you won't believe that supernatural do exist"

I don't think you can do better than me if I had become an Atheist but God helped me even in the sinful life I'm living then by revealing Himself to me.

I am a finite being with a finite mind trying to explain an infinite mind and being of God, so my post is opened to correction but not a bashing.

In what way did God reveal himself to you? i really wanna know .seriously . I have met many who claim to have met god only for them to unravel under close scrutiny; i hope you will not be like one of them.
Eagerly waiting for the epiphany .

Oduduwaboy:
In the real Christian context there is only one God . Others are referred to as gods . Though to me the case of the first letter does not really make a difference.
If a believe in superman was as prevalent as that in God, i possibly would also write to hold it up for what it is ------ rubbish .
Anyway , how is the worship of gods in the African traditional religion going with you? Thanks for your observations sha !

When you choose to delude yourself with the christian God, then I dont think you can ever see the reality of life outside christianity.

And stop telling me other Gods are spell with the small case (g). This is wrong and showed that you have know little about what you criticized.

Why wont the believe in superman be prevalent? My sister that believe in him was programmed to believe it like everyone believe in God. There are lot of children that love the superman and wish to walk in line with him. They believe he can save the world but this only happen in the movies. . . .and you have not seen any rational person going round that Superman does not exist. Same goes for God which is a mere label. . . .I dont know how label becomes a thing we got furious to when tragedy happens.

Lets take this good example, The Jains view God as the Universe itself, would you tell the Jains you dont believe in God when you know the word God is just a label describing the entire universe? To the naturalistic pantheist, God is natural elements in the universe and the universe itself. Would face the adherent of this view that God do not exist? Will it even sound reasonable to mention such a statement?

Coming down on good and evil attached to the God which you have addressed in your OP. It is nothing new as we have found such a situation in the bible where the faithful one asked GOD why he was left unattended to in time of crisis. One thing nature has shown us is that life is not always smooth. . . .there is no where life teaches ever Joy or sorrow. So lets take this God called mother nature which is a label or personification of nature or earth, would you like you post here question God called Mother nature when tragedy or evil occur? If you do and find out that the Mother Nature is Nature or Earth itself, would you conclude you make any sense? We live in earth and it is view as God, why cant you let the label God be so that you can direct your querry to Planet Earth?


I am not worshipping African Gods. I am taking my time to understand what Orisha is. . . . . I am on about knowledge and not faith or believe.

Oduduwaboy:
In what way did God reveal himself to you? i really wanna know .seriously . I have met many who claim to have met god only for them to unravel under close scrutiny; i hope you will not be like one of them.
Eagerly waiting for the epiphany .

I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

Emusan:

I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

bless you brother. This is wonderful.

GOD REMAINS GOD, IN SPITE OF WHATEVER HAPPENS. HIS WAYS ARE DIFFERENT FROM OUR WAYS AND HIS THOUGHTS FROM OUR THOUGHTS. HE ALONE KNOWS THE GOOD REASON(S) FOR WHICH HE ALLOWS THE THINGS WE COUNT AS UNPLEASANT TO HAPPEN.

WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION OR FAULT HIS JUDGEMENT OTHER THAN SUBMITTING TO HIS DIVINE WILL. SO IN EVERYTHING GIVE THANKS TO HIM, WHETHER IT BE GOOD OR BAD!

Emusan:

I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

If a traditionalist gives such testimony about God would you embrace it as the work of an infinite being..?

This is why atheist mock "GOD"...you all are always eager to explain the work of infinity through supernatural submission. You totally ignore realities. No one is safe from lifes curve ball.

People give testimonies about God telling them that they and their families are safe from accident or random mishap. But when such befalls them they make excuses. God knows best, he gives he takes, you cannot question God, his ways are not our ways.. Etc.. Opening doors for more mockery...

When abrahmist stop speaking for an infinite or feeling special, then an atheist will have nothing to question.

Good and evil must coexist, life happens..!

GooseBaba:
If a traditionalist gives such testimony about God would you embrace it as the work of an infinite being..?

A traditionalist doesn't need to give such testimony about h/her gods because I know they exist.
At least a traditional still believes that supernatural being do exist unlike you that believe in Energy.

This is why atheist mock "GOD"...

Just continue with it....since the time you've been doing, does it erase doubt from your mind?

you all are always eager to explain the work of infinity through supernatural submission.

He who doesn't have supernatural experience won't know that supernatural do exist....Younguz a NLder.

You totally ignore realities. No one is safe from lifes curve ball.

The promise of God for me, my families & friends in above testimony solves your problem.
Mind you it doesn't mean that I won't die again but just to prove His True Existence & Only God.

