chulla12: The 4 year colleges and graduate programs in the CUNY system are very much underrated.

Some schools are better in some areas, I guess it boil down to facilities and instructors on ground. Therefore the use of words like 'top rank' or ivy league can be a bit ambiguous. However, when a school keeps churning out students that always hit the ground running it's hard for industry to not take cognizance of such development irrespective of top rank or lack thereof - this is why some schools get tons of companies in their job fairs. For all I know the school you referred to might have some fields that are rated higher than MIT or Stanford corresponding fields but it is the aggregate of all the fields, citations, etc that determine the overall rank of the school. At any rate, school is school.

what do you guys think of California maritime academy

MOBJECTIVE: Say you went to a university in the russell group, then did a masters in an ivy league school. Anyone know how much different this is, from say, doing both undergraduate and masters in an ivy league school?

I may be wrong but your most recently attended school matters the most. Having a masters in the ivy league alone puts you in equal standing with your masters colleague with an ivy league bachelors.

HBCUs need to do better though.

Howard University is the most comprehensive HBCU and it isn't even in the top 100 schools. I heard it used to be until their standards tanked.

MOBJECTIVE: Say you went to a university in the russell group, then did a masters in an ivy league school. Anyone know how much different this is, from say, doing both undergraduate and masters in an ivy league school?

It's not clear cut sometimes. I say so because it can depend on what you studied as much as where you studied it. Take for instance, Harvard is ranked higher than UIUC in overall, but UIUC is considered a top engineering school. In fact ECE dept in UIUC is one of the best in the world. Now if u do EE or CompE in Harvard, whether as first degree or masters, hmm... the industry knows ECE is somewhat more competitive in UIUC than in Harvard, so you it's your world against theirs. However, if you go for law or something similar in Harvard, you know - stuff that takes you to Wallstreet or Washington then you're made. Anyways, my take is - know where to study what - that's the key.

tensazangetsu: what do you guys think of California maritime academy

Never heard of it. But don't let name fool you - whatever is it you intend to study should inform your choice of school.

SamIkenna:

Never heard of it. But don't let name fool you - whatever is it you intend to study should inform your choice of school.

actually it's a maritime college i wanna do my class 3 there after my undergraduate degree at regional maritime university ghana

School name would help link up with jobs, network bla bla.
If you are intelligent, 99.99999% of the job is done. It doesn't really matter if your school is not the most popular.
Since it's a Nigerian paper that carried this and I know how crazy we are about big names, let me tell you now, nobody cares any more. If you are a science student, you better get involved in research, shadow your professors and do internships. That is what they care about these days.

tensazangetsu: actually it's a maritime college i wanna do my class 3 there after my undergraduate degree at regional maritime university ghana

Sounds like you're well informed on the subject. Since you're already familiar with maritime school in Ghana then be assured the one in Cali will be a big step up. Also you're likely to feel at home in California because it's whether is somewhat similar to Africa's and the demography is likely to your advantage. And almost all higher institutions in California is good so I doubt the maritime school you intend to attend is any different. So good luck.

SirShymex:

The OP himself is an educated illiterate.

Have you been opportune to read his posts? This guy posts incoherent epistles, with no head or tail, without making any sense whatsoever - apart from religious bigotry, and sentimental tripe.

Most of these Universities are living off old glory, popularity, and citations. A lot of the not-so-highly ranked ones, are actually far better in researches than the top ones. In the UK for example - I'd wager that Warwick might actually be better than the "best" three, but it never gets the nod.

Anyway, only clowns who attended glorified prep schools you won't find on any rankings are obsessed with University rankings.

You are very right.
It is one of the best schools in the area of Pure and Applied Mathematics.
But never heard

SamIkenna:

It's not clear cut sometimes. I say so because it can depend on what you studied as much as where you studied it. Take for instance, Harvard is ranked higher than UIUC in overall, but UIUC is considered a top engineering school. In fact ECE dept in UIUC is one of the best in the world. Now if u do EE or CompE in Harvard, whether as first degree or masters, hmm... the industry knows ECE is somewhat more competitive in UIUC than in Harvard, so you it's your world against theirs. However, if you go for law or something similar in Harvard, you know - stuff that takes you to Wallstreet or Washington then you're made. Anyways, my take is - know where to study what - that's the key.

Good advice, i'll remeber this.

chulla12:

I may be wrong but your most recently attended school matters the most. Having a masters in the ivy league alone puts you in equal standing with your masters colleague with an ivy league bachelors.

This is what i think too, and what eveyone seems to think, but someone with a bachelors from an ivy league school undoubtedly has more connections. However, I doubt this is reason enough for a bachelors degree in an ivy league school. Anyways, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Missy89:

Will pick Caltech before i even think of MIT.

I actually like Caltech as well, but Stanford is a pure Uni - I'd put it on the same level as Imperial College.

