Okay. Tell us the book(s) the bible John was referring to then.
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Obviously he was refering to the book of revelation which he had just finish writing at that time. if you take time to read the passage again, you would observe that that statement was the last verse in book of revelation. so the book had virtually been completed that verse rounded it up. it is also instructive that the book of revelations is a book of predictions / things to come. hence the admonition.

imhotep:

You know nothing about the calling of celibacy

Especially when they can fall and rise once every month right?

imhotep:

St. Augustine that co-approved the bible you are (mis)quoting had a son. Please burn that bible.

They only usurped a power they never had. Of what use is their so-called "approval"?

imhotep:

Stop misquoting St. Alphonsus Liguori.

oya, quote him well for us. Let us know.

cgift:

Especially when they can fall and rise once every month right?


They only usurped a power they never had. Of what use is their so-called "approval"?

oya, quote him well for us. Let us know.

Firstly, Alphonsus was born in 1696. Meaning that celibate catholic priests, monks and nuns had been in existence for at least 1,695 years before he was born.

Secondly, you cannot be quoting from cartoons/comics and expect to be taken seriously.

imhotep:

Firstly, Alphonsus was born in 1696. Meaning that celibate catholic priests, monks and nuns had been in existence for at least 1,695 years before he was born.

Secondly, you cannot be quoting from cartoons/comics and expect to be taken seriously.

Even when the cartoons/comics draws verbatim from your canon and catechism laws. How mischievous you are then.

The so-called comics lifted directly form the Council of Trent with a strong reference to Vatican 2 and you feign ignorance here. Rest in your obvious falsehood then. At least you know the truth that you worship idols and do extremely unbiblical things.

cgift:

Even when the cartoons/comics draws verbatim from your canon and catechism laws. How mischievous you are the
n. The so-called comics lifted directly form the Council of Trent with a strong reference to Vatican 2 and you feign ignorance here.

The cartoons of a deluded man - Jack Chick. Do you want to partake in his delusions?

cgift:

Rest in your obvious falsehood then. At least you know the truth that you worship idols and do extremely unbiblical things.

Your idea of truth comes from cartoons/comics. Amazing. How scholarly you are!!

I am reposting, the profile of your hero =>

@cgift

Your cartoons/comics are taken from www.chick.com.

Let me now give you some background info about the owner of that site - Jack T. Chick


1) He is noted for his savagely anti-catholic stance; so he preaches with hatred/bitterness in his heart.

2) He believes many of the world's problems are deliberately caused by the Catholic Church. He credits the Catholic Church with founding The Great Religion, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and the Jehovah's Witnesses, persecuting Jews and starting the Holocaust, and founding and promoting Communism.

3) His stance on Catholicism led some Christian bookstores to stop stocking his tracts, and he withdrew from the Christian Booksellers Association after the association considered expelling him.

4) Christianity Today described Jack Chick as an example of "the world of ordinary, nonlearned evangelicals," for whom "atavistic anti-Catholicism remains as colorful and unmistakable as ever."


More here => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Chick

I do hope you are not as deluded as this man.

KunleOshob:

Obviously he was refering to the book of revelation which he had just finish writing at that time. if you take time to read the passage again, you would observe that that statement was the last verse in book of revelation. so the book had virtually been completed that verse rounded it up. it is also instructive that the book of revelations is a book of predictions / things to come. hence the admonition.

If you think John warned against additions or subtractions from the prophecy in Rev. 22:18,19 what about the warning in Deuteronomy 4:2

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

These are strong warnings and no genuine believer would tamper with the holy scriptures as revealed in Genesis to Revelation.  Deut.12:32; Prov.30:6

olaadegbu:
These are strong warnings and no genuine believer would tamper with the holy scriptures as revealed in Genesis to Revelation. Deut.12:32; Prov.30:6

If you believe this, then why do you follow Martin Luther (the oga of all protestants) who deleted 7 books from the bible he met on ground??

imhotep:

If you believe this, then why do you follow Martin Luther (the oga of all protestants) who deleted 7 books from the bible he met on ground??

