It seems that clapping is common to virtually every culture.Why is this so and what is the origin?

Even Alhajarem

Psalms 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.

Psalms 92:3 Upon an instrument of ten strings , and upon the psaltery; upon the harp with a solemn sound.

Psalms 144:9 I will sing a new song unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee.

The ONLY ten 'stringed' instrument are the palms

There doesn't seem to be an established scholarly reason as to the whys and hows of clapping's widespread nature. It seems that virtually all cultures in the world understand the messages conveyed by clapping, and 'til today scholars do not have an academic explanation as to why. What we are sure of though is that the act is ancient. If we had to speculate, I'd say we look at babies. Babies who have yet to learn and understand the culture they are born in have the remarkable capacity to clap instinctually. Babies know how to clap for joy and excitement and in some cases even assent. My speculation would be that it is that instinctual behavior of clapping that developed in ancient times into applause. The instinctual nature of it among humans can then account for its widespread nature.

ChinenyeN: There doesn't seem to be an established scholarly reason as to the whys and hows of clapping's widespread nature. It seems that virtually all cultures in the world understand the messages conveyed by clapping, and 'til today scholars do not have an academic explanation as to why. What we are sure of though is that the act is ancient. If we had to speculate, I'd say we look at babies. Babies who have yet to learn and understand the culture they are born in have the remarkable capacity to clap instinctually. Babies know how to clap for joy and excitement and in some cases even assent. My speculation would be that it is that instinctual behavior of clapping that developed in ancient times into applause.

In other words clapping is a primitive behaviour?

If that's the term you want to use, then sure. I wouldn't use that term though.

ChinenyeN: If that's the term you want to use, then sure. I wouldn't use that term though.

Ok but either the term is accurate or it is not. Did you know that many muslims forbid clapping and consider it Haram

I see two separate subject matters in your post, so I'll reply to each on independently.

iwonbaoko: Ok but either the term is accurate or it is not.

This is an oversimplified way of stating things. The terms we use are essentially the ways in which we conceive of our own understanding of the world and then explain it. There's no science to terminology. It's all convention; generally unpredictable convention. That being said, I see a difference between the terms primitive and instinctual, and in my understanding, clapping can be more associated with behavioral genetics (instinctual) than with a particularly early period in species development (primitive). That doesn't mean we can't qualify it as primitive behavior. The simple point is that depending on the understanding you want to convey, you would pick the term you want to use. I choose to use instinctual, because I don't consider primitive as being all that applicable for this particular discussion.

iwonbaoko: Did you know that many muslims forbid clapping and consider it Haram

I'm not entirely sure what you're intending to get at here, but it seems like a tangent from your own topic. I'm aware of the Shari'ah ruling on clapping (and it isn't that clapping is "forbidden", but rather that that it is left to women for very particular occasions/events and considered as "haraam" for men to do). However, Muslims are very well aware of the culture of clapping and applauding. It is just that due to some aspect of religious history, they are discouraged from doing so. But how exactly is this even supposed to tie to your topic? Sounds as if you want to have a different discussion altogether.

ChinenyeN: I see two separate subject matters in your post, so I'll reply to each on independently.



This is an oversimplified way of stating things. The terms we use are essentially the ways in which we conceive of our own understanding of the world and then explain it. There's no science to terminology. It's all convention; generally unpredictable convention. That being said, I see a difference between the terms primitive and instinctual, and in my understanding, clapping can be more associated with behavioral genetics (instinctual) than with a particularly early period in species development (primitive). That doesn't mean we can't qualify it as primitive behavior. The simple point is that depending on the understanding you want to convey, you would pick the term you want to use. I choose to use instinctual, because I don't consider primitive as being all that applicable for this particular discussion.

Firstly a cursory glance in any dictionary would show that most words have many meanings so one may choose to say seat instead of chair and we can acknowledge that this is merely a matter of style to which we are all entitled. However you are mistaken in your thinking that "primitive" is restricted or more apt in referring to a "period" in species development. This is just wrong. Primitive i a term used very commonly in biology,embrology to refer to organs that are no longer needed e.g the appendix or certain structures in the midbrain associated with more instinctual reactions eg the amydala and its associations with rage and fear which are considered primordial or primitive emotions. It is interesting you use the term "instinctual" in erroneous contradistinction when one could quite easily talk about primitive instincts etc
Thumb sucking is considered to be "primitive" behaviour and my question was whether clapping is of the same order or something else.
I respect your right to a different STYLE but that does not render "PRIMITIVE" inaccurate . Primitive and Instinctual are synonyms of each other

ChinenyeN: I'm not entirely sure what you're intending to get at here, but it seems like a tangent from your own topic. I'm aware of the Shari'ah ruling on clapping (and it isn't that clapping is "forbidden", but rather that that it is left to women for very particular occasions/events and considered as "haraam" for men to do). However, Muslims are very well aware of the culture of clapping and applauding. It is just that due to some aspect of religious history, they are discouraged from doing so. But how exactly is this even supposed to tie to your topic? Sounds as if you want to have a different discussion altogether.

