When we look back at the destatrous events of 911, that took place in New York City. Washington DC and a remote piece of land in Penslyvania, we can not but marvel at the stupidity of the atheist and the agnostics, who condition to deny that Allah (The Creator God who is capable to do all things, and the Controller of things), does not exist.

Their only argument, always is that everything is always in order and for this reason, since there has not been anything that defies "known and accepted established order," then God has no place in this order. Well the event of 911 defies everything that was known as "order," in every aspect of the word.

(1). 19 Arab men orchestrated themselves, to end up in what may lead them into Hell fire after a night of drinking, partying, dancing, smoking, womanizing, yet were able to mamage to get up very early in the morning to board airplanes to commit murder and well as suicide.

(2). Hundreds of americans were so afraid of getting cut or injured by the box cutter knives that these arabs carried, that they ended up dying instead.

(3). The planes were up in the air for at least more than 30 minutes, and none of the airplanes personnels even said anything that remotely resembled a disress call to the authority. The air controllers never noticed anything. It was all business as usual.

(4). The exact scenerio of th event that was taking place was being conducted as a wargame in the military theater, at the same time as the event.

(5). The Aiplanes that hit the twin towers managed to manouver to their target being pilotted by less than expert "pilots."

(6). The building that was hit second was the first to collapse.

(7). The experts felt that aviation fuel burnt up quickly, but the official report tells us that it lingered and sustained the inferno, that finally "brought the buildings down."

(. In an an event where you expected a pancake collapse of the building floors on one over the other, what happened was an explosion, instead of implosion.

(9). The were no major remnant of much of the papers, office furnitures, etc but a passport of at least an arab hijacker was found without any sign that it has been in a distress situation, as even a smell of smoke from a fire incident.

(10). If we go to the building #7 of the complex, it came down later in the evening, just as the the leassor, Silverstein and the authority felt that it was not save that it remains standing. No demolition equiptments were used. It came down on a cue after the decison was reached.



(11). The Plane that crashed in Penslyvania, had no remnant that could actually indicate that a plane actually crashed.

(12). But the people were too scared to get cut, get we heard one mobilizing many or all to action, by his "lets roll" yet they were unable to over come these few arabs, and save their lives, eve in their many more times larger numbers. If anyone knows the white americans, when they are in a mob mentality mode, the event that occured in Penn. can't not even happen like that even in FICTION!



(13). The incident on Pentagon has no Video of any Aircraft approaching the buiding by outside cameras, from such a low height as was the supposed point of impact.

(14). The most fortified buiding in the World, a place where the biggest and the baddest wars are planned and executed had a "war" coming to it, and injuring it, without anyone knowing about it, before hand.


(15). When the president was told, about the "happening in his nation," the leader of the "free world," gave a long spaced out stare, as if everything was lost in translation. He however remused to read to his audience, the kindergarteen children, the book titled; My Pet goat.

(16). Observations: About the coming down of world trade center buildings, if a building is to be demolished later, it may not be necessary to employ a demolition team, whereby the normal demolition tecnics are used. That tecnic must be old and unneeded, because of what we saw on 911, that ordinary fire that was quickly consumed but yet after that brought down a building that was steel framed. At least if the demolition experts are employed on intended future pulling down of building, the cost must be relatively "low" if one consider that fire could bring it down, or just deciding to pull it down and it comes down, within a few hours, as it did #7!


Now the atheist must know that any and all of these actions defy what is normally understood, even in science and technology. The only One that can bring out this one time event is ALLAH the God ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

Huxley and his crew,where are you. Where is KAG, Nferyn?

Their only argument, always is that everything is always in order

nonsense. . . . . .what and who is allah?

I knew this dude would start doing crystal meth soon, so God was responsible for their death abi? OLOKOSHODUDU!

He's surely gone mental.

Perhaps very cheap crack.

Improbable.
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@Chrisbenogor and co: with your bewilderment and inability to contribute anything tangible.

« #4 on: Today at 07:40:51 PM »
I knew this dude would start doing crystal meth soon, so God was responsible for their death abi? OLOKOSHODUDU!