When I wrote that the holy scriptures are "from Genesis to Revelation" I did not mean "from Genesis to Revolution"  What I meant as being the holy scriptures are the inspired Word of God. 2Pet. 1:20-21; 2Tim.3:16-17  

I would like us to go to the appropriate thread to continue this discussion as I would not like to divert from the topic at hand.

OLAADEGBU:

When I wrote that the holy scriptures are "from Genesis to Revelation" I did not mean "from Genesis to Revolution" What I meant as being the holy scriptures are the inspired Word of God.

I would like us to go to the appropriate thread to continue this discussion as I would not like to divert from the topic at hand.

Good. But you did not answer my question.

That you have a family does not mean you can give your best to God

That is your conclusion not ours.

Men and women of Gods who have moved the world with the Gospel of Jesus were and are married

We know that and don't dispute it. We have married men who serve in the church. We have married women who serve in the church. Man get knowledge first.

The catholic priests that can't even move a pin with their low or high mass claim they can only be truly fulfilled while being celibates! Imagine that!

Stop trying to build your own church out of the ignorance of men. There shouldn't be a church other than that of God's.

Even Paul stated that married people are concerned with the world. Point is God is their only concern. Look at it this way, they are married to God.

But the question is irrelevant. He can't remian my Pastor if he does that out of selfish and fleshly desires. I will disown him and leave the church. That is however lame compared to the calling of celibacy friend! Once a priest tastes that thing, he seizes to be celibate and is no different from the man who has a wife at home. Well, like i said earlier, it is legitimised once in a month in the Catholic church for him to taste this thing. So, he wont probable be dismissed or something. Ask ~Lady~. She dey read the book Dignity & Duties of the Priest

Oh but the question is very relevant. Lol, you absolutely know nothing about the Priest's calling.

I have a question. Do you all think that only "virgins" can become priests?

They only usurped a power they never had. Of what use is their so-called "approval"?

Then go and burn your Bible na. It is just their evil logic that was used to compile it anyway, abi no be so?
Go and get your own, sho, na by force?

Even when the cartoons/comics draws verbatim from your canon and catechism laws. How mischievous you are then.

The so-called comics lifted directly form the Council of Trent with a strong reference to Vatican 2 and you feign ignorance here. Rest in your obvious falsehood then. At least you know the truth that you worship idols and do extremely unbiblical things.

WOW!!! _{(not really)}
So your idea of truth comes from comics and cartoons. Oga tell me where 'mickey mouse' (_{not some guy dressed in his suit)} dey live for earth make I go visit am, I am his fan o. lol

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."

How does the Catholic church add again to the Scriptures?

~Lady~

You have silent about by challenge of the legitimization of sin by the Vatican which allows a sin to fall into sin once in a month? Have you not read the book to that level?

Imhotep:

I have always asked and you keep docking: where is it ordered that the wafers (bread) and wine of the communion be worshiped and referred to as your god in the bible.

When you objectively answer these questions and convince us from the bible (yours or ours) then i will rest my case.

You have not countered that you are deeply engrossed in idolatry with your attempt to distract the thread from these pertinent questions.

cgift:

~Lady~

You have silent about by challenge of the legitimization of sin by the Vatican which allows a sin to fall into sin once in a month? Have you not read the book to that level?

Imhotep:

I have always asked and you keep docking: where is it ordered that the wafers (bread) and wine of the communion be worshiped and referred to as your god in the bible.

When you objectively answer these questions and convince us from the bible (yours or ours) then i will rest my case.

You have not countered that you are deeply engrossed in idolatry with your attempt to distract the thread from these pertinent questions.

Have you not attended the Catholic mass yet? Go, and see for yourself. It has been the same for over 2,000 years.

imhotep:

Have you not attended the Catholic mass yet? Go, and see for yourself. It has been the same for over 2,000 years.

