UK seems to be in love with Nigeria's bad side suddenly.

Kenezi:

UK seems to be in love with Nigeria's bad side suddenly.

What you you mean?

Hi,


Yeap! 

I heard it on Channel 4 a couple of nights ago.  Unreported World - Child Wives and Pregnancy in Nigeria - Fri 28th of this month at 7.35 pm.  That would be something to watch.

Thanks for reminding us.



kiwi992.

fuk ch4

how about Bleep the people that organize these marriages?

without even clicking on the link, we already know the story will be centered around the sharialands of Nigeria.
they like their wives when they're still playing with dolls.

Kenezi:

UK seems to be in love with Nigeria's bad side suddenly.

let them broadcast it.
Since the federal Government is unable to step into the sharialands and end this ongoing pedophilia, perhaps BBC will help showcase this festering ulcer in that soured moi moi called Nigeria.
CNN should show it too.
Those kids need to be given a voice

One thing i don't get

Isn't child marriages something thats been in Africa since the beginning of time?

I mean i don't condone it but isn't Child Marriage an African tradition?

I know how much we all love to insult Sharia law(i do too) but they didn't start this, its something that's been in our nation since the beginning of time.
Our ancestors praticed that and they never saw it as a bad thing, we see it as a bad thing now because white people see it as a bad thing.

The Child witches was a Good story and something Nigerians needed to see for us to stop
but this Child marriage is just a waste of time cause i bet you this is not just in the North; if you go anywhere in the South to any village (not the city but villages), you'll see a grownass man married to a child.
Unless that kid was dragged and forced to marry that man then by all mean report that but if she wasn't forced to marry him then what does it matter.

A better story is how a grown ass woman marries a man just because her parents forced her to do so(something that seems to happening in Africa(not just in Nigeria)). That's a better story.

Ifygurl:

One thing i don't get

Isn't child marriages something thats been in Africa since the beginning of time?

I mean i don't condone it but isn't Child Marriage an African tradition?

I know how much we all love to insult Sharia law(i do too) but they didn't start this, its something that's been in our nation since the beginning of time.
Our ancestors praticed that and they never saw it as a bad thing, we see it as a bad thing now because white people see it as a bad thing.

The Child witches was a Good story and something Nigerians needed to see for us to stop
but this Child marriage is just a waste of time cause i bet you this is not just in the North; if you go anywhere in the South to any village (not the city but villages), you'll see a grownass man married to a child.
Unless that kid was dragged and forced to marry that man then by all mean report that but if she wasn't forced to marry him then what does it matter.

A better story is how a grown ass woman marries a man just because her parents forced her to do so(something that seems to happening in Africa(not just in Nigeria)). That's a better story.

This is called the Argument from Tradition and is notoriously a bad argument. On this basis, you could argue for the

1) Inter-tribal hostility and conflicts as most African tribes have had hostile relations with their neighbours for millenia

2) Slavery and the selling of children and captured war victims into slavery.

3) The abandonment of twins in forest to be eaten by wild animals

3) Various forms of bodily mutilations and scarifications

4) Systematic illiteracy and no education as many African village never had a system of formal education before the arrival of Europeans and systematically opposed sending their children to the few school that were created by the Europeans

5) Human sacrifices and cannibalism


6) etc, etc, etc.


Next time you are inclined to make an Argument from Tradition, have the above in mind.

huxley:

This is called the Argument from Tradition and is notoriously a bad argument. On this basis, you could argue for the

1) Inter-tribal hostility and conflicts as most African tribes have had hostile relations with their neighbours for millenia

2) Slavery and the selling of children and captured war victims into slavery.

3) The abandonment of twins in forest to be eaten by wild animals

3) Various forms of bodily mutilations and scarifications

4) Systematic illiteracy and no education as many African village never had a system of formal education before the arrival of Europeans and systematically opposed sending their children to the few school that were created by the Europeans

5) Human sacrifices and cannibalism


6) etc, etc, etc.


Next time you are inclined to make an Argument from Tradition, have the above in mind.

