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Away with Crucifixes, Crosses, and Christmas
December 6, 2005
As the Muslim presence in the West grows, so do the calls to do away with long-standing insignia that retain their Christian origins. This weblog entry keeps tab on some of the more colorful demands.
 
St. Edward's Crown

A Muslim traffic warden, M'Hammed Azzaoui, resigned from London's Metropolitan Police Authority and threatened a racial discrimination case. He complained that the St. Edward's crown on a police badge — a symbol of the monarchy's authority since the eleventh century and the constitutional symbol of the political independence of the police — contains a tiny cross and, as a Muslim, he could not wear the symbol of another faith. In response, Deputy Commissioner Ian Blair proposed an alternative badge for Muslim officers and those of other religions. But Commissioner Sir John Stevens abandoned this plan after it got him an earful of protests. (Aug. 14, 2002) A Muslim provocateur, Adel Smith, a resident of Ofena, Italy, sued his son's public school to remove the crucifix in his classroom because it "bothered him." A district judge handed down a decision agreeing with Smith. "Public schools must be impartial regarding religious phenomena," he said. Italians responded with outrage. President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi called the crucifix "a symbol of the values that are at the base of our identity." (Oct. 30, 2003)

 
St. George's Cross


Chief Inspector of Prisons Anne Owers forbade British prison officers from wearing a St. George's Cross tie-pin, although it is the national flag of England, due to its connection to the Crusades. Chris Doyle, director of the Council for the Advancement of Arab-British Understanding, approved of the step, noting that "A lot of Muslims and Arabs view the Crusades as a bloody episode in our history," Doyle added that it was now time for England to find a new flag and a patron saint who is "not associated with our bloody past and one we can all identify with." (Oct. 4, 2005) Dec. 18, 2005 update: A reader responds: "Chris Doyle's claim is ahistorical gibberish. First, St. George was executed by the Roman Emperor Diocletian in 303 – rather limiting his opportunity to participate in the Crusades some eight hundred years later. Second, he was not English, but lived in Libya. Third, the cross belongs to St. George, not to England, so it is illogical to see it as tainted by the failings of England." To which I add: Doyle wants a patron saint "we can all identify with," but if he objects to a saint who lived centuries before Islam, which one will he accept? July 2, 2006 update: The Church of England will consider replacing St. George with St. Alban, a Christian martyr in Roman Britain at its General Synod, a move the Daily Mail says has met with "a cautious but sympathetic response from senior bishops."

An Islamic group in Australia, the Forum on Australia's Islamic Relations wants to do away with the word Christmas, holding that the term excludes too many people in a multicultural society. Its director, Kuranda Seyit, says it's time for Australia to fall in line with the UK, where councils renamed Christmas as Winterval and refer to it adjectively as festive and winter. (Dec. 4, 2005)


Muslims in Russia are demanding that the cross and other Orthodox Christian symbols be removed from the Russian coat of arms. Damir Mukhetdinov, deputy head of the Spiritual Board of the Nizhny Novgorod region's Muslims, said his people's feelings are insulted because "this violates the secular nature of the state and doesn't contribute to the unity of Russia's peoples." Ali Visam Bardvil, head of the Spiritual Board of Karelia's Muslims, noted that "The cross is not a Muslim symbol. We respect the religious feeling of Christians but do not recognize the crucifixion of Christ. Therefore, in my opinion Orthodox symbols should be removed from the coat of arms to make it acceptable to all religions." Nafigulla Ashirov, chairman of the Spiritual Board of Muslims of Asian Russia, went further. "This is not only a question of the Russian coat of arms. We can say that icons are all but put up on the walls of state offices," plus a host of other problems. (Dec. 6, 2005)

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/546

This entry shall form the crux of my next few blog posts. Time we started speaking against the rising wave of islamofascist fundamentalism sweeping through our planet!

wasted effort

uplawal:

wasted effort

Of course, just threaten everyone with death no?

not only that,do you know that k.i.c.c s(pastor ashimolowo,the fasted growing ethnic minority church in the uk) former church grounds, which was involuntary appropriated by the hackney councill for the olympic grounds,has been turned over to the muslims for a mosque?

but the man's church keeps on growing,with the muslims in east london foaming at the mouth with anger

When a "god" needs to intimidate others, threaten them with death and violence . . . just to swell his camp of devotees then you dont need to be told he's a fraud.

davidylan:

When a "god" needs to intimidate others, threaten them with death and violence . . . just to swell his camp of devotees then you dont need to be told he's a fraud.