Also, most of these old Unis are just what they're based on old glory - nothing more. While I was in Uni(2nd best Uni in West Midlands behind Warwick), I was opportune to visit Staffordshire Uni(one of my friends graduated from there), the lowest ranked Uni in the same axis and you'd be shocked the Uni had better IT facilities and department than mine. Heck, it's IT department has a partnership with Cisco, and if you do a MSc. course there in Network Security, you're also privy to take CCNP and become a Cisco Certified Professional with your MSc degree. With that, you'd get a straight jump into the professional world...with nice pay package, yet it's one of the lowest ranked Unis in the country.

Honestly, the name tosh is more class-based than anything else. Go to Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge Unis) Faculty of Science and Engineering, and I bet you won't find up to 10 black students(that's if they have any). And best believe majority of them will be international students. It's difficult as a home student, from a public school to get into those Unis. You've to attend certain private schools, to get a sniff - yet they're the best, without selecting the best students.

Apart from the strong Alumni, and the help you get with jobs - all these rankings are crap. Yet this guy believes you have to attend certain elitist Unis, to be an authority - and not what you've got up there when it comes to problem solving, and your ability to apply analytical skills into researches - hysterical. His thought-process is so medieval!

SirShymex:

I actually like Caltech as well, but Stanford is a pure Uni - I'd put it on the same level as Imperial College.

Also, most of these old Unis are just what they're based on old glory - nothing more. While I was in Uni(2nd best Uni in West Midlands behind Warwick), I was opportune to visit Staffordshire Uni(one of my friends graduated from there), the lowest ranked Uni in the same axis and you'd be shocked the Uni had better IT facilities and department than mine. Heck, it's IT department has a partnership with Cisco, and if you do a MSc. course there in Network Security, you're also privy to take CCNP and become a Cisco Certified Professional with your MSc degree. With that, you'd get a straight jump into the professional world...with nice pay package, yet it's one of the lowest ranked Unis in the country.

Honestly, the name tosh is more class-based than anything else. Go to Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge Unis) Faculty of Science and Engineering, and I bet you won't find up to 10 black students(that's if they have any). And best believe majority of them will be international students. It's difficult as a home student, from a public school to get into those Unis. You've to attend certain private schools, to get a sniff - yet they're the best, without selecting the best students.

Apart from the strong Alumni, and the help you get with jobs - all these rankings are crap. Yet this guy believes you have to attend certain elitist Unis, to be an authority - and not what you've got up there when it comes to problem solving, and your ability to apply analytical skills into researches - hysterical. His thought-process is so medieval!

Arise and shine ,you sure do know how it works .But that weed was too harsh on your last paragraph but keep talking.

If there's something this itchy-itchy dude from God-knows where in England knows better than anyone in NL is how to jump in, throw the first salvo, and derail a thread. Yea, I admit that perhaps using 'authority' in wording the thread heading was not the smartest thing. But at any rate, this thread is purely geared towards opening our eyes to the impossibility of what Nigerian leadership is asking of Nigerian engineers. I'm wondering how Nigerian engineers are expected to 'up their game' and out-compete their foreign counterparts (as stated by GEJ) when Nigerian schools are not anywhere near the list of 500 top schools, hence the reason for this thread.

But its all good though, at least we have a 'computer graphics' dude who, even though bitter from Cambridge rejection, is available to take up for ill-equipped Nigerian engineers.

Touche?

You opened the thread for self-appraisal by highlighting whatever non-top40 Unis you attended in bold, with the ridiculous "authority" tripe - yet you're mad someone cut you to size, and put you where you belong.

Go to bed!

@OP,
Why didn't you use the US News Ranking for this. The others are sketchy.

On another note, did you go to UT Austin?

My school made the list, besides it's not like I never knew I went to about the top ten engineering school in the world, so if that hurts you then my bad. However, my school making the list does not change the real message you decapitated like you do to all things in NL that does not massage your over bloated ego.


Let me repeat again what I said about the school I attended - it's ranked among the ten(+-) best engineering schools in the world. Call it bragging, I call it determination, and intelligence too. In fact if you're one bit appreciative I might be willing to give you free online lectures here on NL to help you up your graphics certificate.

SirShymex: Junk list.

We all know UK Unis always dominate the list of the top-10 Unis in the world, and have been doing so since the beginning of time.

The source alone just shows how credible the list is - Nigerian source.

Anyway, what has name of institution got to do with the abilities of an individual in problem solving? - primitive mentality.

Very primitive one.

A graduate engineer of Federal University of Technology, Owerri would claim he's far better than a counterpart at state university, solely because he attended a federal institution.

I think we are in an age where individual's mental abilities matter more than one's educational institution.

Take the back seat and I'll lecture your obtuse mind about critical thinking and analytical skills. If you had any wit worth appraisal, you would have displayed it on here, since you registered. However, apart from religious bigotry, sentimental tripe, and bloated ego induced by attending two non-top40 Universities in America - what do you have to offer? And how have you utilised this to build/create/solve anything since you graduated?

Those who actually graduated from better Universities don't need to spam the names of their alma mater everywhere, unless they're asked to do so. However, they let their intellectual capability speak for itself.

You wouldn't even lecture yourself in whatever quack Engineering course you studied, yet you want to lecture me - hysterical. Go to bed, mate!

Largas:
Very primitive one.