Okay your talking about African history that WE ALL KNOW IS BAD

Let ask you something (Should Africans follow this Europeans tradition/ ways also)

1.) Racism was started by Europeans (which is still being done by Europeans)

2.) Testing illegal drugs on poorer nations children

3.) Supporting War's just for cheaper Natural resources.

4.) Bombing other nations

5.) Supporting dicators just for cheaper Natural resources,

6.) etc

There are some Shit Europeans are doing, that Africans aren't doing because we believe it's wrong right?

Okay, we believe having a child before you married is a bad thing; Westerners have no problem with that.
Having Abortion
Illegal in Nigeria. Westerners have been calling us names just because we believe hate Abortion

And Abortion is a eqvialent to number 2 on your list.
I had to do a research on it and the way those children are killed and the pain behind is basically the same kind of pain a child will recieve when a lion eat him/her.

Don't get me wrong; I hate child marriages but like i said before it's a waste of time reporting about that.
Cause you know damn well our government will not do anything to stop it.

And by the way about the illiteracy. you really need to learn African history before saying that.
Africans parents refused for their children to learn ABOUT EUROPEAN HISTORY OR WAY OF LIFE but parents thought their children African history and the way of life.
Your basically using the same logic Europeans are using to condemn Timbuktu
Ever heard of it?
It's an ancient African library and university in Mali. Had many philosophers that studied day and night about everything, the only reason Europeans condemn Timbuktu philosophers is because the philosophers studied things the Islamic way. And the philosophers refused to study or learn anything about European.
Your basically using the same logic europeans use (If it isn't about Europeans teaching then it's not a real education right?)

I condemn Child marriages but like i said before it's still a waste of time doing it unless the kid was forced into that marriage (by all means report that i'll love to learn about that). If a kid wasn't forced into it but is complaining about her marriage (Again report that, i'll love to hear about it) but if a kid isn't complaining and wasn't forced to marry some old guy (then that's not something to report right?)

I guess we should also report Nigerian men doing polygamy (When is that going to be on CNN or BBC or whatever).

Basically, if you are going to be consistent in your argument, then you should be able to defend all of the point I made based on tradition. I was simply trying to draw your attention to the fact that Arguments from Traditions are a logical fallacy. Arguments should be based on reason as far as it is possible (or exclusively on reason).

Ifygurl:

Okay your talking about African history that WE ALL KNOW IS BAD

Let ask you something (Should Africans follow this Europeans tradition/ ways also)

1.) Racism was started by Europeans (which is still being done by Europeans)

2.) Testing illegal drugs on poorer nations children

3.) Supporting War's just for cheaper Natural resources.

4.) Bombing other nations

5.) Supporting dicators just for cheaper Natural resources,

6.) etc

You are committing another logical fallacy here. Who is defending such objectionable acts? Whether they are committed by Africans, Europeans or Japaneses, they are heinous in their own right.

By the way, I think your facts are not right. All peoples on the planet have practices racism, tribalism, xenophobia and sectarianism. For instance, look at the situation in Nigeria today with its wide diversity of tribal groups and the traditional hostility that exists amongst them. Was this introduced by Europeans? As a country today, civil governance it crippled by these racial and tribal problems.

Like I said, most of human history we have had bad relations with other peoples and groups. The slow opening up of the world, essentially through travel, modern technology, etc have opened our eyes to the common humanity we share. Nearly all of the legislative measure (such as Conventions for human rights and human rights policies and laws, Geneva Convention for War, etc, etc) are the brainchild of essentially European societies. This is not to say that European society is flawless, but it is at the forefront of tackling most of the issues that assail us as humans.

Ifygurl:


There are some Shit Europeans are doing, that Africans aren't doing because we believe it's wrong right?

Okay, we believe having a child before you married is a bad thing; Westerners have no problem with that.
Having Abortion
Illegal in Nigeria. Westerners have been calling us names just because we believe hate Abortion


And Abortion is a eqvialent to number 2 on your list.
I had to do a research on it and the way those children are killed and the pain behind is basically the same kind of pain a child will recieve when a lion eat him/her.

Under what conditions is abortion wrong? And under what conditions can it be justified?


Supposing your were pregnant and during your routine scan it was discovered that:

1) That the pregnancy posed a very high risk to your health.