People give testimonies about God telling them that they and their families are safe from accident or random mishap. But when such befalls them they make excuses. God knows best, he gives he takes, you cannot question God, his ways are not our ways.. Etc.. Opening doors for more mockery...

Ask those people, is it the true God that gave them the promise? because the true God is a covenant keeping God.

When abrahmist stop speaking for an infinite or feeling special, then an atheist will have nothing to question.

If you like continue to question from now till tomorrow it doesn't make God NOT to be God again, you won't be the first or the last.

Good and evil must coexist, life happens..!

As you made to believe.

Emusan:

A traditionalist doesn't need to give such testimony about h/her gods because I know they exist.
At least a traditional still believes that supernatural being do exist unlike you that believe in Energy.



Just continue with it....since the time you've been doing, does it erase doubt from your mind?



He who doesn't have supernatural experience won't know that supernatural do exist....Younguz a NLder.



The promise of God for me, my families & friends in above testimony solves your problem.
Mind you it doesn't mean that I won't die again but just to prove His True Existence & Only God.




Ask those people, is it the true God that gave them the promise? because the true God is a covenant keeping God.



If you like continue to question from now till tomorrow it doesn't make God NOT to be God again, you won't be the first or the last.



As you made to believe.

Why do you have to showcase your mumurity...in reality energy is everywhere. Within this conversation where did I tell you that I "believe" energy is God...?

Like I said stop speaking for an infinite, you end up making excuses. Now you ask me to ask those people if they had a covenant with the true God..? I'm guessing by your convictions you will conclude that they did not speak to the one true God..the height of delusion. Thinking you're special in nature because you read a book and believed it's the word of an infinite...

Good and evil/bad coexist... It's not a believe. It's a fact! Abi you live in a different planet..? Heaven and hell is a believe, yahweh and lucifer is a believe..your delusion is unbecoming... No wonder atheist dey take una clean ground..

Oduduwaboy:
It used to be that i never questioned the existence of God. Then the doubt started to creep in through observations of daily world wide events, mostly the tragic occurencies like the missile destruction of the Malaysia flight MH 17 over Ukrainian airspace close to the border with Russia.

Evidence is mounting to support the view that it was a mistake by the Pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country . They confused the passenger jet for a military Ukrainian Jet ! The details are still unfolding .

Now, why could God not prevent this gory occurence from happening ? There were 'sinless ' babies on-board . What is the Use of an 'Omniscient & Omnipotent ' God who can not prevent terrible but avoidable accidents like this from happening ? He/She must be a totally unethical , immoral and infact an amoral god if he truly exist s.

My point is to open the eyes of millions once again to the futility of believe in a god who cares for us. Humanity holds the key to its continued existence on this earth.
Randomness and probability to a large extent ,direct the course of our lives.

u are didnt get it! Whatever a man sow he reaps. Finite things has an intric nature of SELF DESTRUCTION. It must end one day.
When ever u entertain th thought of finitude, u hav automatically reduced urself,"to be spiritually minded is life bt carnally minded is death or destruction."
concerning the babies, go and study reincarnatiön.

GooseBaba:
Why do you have to showcase your mumurity...in reality energy is everywhere. Within this conversation where did I tell you that I "believe" energy is God...?

Energy is everywhere....but was it created?
Do you believe the universe was created by an infinite Being? if Yes! who is this being?
If No! how did universe come to existence?

Like I said stop speaking for an infinite, you end up making excuses. Now you ask me to ask those people if they had a covenant with the true God..? I'm guessing by your convictions you will conclude that they did not speak to the one true God..the height of delusion. Thinking you're special in nature because you read a book and believed it's the word of an infinite...

Yes you need to ask them because a lot of claims are made on behalf of God which in reality it's not from Him.

If reading Bible alone made me believe in God I would've lost believe in God so long BUT THE TESTIMONY I GAVE ABOVE HAS PLANTED MY FEET ON THE SOLID ROCK OF ANCIENT OF DAYS.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.

Good and evil/bad coexist... It's not a believe. It's a fact! Abi you live in a different planet..? Heaven and hell is a believe, yahweh and lucifer is a believe..your delusion is unbecoming... No wonder atheist dey take una clean ground..

Yes I live in planet Pluto conversing with you right now from planet Utoh a planet from the fifth galaxy to our own galaxy.

I repeat you made to believe the above statements....
so continue to live by it.

Whatever an Atheist like they should do, it doesn't make black white nor white black.

FOLYKAZE:

When you choose to delude yourself with the christian God, then I dont think you can ever see the reality of life outside christianity.

