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The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul. Ultimately, all created things are under God’s control. It is likely that this evil spirit was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience. Saul had directly disobeyed God on two occasions (1 Samuel 13:1–14; 15:1–35). Therefore, God removed His Spirit from Saul and allowed an evil spirit to torment him. Likely, Satan and the demons had always wanted to attack Saul; God was now simply giving them permission to do so.

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farem:
The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul. Ultimately, all created things are under God’s control. It is likely that this evil spirit was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience. Saul had directly disobeyed God on two occasions (1 Samuel 13:1–14; 15:1–35). Therefore, God removed His Spirit from Saul and allowed an evil spirit to torment him. Likely, Satan and the demons had always wanted to attack Saul; God was now simply giving them permission to do so.

GQ

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farem:
The evil spirit was “from” the Lord in that it was allowed by God to harass Saul. Ultimately, all created things are under God’s control. It is likely that this evil spirit was part of God’s judgment upon Saul for his disobedience. Saul had directly disobeyed God on two occasions (1 Samuel 13:1–14; 15:1–35). Therefore, God removed His Spirit from Saul and allowed an evil spirit to torment him. Likely, Satan and the demons had always wanted to attack Saul; God was now simply giving them permission to do so.
GQ

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Not trying to denounce what you said
but you could pause to think again

Do you realise the old testament hardly mentions a satan
In fact, in the old testament apart from the snake, the only time a being that might have been satan is explicitly mentioned is in the story of Job.

In other word, the person that wrote the scripture that you are referring to was not thinking of a distinction called "allowed"

..cheers

esere826:
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Not trying to denounce what you said
but you could pause to think again

Do you realise the old testament hardly mentions a satan
In fact, in the old testament apart from the snake, the only time a being that might have been satan is explicitly mentioned is in the story of Job.

In other word, the person that wrote the scripture that you are referring to was not thinking of a distinction called "allowed"

..cheers

Satan is Lucifer/the devil/the serpent. The Bible talks about this fallen angel in a number of instances in the old testament:

1. Isaiah 14:12-19
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

2. Ezekiel 28:13-19
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

3. Zechariah 3:1-2
1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.
2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

4. 1 Chronicles 21:1
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

5. Psalm 109:6
6 Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

@bolded
By person, I hope you are referring to the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit masterminded the writing of the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

VLadipo

I am still arguing for argument sake only

In this instance, let me assume that you are correct
that a satan/devil was mentioned some 5 times in the old testament

now, to this:

me:
.......In other word, the person that wrote the scripture that you are referring to was not thinking of a distinction called "allowed"

you:
By person, I hope you are referring to the Holy Spirit because the Holy Spirit masterminded the writing of the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

ok,
considering then that the Holy Spirit who is very perfect and smart describes it as 'an evil spirit from the Lord"
who are we to try helping in describing it as "allowed by God"?

esere826:
VLadipo

I am still arguing for argument sake only

In this instance, let me assume that you are correct
that a satan/devil was mentioned some 5 times in the old testament

now, to this:




ok,
considering then that the Holy Spirit who is very perfect and smart describes it as 'an evil spirit from the Lord"
who are we to try helping in describing it as "allowed by God"?

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in addition to all the contributions above, in john 1:5 the bible say light shines in darkeness and darkness could not comprehend it.
this shows where there is NO light, you dont need any other special invitation for darkeness to come take its place. its allowed to rule while light is absence.
The spirit of God left saul, then next spirit meant to take over, is the spirit of Satan.
The bible said evil spirit from God because its only through his permission that such spirit can now rule a man he himself (God) has been ruling. it shows his spirit was done with Saul and the next available spirit is the evil spirit.

OasisofRefuge:
in addition to all the contributions above, in john 1:5 the bible say light shines in darkeness and darkness could not comprehend it.
this shows where there is NO light, you dont need any other special invitation for darkeness to come take its place. its allowed to rule while light is absence.
The spirit of God left saw, then next spirit meant to take over, is the spirit of Satan.
The bible said evil spirit from God because its only through his permission

You are right!
We are on the same page.

The simple explanation here is that God permitted satan to torment Saul just as he allowed him (Satan) to attack job.

CrazyMan:
The simple explanation here is that God permitted satan to torment Saul just as he allowed him (Satan) to attack job.

Good reasoning bro.

We are saying the same thing.

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