I am not getting at anything, at least not yet. All I have done is to widen the discussion by introducing another perspective and hopefully stimulating further debate I do not know how I can be going at a tangent to my topic which is inquisitorial by definition and not in any way pedagogic or dogmatic. My point is
A clapping is widespread
B why is this the case
C There appear to be some "exceptions" what is that about
etc
Perhaps you should seek to understand a bit more before stirring up a non existent storm

Anyway let us not lose sight of the woods on account of errant trees
Back to clapping

iwonbaoko: Perhaps you should seek to understand a bit more before stirring up a non existent storm

I'm not sure how you can make this statement. My post was clear in that I did not want to assume anything about your intentions. So instead I responded appropriately to the subject matter and then asked questions for clarification, so that I may understand. If you interpreted it as anything other than that, then you're mistaken.

iwonbaoko: Firstly a cursory glance in any dictionary would show that most words have many meanings so one may choose to say seat instead of chair and we can acknowledge that this is merely a matter of style to which we are all entitled. However you are mistaken in your thinking that "primitive" is restricted or more apt in referring to a "period" in species development. This is just wrong. Primitive i a term used very commonly in biology,embrology to refer to organs that are no longer needed e.g the appendix or certain structures in the midbrain associated with more instinctual reactions eg the amydala and its associations with rage and fear which are considered primordial or primitive emotions. It is interesting you use the term "instinctual" in erroneous contradistinction when one could quite easily talk about primitive instincts etc
Thumb sucking is considered to be "primitive" behaviour and my question was whether clapping is of the same order or something else.
I respect your right to a different STYLE but that does not render "PRIMITIVE" inaccurate . Primitive and Instinctual are synonyms of each other

We're not even into page 2 of this thread, and already the topic is breaking down on account of misunderstandings in terminology. If you truly read my post for comprehension, you would see that I have nothing against the use of the term primitive, and that I don't in any way consider it inaccurate.

ChinenyeN:

I'm not sure how you can make this statement. My post was clear in that I did not want to assume anything about your intentions. So instead I responded appropriately to the subject matter and then asked questions for clarification, so that I may understand. If you interpreted it as anything other than that, then you're mistaken.

I very much want to believe I am mistaken and so now I am reassured that that is the case I am pacified

Although the handshake is almost universal like clapping I suspect they have different origins and purposes but they have both got cultural variants and also etiquette.
Do Africans clap the same way as Europeans
Do Chinese clap like Indians
Do Hausas Clap like Yorubas
Who claps best?
Do rich people clap like poor people?

Wait

Wooooooow

Even in UN Assembly They clap hands! it's learnt by instinct and originated from creation! Adam Clapped when he saw Eve! Exclaimed Wow man!"

It all started when eve gave birth to Cain. A fly, perched on adam's hand. Attempting to kill it, he made a clap. Wow! He discovered it was awesome. That was how it started.

But if you ain't convinced with my explanation, then channel the question to the gods







I've forgotten how it god spread. But you can also ask IFA

AdeniyiA:
The ONLY ten 'stringed' instrument are the palms

you too dey lie eeeh.... aarh!

May be we should listen to the evolution story more...

The apes do it too, why?

Lemme think, brb

Clap for yourself Chinenyen and iwonbaoko

lets ask cele people... they get diploma 4 clapping,even some of them don't need nails in scratching recharge card once the swipe it with their hands e don clean

;Bcuz is part of musical instrumnt if u tink am lyin go and ask niger delta people

Really?? Well, i think this is a funny question and research

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Funjosh: Clap for yourself Chinenyen and iwonbaoko

Wetin dem two de drag sef wit plenty grammer? Na all des grammer de carry virus enter nland.

this is my own theory:

Humans have a tendency to express themselves through sounds
The priority area for sound production is the mouth
the next priority area for sound production are the hands (or palms)

if you hit your palm against any other part of your body to produce sound:
1) it might hurt. (for example, slapping your face for sound effect)
2) it might be relatively inflexible. (for example, clapping one palm against the sole of your feet)
3) The sound might not be loud enough. (for example hitting your palm against one finger)

But palm against palm achieves all 3 points

So I think clapping is actually a learned behavior for expressing sounds by primates


Uhmmmmm ^^^ o boy, i get sense sha
make i clap for myself

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Hmm

The custom of applauding may be as old and as widespread as humanity, and the variety of its forms is limited only by the capacity for devising means of making a noise (e.g., stomping of feet or rapping of fists or hands on a table). Within each culture, however, it is usually subject to conventions.

The ancient Romans had a set ritual of applause for public performances, expressing degrees of approval: snapping the finger and thumb, clapping with the flat or hollow palm, waving the flap of the toga, for which the emperor Aurelian substituted handkerchiefs (orarium) that he had distributed to the Roman people.[1] In Roman theatre, at the close of the play, the chief actor called out "Valete et plaudite!", and the audience, guided by an unofficial choregus, chanted their applause antiphonally. This was often organized and paid for.[2]

Similarly, a claque (French for "clapping" was an organized body of professional applauders in French theatres and opera houses who were paid by the performer(s) to create the illusion of an increased level of approval by the audience.

In Christianity, customs of the theatre were adopted by the churches. Eusebius [3] says that Paul of Samosata encouraged the congregation to applaud his preaching by waving linen cloths (οθοναις), and in the 4th and 5th centuries applause of the rhetoric of popular preachers had become an established custom. Applause in church eventually fell out of fashion, however, and partly by the influence of the quasi-religious atmosphere of the performances of Richard Wagner's operas at the Bayreuth Festspielhaus, the reverential spirit that inspired this soon extended back to the theatre and the concert hall.



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