2000 years!!! ol boy! When Jesus die? You dey tell me say CC start 8 years after Jesus die abi? e be like say Jesus self na catholic hin be

You dey dock my question o! Is it because i did not tell you I was a catholic ?

cgift:

2000 years!!! ol boy! When Jesus die? You dey tell me say CC start 8 years after Jesus die abi? e be like say Jesus self na catholic hin be

You dey dock my question o! Is it because i did not tell you I was a catholic ?

Try this => go to the Catholic mass, and trample on what you have been calling a wafer. Don't forget to try this.

imhotep:

Try this => go to the Catholic mass, and trample on what you have been calling a wafer. Don't forget to try this.

Ah! Make they start another Inquisition with me? I know say i dey thread on dangerous grounds since. Make una no come start with Ikorodu cos say my address dey show Ikorodu. Me key, trample on wafer during mass?

cgift:


Ah! Make they start another Inquisition with me? I know say i dey thread on dangerous grounds since. Make una no come start with Ikorodu because say my address dey show Ikorodu. Me key, trample on wafer during mass?

What the hec? Just a wafer anyway. Trample on it, go on, try it.

imhotep:

What the hec? Just a wafer anyway. Trample on it, go on, try it.

i know say the crusade spirit still inside una well well. I will reiterate, do not worship the wafer o! It is not to be worshiped okay. That is idolatry and you know it now. God save the RCC or the souls that are genuinley looking for the truth.

I bet if quite a number of catholics get the exposition you guys are getting here, they wont think twice before they elope.! These things are just too heavy to be waved aside.

Have a nice weekend okay.

cgift:

i know say the crusade spirit still inside una well well. I will reiterate, do not worship the wafer o! It is not to be worshiped okay. That is idolatry and you know it now. God save the RCC or the souls that are genuinley looking for the truth.

Why are you afraid to trample on a wafer - if it is JUST a wafer??

cgift:

I bet if quite a number of catholics get the exposition you guys are getting here, they wont think twice before they elope.! These things are just too heavy to be waved aside.

Have a nice weekend okay.

Exposition from cartoons and comic books

imhotep:

Why are you afraid to trample on a wafer - if it is JUST a wafer??

Because the false teachings that has being deposited in your heads will you come asking for my jugular

imhotep:

Exposition from cartoons and comic books

At least the whole world now knows that you are being mischievous. it has been established clearly by my assertions that the Council of Trent says clearly that the wafers and wine must be worshiped especially as the priest creates Jesus on the plate - what weird doctrine of demons. Let this sink into your heart of hearts: Jesus never commanded you to worship the wafers. Anything physical thing being worshiped translates into idolatry.

I think i am done with you people for this season. May be season 3 shall soon come out when we shall pick at another false catholic doctrine. Dem plenty. Good night. Hope Ikorodu is still safe o?

cgift:

Because the false teachings that has being deposited in your heads will you come asking for my jugular

I did not start this thread.

cgift:

At least the whole world now knows that you are being mischievous. it has been established clearly by my assertions that the Council of Trent says clearly that the wafers and wine must be worshiped especially as the priest creates Jesus on the plate - what weird doctrine of demons. Let this sink into your heart of hearts: Jesus never commanded you to worship the wafers. Anything physical thing being worshiped translates into idolatry.

But bread and wine is physical. Is Jesus commanding us to disobey the 2nd commandment?

cgift:

I think i am done with you people for this season. May be season 3 shall soon come out when we shall pick at another false catholic doctrine. Dem plenty. Good night. Hope Ikorodu is still safe o?

It is as safe as you make it.

2000 years!!! ol boy! When Jesus die? You dey tell me say CC start 8 years after Jesus die abi? e be like say Jesus self na catholic hin be

You dey dock my question o! Is it because i did not tell you I was a catholic ?