2) That the feotus was severely deformed so as to not lead a "normal" life

3) The pregnancy was the result of a brutal and violent rape.


Doo you think abortion would be wise in any of the above situations?

Ifygurl:

Don't get me wrong; I hate child marriages but like i said before it's a waste of time reporting about that.
Cause you know damn well our government will not do anything to stop it.

And by the way about the illiteracy. you really need to learn African history before saying that.
Africans parents refused for their children to learn ABOUT EUROPEAN HISTORY OR WAY OF LIFE but parents thought their children African history and the way of life.
Your basically using the same logic Europeans are using to condemn Timbuktu
Ever heard of it?
It's an ancient African library and university in Mali. Had many philosophers that studied day and night about everything, the only reason Europeans condemn Timbuktu philosophers is because the philosophers studied things the Islamic way. And the philosophers refused to study or learn anything about European.
Your basically using the same logic europeans use (If it isn't about Europeans teaching then it's not a real education right?)

I condemn Child marriages but like i said before it's still a waste of time doing it unless the kid was forced into that marriage (by all means report that i'll love to learn about that). If a kid wasn't forced into it but is complaining about her marriage (Again report that, i'll love to hear about it) but if a kid isn't complaining and wasn't forced to marry some old guy (then that's not something to report right?)

I guess we should also report Nigerian men doing polygamy (When is that going to be on CNN or BBC or whatever).

Most human societies advance by culturally inter-relating with other societies. Cultural isolation only leads to stagnation in all forms of life. Many parts of Northern Africa have been open to waves of human movement from the Middle East and Europe for many centuries. As such, societies in these regions benefited from these cross-cultural fertilisation - Europeans, Arabs and Africans learning and developing together.

The African in these area would have learnt new ways of doing things and incorporated them into their cultures, as much as the Europeans and Arabs would have. The learning at Timbuktu was a case in point. It was probably establish by Africans who had been influenced by the Islamic cultures of regions further north, although there might have been a tradition of such formal learning prior to the Islamic influence. If there were any indegenous African form of formal learning (as in schools, etc) that fact may now be lost in history. So for all intend and purposes, it could be argued that the centre at Timbuktu was not traditionally African but arose out of the contact between African culture and Arabian cultures.

Do you know of any form of formal learning in traditional Nigerian society prior to the arrival of Europeans and Arabs?

huxley:

By the way, I think your facts are not right. All peoples on the planet have practices racism, tribalism, xenophobia and sectarianism. For instance, look at the situation in Nigeria today with its wide diversity of tribal groups and the traditional hostility that exists amongst them. Was this introduced by Europeans? As a country today, civil governance it crippled by these racial and tribal problems.

Racism and Trabilism is different. Just like Sexism, Racism, and Trabilism are different things

Racism -- Hating someone from a different race started in Europe (by Europeans)

Trabilism -- Hating someone from a different tribe started in Africa (by Africans).

Trabilism was introduced to the whole world by i don't know Africans (seeing that we are the most trabilist contient in the world).

Racism was introduced to the whole world by Europeans.

Lets take South Africa and Zimbabwe for example (labeled one of the most racist nation in Africa).
When Europeans came to region we know as South Africa and Zimbabwe; the natives of those region welcomed them with an open hand. When Europeans tried to take over by killing the natives, what happened. The Natives started having a negative feelings towards european and started fighting and killing European (Hence the Zulu and Britian war).
After Apartheid in South Africa and White rules in Zimbabwe, the natives of both nation have a hateful feelings towards any one that isn't black.

Like i said before European spread Racism to the world.
Africans spread Trabilism to the world.

Racism and Trabilism is a form of discrimination (yes) but they are still 2 different things.

huxley:

Supposing your were pregnant and during your routine scan it was discovered that:

1) That the pregnancy posed a very high risk to your health.

2) That the feotus was severely deformed so as to not lead a "normal" life

3) The pregnancy was the result of a brutal and violent rape.


Doo you think abortion would be wise in any of the above situations?

For the first two. Then Yes Abortion is wise for those two.