And stop telling me other Gods are spell with the small case (g). This is wrong and showed that you have know little about what you criticized.

Why wont the believe in superman be prevalent? My sister that believe in him was programmed to believe it like everyone believe in God. There are lot of children that love the superman and wish to walk in line with him. They believe he can save the world but this only happen in the movies. . . .and you have not seen any rational person going round that Superman does not exist. Same goes for God which is a mere label. . . .I dont know how label becomes a thing we got furious to when tragedy happens.

Lets take this good example, The Jains view God as the Universe itself, would you tell the Jains you dont believe in God when you know the word God is just a label describing the entire universe? To the naturalistic pantheist, God is natural elements in the universe and the universe itself. Would face the adherent of this view that God do not exist? Will it even sound reasonable to mention such a statement?

Coming down on good and evil attached to the God which you have addressed in your OP. It is nothing new as we have found such a situation in the bible where the faithful one asked GOD why he was left unattended to in time of crisis. One thing nature has shown us is that life is not always smooth. . . .there is no where life teaches ever Joy or sorrow. So lets take this God called mother nature which is a label or personification of nature or earth, would you like you post here question God called Mother nature when tragedy or evil occur? If you do and find out that the Mother Nature is Nature or Earth itself, would you conclude you make any sense? We live in earth and it is view as God, why cant you let the label God be so that you can direct your querry to Planet Earth?


I am not worshipping African Gods. I am taking my time to understand what Orisha is. . . . . I am on about knowledge and not faith or believe.

Hmm....in a way we do agree. It was only our different definitions of god that were different! I must confess when talking about the non-existence of god , i'd always assumed it should be undetstood in the light of the conscious, christian god. About the orishas? well let me leave that for now.

Emusan:

I've shared it many times on this forum to Atheist like you but they say many thing about it.

Before I go on I will like to let you know that if someone tells you a story about h/himself especially what s/he has passed through, you the listener has only two options
1) It's either you accept it whole heartedly or
2) you reject it.

It happened in 2005 & 2008 while I was praying suddenly I began to feel a powerful force moving towards me with fully knowledge of me that SOMEONE IS coming (my door was looked and it's at the middle of the night) so He moved close to me BUT I WAS so afraid so I got up because I was on my knee. so I began to ask myself someone enter this room.....


The visitation of 2008 was the one that expounded that of 2005, it started like that of 2005 after He moved close to me He covered me as if I was inside of Him.

In the two visitations as He was coming and Hid force is moving towards me I started speaking in tongue.
I was born into C & S church which in my time I never believe in tongue even sometimes making jest of them because I'm more or less like an Atheist just going to church for goodness sake which within me I mocked them even sometimes I can say I mock God.

Then God backups His visitation with a promise He told me that none of my family, my friends & I will ever involve in an accident. ( I later realise the reason of this promise because I usually afraid of traveling right from my childhood) apart from this they're many things God has done that time & space won't permit me to dive into.

This is all about me, my life & Christian race you can call it a delusion but I know WHAT I EXPERIENCED.

Like I said I'm not a pastor nor owning a Church which I'm not even pray to be (because it's not an easy task) BUT I have a testimony of God which has been my song to those I come across.

Reasoning and logic can't find God but our love with a humble heart towards him can do.

Okay. I dont wanna say anything for now. Just that it all sounds too subjective for any third party to take seriously; you know, just as no xtian takes the koran seriously and this is also reciprocated by the muslim and yet both sides claim divine origin. Thanks though.

matify:
I hope I wasn't hasty in commending one of your submissions yesterday as the handiwork of a highly cerebral being judging from the innuendo this post is perceived to whip-up .

In whatever situation we find ourselves, God is still supreme and our ways are definitely not HIS .

Then of what use is the so-called god to humankind?
Why do you waste sooo much of your productive life on a god who, come what may, will only do his immutable will,.. a will which you confess not to unerstand?

I mean, ever since he created the universe 14 billion yrs ago, what exactly has been his job ever since?

Emusan:

Energy is everywhere....but was it created?
Do you believe the universe was created by an infinite Being? if Yes! who is this being?
If No! how did universe come to existence?



Yes you need to ask them because a lot of claims are made on behalf of God which in reality it's not from Him.

If reading Bible alone made me believe in God I would've lost believe in God so long BUT THE TESTIMONY I GAVE ABOVE HAS PLANTED MY FEET ON THE SOLID ROCK OF ANCIENT OF DAYS.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.



Yes I live in planet Pluto conversing with you right now from planet Utoh a planet from the fifth galaxy to our own galaxy.

I repeat you made to believe the above statements....
so continue to live by it.

Whatever an Atheist like they should do, it doesn't make black white nor white black.