Where did I go wrong? Pre 911, we see things in the normal ways. After 911, the destructions of WTC gave us a different ways or theories that are abnormal from from what we used to know. Is there any pre 911 building collapse that mirrors the way the buildings fell that day; against the pancake theory of fall of floor collapsing on to of the floor below it?

And whats Olokoshodudu? Am a Yoruba man, but this is the first if its a Yoruba word!

Say something intelligent guys. Or we have a group of yellow belly, God disbelieving crowd, pretending to be pundits.

How about the parting of the SEA by the stick "Staff or dead wood" in the hand of Moses, and of course Pharah and his army arrogantly walked into the trap and perished in it?

It is obvious that in some ways Olabowale is being facetious.  However, I believe the point he is trying to make is that one cannot be an atheist and also believe in the official 911 story.

Atheism is supposedly built on facts and sceintific evidence and not the so superstiion of the Theist nor on miracles.  however, in order to believe in the official 911 story one will have to dismiss an entire comprehension of scientific beleif which was entirely defied on 911.  Even beliefs about our security - which prior to 911 the govt led us to beleive were true, were also defied.  So, what gives.

The only explanation for 911, f you do not beleive the people who suggest that the government was involved in carrying out 911, is to believe that God set it all up.  No one, and I mean, no one, is able to carry out what happened on 911 without either (1) help from someone inside the US govt or (2) help from God directly Himself.  Think about 911 a different way.  During the cold war, when we had much less superior spying and defense technology, if a general said to the US president that we could do a 911 style sneak attack on the Russians and get away with it, he would lose his job as a crazy nut.  Yet, on 911, Osama, with just a cell phoine and a few Arab - who are notorious for never being on time and getting this right, managed to do the impossible and improbabale completely and utterly undetected.

If you beleive this is possible, then I dont see why its so hard to believe God exists because that was either government involvement or the works of a supernatural power.

Please find a scientifically sound explanation for WTC 7 falling or even WTC 1 and 2 falling due to a fire that was barely surviving.  If you cant find one and you are an atheist, then you must accept a more reasonable explanation for the fall.  Even if the alternative explanation is, lets say, improbabale, if its more probabale than the official explanation, then it must be accepted as the more probabale explanation until someon can come up with a better one.  So the choices are three:

1. the buildings (WTC I, II and 7)  fell because of fire
2. The building fell because they were purposely blown up and made to fall
3. God caused them to fall by whatever means he chose

Now, we have not even touched the Pentago, which is more fodder for the God theory.

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olabowale:

How about the parting of the SEA by the stick "Staff or dead wood" in the hand of Moses, and of course Pharah and his army arrogantly walked into the trap and perished in it?

allah is surely not above shamelessly plagiarising the bible eh? Stick to allah's tales from arabia. Funny how all of allah's "miracles" are from the bible. Outside it he strangely seems to have lost this "power".

Lakpene is surely an islamic apologist. Only such a one can find some meaningful stuff in olabowale's rants.

Lakpenne:

It is obvious that in some ways Olabowale is being facetious.  However, I believe the point he is trying to make is that one cannot be an atheist and also believe in the official 911 story.

Atheism is supposedly built on facts and sceintific evidence and not the so superstiion of the Theist nor on miracles.  however, in order to believe in the official 911 story one will have to dismiss an entire comprehension of scientific beleif which was entirely defied on 911.  Even beliefs about our security - which prior to 911 the govt led us to beleive were true, were also defied.  So, what gives.

The only explanation for 911, f you do not beleive the people who suggest that the government was involved in carrying out 911, is to believe that God set it all up.  No one, and I mean, no one, is able to carry out what happened on 911 without either (1) help from someone inside the US govt or (2) help from God directly Himself.  Think about 911 a different way.  During the cold war, when we had much less superior spying and defense technology, if a general said to the US president that we could do a 911 style sneak attack on the Russians and get away with it, he would lose his job as a crazy nut.  Yet, on 911, Osama, with just a cell phoine and a few Arab - who are notorious for never being on time and getting this right, managed to do the impossible and improbabale completely and utterly undetected.