Yes he founded it. He wasn't called Catholic in the Bible and he wasn't called Christian either, so why are you a Christian?


Ok good, so you were a Catholic, so make I ask you something. When u were still a member, did you worship idols and the wafer and wine?

The issue about Catholic priests being made to be celibate is totally wrong in Christianity.There is no compulsion for celibacy in the Bible,it is even abhored (1Tim 4:3).The priests should know that not everyone has the gift of celibacy,very few people do.What baffles me is that when the priests take their vows of celibacy they don't castrate themselves since we all know that the testes produce testosterone which is responsible for sexual drives.In that way,there will be no cases of 'illegitimate'children or pedophilia

The issue about Catholic priests being made to be celibate is totally wrong in Christianity

No it is not. Was Paul married?

though the priest immediately repented and was re-admitted and since then he'd been straight in his calling.

never heard of such a pardon in the catholic church.

MALAMA:

The issue about Catholic priests being made to be celibate is totally wrong in Christianity.There is no compulsion for celibacy in the Bible,it is even abhored (1Tim 4:3).The priests should know that not everyone has the gift of celibacy,very few people do.What baffles me is that when the priests take their vows of celibacy they don't castrate themselves since we all know that the testes produce testosterone which is responsible for sexual drives.In that way,there will be no cases of 'illegitimate'children or pedophilia

Let us see what Apostle Paul by the inspiration of God  has to say about this subject:

1Timothy 4:1-7

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

6 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

7 But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

MALAMA:


There is no compulsion for celibacy in the Bible,it is even abhored (1Tim 4:3).

is there a compulsion by catholics to be celibate i.e. are people compelled to be priests
i stand to be corrected, but i believe it is a calling and no one is obliged to become a priest and those that can no longer withstand the stress can also resign. so where is the compulsion?
if you want to belong to any group- religious, educational, cultural, etc- they will usually have their requirements and if you can cope then you join. if not you stay out.
what will be problematic is if you cannot resign as you wish, which is the case for some associations.

OLAADEGBU,

I believe it was also Paul who wrote 1 Corinthians 7:

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

as i posted earlier being a catholic priest, to my knowledge is a choice and as with all choices there are consequences. One of the consequencies in this case is that you should be celibate as Paul was. if it is unacceptable with the person then he can choose to be a priest with another church where they allow married priests.

anonimi:

OLAADEGBU,

I believe it was also Paul who wrote 1 Corinthians 7:

7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.
8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.
9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

as i posted earlier being a catholic priest, to my knowledge is a choice and as with all choices there are consequences. One of the consequencies in this case is that you should be celibate as Paul was. if it is unacceptable with the person then he can choose to be a priest with another church where they allow married priests.

Considering the fact that the Apostle Paul was under the most intense persecution among all the apostles it would have been unwise and unconsiderate for him to marry and raise up a family but let us see what his recommendations for Bishops and preachers was:

1 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Titus 1:5-9 (King James Version)

5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Considering the fact that the Apostle Paul was under the most intense persecution among all the apostles it would have been unwise and unconsiderate for him to marry and raise up a family but let us see what his recommendations for Bishops and preachers was:

1 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Titus 1:5-9 (King James Version)

5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

Ok good, so why did he say that it is good for them to abide as he did? He didn't say I am under persecution therefore I shall not marry, but you should marry because you won't be under persecution. Well aren't priests persecuted for their beliefs. Aren't christians persecuted for their beliefs and the spreading of it. Should we then not marry because we're being persecuted.

i thought the type of story in the link below was limited to catholic priests.

http://thepmnews.com/2008/04/28/pastor-held-for-sucking-church-members%e2%80%99-sperm

while the pope can express indignation and sanction erring priests, i am yet to see pentecostal leaders take such bold steps of reprimand even when confronted with such gory details rather they abscond responsibility and say the pastor was on his own.

This is a timely message in these last days.  He who has ears let him hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to us warning us of the impending dangers of deceiving others and being deceived.     