What the hell is an infinite being?
Please define one for us.

Did you arrive a the existence of an infinite being by inference , or by observation?

Isn't an infinite being just another one of magical things you pull right out of you bottom to explain away your ignorance?

Emusan:

Energy is everywhere....but was it created?
Do you believe the universe was created by an infinite Being? if Yes! who is this being?
If No! how did universe come to existence?



Yes you need to ask them because a lot of claims are made on behalf of God which in reality it's not from Him.

If reading Bible alone made me believe in God I would've lost believe in God so long BUT THE TESTIMONY I GAVE ABOVE HAS PLANTED MY FEET ON THE SOLID ROCK OF ANCIENT OF DAYS.
TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.



Yes I live in planet Pluto conversing with you right now from planet Utoh a planet from the fifth galaxy to our own galaxy.

I repeat you made to believe the above statements....
so continue to live by it.

Whatever an Atheist like they should do, it doesn't make black white nor white black.

The truth is that the question of the origin of existence leaves all the sides begging for answers. When was the beginning of time? If there was nothing in the very beginning , then what is the nature of 'nothing'? If there is God...where did he come from?
If you think the above questions are simple or should not be asked then it shows why its so easy for you to accept one of a thousand religions on earth as being the right one! You are simply not thinking enough.

Oduduwaboy:
Hmm....in a way we do agree. It was only our different definitions of god that were different! I must confess when talking about the non-existence of god , i'd always assumed it should be undetstood in the light of the conscious, christian god. About the orishas? well let me leave that for now.

Is atheism about disbelieve in Christian God?

I am off

Oduduwaboy:
Okay. I dont wanna say anything for now.

I've already said it earlier.

Just that it all sounds too subjective for any third party to take seriously;

Intact third part is still far, second part self might not take it serious unless if s/he had the same experience.

you know, just as no xtian takes the koran seriously

Yes no Christian who has had personal encounter with Jesus(God) will believe in Qur'an.

and this is also reciprocated by the muslim and yet both sides claim divine origin.

Not even only in Islam it also happened within the Christendom.

I challenge you to give me a testimony of any Muslim who claimed to had encounter with Allah even Muhammad never did.

Thanks though.

You're welcome.

Actually I'm not argue with you but just to share my spiritual experience with you. It's a thing you can discard or look into to take another route about knowing whether God exists or not.

plaetton:

What the hell is an infinite being?
Please define one for us.

Did you arrive a the existence of an infinite being by inference , or by observation?

Isn't an infinite being just another one of magical things you pull right out of you bottom to explain away your ignorance?

Sorry Mr. Plaeton I don't need to dive into this with you again.

Oduduwaboy:

The truth is that the question of the origin of existence leaves all the sides begging for answers. When was the beginning of time? If there was nothing in the very beginning , then what is the nature of 'nothing'? If there is God...where did he come from?
If you think the above questions are simple or should not be asked then it shows why its so easy for you to accept one of a thousand religions on earth as being the right one! You are simply not thinking enough.

Actually when it comes to a question like this I've stopped discussing it with Atheist over one year now NOT that I don't have answer to them but the TRUTH is you have your own answer to each of them already.

Emusan:


Actually when it comes to a question like this I've stopped discussing it with Atheist over one year now NOT that I don't have answer to them but the TRUTH is you have your own answer to each of them already.

What makes your "truth" valid and others void.? Your Convictions I presume...

The philosophies about God as per knowledge from my ancestors. Is that the believe in God is man's desire to be at peace with the spiritual power on one hand and with his fellow man on the other. Therefore, if Ukraine and Russia were at peace this incident would not have occurred.

However, since the likes of you believe that you have a personal relationship with your deity which qualifies you to speak on his behalf. Your god will constantly be mocked by atheist. Since you all keep making stuff up as you go..hence the numerous denominations..

FOLYKAZE: I still cant find how God comes in here. Are you counting for a tragedy to surface so that you can mock 'God'?

The Abrahamic God should know better than let tragedy befall his children for no reason.

Afterall he is all loving, holy and pure...I wonder what's happening to this God because the universe doesn't portray should a creator like jehovah or Allah

macof:

The Abrahamic God should know better than let tragedy befall his children for no reason.

Afterall he is all loving, holy and pure...I wonder what's happening to this God because the universe doesn't portray should a creator like jehovah or Allah

Guy how far?

Oduduwaboy:
It used to be that i never questioned the existence of God. Then the doubt started to creep in through observations of daily world wide events, mostly the tragic occurencies like the missile destruction of the Malaysia flight MH 17 over Ukrainian airspace close to the border with Russia.