If you beleive this is possible, then I don't see why its so hard to believe God exists because that was either government involvement or the works of a supernatural power.

Please find a scientifically sound explanation for WTC 7 falling or even WTC 1 and 2 falling due to a fire that was barely surviving.  If you can't find one and you are an atheist, then you must accept a more reasonable explanation for the fall.  Even if the alternative explanation is, lets say, improbabale, if its more probabale than the official explanation, then it must be accepted as the more probabale explanation until someon can come up with a better one.  So the choices are three:

1. the buildings (WTC I, II and 7)  fell because of fire
2. The building fell because they were purposely blown up and made to fall
3. God caused them to fall by whatever means he chose

Now, we have not even touched the Pentago, which is more fodder for the God theory.

Did you have a puff of crystal meth too? I hear just one puff can keep you high for 24 hours, since when did any atheist say that he understands everything about how this world works? who understands everything about how this world works? the quoted above just shows you are another naive and superstitious person.
What will certainly make an expert loose his job is if he says God did it, that is the height of stupidity.

What do you know about your brother Osama bin laden? oya go and read about him, you stupidly said also no one that was from the american goverment worked with them, see you are wrong again go and read well then come back, oh and also throw in the first season of prison break, some things are a bit stretched but maybe it will give you an idea of how structural engineering works, Till then [b]STOP USING CRYSTAL METH [/b]its dangerous.

@Davidylan: « #11 on: Today at 02:39:35 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 10:43:24 PM
How about the parting of the SEA by the stick "Staff or dead wood" in the hand of Moses, and of course Pharah and his army arrogantly walked into the trap and perished in it?


allah is surely not above shamelessly plagiarising the bible eh? Stick to allah's tales from arabia. Funny how all of allah's "miracles" are from the bible. Outside it he strangely seems to have lost this "power".

Egypt is in Africa. Duuh. Where is the Ethnic Coptic, the same as ethnic Children of "Israel" tribes? I know i pricked somebody's open sore. Oh, its that of Davidylan's. I think the Ethnic Jewish tribes-men will disagree with your "Bible" naming of ther Torah. Where is that Story in the Christian's Bible, the New Testament, except in the Often discarded, added for decoration and pretention of "Big Religious Book" Old laws by Old prophet part, known as OT?

Remember the New Law and New Covenant have rendered the Old Prophets and their laws (Old Testament) USELESS and not worth the quality of the paper it is written on? Proof is: you Christians don't follow any part of the OT. If you do, then there is a quagmire between the rulings in OT versus the rulings in NT!

Lakpene is surely an islamic apologist. Only such a one can find some meaningful stuff in olabowale's rants.

Since your heart is "BLIND," David, it is not surprising that you will not see anything in my piece which you call "rant," here. Or in my pieces in other places. All this time I have been asking you to explain Mark 12 Verse 29 to us. You have been docking your head. Please stop begging my question. Mark 12 verse 29 is so plain that I wonder why you can't provide a direct honest to reality simple exeges that is domain to that very sentence. Look David there is no reason for "interpretation!" Only in the ploy for deceit that people talk about interpretation.

How do you interprete english word in english? I only ask for explanation and not INTERPRETATION!

@Chrisbenogor: « #12 on: Today at 06:18:04 AM »

Did you have a puff of crystal meth too? I hear just one puff can keep you high for 24 hours,

This dude, Chris must definitely be a user of illegal substances. Otherwise he should not have been thinking that everyone who presents an opinion which he may not agree with is a user of anything illegal. How is it that your position is the correct one? I think Chris still lives in Kalakuta republic of Fela. I have news for you after you finish your Igbo; Fela has been dead for many years. Its time that you show and clean your yourself. Stop frying your brain. Go back to your people. Your family is looking for you. A village in Nigeria is looking for their MISSING IDIOT!

since when did any atheist say that he understands everything about how this world works? who understands everything about how this world works?

