Objective reasoning, is thinking out of the box. Man inherited her sinful nature from birth; the spirit is willing but the flesh is very weak. If God loves his creatures so much as stated in the holy bible, why would he arrange a place describbed as 'hell fire' for everlasting burning and torment for his children? Is man really the cause of his fall at the garden of Eden? And i ask, 'How true is hell fire'??

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You should be seeking to find the reason why Yahweh who knows the end from the very beginning ,programed existence to and for his own glory.

As thou has stated in a question format,let me make it plain...man is not to be blamed for his fall in that mysterious garden where man's mysterious God planted a mysterious tree of knowledge good and evil.

All this are a mystery...but as touching the hellfire thing,it is as good as SANTACLAUSE.

TheIndustrialist: You should be seeking to find the reason why Yahweh who knows the end from the very beginning ,programed existence to and for his own glory.

As thou has stated in a question format,let me make it plain...man is not to be blamed for his fall in that mysterious garden where man's mysterious God planted a mysterious tree of knowledge good and evil.

All this are a mystery...but as touching the hellfire thing,it is as good as SANTACLAUSE.

Heheheheh, u speak in riddles bro. How do u mean 'the hellfire thing is as good as the santaclause'??

wealthinfos:

Heheheheh, u speak in riddles bro. How do u mean 'the hellfire thing is as good as the santaclause'??

What happens to a corpse(a dead person) if you leave it on the surface of the earth for about six months?

qstar:

What happens to a corpse(a dead person) if you leave it on the surface of the earth for about six months?

what are u talking about?

wealthinfos:

what are u talking about?

There lies the answer to your OP.

qstar:

There lies the answer to your OP.

Does not make sense. Add some clarity

wealthinfos: Objective reasoning, is thinking out of the box. Man inherited her sinful nature from birth; the spirit is willing but the flesh is very weak.

Inherited sins (weakness) is very different from "willful" sins, sins for which we will give an accounting.


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If God loves his creatures so much as stated in the holy bible, why would he arrange a place describbed as 'hell fire' for everlasting burning and torment for his children?

Exactly, it is because of that love he has for us that's why there is no place called "Hell fire".

Jeremiah 7:31- "....to burn their sons and daughter in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came into my heart

What is the payment of sin? Rom 5:12, Rom 6:23 - Death not eternal torment. John 3:16- uses Perish/destroyed for unbelievers not eternal torment. Gen 3:1-6, Adam and Eve the first sinners were told they would return to the dust where they came (die) not eternal torment.

What happens when payment of Sin has been made? Rom 6:7- "for he that is died has been acquitted/ freed from his sin". What sin again will such a person be punished for again after he has made payment with his death?

Sin as a liar for less than 60years of ones life then punished with eternal torment is not justice.

wealthinfos:
Is man really the cause of his fall at the garden of Eden?

Eve(woman) was thoroughly deceived, while Adam(man) willingly rebelled against God because he loved Eve so much, more than God even. (Gen 3:1-6, 1 Timothy 2:14)

wealthinfos:
And i ask, 'How true is hell fire'??

The word "Hell fire" does not exist in the bible, what is however is the word "Hell" (where David is and Jesus went- Acts 2:25-31), and "lake of fire" (second death- Revelation 20:14). These two are different places.

Job, david and many righteous people went to hell(common grave of mankind).

Hell fire teaching is not christian, it is a borrowed teaching. Buddhist believes in it also as well as some other religion.

Hell fire teaches that the human soul is eternal, while the bible says "the soul that sinneth shall die". Soul dies. Eternal life is a gift of God- Rom 6:23.

Hell fire teaching is opposed to bible believes of Resurrection. John 11:24 "I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day", John 5:28,29- Dead people still resting in their graves till the resurrection. When lazarus died his soul did not leave his body to a different place, it would have been cruel for Jesus to bring him back if lazarus was in a better place rather Jesus wouldn't have wept for him (John 11:35).

wealthinfos:

Does not make sense. Add some clarity

A simple question as that... When you leave a corpse on the ground without preservatives, what happens subsequently to it(the corpse)?

qstar:

A simple question as that... When you leave a corpse on the ground without preservatives, what happens subsequently to it(the corpse)?

how do u wono corelate this to the question raised in the subject matter?

wealthinfos:

how do u wono corelate this to the question raised in the subject matter?