Thanks for saying that your own god is a fraud because he did the very same thing you are accusing another god of doing. . .intimidating and threatening other people that do not believe in him with death and violence so that he can swell his camp of devotees. . .Just like the moslem god. . . .

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.2 Chronicles 15:12-13

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22)

When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it. They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything. (Joshua 6:20-21)

(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." (Exodus 32:26-29)

While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9)

"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22)

When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4)


Any god that intimidates people with violence and death just to swell his camp is truly a fraud like the Old testament god. . . . .

@sungod,am not even aware of that,anyway its good like that, ALLAHU AKBAR

what church keeps growing,i know many members that av left there cos his not  real,shio,MAGOMAGO PEOPLE

What i need to know is why muslims practice their religion freely in Chrsitian Countries but will not tolerate the practice of Christianity in Saudi Arabia.

How dare they insist on rights that they do not give others? ? ? ?

Deep Sight:

What i need to know is why muslims practice their religion freely in Chrsitian Countries but will not tolerate the practice of Christianity in Saudi Arabia.

How dare they insist on rights that they do not give others? ? ? ?

What? you dare to question the love and mercy of allah?

Deep Sight:

What i need to know is why muslims practice their religion freely in Chrsitian Countries but will not tolerate the practice of Christianity in Saudi Arabia.

How dare they insist on rights that they do not give others? ? ? ?

davidylan:

What? you dare to question the love and mercy of allah?

  Deepsight, indeed how dare you! I am declaring Jihad on you 

Guys, its really really exasperating. They have a mosque right in the centre of jerusalem, in Rome, all over London and Paris, etc, but you go and search for a church in mecca. . . KABOOM! Alahu Akbar!

Jesoul - why are you checking into heart breakers hotel, is that your chosen career, breaking hearts?

Deep Sight:

Guys, its really really exasperating. They have a mosque right in the centre of jerusalem, in Rome, all over London and Paris, etc, but you go and search for a church in mecca. . . KABOOM! Alahu Akbar!

  Deepsight, did you lose your politically correct handbook? Islam is a religion of peace my brother! - despite all evidence to the contrary 

Jesoul - why are you checking into heart breakers hotel, is that your chosen career, breaking hearts?

lol chosen career? nah . . . its more like a hobby  j/k  but its certainly better than checking into 'heartbreak hotel'.

Deep Sight:

Guys, its really really exasperating. They have a mosque right in the centre of jerusalem, in Rome, all over London and Paris, etc, but you go and search for a church in mecca. . . KABOOM! Alahu Akbar!

But allah is merciful . . . it doesnt matter that the reality is the opposite.  

The benighted chasing the benighted, erh?

Na so we see am huxley but these useless bunch of marauding lunatics called islamists need to be checked. They threaten to drag us all back to the stone age by fire by force.

Yeah,they are preparing,they will soon flush all umbelievers to the soakaway

uplawal:

Yeah,they are preparing,they will soon flush all umbelievers to the soakaway

this has always been the goal of islamists . . . there is no moderates in this religion of satanic murderers, just evil people bidding their time until they have a majority strong enough to kill us. This is one reason i strongly support a nuclear armed Israel.

You know you can never get tired of that,so keep on dear and wait for that day,even your pope sef will shake and the vatican masef will turn to "ILEKEWU"

uplawal:

Yeah,they are preparing,they will soon flush all umbelievers to the soakaway

see nairaland talibani

Whose god has a bigger privates ?

The west as usual tolerating the intolerants. These silly desert dwellers that would not allow xtians to openly worship in their countries now want to change the cultural values of nations that gives them a better life. Its time the west take a stiff stand.

uplawal:

@sungod,am not even aware of that,anyway its good like that, ALLAHU AKBAR

allahu what??they compensated him with a bigger place and enough money,now he is planning to build a massive church worth millions of pounds, we ll keep you posted

uplawal:

what church keeps growing,i know many members that av left there cos his not real,shio,MAGOMAGO PEOPLE

for each member that leaves,ten more replace , go to ghana kicc,go to maryland lagos kicc visit the new site are you still in denial that the pentecostal church revival is sweeping across the world?you either step aside or join the wave or you ll be swept off your feet with the rest of the mujahideens

@godsun, ALLAH AKBAR,or is it strange?

yes it is o,are you speaking in tongues,

uplawal:

@godsun, ALLAH AKBAR,or is it strange?

its the same phrase murderers in kano, suicide bombers in Yemen and violent child molesters in saudi arabia use too.

been sighing for long about you FIFUL.