The more reason that you should know that your knowledge is so limited and there is an Entity Known as the Creator. That Creator is God in Oyinbo Language. He is Olorun in Yoruba. He is Allah in Arabia. He can bring about a condition that is so unique that can not be repeated ever or in a life time or in a generation. Inshort, a strange condition, defying all known normal conditions on a particular matter.

the quoted above just shows you are another naive and superstitious person.
What will certainly make an expert loose his job is if he says God did it, that is the height of stupidity.

You still didn't get it, Chris. Wait a minute; stop smoking Kukuye! Whats naive and superstitious about proposing an idea that is a good conversation piece? Was anything that happened on 911 not unique and refines all known normal cnditions on the material events; the people, he planes, the buildings and nations? America, for this very day changed her laws. Departments and agencies were created or remaned!

An expert does not mean he/she knows everything. Except the has more knowledge than the average Joe. Yesteryears experts are in todays standards maybe even less that todays average Joes. Tomorrow's experts will be definitely more knowledgeable that todays so called experts. Everything is relative. Duuuh.

What do you know about your brother Osama bin laden?

When you tell us what you know about your brother Adolf Hitler. You are talking like a sleeping man, now.

oya go and read about him, you stupidly said also no one that was from the american goverment worked with them, see you are wrong again go and read well then come back, oh and also throw in the first season of prison break, some things are a bit stretched but maybe it will give you an idea of how structural engineering works, Till then STOP USING CRYSTAL METH its dangerous.

A man who is asleep is not a good listerner. Read what lakpenne wrote, again. No where he mentioned Osama but as a cell in hand with few arabs with him to commit this "evil" deeds, if you believe the "official story." The consequence of your over usage of "Ewebe" is telling on you, man. Unless you are already in the middle age of your life, your condition is unusually critical

It is a well known facts that the arabs are usually late, and always difficult people to get things done correctly the very first time. There is a well known saying among them: The arabs agree to disagree! Now this is the ethnic group of people among the Semites that we are talking about. They are the opposite of their cousins, the nations of the children of israel, aka, the Jews, who are always prompt, focused and dtermined, with a relentless drive for a single purpose, their survival. Now resume your "brain frying activities."

I am a muslim, so I don't these things.

Daviddyland and Chrisbenogor:

It is obvious that both I and Olabolwale are correct in our analysis and all we hear from you two and others is jibber-jabebr jibberish. Again, it is obvious that Olabowale was being facetious but his point is well taken : "one cannot be an theist and also beleive in the official 911 story." To believe in it is to disregard scientific fact - something atheists are proud off.

Both I and olabowale have offered a bit of concern about the scientific anamolies of 911 and all we get back is the religous rant of atheists who have no response but "blah blah blah." I am still waiting for a well thought out an educated response.

@Lakpenne
The reason I have not tried to engage in any educated response is because you guys are grasping at thin air, nobody knows it all, there are things that have not been understood by science and that is not because they are impossible to understand but because we do not fully have the knowledge to tackle them. But your assertion is a wild as it can get .You say the way the buildings fell defy scientific knowledge, I asked you what you know about structural engineering, did you take an infrared picture of the building just after the impact of the airplane, do you know what beams were most affected?

Do you fully understand the structure of the two towers, the engineering connections that kept them standing? the ones that failed or the ones that remained that could have held the building together? You and Olabowole know ZILCH about structural engineering so why would an educated answer even make sense to you?

Give me educated questions and you will get educated answers, stop puffing olabowole's second hand smoke from crystal meth it is dangerous.

Chis, :
interesting you say:
Do you fully understand the structure of the two towers, the engineering connections that kept them standing? the ones that failed or the ones that remained that could have held the building together? You and Olabowole know ZILCH about structural engineering so why would an educated answer even make sense to you?

Well, none of the government engineers who have offered a theory were there to see what happened but they offered a theory as to the cuase of the collapse which is contrary to the knowledge that they had the day before the collapse. The new theories are not so new but old but are used as an attempt to explain something that those theories cannot explain. The pancake theory, which is based wholly on computerized samples lookas nothing like what happened on 911. In fact, according to the same pancake theory that has been accepted as the official theory, what should have been left of the building is a pancake of floor on top of floor. 911 looks nothing like that. And as for WTC 7, they have given us three differen theories and are waiting for anohter one.