Evidence is mounting to support the view that it was a mistake by the Pro-Russian separatists in the eastern part of the country . They confused the passenger jet for a military Ukrainian Jet ! The details are still unfolding .

Now, why could God not prevent this gory occurence from happening ? There were 'sinless ' babies on-board . What is the Use of an 'Omniscient & Omnipotent ' God who can not prevent terrible but avoidable accidents like this from happening ? He/She must be a totally unethical , immoral and infact an amoral god if he truly exist s.

My point is to open the eyes of millions once again to the futility of believe in a god who cares for us. Humanity holds the key to its continued existence on this earth.
Randomness and probability to a large extent ,direct the course of our lives.

.
Saying Humans are the key to their continued existence is truly wrong in every way. During all the time God have not interfered with the workings of man, what has man done, "Dominate one another to their own injury".

Who were in the plane-humans, who shot it down- humans, why did they shoot it down- human conflict/ politics. No matter the form of Government man has practised- Conflict and War has always been there. Extinction of key plant and animal species necessary for our continous existence is threaten by the actions of man, not to mention Global warming cause by man. "Man is ruining the earth".

You don't know the workings or will of God. Those sinless babies you mentioned are they more important than the still born/unborn and aborted kids? Even if they live, how long will they live, they will still die in this system of things but after the Resurrection- people will live for more than a thousand years, even forever in a world where there won't be evil. If given a choice, I prefer to die now as long as I am guaranteed a resurrection in the near future. The dead feel no pain, only the living mourn!

RikoduoSennin: .
Saying Humans are the key to their continued existence is truly wrong in every way. During all the time God have not interfered with the workings of man, what has man done, "Dominate one another to their own injury".

Who were in the plane-humans, who shot it down- humans, why did they shoot it down- human conflict/ politics. No matter the form of Government man has practised- Conflict and War has always been there. Extinction of key plant and animal species necessary for our continous existence is threaten by the actions of man, not to mention Global warming cause by man. "Man is ruining the earth".

You don't know the workings or will of God. Those sinless babies you mentioned are they more important than the still born/unborn and aborted kids? Even if they live, how long will they live, they will still die in this system of things but after the Resurrection- people will live for more than a thousand years, even forever in a world where there won't be evil. If given a choice, I prefer to die now as long as I am guaranteed a resurrection in the near future. The dead feel no pain, only the living mourn!

Lmao!!! There they go again... Making shiiit up.. "people living for more than a thousand years" and the only way to verify or observe this nonsense is to die... Smh... How do you say this things and not be considered a lunatic.. I'm just saying..

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Lmao!!! There they go again... Making shiiit up.. "people living for more than a thousand years" and the only way to verify or observe this nonsense is to die... Smh... How do you say this things and not be considered a lunatic.. I'm just saying..

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I am making things up? Not really, you are the one doing so. Not everyone will die to experience the New world where man will live more than 1000 years. ( Rev 7:14, Prov 2:21).

Man have been able to live much longer than now. Methuselah lived 969 years etc, Having faith base on this evidence is not far fetched mostly as man will be made perfect one again.

It is a fact that life expectancy in the past was very high and has been on the decline over man's existence. How often do you see or hear obituary of people aged 100+ unlike in the past.

If you believe in Science, then you know that the human body as a whole was designed to last forever but for some reason, it doesn't last. Eg the under used Human brain and unexplain reason why cells which normally replicate themselves stop doing so resulting in ageing, sickness and death.

Why do our body cells stop replicating and repairing it cells? Reasonable answer please!

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RikoduoSennin: .

Man have been able to live much longer than now. Methuselah lived 969 years etc, Having faith base on this evidence is not far fetched mostly as man will be made perfect one again.

Doctor WHO also lived to be 900+ years in the script, just like Methuselah did in the book. SMH. Are you saying that when our knowledge about human health and the origin of diseases was at its lowest point, it was then that humans lived the longest? A brain is a terrible thing to waste.

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Doctor WHO also lived to be 900+ years in the script, just like Methuselah did in the book. SMH. Are you saying that when our knowledge about human health and the origin of diseases was at its lowest point, it was then that humans lived the longest? A brain is a terrible thing to waste.

. The SCRIPT is not the same a THE Bible mind you! Plus, I also gave you real life instances proving that human life expectancy is on the decline. Major diseases we face today are new to the history of mankind. I agree with you, a brain that can do so much that the most advanced computer is practically underused due to man's short lifespan.

RikoduoSennin: . Plus, I also gave you real life instances proving that human life expectancy is on the decline.

You did not, because it isn't true.

^^your opinion. That doesn't change the fact. Google is there. Do the research!