For the last one, i'll Sympathies with the rape girl
Will i agree for the Abortion from that girl? No i wouldn't
Will i allow her to do it even though i'm against it? Yes I will

Do you even know how painful Abortion is for those fetus? Try having a lion chew at your head for 8 hours; multiply that pain 10 times that how painful abortion is for the fetus.

The First two is a Yes.
The Last one is a Yes and a No.

huxley:

Most human societies advance by culturally inter-relating with other societies. Cultural isolation only leads to stagnation in all forms of life. Many parts of Northern Africa have been open to waves of human movement from the Middle East and Europe for many centuries. As such, societies in these regions benefited from these cross-cultural fertilisation - Europeans, Arabs and Africans learning and developing together.

The African in these area would have learnt new ways of doing things and incorporated them into their cultures, as much as the Europeans and Arabs would have. The learning at Timbuktu was a case in point. It was probably establish by Africans who had been influenced by the Islamic cultures of regions further north, although there might have been a tradition of such formal learning prior to the Islamic influence. If there were any indegenous African form of formal learning (as in schools, etc) that fact may now be lost in history. So for all intend and purposes, it could be argued that the centre at Timbuktu was not traditionally African but arose out of the contact between African culture and Arabian cultures.

Do you know of any form of formal learning in traditional Nigerian society prior to the arrival of Europeans and Arabs?

I've been know that. Most Human societies advance after some culture crosses.

But there were Societies that advanced even withour cross-cultural fertilisation (For example: Chinese Philosophers).

Timbukutu like you said did have numerous of Islamic teaching.

As For Nigeria.

Igbo tribe of Nigeria had it's way of teaching students(young children mostly men) about ancient igbo Math called Mkpisi and Okwe.
Mkpisi and Okwe was used for counting, measurement and much more.
Igbo tribe also taught the men above Constellations
Which they used to farm (understanding the moon, sun, etc helped the Igbo farmers learn how mother nature will help them during the farming season).
It was a tiny small school (only made for men, not women).

Why did you think Igbo tribe of Nigeria was among the African tribe labeled to have civilization prior to colonization.
They had a banking system which they used Mkpisi to keep up with.
Settled their own law matters using mediator(something that was suppose to be invented by Ancient Greece) but yet Igbo tribe was also among the people labeled to pratice this act.
Most Igbo nation had quasi-democratic republican system except Ontisha, Nri Kingdom and Arochukwu which had Kings
Had Nri kingdom(a medival Nigerian state also one of the first medival cities in Nigeria)

You can learn about this in (Book)
Pre-colonial economic history of Nigeria


I'm not sure but i also think Yoruba's had a teaching. I know they were also labeled a African tribe with a civilzation prior to colonization.
Haven't studied about Yoruba's yet though so i'm not sure about that.

I'm not sure but i also think Yoruba's had a teaching. I know they were also labeled a African tribe with a civilzation prior to colonization.
Haven't studied about Yoruba's yet though so i'm not sure about that.

here we go, the ethnocentrists strike again

Ifygurl:

One thing i don't get

Isn't child marriages something thats been in Africa since the beginning of time?

I mean i don't condone it but isn't Child Marriage an African tradition?

I know how much we all love to insult Sharia law(i do too) but they didn't start this, its something that's been in our nation since the beginning of time.
Our ancestors praticed that and they never saw it as a bad thing, we see it as a bad thing now because white people see it as a bad thing.

In this time and age we do not need Westerners to tell us if child marriages are bad. For God's sake we are not illiterates. Going by your logic, we shouldn't have given any mind to Mary Slessor who stopped the killing of twins in Calabar, because she was a white woman?
Let's call a spade a spade. Child marriages are bad. Using the tradition line, is just trying to douse the criminality involved in this issue.
Have you put it into consideration what future prospects these child wives have?

The Child witches was a Good story and something Nigerians needed to see for us to stop
but this Child marriage is just a waste of time cause i bet you this is not just in the North; if you go anywhere in the South to any village (not the city but villages), you'll see a grownass man married to a child.
Unless that kid was dragged and forced to marry that man then by all mean report that but if she wasn't forced to marry him then what does it matter.

so ignorant. even the pathetic attempt to justify it didn't make sense.
it's okay because it's not just in the north? .