Atheist always resort to the "we dont know everything about science yet and we are still discovering things" But, when theists usee the same argument, atheists respond that we must act according to the knowledge we have now and not some possible knowledge to be discovered in the futute. See how disingenuous atheists are?

All that nonesense about did you see the inside, etc is just that - nonesense. We have manay many first hand witnesses who said they heard loud explosion in the basement and that part of the equation is just dismissed. The planes hit hundred of floors up and there are explosions in the basement and then explosions all around the building sounding like "firecrackers." This has all been pretty mich dismissed and not factored into the equation. The janitor for WTC 1 and 2 gave testimony about what he witnessed that day and none of that made the official report. In fact, WTC 7 collapse never even made the report. This is a criminal case and if this was any other criminal case, we would not accept the blunders in investigation, the evidence left out, the

Please dont be disingenuous and use the same criteria for 911 that you use for other things. The government has given us nothing.

What year did we really know what happened to the titanic?

Chrsis: who cares about the titaninc which happened somewhere out far and far away where no one could see it happen which was not based on defying laws of science. The titanic sank and based on our knowledge of science of that, if a ship sinks that means it had a whole in it, what was the cause of the hole, that would stand to be determined.

On 911, a two buildings fell and every single scientist agreed it did not fall because of the towers simply being hit by the plane. So what caused it? That stands to be determined within a reasonable set of possibilities. Go back to the titanic for a second. LEts say the titanic snak in three minutes, logic would say the titanic had a huge whole in it and that could either be caused by a bomb that blue open a massive hole or something else that caused such a massive whole. If someone said it was a slow leak, it would be laughable. On 911 the buildings fell in nearly free fall speed. Based on laws of physics, gravity, falling objects, blah blah blah, one would have to assume that something other than mere gravity caused those buildings to fall so damn fast, and the pnacake theory would therefore be eliminated form the equation as it is based on one floor falling on the other and being subject to the natural laws of gravity. The fall defied was would be a normal fall based solely on gravity.

now, take building 7 which also fell at free fall speed or thereabouts and was not hit by a plane. There was nary a fire in this building but there are speculations about a portion of the building being taken out by flying debris from WTC 2 (whihc parenthetically shows that the pancake collapse does not fit because huge peices of a building would not be blown nealry a block and a half away to hit WTC 7 unless there were explosives - and the sound of explosions and fire cracker sounds (just like the owns you hear just before a demolition) were said to have been heard by many many people).

Not to mention that several months after 911 a hotel in Madrid burned for over 24 hours with flames spewing from the bonfire and all that was left was the skeleton. Likewise, buildings around the WTC which were set ablaze never fell but left behind a skeleton shell of its former self. Now the WTC 1 and 2 wrere engineering marvel like none other but succumbed to simple fire. Why do we need demolition teams. Jsut set a building on fire and let it self destruct like WTC 1 and 2 and even 7.

See, the problem you and others are having, by being disingenuous, is the same problem you accuse theists off. The theory of evolution, which is accpetd as near gospel and absolute thruth is based on observations, calculations and comparison with other presently observable occurences, which is used to to eliminate other theories - such as the biblical account - of the evolution or coming about of things. The same theory is used in investigating 911 and it leads to a conclsusion vastly different from the official story but the religious atheist and insincere atheist refuse to accept the truth that is larger than the elephant in the room.

First let me apologise for the way I attacked you, olabowole has a way coming across as really paranoid so sorry if that rubbed off on you.
He goes off mouthing that no one received help from inside the government, and you did not see that, since you guys seemed to know a lot about what happened, how did you guys forget ali mohamed?
That's why I think you guys are not being honest, but let me indulge you.
I asked about the titanic because according to the scientific standards it was built then, it would be really almost impossible for it to sink, but it did. Even to this day people still say God did it, but it took many years for the real reasons why it sank to come through and it was not at all mystical in the end.
The most difficult thing in trying to simulate the towers that fell is that you have to really take everything into perspective, leaving as little as a tiny detail behind could seriously mar ones results, what impact did the planes hiting the buildings really have on the others, you have to know all that, reconstructing events can be really difficult especially since everything collapsed and clues were not really left behind.
What year was it really discovered that charged electrons in the cloud caused lightneings? Take your self just a mere 7 years before then and you will see that people believe there is something mystic about it, people even still do till this day, so my dear that it cannot be reconstructed now does not mean there is anything mystic about it.