THE DESTINY OF FALSE PROPHETS AND THEIR FOLLOWERS
Matthew 7:19,20

In God’s governmental dealings with people, the severity of punishment shows the gravity of the sin committed by man.  The sin of a false prophet who deceives multitudes into believing a soul-damning lie, who strengthens men in rebellion against God, who turns people away from the way of salvation into the way of eternal perdition, who changes, adulterates and distorts the Word of God, the sacred constitution of God’s Kingdom, who sins against the clear light of God’s revelation, who by flagrantly sinning encourages others to sin against God, who professes to serve God, being supported by the resources of God’s people, yet serves God’s arch-enemy, Satan, who refuses the pleadings of the Holy Spirit to repent and return to the truth, that preacher’s crime is greater than what our tongue can express.  What would you think of doctors who, instead of helping people to live, are injecting them with disease-transmitting viruses.  What would our society, any society, think of lawyers who collect much money from their clients and yet consistently and deliberately make them victims of cruel injustice?  What would our government, any government, think of the teachers who, instead of teaching youths to live properly, deliberately teach them the way of evil and death?  What God knows about false prophets which most of us are ignorant of would make shocking and frightening discoveries when they are eventually disclosed on the judgment day.

God is no unrighteous Judge, neither is He a partial Judge.  If the man who sins and rejects forgiveness and salvation is judged, will the man who sins and makes many others hardened in sin not be judged?  If a thief who steals, all by himself is sentenced and punished, will another thief who does not only steal but trains others to steal be free from punishment?  False prophets will appear before God on the final day to answer for the deeds they have done in the flesh.

1.   THE FRIGHTENING DELUSION OF FOLLOWERS OF FALSE PROPHETS
Matthew 13:15; 23:15; Isaiah 30:8-13; Jeremiah 44:15-23; John 3:19,20; Romans 1:22-28; 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4; 1 Timothy 4:1,2; 2 Timothy 4:3,4; Galatians 4:15-20; 5:7-12.

“Ye shall know them by their fruits.  A corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.  Neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” The word fruit is used in Scripture in various ways. Children are referred to as fruits of their parents (Deuteronomy 28:4,11; 30:9; Psalms 127:3; 132:11).  Converts and followers are also referred to as the fruit of preachers (Romans 1:13; Jeremiah 2:3; Romans 16:5; 1 Corinthians 16:15; James 1:18; Revelation 14:4).  The followers of the false prophets are the fruit of their ministries.  The effect of their message and ministry will be seen in the lives of their followers.  If the generality of their followers are nominal, sinful, carnal, covetous and blind to the truth of salvation and christian living, it is the result of what they receive from the false teachers. The fruit of the false prophets, that is, their followers, gradually become committed, zealous, blinded, reprobate, fanatical and apostate.  The influence of false prophets on their followers can become so strong until they harden their hearts, and permanently close their ears and eyes to the truth.  They often come under such strong delusion that they believe a lie and defend falsehood.  The Pharisees and their followers (their “proselytes”) are an example of such strong delusion.  Their followers became two-fold more children of hell than themselves.  Though Christ did so many miracles to convince them of His divine credentials and authority, they rejected Him and opposed the saving truth He taught.  Those followers of the false prophets did not only reject Jesus Christ and His message, they resisted the Holy Ghost (Acts 7:51).  They made a deliberate choice not to retain God in their knowledge (Romans 1:28) and harden their hearts to the point of loving error and hating the truth. They turn away from sound doctrine and turn unto fables.  In fact they confess openly that they hate the word “doctrine”, which is a precious New Testament word (Matthew 7:28; John 7:16,17; Acts 2:42; Romans 6:17; 1 Corinthians 14:6; 1 Timothy 4:6,13,16; 5:17; 6:1,3; 2 Timothy 4:2-5;  Titus 2:1,7; 2 Timothy 3:16,17; Titus 1:9).  The paths of false prophets and their followers are very slippery; falling is easy but recovery is difficult, almost impossible. “Avoid them” (Romans 16:17,18).