H2O2:

so ignorant. even the pathetic attempt to justify it didn't make sense.
it's okay because it's not just in the north? .

I said i don't like the thing but i still think it's a waste of time doing a video about it.
Jeez so just because i don't think like you guys when it comes to Child marriages so i'm ignorant.
Well Ignorant or not, i'll still think it's a waste of time. Thank You very much.

Ifygurl:

I said i don't like the thing but i still think it's a waste of time doing a video about it.
Jeez so just because i don't think like you guys when it comes to Child marriages so i'm ignorant.
Well Ignorant or not, i'll still think it's a waste of time. Thank You very much.

i agree with you. child marriage is deep traditionally and religiously. islam supports child marriage so how do u stop it? it is a waste of time showing what cannot be changed. the federal government of nigeria is powerless to stop child marriages.

tangent:

i agree with you. child marriage is deep traditionally and religiously. islam supports child marriage so how do u stop it? it is a waste of time showing what cannot be changed. the federal government of nigeria is powerless to stop child marriages.

It is definitely not a waste of time. A lot of people don't know child marriages are actually bound by law in Nigeria
Documentaries like this enlightens people and exposes the ills in the society which stirs up debate. Are you not tired of sweeping dust under the carpets, because our government is powerless? NGO's can be set up just for this cause, we don't really have to wait for the diseased government. Would you consider it a waste of time if you were given off to marriage at an early age?

stillwater:

It is definitely not a waste of time. A lot of people don't know child marriages are actually bound by law in Nigeria
Documentaries like this enlightens people and exposes the ills in the society which stirs up debate. Are you not tired of sweeping dust under the carpets, because our government is powerless? NGO's can be set up just for this cause, we don't really have to wait for the diseased government. Would you consider it a waste of time if you were given off to marriage at an early age?

i am anxious to see how ngo's will re-write the Holy Quaran by stopping child marriage. it is deeply rooted. it's like saying ngo's should abolish polygamy in nigeria because it abuses women. it's a joke. no age limits have been fixed by Islam for marriage.

@kenezi
UK media is currently in love with negatives from far and wide because of the current economic condition. All the major British TV stations are currently running different programmes about any negative thing they can find around the world.
This will help their people forget (or keep to the background) about their own problems and make them feel good that they are better than other nations anyway.

This is not the kind of time that they'll report on the activities of their young people abroad getting involved in drunkenness and obscenities and getting into all kinds of horrible acts all around the world. They'll only report such if one of their citizens was arrested for being bad and then, they'll put a spin on it and tell you how bad the justice system in that other country is (except if it's America)

JustGood:


This is not the kind of time that they'll report on the activities of their young people abroad getting involved in drunkenness and obscenities and getting into all kinds of horrible acts all around the world. They'll only report such if one of their citizens was arrested for being bad and then, they'll put a spin on it and tell you how bad the justice system in that other country is (except if it's America)

u have hit the nail on the head, bro. they are so blind to their own drunkeness, casual sex, thuggery, violence and drug abuse.

Ifygurl:

One thing i don't get

Isn't child marriages something thats been in Africa since the beginning of time?

I mean i don't condone it but isn't Child Marriage an African tradition?

I know how much we all love to insult Sharia law(i do too) but they didn't start this, its something that's been in our nation since the beginning of time.
Our ancestors praticed that and they never saw it as a bad thing, we see it as a bad thing now because white people see it as a bad thing.

The Child witches was a Good story and something Nigerians needed to see for us to stop
but this Child marriage is just a waste of time cause i bet you this is not just in the North; if you go anywhere in the South to any village (not the city but villages), you'll see a grownass man married to a child.
Unless that kid was dragged and forced to marry that man then by all mean report that but if she wasn't forced to marry him then what does it matter.

A better story is how a grown ass woman marries a man just because her parents forced her to do so(something that seems to happening in Africa(not just in Nigeria)). That's a better story.

did a  grown female really write this?
In northern Nigeria and some areas of cross river state,we have tons of young girls,some as young as 10 leaking feces and urine continuosly due to vvf,ostracised by soceity and the same white people you talk about have left the comforts of earning 6 figure incomes in the west to volunteer their resources to repair this ill brought on by child marriage and you call a campaign against it a waste of time?
Breast feeding you was a waste of time.
You need an education.

tangent:

u have hit the nail on the head, bro. they are so blind to their own drunkeness, casual sex, thuggery, violence and drug abuse.