@Chrisbenogor:

so my dear that it cannot be reconstructed now does not mean there is anything mystic about it.

If this is your best proposition, then allow me to use it against you:
Just because your best "knowledge" as an atheist can not allow you
to know that Allah the Almighty Creator is in Existence, does not mean that
in the future, when better knowledge appears among mankind, the atheists
then can still think that existence of God is mystical, hence unbelievable, but
will find it that it is a "reality." Then the who Atheistical moement will collapse and
dies off!

Interestingly, when the towers werebeing designed, they had in mind the scenario of "Airplane flying into it. And because it was steel framed building, can you proof to us if there is any of the steel frame that wa not "load bearing?"
Looking at the shearing and the signs of stresses on what remained standing as jagged as it were, one will ask why there were no " investigations," on the evidential remains of the piles of rubbles?


I live in New York City, and the signs of fire of that fateful day lingered till January, for sure December. Did any of the steel melted away after that day? America quickly carted the steel to China steel melting company. They investigated th Oklahoma city Buiding, with the bset of investigation.

Incidentally, a hotel in Europe, after 911 burnt for days and after that, did not fall beause of the fire. Before 911 many
a building got burnt, none fell as the twotowers did.

Finally how do you in engineering explain how Building # 7 fell as it was decided to be pull down, and it fell in under 2 hours? So fun mi? And you said a Yoruba word, erlier in your post. What was the meaning?

interesting debate on WTC - 9/11

I always wonder why all the Jews at my old job took vacation from September 7 through September 14, 2001.

Oga ola, until then no wahala, only right now the Idea of God sounds too absurd to believe. Sorry but there is nothing mystic about it I have told you to give me an educated question, show me why the structure would have held its own after the planes crashed into the other buildings, what effect did vibrations have on the other buildings, did anyone measure it. The hotel in madrid was it the same thing as the world trade centre.
So the allah killed John f kennedy and senator kennedy too? You are most def high on something.
As for the yoruba word you seem to know everything, ask allah, till then stop using crystal meth!

really, whats the poiint of this post?
that allah had a hand in the 9/11 attack or that he supported it?
is this some kind of justification for his existence?
if it is then i hope he doesnt try to make more people see him
it'll be bad for the earth.
so olabs, tell him we agree, he exists ok? so we wont have to witness any more carnage as proof of his existence.

Chirs:

Again, Olabowale was being facetious. I think his point, and my poiint, is that the government has given us a theory of WTC 1 and 2 which is unacceptable based on current scientific understanding. The other alternative theory, that there were bombs in the building is consistent with: (1) the speed of the falling object, (2) the nature of how the building spewed portions of itself all around downtown Manhattan, (3) the way the building was virtually pulverized into fine dust, (4) the eye witness statements, including fire fighters and police, that they heard explosions and felt explosions, (5) consitent with the statement of one fire fighter that the flames in one building could have been brought under control and so much more.

I completely appreciate your point that we did not learn of what truly caused the titanic to sink and when we did, the answer seemed so obvious and reasonable. but, if we take the government scientists, they themselves state that the planes hitting the building could not have caused the collapse. PErhaps the building was hit in such a way and dislodged a particular portion of the trusses that would have caused such a "global" collapse that defied all expectations. Fair enough, but there is something terrible wrong with even that assumption

1. This not only happened in WTC 2 but miraculously the same thing hapened again to WTC 1. What are the chances the same exact unexpected or unexaminable cause would happen on the same day at nearly the same time, causing the same exact results. Next to Zero. But on 911 it happened twice. But it gets worse

2. On 911 it happened three times. The third time to a building never hit by a plane but causing the same result, albeit with a different process. WTC 1 and 2 almost literally blew into pieces from top to bottom in the same manner. WTC 7 fell down into its own footprint like a classic demolition.