2. THE FINAL DESTINY OF FLATTERED, FALSE  PROPHETS
Matthew 7:19,20; Proverbs 29:5,6; Job 32:21,22;
Ezekiel 13:3-9; Matthew 3:10; Luke 3:7-9; Matthew 23:15,33; 2  Peter 2:1-6,9,17; Jude 4-7; Revelation 19:20; 20:10; 22:18,19.

This is the teaching of the Word of God from the Old Testament to the New Testament. Christ taught clearly on the final doom and future damnation of deceived and deceptive prophets not because He rejoiced to see them damned but because He desired their salvation, warning them so they would see the future awaiting them if that would lead them to repentance. Like His Father in heaven, He had no pleasure in the death, doom or damnation of the wicked or the false prophet. He said, “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30). As God is “not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance” so Christ is not willing that any false prophet should perish but that he should repent.  He offered them salvation and wept for them because they rejected the Truth (John 8:24; 9:40,41; Luke 19:41,42).  Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, taught the truth in love and we cannot teach the truth without love.  No true child of God or true servant of God can teach this truth without love for souls and a bleeding heart.  Yet we cannot hold back the truth because of its painful reality.  While there is the possibility of repentance and redemption, we must proclaim this truth on housetops. Judgment, indignation, wrath and damnation await unrepentant false prophets.  Ministers who lead their members to captivity must go into captivity; those who send others to hell will follow them there.  Corrupt trees and corrupt fruits are united by corruption on earth and they will be united in condemnation throughout eternity. There is no repentance or forgiveness beyond the grave. God offers forgiveness and mercy while we are here on earth.  Balaam refused to return from the way of perdition and he perished (Numbers 22:22,34; 2 Peter 2:15-17; Revelation 2:14).  “In Jerusalem, a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith” (Acts 6:7). “Make the tree good, and his fruit good”   (Matthew 12:33).  Our God  Who “is able of these stones to raise children unto Abraham” can change and transform any minister with his message and members. Be willing and obedient.

3.    THE FUTURE DAMNATION OF FILTHY FRUITLESS PEOPLE
Matthew 7:19,20; John 15:6; Matthew 13:40-42,47-50; Matthew 25:41,46; Mark 9:42-48; James 3:1-6; Hebrews 10:26-31; 12:25-29; Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 14:9-11; 20:11-15; 21:8.

Jesus spoke about the future damnation, judgment and suffering of sinners in hell fire more than any other preacher or prophet in the Bible. And He said, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away” (Matthew 24:35).  He also said, “We speak that we do know, and testify that we  have seen” (John 3:11).  He said, “My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent Me”.  “As My Father hath taught Me, I speak these things” (John 7:16; 8:28).  No one who truly believes in Christ and His divinity will doubt the existence of hell fire.  If you truly abide in Christ and His words abide in you, you know that unrepentant sinners who follow false prophets, instead of following Christ will be lost and damned.

If we are thoughtless, shallow and superficial in our conviction of the truth of the final suffering of sinners and captives of false prophets we shall be lukewarm in the ministry of rescuing the perishing.  Believing these words of Christ as we should will make us zealous in “pulling them (the deceived sinners) out of the fire” (Jude 23).   Knowing the truth as it is in Christ, having the mind of Christ, sharing His agony and compassion for the lost, seeing the reality of the future as Christ sees it, setting our heart and affection only on what Christ counts essential and important, we shall count all things dung and useless in comparison with seeking to save the lost.  Eternity is endless.  Hell is real.  Whatever the cost, warn the followers of false prophets and win them to follow Christ. http://www.dclm.org/Resources/Downloads/CurrentBibleStudies/tabid/89/Default.aspx  http://www.dclm.org/

A word they say, is enough for the wise