Big difference if the cruelty is meted on children by adults.
Let them say it for all to hear.
We've covered our scrapes long enough,and now they've become festering ulcers.
If the shame and bad publicity will make our government get mad and do something about these ills.I'm all for it.
There's a bill already condemning  and outlawing  " the witch children of akwa Ibom".
The publicity works.

*osisi:

Big difference if the cruelty is meted on children by adults.
Let them say it for all to hear.
We've covered our scrapes long enough,and now they've become festering ulcers.
If the shame and bad publicity will make our government get mad and do something about these ills.I'm all for it.
There's a bill already condemning  and outlawing  " the witch children of akwa Ibom".
The publicity works.

let us hope it alleviates poverty while they are it. people are hungry and we r focusing on child witches. the last before the first in my opinion.

tangent:

let us hope it alleviates poverty while they are it. people are hungry and we r focusing on child witches. the last before the first in my opinion.

I don't quite understand you
are you saying the media ought to focus on the hunger problem than reporting the "child witches issue"
Or the govenment
or the people on nairaland?
or does your "we" refer to the witch hunters?

*osisi:

I don't quite understand you
are you saying the media ought to focus on the hunger problem than reporting the "child witches issue"
Or the govenment
or the people on nairaland?
or does your "we" refer to the witch hunters?

the only reason africans are still tied to these old beliefs/traditions is poverty and idleness. when people are jobless with nothing to do they tend to perpetrate evil. this is why people in the town/cities don't have to worry about it. put food on their table and these things would be abolished.

tangent:

i am anxious to see how ngo's will re-write the Holy Quaran by stopping child marriage. it is deeply rooted. it's like saying ngo's should abolish polygamy in nigeria because it abuses women. it's a joke. no age limits have been fixed by Islam for marriage.

I used to consider polygamy as an abuse to women but I've seen so called educated women who ought to know better involved in polygamy. These women are adults with choices. Most weren't forced to be second wives. They do not consider it as abuse. But the issue here is children. What future propects do these kids have apart from being breeding machines in this time and age where education is necessary? And then you wonder why they are poor?

tangent:

the only reason africans are still tied to these old beliefs/traditions is poverty and idleness. when people are jobless with nothing to do they tend to perpetrate evil. this is why people in the town/cities don't have to worry about it. put food on their table and these things would be abolished.

lame excuses. sexism and child abuse won't go away just because people have jobs

Paedophiles that should be castrated hiding under the guise of tradition

*osisi:

did a  grown female really write this?
In northern Nigeria and some areas of cross river state,we have tons of young girls,some as young as 10 leaking feces and urine continuosly due to vvf,ostracised by soceity and the same white people you talk about have left the comforts of earning 6 figure incomes in the west to volunteer their resources to repair this ill brought on by child marriage and you call a campaign against it a waste of time?
Breast feeding you was a waste of time.
You need an education.

YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN. This to you, is how much you hate the North.
You and DeepZone have the same attitude.
Have you looked at all your recent topics and comments?
And by the way i'm 18 years old idiot AND I DO HAVE AN EDUCATION (I'm a freshman in college).

Out of curosity if the West really care about African children
Why the hell didn't they report about Pzier company using NIGERIAN children to test ILLEGAL drugs during a malaria epdemic in the North.
Almost all the kids in that drug-test died from that drug and the ones that suvived where left Brain dead from that drug testing.
That deserved a documentary too

I wonder child marriages or illegal drug test on children?  Which one is a better story?
If the West cares so much about how Nigerian children are.

Out of curoristy

well what has to shown on air has to be shown on air.

Nigeria has its issues but the Western world forgets that their kids have sex early without needind the consent of their parents.

I might film my own programme titled "A Tale of Morals gone lost" The western example, 

Seriously, they need to stop this child marrying thing in nigeria its really silly and for a country like ours we can do better than making children go through this hell. i feel bad for alot of them. this people that encourage marriages should be smacked senseless. its stupid and shameful.