3. So, if we cannot accept the official story - which is in my opinion completely false and people refuse to accept a logical explanation that bombs were used to bring down the building, then for now, based on the near miraculous nature of three buildings falling on the same day with like results and like speed and for such a thing never to have happened before or after that day, I suggest the God theory.

I am not a proponent of the God theory - although theologically I am the opinion that nothing happens unless God allows it to happen (be it good or bad). But, I offer the God theory to those who reject the "bomb" theory as the only reasonable - no matter how improbable it sounds - theory to 911.

As an aside, some have argued that it would take weeks, if not months to plant bombs in the building to bring it down like that. I say, great, that proves my point. Forget how long it would take, Rather, focus on the fact that to bring a building like that down in that much of a hury - all three of them - would take lots of bombs. Yet, they want us to believe, as the official story goes, that on 911, three of them fell without a single bomb used when on any other given day it would take thousands of bombs to do the same thing.

Open your minds, my fellow immigrants. America is an amazing country and I thank and love the people hear. But as for the government, they only care about getting rich and are jsut as croocked as the Nigerians. The difference, and its a big one, between here and Nigeria are the relative freedoms we still enjoy (albeit much has been taken back) and the fact that despite the corruption, we, the citizens, are allowed to enjoy the finer things in life.

Oh, NEPA dont take lite, gotta go.

This is a more likely reason to doubt Allah's existence. Using death and destruction? Why would he allow these 19 people use his name this way?

olabowale are you trying to say that 19 muslim fundamentalist crashing planes into buildings is evidence to prove that Allah exists 

@lapkene
I told you when you give me educated questions, I will give you educated answers.
I am sure you know how absurd it sounds that bombs were used to bring down the building, to start with I ask you what is a bomb made up of, and what kind of bomb would be the best to bring down the building like that, if you do your research well you will come up with the word, dynamite. Loads of it would be required to bring down the building and there is no way they would have been planted without the knowoledge of people, and for the building to fall the way it did, they would have to be set in a particular sequence or else the buildings would explode and scatter anyhow.
So we can strike out the bomb part.
Next you did not put into consideration the politics that would have played, remember katrina? What answers do you think the government would give if there were no cameras to cover the story, did you think they would accept it so easily if their hands were not caught in the cookie jar.
I think the fundamental mistake you are making is accepting what government scientists have said as the whole truth, if they are lying, does that prove the existence of God?
Why would God even have a hand in such carnage, if your God was responsible, too bad he chooses to reveal himself that way when he can just appear in the sky and say I am God, everyone obey islam or christianity, how hard can that be?

I always wonder why all the Jews at my old job took vacation from September 7 through September 14, 2001.

mossad tipped them off about the attacks

@Chrisbenogor: « #23 on: Yesterday at 04:17:56 PM »  

Oga ola, until then no wahala,  only right now the Idea of God sounds too absurd to believe. Sorry but there is nothing mystic about it I have told you to give me an educated question, show me why the structure would have held its own after the planes crashed into the other buildings, what effect did vibrations have on the other buildings, did anyone measure it. The hotel in madrid was it the same thing as the world trade centre.
So the allah killed John f kennedy and senator kennedy too? You are most def high on something.  
As for the yoruba word you seem to know everything, ask allah, till then stop using crystal meth!  

Show me why the building should not hold its on? Afterall #7 was not hit and the fact that it fell on command should tell you something. If you are an engineer, you will no that a building can not just come down on its own, without giving some signs of "Stress", prior to it just suddenly collapsing. Silverstein, the lessee of the complex killed any reasonable argument that anyone may have for the Building # 7 coming down as a result of what happened to 1 and 2, by his confession of "we decided to pull it down!"

How do you pull it down, without using any "demolition machines; the big wrecking balls, etc", except you have already placd "explosive charges," before hand to cause "implosion," otherwise, we will have to agree that the building is animated enough to "hear your command of coming down and it obeyed you!" Chrisbenogor, since you are an Atheist, I think you seem to believe that the inanimated object, building # 7 heard his owner and obeyed it!