It relates to what happens after-death.... decay and recycling into the ecosystem.

The body is subsequently fed on by maggots, if buried. If cremated, it turns to ashes.

wealthinfos:

Does not make sense. Add some clarity

it makes alot of sense of you think about it as he said...dont think outside the box rather get out of the box completely

qstar:

It relates to what happens after-death.... decay and recycling into the ecosystem.

The body is subsequently fed on by maggots, if buried. If cremated, it turns to ashes.

exactly..if one can think critically, it will be seen that what we eat on a daily basis is a combination of alot of things including dead animals,decayed corpses of Humans. every living Human body surviving on food and water is composed of uncountable numbers of dead human beings that have undergone recycling into the ecosystem

If you mean lake of fire, it is really true, a place where all the ungodly will be destroyed eternally. If however you mean the imaginary hell fire like the Greek mythology where Lord hades punishes sinners, then this is unbiblical.

When you die, you remain dead and unconscious until the resurrection, either to eternal life or to eternal death in the lake of fire.

But as Christians, christ has promises us resurrection to eternal/everlasting life. The ungodly will perish in the lake of fire.

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qstar:

It relates to what happens after-death.... decay and recycling into the ecosystem.

The body is subsequently fed on by maggots, if buried. If cremated, it turns to ashes.

aiite ur point is getting clearer. Ok i understand u dnt believe in the hell fire teaching, but what then happens to the human soul after the body is dead and decayed? Where does the human soul go to?

haibe: If you mean lake of fire, it is really true, a place where all the ungodly will be destroyed eternally. If however you mean the imaginary hell fire like the Greek mythology where Lord hades punishes sinners, then this is unbiblical.

When you die, you remain dead and unconscious until the resurrection, either to eternal life or to eternal death in the lake of fire.

But as Christians, christ has promises us resurrection to eternal/everlasting life. The ungodly will perish in the lake of fire.

So beautifully stated.

Thank you very much.

haibe: If you mean lake of fire, it is really true, a place where all the ungodly will be destroyed eternally. If however you mean the imaginary hell fire like the Greek mythology where Lord hades punishes sinners, then this is unbiblical.

When you die, you remain dead and unconscious until the resurrection, either to eternal life or to eternal death in the lake of fire.

But as Christians, christ has promised us resurrection to eternal/everlasting life. The ungodly will perish in the lake of fire.

so what then happens to the soul/spirit when the body is dead?

wealthinfos:

so what then happens to the soul/spirit when the body is dead?

i guess we have definition problem here, what's your definition of soul and spirit according to the bible

Hell fire is a total fiction

wealthinfos:

so what then happens to the soul/spirit when the body is dead?

Mind reading ...
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And also read this;
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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I hope those will help.

Hellfire is like the lines of longitude...they are imaginary but yet help in air travelling among others ,so is hellfire simply checking people from sinning but yet imaginary.

TheIndustrialist:

Mind reading ...
Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

And also read this;
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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I hope those will help.

Hellfire is like the lines of longitude...they are imaginary but yet help in air travelling among others ,so is hellfire simply checking people from sinning but yet imaginary.

ok this is getting intresting..Hehehe

Where was Adam after he sinned against God and died? Recall genesis 2:7, from Dust u are and from Dust u'll return. We're descendants of Adam if adam could return to dust after his death why not his descendant? Psalm 146:3 and Ecclesiates 9:5&10 make it known that d opposite of life is Death, at death we knew nothing. God is love, the thought of burning people in Hell Fire forever never come to his mind Jeremiah 7:30&31. Anyone who died has been acquitted from his sin Roman 6:23. The teaching of hellfire is one of the wrong teaching to depict or paint God as Wicked and unforgivable