A graduate engineer of Federal University of Technology, Owerri would claim he's far better than a counterpart at state university, solely because he attended a federal institution.

I think we are in an age where individual's mental abilities matter more than one's educational institution.

Preach to that guy!

SamIkenna: My school made the list, besides it's not like I never knew I went to about the top ten engineering school in the world, so if that hurts you then my bad. However, my school making the list does not change the real message you decapitated like you do to all things in NL that does not massage your over bloated ego.


Let me repeat again what I said about the school I attended - it's ranked among the ten(+-) best engineering schools in the world. Call it bragging, I call it determination, and intelligence too. In fact if you're one bit appreciative I might be willing to give you free online lectures here on NL to help you up your graphics certificate.

Some people do have over bloated egos.

Do well to ignore them.

Cause they never amount to much.

Just carry on with your nice thread.

Lol! Dude this your 40 uni rank balderdash is beginning to sound cliche. I have little to nothing to gain from that cliche, ok. But if it interests or irritates you that much perhaps you need to google search for the best engineering schools in the world and knock yourself out with the shocking truth that we're not mate both in chosen fields and alma mater.

And for your info, my work in semi conductor fabrication and integrated circuitry dwarfs anything you'll ever dream of. Like I said earlier, it's not bragging and I can prove to you the mastery of my field - you only need to ask anything to wish and I will provide answers you can never find in Google just to show you we're not in the same league field and academic wise.

eaglechild:
Some people do have over bloated egos.

Do well to ignore them.

Cause they never amount to much.

Just carry on with your nice thread.

I think the dude has actually found that Austin and UIUC are not his average backwater London rundown college.

I need to go do something useful with my life anyways, have plenty stuff to do.

1). You admitted that using "authority" wasn't the smartest thing to do. Evidently that shows you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, yet you keep running your mouth everywhere. If you already admitted that you lack the required wit to make a simple heading - what makes you think you can even have a proper discourse with someone above your level?

2). Intellectually - I'll whoop you like a little kid.

3). You're most likely close to your 40's: can you please post one patent credited to your name in your field? If at almost 40, you have no patent - so what's all the fuss about?

Obviously, you and I aren't on the same level, and if we were to use academic achievements based on age and projection/progression as a yardstick - I'm light years ahead of you. Also, you're an international student and you couldn't even get into top Unis, yet you keep spamming everywhere with your non-top40 Unis - like who cares? International students always have it easy, once they're above average academically. Go brag to those in your village, with the same primeval mentality - and take it off public domain.

Anyway, I graduated from a Russell Group University with honours. Ask around - so you and I aren't on the same level.

It's glaring you're a bitter kid. You need therapy from Dr Phils because you sound deprived and angry - I'm hoping you were not abandoned. I wonder how in your little mind any sane mind would divulge his info in a forum people like you troll. I have already given enough of myself so if ever you saw the walls of a post high school institution you would have found something to use in tasting the veracity of Ikenna, the person you ought to serve.

I know you've been bitter since I put a rollback on you and your wolf pack's inordinate obsession with Princess Oduah. Bro you've been bitter since then. I guess I activated your head hunting mode with that thread - its funny how my thread radicalized you. Perhaps it's a wake up call for OPs to be careful with threads they put up - never know what manner of failed men on edge taking it the wrong way.


You can take over the thread, you derailed it anyways. So have a nice day.

Getting emotional now, are we?

I reiterate: intellectually - I'll whoop you like a little kid.

And please post ONE patent credited to your name at age 40!

Kid in old man's body, whose only claim to fame is spamming "not-smartest-thing-to-do" everywhere - I'm above you! Google Russell Group Universities, and check the only one in West Midlands named after the biggest city there(there are two in West Midlands). That right there is above your level.

SirShymex: Getting emotional now, are we?

I reiterate: intellectually - I'll whoop you like a little kid.

And please post ONE patent credited to your name at age 40!

Kid in old man's body, whose only claim to fame is spamming "not-smartest-thing-to-do" everywhere - I'm above you! Google Russell Group Universities, and check the only one in West Midlands named after the biggest city there(there are two in West Midlands). That right there is above your level.

Telling a man you're better than him doesn't make you a greater man.......you're just there.

Truckpusher: Tellig a man you're better than him doesn't make you a greater man.......you're just there.

Nah, he started it.

Go read his posts...he's an empty barrel and I need to put him in his place.

Missy89:


You know one thing i have learned from this so called "top schools" is that they do not do a lot of teaching there. The professors are obsessed about wining a prize or getting a grant and you have to do most of the learning by yourself.

u av a point there but your other posts were off, totally. i av come to realize that in the top schools, your professors are leaders in their fields and are always working on a big project or being consulted or something and the professor - student relationship pays the price but then the fact that a student is working on a top notch project, even if its some minor sundry stuff for his professor can be very inspiring.

What a mess the thread has come to.

In the long run, it's all a mixed bag of Pro's and Con's for each choice.

And per Caltech vs MIT, you can't say Caltech is the better university, they may both outdo each other in certain areas but in the end, the elite factor plays in - MIT.