You can speak fooku in yoruba. No wonder I didn't understand it. lol. Oh Boy, Yoruba overseas is not Yoruba o.



@reindeer: « #24 on: Yesterday at 09:30:46 PM »  

really, whats the poiint of this post?
that allah had a hand in the 9/11 attack or that he supported it?
is this some kind of justification for his existence?
if it is then i hope he doesnt try to make more people see him
it'll be bad for the earth.
so olabs, tell him we agree, he exists ok? so we wont have to witness any more carnage as proof of his existence.

Reindeer, you miss the point. You are trying to "interprete as if its Biblical Verse!" You dont need it here. The objective is to give an insight to those who do not believe that God exist, that He does. We are using cases where things exist just one time in an extemely "off the wall conditions!" Where the situation destroys all the expected "Normal" conditions expected to have bearing on the event!

For example, I even referred to Moses (AS) destroying a mighty army of King Pharaoh of Egypt, and that King in the Sea floor bed of the Red Sea. You are a Christian. Did Pharaoh and his military perished or not, by Moses using his Staff to part the sea so that the Children of israel can pass, while the milatary of Egypt and her King died in tha same very sea, after the poor people crossed unscathe? You do not get it: I know its too advanced for your Kiriyo mind! lol. Maa binu o. Dont vex oh boy.

 

@thehomer: « #26 on: Today at 12:30:44 AM »  

This is a more likely reason to doubt Allah's existence. Using death and destruction?  Why would he allow these 19 people use his name this way?

Han han! Doo oooh! You didn't get it just like Homer Simpson will never get it. I need to get Lisa to teach you. lol.
Are you a Christian man, or what are you? I need to give you your own medicine: my response will be in kind!



@manmustwac (m): « #27 on: Today at 12:40:41 AM »  

olabowale are you trying to say that 19 muslim fundamentalist crashing planes into buildings is evidence to prove that Allah exists

I did not say that: Open your mind and eyes and read the Topic! Duuh. lol.    



@Chrisbenogor (m): « #28 on: Today at 10:08:20 AM »  

@lapkene
I told you when you give me educated questions, I will give you educated answers.
I am sure you know how absurd it sounds that bombs were used to bring down the building, to start with I ask you what is a bomb made up of, and what kind of bomb would be the best to bring down the building like that, if you do your research well you will come up with the word, dynamite. Loads of it would be required to bring down the building and there is no way they would have been planted without the knowoledge of people,  and for the building to fall the way it did, they would have to be set in a particular sequence or else the buildings would explode and scatter anyhow.
So we can strike out the bomb part.
Next  you did not put into consideration the politics that would have played, remember katrina? What answers do you think the government would give if there were no cameras to cover the story, did you think they would accept it so easily if their hands were not caught in the cookie jar.
I think the fundamental     mistake you are making is accepting what government scientists have said as the whole truth, if they are lying, does that prove the existence of God?
Why would God even have a hand in such carnage, if your God was responsible, too bad he chooses to reveal himself that way when he can just appear in the sky and say I am God, everyone obey islam or christianity, how hard can that be?  

Bad education breed bad thinking: And they think that they will never die! And have they not looked around that "humans are not forever?" No one will last for ever. And when death approaches and they see the reality, then they will know. But it will be too late.

@olabowole
The problem with people like you is you believe everything is by all this God crap. Well I don't, I am not going to lie and say some spirit ministered to me what happened to the building, but I keep my foot firmly and say show me proof that the vibrations did not affect building 7, show me proof that it was not under any stress whatsoever, show of proof how the fire burned the building that it did not affect the structure, do you have a blueprint of the building, did you take infrared photos of the building after impact. Do you know what effect sound has on the buildings?
I am still looking for educated questions, which by now it seems you cannot give. See lapkene tried to give me one, do you know what a truss is, what sort of trusses would be used in such a building if any was used, and do you think a sky scraper in japan would be built the same way as in lagos. I am tempted to say Olokoshodudu again.